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Different perspective. ...

Which QB prospects in this draft do you think will be/should be at least as good as pre-injury Schaub?
 
As a rookie? Only Goff and Wentz have a chance their first year imo
 
I'd add Connor Cook, Paxton Lynch, and Christian Hackenberg to the list, after a couple years of development. Alot also depends on what team drafts them and what kind of coaching they get.
 
I know people are going to crap on him but pre-injury Schaub was pretty good. 2009 - 67% completion 4700 yards 29 TD 15 INT.
I think Cook just because he'll end up at a better team since he won't be one of the first few QBs taken.
 
Different perspective. ...

Which QB prospects in this draft do you think will be/should be at least as good as pre-injury Schaub?

Cook, from day 1. & I think it's highly likely he'll be a "Good Schaub" type QB.

There's a lot of things to like about Goff. & Lynch looks like Carson Palmer to me. In both cases, I think a HC/OC who will tailor his offense around them can be successful, at least good Schaub. I'll add Dak Prescott to this list as well.

I still like Hogan, I think he can play "Schaub like"

Those are the guys I think have a high probability of playing at that level. I can understand people thinking Goff & Lynch having higher upside. But I think the likely hood of them reaching that higher upside is less likely than Cook being as good as Schaub. I think it's the difference between a head shot & center mass. & I'm perfectly fine taking the "sure thing" I liked Schaub, kinda. I think if he were a little more clutch, he'd have been a lot more successful. I'm hoping Cook can be "a little more clutch."

But throwing for 4000 yards in a losing season, like Carr & Bortles did.... yeah, I think Cook can do that. Throwing for 4000 yards in a winning season, yeah. I think Cook can do that.

Then there are your head shots at 1000 yards.... Brissett. Dude can be really special. Coker, I just haven't seen a lot from him. Hackenberg, I still like my QB to perform better on a bad team (see Tj Yates, see Jay Cutler, see Tom Savage). I don't know what the difference was that made Jay Cutler a 1st round pick (a trade up to get him first round pick) & Yates & Savage were third day picks, other than the other QBs available in that draft class.

Wentz... everything I said about every QB here so far depends on the QB going to "the right team." Even more so for Wentz. IMO. The chances for him to get to Schaub level is good, but not great. Looks like his college career was even better than Roethlisberger's. & he's way more athletic. But Roethlisberger went to a team that had a very strong defense, a very strong running game, & a tradition of winning. Wentz going to Cleveland isn't going to end well. Going to Dallas..... St Louis... more likely to succeed. Jets.... eh... if he were to go to Minnesota (I know he's not, just using Minnesota as an example) then yeah, no doubt he could be like Schaub. The later he goes in the draft, the more likely he is to succeed, imo.
 
Cook, from day 1. & I think it's highly likely he'll be a "Good Schaub" type QB.

There's a lot of things to like about Goff. & Lynch looks like Carson Palmer to me. In both cases, I think a HC/OC who will tailor his offense around them can be successful, at least good Schaub. I'll add Dak Prescott to this list as well.

I still like Hogan, I think he can play "Schaub like"

Those are the guys I think have a high probability of playing at that level. I can understand people thinking Goff & Lynch having higher upside. But I think the likely hood of them reaching that higher upside is less likely than Cook being as good as Schaub. I think it's the difference between a head shot & center mass. & I'm perfectly fine taking the "sure thing" I liked Schaub, kinda. I think if he were a little more clutch, he'd have been a lot more successful. I'm hoping Cook can be "a little more clutch."

But throwing for 4000 yards in a losing season, like Carr & Bortles did.... yeah, I think Cook can do that. Throwing for 4000 yards in a winning season, yeah. I think Cook can do that.

Then there are your head shots at 1000 yards.... Brissett. Dude can be really special. Coker, I just haven't seen a lot from him. Hackenberg, I still like my QB to perform better on a bad team (see Tj Yates, see Jay Cutler, see Tom Savage). I don't know what the difference was that made Jay Cutler a 1st round pick (a trade up to get him first round pick) & Yates & Savage were third day picks, other than the other QBs available in that draft class.

Wentz... everything I said about every QB here so far depends on the QB going to "the right team." Even more so for Wentz. IMO. The chances for him to get to Schaub level is good, but not great. Looks like his college career was even better than Roethlisberger's. & he's way more athletic. But Roethlisberger went to a team that had a very strong defense, a very strong running game, & a tradition of winning. Wentz going to Cleveland isn't going to end well. Going to Dallas..... St Louis... more likely to succeed. Jets.... eh... if he were to go to Minnesota (I know he's not, just using Minnesota as an example) then yeah, no doubt he could be like Schaub. The later he goes in the draft, the more likely he is to succeed, imo.

Good post TK! Well thought out.

I have to agree about Wentz, or whoever has the misfortune to go to Cleveland, but there could be hope with the hiring of Hue Jackson.
 
How did these conclusions come about?

Cook will be Schaub-like from day 1
Lynch looks like Carson Palmer
Cook is a more 'sure thing' pick than Goff
Wentz going to Cleveland is any more detrimental to him than any other QB going to Cleveland
 
How did these conclusions come about?

Cook will be Schaub-like from day 1

That's just the way I see it. I understand everyone's concern about his accuracy, but like I said before, when I watch him I don't see balls that are way off. An actual accuracy issue. I see balls that miss by a little, dropped, or thrown away. I like his arm, I've seen the 10~15 yard out patterns thrown on a rope... or on a rope-ish. I like his ball placement. I like his decision making. & I like how he's played some of the toughest teams in college football over the last three years.

Lynch looks like Carson Palmer

Probably can't explain this one. I know there's plenty of stuff showing him running around & making plays, but there's a lot of stuff of him standing tall in the pocket making some big time throws. Just watching him, Carson Palmer comes to mind.

Cook is a more 'sure thing' pick than Goff

I don't think that's what I said. I said it's more likely that Cook will be an above average NFL QB than Goff will be elite. I'm conceding Goff has the higher ceiling, but I also believe he has a lower floor. IMO, Cook is NFL ready. Goff isn't. He might start right away, like Marcus Mariota. But I don't think he was ready. His coach found what he did well & designed his offense around him. Same in Oakland.

To me, Cook is Bridgewater, Goff is Bortles.

Wentz going to Cleveland is any more detrimental to him than any other QB going to Cleveland

Again, not what I said. Anyone going to Cleveland will soon be forgotten. I'd like to see a strong team around Wentz before I'd put him on the field. A strong team like Roethlisberger had in Pittsburgh, or Flacco in Baltimore. Without that, I'd rather sit him for a while... two years maybe, depending on how he does in camp & the preseason... I'd find ways to get him in at the end of games, or in blow outs... like Steve McNair.
 
why would we even consider pre-injury Schwab? don't we want something completely different/better?
Because if nothing better is available, pre-injury Schaub is still a drastic improvement over where things are right now.

Since you seem to have an issue with the concept, who do you feel will be both obtainable, and better than pre-injury Schaub?
 
That's just the way I see it. I understand everyone's concern about his accuracy, but like I said before, when I watch him I don't see balls that are way off. An actual accuracy issue. I see balls that miss by a little, dropped, or thrown away. I like his arm, I've seen the 10~15 yard out patterns thrown on a rope... or on a rope-ish. I like his ball placement. I like his decision making. & I like how he's played some of the toughest teams in college football over the last three years.

Simply going to have to agree to disagree here. Cook's accuracy issues are well observed by many. I don't see how anything beyond that is anything other than seeing what you want to see. But ok.

Probably can't explain this one. I know there's plenty of stuff showing him running around & making plays, but there's a lot of stuff of him standing tall in the pocket making some big time throws. Just watching him, Carson Palmer comes to mind.

I've yet to see Lynch whatsoever actually quarterback anything like Palmer, ie pre-snap reads, progressions, and anticipation throws. But yes, he is tall much like Palmer and he has a rifle.

I don't think that's what I said. I said it's more likely that Cook will be an above average NFL QB than Goff will be elite. I'm conceding Goff has the higher ceiling, but I also believe he has a lower floor. IMO, Cook is NFL ready. Goff isn't. He might start right away, like Marcus Mariota. But I don't think he was ready. His coach found what he did well & designed his offense around him. Same in Oakland.

To me, Cook is Bridgewater, Goff is Bortles.

Goff can be every bit as above average as Cook can. Otherwise you're just trying to predict them on different scales. Most any player in the league has a better shot at being above average than another guy has of being elite. C'mon. I think you're also really underestimating how much Goff did from the neck up and the next level throws he made at Cal. That stuff is all on display and all indicates readiness. I actually don't know where you're getting at all that Goff has a lower floor.

Again, not what I said. Anyone going to Cleveland will soon be forgotten. I'd like to see a strong team around Wentz before I'd put him on the field. A strong team like Roethlisberger had in Pittsburgh, or Flacco in Baltimore. Without that, I'd rather sit him for a while... two years maybe, depending on how he does in camp & the preseason... I'd find ways to get him in at the end of games, or in blow outs... like Steve McNair.

You said ...
everything I said about every QB here so far depends on the QB going to "the right team." Even more so for Wentz.

which you're entitled to believe of course, but two years may be a stretch as he's already shown to blend in completely with bigger school guys at the Senior Bowl and check all the requisite intangible boxes to not be so overwhelmed as to need to be coddled till 2018. Not more so anyway than other QB's. So yes, they could all use talent around them, including Wentz, but I still don't see how he needs it any more than anyone else. Certainly not when watching his tools, poise, and composure during games and handling himself around media.
 
...but two years may be a stretch as he's already shown to blend in completely with bigger school guys at the Senior Bowl and check all the requisite intangible boxes to not be so overwhelmed as to need to be coddled till 2018. Not more so anyway than other QB's. So yes, they could all use talent around them, including Wentz, but I still don't see how he needs it any more than anyone else. Certainly not when watching his tools, poise, and composure during games and handling himself around media.

Yes, two years may be a stretch. It might be six months for all I know. Which is why I threw in there, depending on how he does in camp, the preseason, & spot duty during the regular season. I think his mechanics & command of an offense are very good. I'm still concerned about the speed & level of competition. Maybe he's ready... I don't know. The Senior Bowl didn't sell me that he is.

I like Cook. But by no means do I mean to imply he is the only QB I'd be happy with. I'd much rather the Texans demonstrate their "belief" in a guy by trading up to get him. For personal reasons that most people won't understand. If they go up & get Wentz, I'm thrilled. If they go up & get Lynch, I'm ecstatic. If they go up & get Goff... I'm elated.

However, if I were running the team, I'm staying pat. I think Connor Cook is the bees knees.

If the Texans stay put & take Cook at 22 of course I'll be extremely optimistic about the Texans future.

If they wait & get a QB in the 2nd, doesn't matter to me whether it's Cook, Prescott, or Hack I'm still happy because we've got a talented young prospect & in my mind not "married" to him.

If we wait till the 4th or later & get a guy like Hogan... I'm still happy. Not as happy, since they haven't started talking up Tom Savage just yet. But happy.
 
Because if nothing better is available, pre-injury Schaub is still a drastic improvement over where things are right now.

Since you seem to have an issue with the concept, who do you feel will be both obtainable, and better than pre-injury Schaub?

Ever heard of Vernon Adams? I would take him & let him run the offensive, using a better more accurate arm & athletic ability to extend plays. Really not that hard.
 
Both - as a rookie and long tern.

Well, Schaub started one game his rookie year, played in 6 throwing 1 TD and 4 interceptions. So there's a number of draft prospects that can come in and do that for you.

Long term, Schaub's career completion % is 64 which is actually pretty good. Goff completed 64.5% in 2015, Wentz was 62.5%. Prescott and Lynch were both over 66%. Hackenberg's best in that category was in 2013, 58.9%. For that reason alone, the fact Hackenberg has struggled with accuracy, even though Penn was 6th in red zone scoring, I'm taking Hackenberg out of the running. Cook was even worse in completion percentage, 56.1. And, at one point in the season Michigan St. was 102 out of 123 FBS teams in passing and they didn't even finish in the top 50 in offense red zone effeciency. He's out too.

So I'm going Goff, Wentz, Prescott and Lynch as best potentials to match or exceed Schaub's "legacy" as top passer in Texans history.
 
Ever heard of Vernon Adams? I would take him & let him run the offensive, using a better more accurate arm & athletic ability to extend plays. Really not that hard.

Oregon. They were 70th in converting 3rd downs and 52nd in red zone offense. Adams is a 5'11'' one year starter who is expected to go in the 6th round or UDFA. Have no issue taking a flyer on him in free agency but the Texans already have a guy like him, BJ Daniels.
 
Rookie year none will be same as 2008-2012 Schaub. In long run, Coker, Goff, Wenz and probably Lynch. Not all may reach the pinnacle at same time.
 
Are we talking numbers wise? Or just from a talent standpoint?

Because talent/ability wise I think that quite a few of these guys could get to that level or beyond, but the thing with Schaub is that, IMO, he benefited a whole lot from having Kubiak and his offense. Of course he was good in his own right. But this is part of the issue I think with comparing QB's.

Some guys you can just look at play and know they'd be great anywhere...The great players...

And then some guys you look at and wonder if they'd be better in a different system with different coaching of if the system enhances them a bit more than what they actually were. I think this is where you are going to find the most grey area.

I think the offense that OB wants to run puts a lot more on the QB than what Kubiak's did. But I think it also allows the QB to do more. Plusses and minuses with both.

But just from a pure talent standpoint I think any of the guys that have been mentioned as 1st rounders can at least be close to pre-injury schaub...Except Hack...I don't know about that guy...Need to watch more of him
 
Schaub in his prime was good enough to win with. He MIGHT singlehandedly win a game or so by himself per season, but he wasn't going to carry any team on his shoulders like a Rodgers for instance. Let's not forget he had a HOF wr as well as Foster, Owen Daniels (i know a pro bowl doesn't mean much but i'd kill for Te production right now) ,and a solid offensive line for a good chunk of his time here.

Cook, Hack, and whomever else may very well have schaub like potential, but we don't have the supporting cast now Schaub had. Do i want another Schaub? No. I want Peyton Manning in his prime ,but after the bio-hazard crap we've seen at qb the last few years i'd SETTLE for Schaub.

If they wait & get a QB in the 2nd, doesn't matter to me whether it's Cook, Prescott, or Hack I'm still happy because we've got a talented young prospect & in my mind not "married" to him.

Kinda curious about the "married" comment. If we draft hack or cook in the first round are we more married to him then if we drafted the same qb in the second round? I understand it's a bigger investment but we should give a guy every opportunity to succeed no matter where we draft him. We shouldn't have a bigger obligation to anyone because they were drafted in the first round. They either produce or they don't and that should be the bottom line.
 
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If they wait & get a QB in the 2nd, doesn't matter to me whether it's Cook, Prescott, or Hack I'm still happy because we've got a talented young prospect & in my mind not "married" to him.

With the implementation of the rookie wage scale nobody is married anymore.

Bud Dupree - last year's #22 is making $2.3 mil per year.
 
With the implementation of the rookie wage scale nobody is married anymore.

Bud Dupree - last year's #22 is making $2.3 mil per year.
And of course just in the last four drafts, there are two examples of QB's taken at #22 and being released after two seasons. (Well, okay, technically there's only one example of it right now, but give it a few weeks.)
 
Are we talking numbers wise? Or just from a talent standpoint?

Because talent/ability wise I think that quite a few of these guys could get to that level or beyond, but the thing with Schaub is that, IMO, he benefited a whole lot from having Kubiak and his offense. Of course he was good in his own right. But this is part of the issue I think with comparing QB's.

Some guys you can just look at play and know they'd be great anywhere...The great players...

And then some guys you look at and wonder if they'd be better in a different system with different coaching of if the system enhances them a bit more than what they actually were. I think this is where you are going to find the most grey area.

I think the offense that OB wants to run puts a lot more on the QB than what Kubiak's did. But I think it also allows the QB to do more. Plusses and minuses with both.

But just from a pure talent standpoint I think any of the guys that have been mentioned as 1st rounders can at least be close to pre-injury schaub...Except Hack...I don't know about that guy...Need to watch more of him

More or less I agree. I think Peyton would have been Peyton regardless. But had he gone to McCarty's Packers, he'd have won 12 Championships.

But guys like Stafford & Rodgers I think are more interchangeable. By that I mean Stafford would have won a Super Bowl & the Lions would have had two winning seasons.

Tom Brady wouldn't be a footnote in NFL history had he been drafted by the Bucaneers, & no one would know Russell Wilson had he been drafted by Rick Smith.

At the same time kudos for them, coaches, GMs, players, for making the most out of their situations. No disrespect intended to any of them.
 
And of course just in the last four drafts, there are two examples of QB's taken at #22 and being released after two seasons. (Well, okay, technically there's only one example of it right now, but give it a few weeks.)

Who is the first?

I'm thinking guys like Ej Manual & Geno Smith. Those teams have "kinda" moved on. They've done everything to find a new starter short of drafting one.

Had they been high first round picks, they'd still be on the field trying to figure it out.
 
Who is the first?

I'm thinking guys like Ej Manual & Geno Smith. Those teams have "kinda" moved on. They've done everything to find a new starter short of drafting one.

Had they been high first round picks, they'd still be on the field trying to figure it out.

Like Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Robert Griffin? Fact is teams find it much easier to move on now.
 
More or less I agree. I think Peyton would have been Peyton regardless. But had he gone to McCarty's Packers, he'd have won 12 Championships.

But guys like Stafford & Rodgers I think are more interchangeable. By that I mean Stafford would have won a Super Bowl & the Lions would have had two winning seasons.

Tom Brady wouldn't be a footnote in NFL history had he been drafted by the Bucaneers, & no one would know Russell Wilson had he been drafted by Rick Smith.

At the same time kudos for them, coaches, GMs, players, for making the most out of their situations. No disrespect intended to any of them.

I totally disagree about Rodgers and Stafford, but I get your point
 
Who is the first?

I'm thinking guys like Ej Manual & Geno Smith. Those teams have "kinda" moved on. They've done everything to find a new starter short of drafting one.

Had they been high first round picks, they'd still be on the field trying to figure it out.
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Like Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Robert Griffin? Fact is teams find it much easier to move on now.

Shanahan got fired because he was married to RGIII. Grabber & Locker wasted 4 years of their franchise to prove they weren't the guy... married. Everyone eventually moves on, it's how long it takes that is the problem. Had we taken Peppers instead of Carr, we might not have passed on Aaron Rodgers.

Maybe we'd have made a run at Drew Brees instead of wasting $8M for "one more shot"

If he's a high 1st rounder, we're looking for problems on our OLine, our WRs, our RBs... if he's Geno Smith, we're looking at Geno Smith.
 
Shanahan got fired because he was married to RGIII. Grabber & Locker wasted 4 years of their franchise to prove they weren't the guy... married. Everyone eventually moves on, it's how long it takes that is the problem. Had we taken Peppers instead of Carr, we might not have passed on Aaron Rodgers.

Maybe we'd have made a run at Drew Brees instead of wasting $8M for "one more shot"

If he's a high 1st rounder, we're looking for problems on our OLine, our WRs, our RBs... if he's Geno Smith, we're looking at Geno Smith.

It wasn't Shannahan married to RGIII, it was the owner. If Gabbert and Locker would have been drafted by a playoff team instead of being a top 10 pick do you think they still would have gotten 4 years? More than one way to look at it
 
Shanahan got fired because he was married to RGIII. Grabber & Locker wasted 4 years of their franchise to prove they weren't the guy... married. Everyone eventually moves on, it's how long it takes that is the problem. Had we taken Peppers instead of Carr, we might not have passed on Aaron Rodgers.

Maybe we'd have made a run at Drew Brees instead of wasting $8M for "one more shot"

If he's a high 1st rounder, we're looking for problems on our OLine, our WRs, our RBs... if he's Geno Smith, we're looking at Geno Smith.

Shanahan never wanted Griffin. And Gabbert & Locker didn't hamstring their teams any more than Manuel & Smith have. Not in any contractual/cap sense. So no, not married.

But I get it, you're stuck back on this argument again that you want to continuously pass on QB's until an Elway, Manning, or Luck present themselves and it's an absolute no brainer. We can just differ there, I want my team to take a shot at some point. Identify the talent and take a shot. You don't have to stay hitched if you don't want to and in the mean time you don't have to just watch the league continuously go on by. We could have absolutely grabbed Rodgers or signed Brees. That was a problem of foresight, not prior wedding vows.
 
Tom Brady wouldn't be a footnote in NFL history had he been drafted by the Bucaneers,

This is pure nonsense. Brady is a self-made man. He is who he is today because of the lack of respect he got in college and especially the outright disrespect he got as a draft prospect. He lives and breathes to prove people wrong and to make the doubters eat every single criticism they ever threw on him.

Does he have 4 rings instead of 1 or 2 because he plays for the Pats? Very likely. But the guy has Hall of Fame drive and was always determined to be great.
 
But I get it, you're stuck back on this argument again that you want to continuously pass on QB's until an Elway, Manning, or Luck present themselves and it's an absolute no brainer.



Why do you say that? I've previously stated in this thread I'd rather the Texans believe enough in a prospect that they'd be willing to trade up & get one.
 
Why do you say that? I've previously stated in this thread I'd rather the Texans believe enough in a prospect that they'd be willing to trade up & get one.

Because that only stands to contradict the time after time after time that you've made examples of guys that were always available had a team not picked someone that they did. I don't see how you could want the team to go after someone and commit to them to whatever degree when you always seem to be singing a buyer's remorse tune.

Maybe I'm just seeing your larger point wrongly, but it seems a bit cake and eat it too to want to go get a guy but also constantly citing examples of when getting a guy has gone poorly.
 
Because that only stands to contradict the time after time after time that you've made examples of guys that were always available had a team not picked someone that they did. I don't see how you could want the team to go after someone and commit to them to whatever degree when you always seem to be singing a buyer's remorse tune.

Maybe I'm just seeing your larger point wrongly, but it seems a bit cake and eat it too to want to go get a guy but also constantly citing examples of when getting a guy has gone poorly.

You jumped in the middle of a conversation is what happened.

This time I said if we get Cook, Prescott, or someone else in the second we'd have a top QB talent, but wouldn't be married to him.

But if I were in charge I'd take Cook at 22. & marry ourselves to him. But since I couldn't read the Texans intentions by staying pat, I'd rather they show us by moving up to get "their guy."
 
You jumped in the middle of a conversation is what happened.

What I jumped into seemed to be you making the argument that early pick QB's are necessarily anchors to the team drafting them, married. I was pointing out that that isn't so. The fact that you also state that you want the team to make an early commitment is the contradiction I then brought up. If I'm wrong on that then fair enough and my bad.
 
What I jumped into seemed to be you making the argument that early pick QB's are necessarily anchors to the team drafting them, married. I was pointing out that that isn't so. The fact that you also state that you want the team to make an early commitment is the contradiction I then brought up. If I'm wrong on that then fair enough and my bad.

Bad QBs drafted early are anchors.

I want this regime to get behind a young prospect they believe in.
 
After listening to Prescott I'm starting to warm to him.

What I really hope happens is BOB gets his pick of QB's and McNair/Smith dont force one on him for marketing purposes.
 
After listening to Prescott I'm starting to warm to him.

What I really hope happens is BOB gets his pick of QB's and McNair/Smith dont force one on him for marketing purposes.

Kinda like we did with Mallett & Hoyer?

Which QB from this draft would you consider a marketing prop?
 
Kinda like we did with Mallett & Hoyer?

Which QB from this draft would you consider a marketing prop?

Or Carr

Your boy Cook, a clean cut chritain boy (Nothing wrong with that) who lets his parents play a huge role in his decision making ( Alot wrong with that) I question his dedication to be the best QB he can be. (I'm jaded by the David/Roger Carr experience)
 
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I'm not going to read this whole thing, but why on earth would we want a noodle armed, slow as hell, middle of the pack QB? I'd rather have a rocket arm Joe Flacco if I'm out of the top 10 is my goal.
 
I'm not going to read this whole thing, but why on earth would we want a noodle armed, slow as hell, middle of the pack QB? I'd rather have a rocket arm Joe Flacco if I'm out of the top 10 is my goal.

I dont think they are saying they want a QB with Schuabs attributes, but a QB that can at least be as solid as Schaub was for that stretch of time. He was a perennial top 10 QB for quite a few years in a row. I think the notion is if we can get a QB with the same level of production we can be competitive with the team we currently have
 
PFF's Round by Round 2016 QB Rankings.

Our positional rankings kick off with a look at the quarterbacks — perhaps one of the deepest positions in the draft. While the QBs at the top end of the range are not flawless, there are both starters and developmental backups to be found in this draft class. It’s an intriguing group at the bottom range as many of the QBs came into the season with previous warts or little hype, yet they developed just enough in 2015 to possibly warrant a late-round flier.

The NFL has an exclusive club of backup quarterbacks bouncing around the league, but this class may shake things up a bit as there are a number of players who appear best-suited to sit for a few years with hopes of developing into a starter down the road.

Here are the top quarterbacks in the 2016 draft class:

Round 1
  1. Jared Goff, Cal
There’s a lot to like about Goff’s game, from his pocket presence to his game-changing throws under pressure, to his ability to elevate an overmatched Cal team in the Pac-12. He posted the top grade among all quarterbacks in 2015 after ranking eighth in 2014, showing well whether pressured or facing the blitz. He can throw his receivers open with anticipation and creativity, and he’s fearless in making these throws even when getting hit. Goff’s short area accuracy could stand to improve, and his decision-making was questionable at times in 2015, but his overall body of work and three-year progression at Cal are too much to pass up for a QB-needy team at the top of the draft.

  1. Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
One of the biggest stories of the draft, Wentz ticks all of the boxes in the “looks-the-part” department. He’s much more than that though, as we’ve done an initial grading of his 2015 and there’s plenty to like on film as well. His arm strength jumps out as a positive, and he often needs it as his timing in the passing game is not always up to par. His deep comebacks are a thing of beauty, and his entire skillset screams “vertical passing offense.” If put into that type of scheme, Wentz looks like a quarterback that can win a game by pushing the ball down the field, but at this point, he can also lose it for you with questionable decision-making. He has better touch than other quarterbacks that possess his type of arm, though his accuracy wanes at times when using the change up. Wentz’s athleticism is icing on the cake, and it should be an effective tool at the next level. Wentz’s upside is immense, and he’s best-suited to sit and learn before seeing the field, and that proposition will play an important role in his development. There’s some inherent risk with banking on upside, but the combination of current on-field play and the physical skillset may be too much to pass up.

Rounds 2-3
  1. Paxton Lynch, Memphis
The first thing to note about Lynch is his development from two-star high school recruit to NFL prospect as he’s done an impressive job of improving every year since entering college. His +30.5 overall grade ranked seventh in the nation in 2015 as he did a fine job of taking care of the football while flashing the big-time throws you’d like to see from a future NFL quarterback. He’s athletic for 6-foot-7, throwing well on the move (a huge part of Memphis’ offense) and moving the chains as a runner both in the designed game and as a scrambler. The athleticism isn’t a game-changer at the next level, but it certainly won’t hurt. There are some accuracy concerns, particularly at the intermediate level outside the numbers where Lynch posted one of the worst accuracy percentages in the nation. Lynch only averaged 7.9 yards per target — one of the lowest numbers in the nation — so while he has the arm to challenge the intermediate and deep level of the field, he was only asked to do so sparingly at Memphis. He only attempted three passes beyond 40 yards on the season, two of them were well-placed post routes that showed Lynch’s potential. Quarterback stock will always be inflated on draft day, and while Lynch feels more like a second-round prospect, we wouldn’t frown upon his name being called in the first.

Rounds 4-7
  1. Brandon Allen, Arkansas
Size and hand size be damned, Allen put together one of the best second halves in the nation, including two monster games against Ole Miss and Mississippi State. His quick release and intermediate accuracy was on display in those games and he carried that into a strong bowl game and Senior Bowl week. He’s a little too quick to leave the pocket – also on display when he continually tried to scramble during team drills at practice – but the plays he’s made within the scheme are impressive enough to warrant a mid-round pick.

  1. Matt Johnson, Bowling Green
Speaking of size issues, as our own Sam Monson points out, Matt Johnson does everything “wrong” before the snap, but everything after is excellent. He’s too short, he plays in a Baylor-like offense that resembles a teenager playing Madden, and he rarely has to make anything close to an NFL read. But when he throws the ball, magic happens, to the tune of a +53.9 overall grade and the second-highest “big-time throw” total in the nation with 41. His downfield accuracy is breathtaking at times, dropping 40-plus yard bombs into buckets with regularity. Coming from an offense that is 40 percent bombs and screens is not an ideal translation to the NFL, but the term “arm talent” comes to mind when watching Johnson and he’s simply a player we’d like to see in an NFL camp to develop in the coming years.

  1. Brandon Doughty, WKU
Back-to-back years of strong grades put Doughty higher than most, but he’s shown accuracy to all levels of the field. He shows the pocket movement and decision-making to be a capable NFL player, and he led the nation with an accuracy percentage of 81.8 percent while ranking fifth in deep-pass accuracy percentage at 53.1 percent.

  1. Cody Kessler, USC
While the physical tools will never impress, Kessler did a fine job of distributing the ball accurately in 2014, leading to one of the highest passing grades in the nation. Unfortunately, he took a step back in 2015 as he remained one of the nation’s most accurate in the short ranges, but anything over 10 yards was below the national average, and that’s concerning. Kessler’s regression raises questions about whether or not the lack of physical tools caught up to him, but it’s difficult to ignore his 2014 play which rivaled the top QBs in the country. The upside may not be huge for Kessler, though he had the lowest percentage of negative grades of any QB in the country, so there is a skillset to work with at the next level.

  1. Connor Cook, Michigan State
Week-to-week consistency has been an issue for Cook who posted four games “in the red” in 2015, but also had two of the better quarterbacked games we saw all season against Rutgers and Indiana. The potential is there as Cook pushes the ball down the field with a clear conscience, often putting the ball in tight, NFL windows in the 11-30 yard range. He’s less accurate on the short stuff, missing too many throws, particularly when pressured where his accuracy percentage of 53.4 percent ranked 55th in the nation. There are plenty of off-field concerns and rumors surrounding Cook, but if any of that checks out, there is enough to like from his on-field play to warrant a pick for a developmental role.

  1. Trevone Boykin, TCU
The NFL wants Boykin to play wide receiver, but we’d love to see him get a shot to play QB. He’s still relatively inexperienced at the position, and he sprinkled in enough “wow” throws to keep us intrigued. He posted the seventh-best grade in the nation in 2015, a year removed from ranking 14th, so the arrow is still pointing up in his development.

  1. Kevin Hogan, Stanford
Hogan’s development was the opposite of Kessler’s as he struggled for much of 2014 before finishing strong and carrying it into 2015. He struggled on a number of intermediate and deep throws, but his progression is intriguing and we’re working through our second pass watching that development.

  1. Jeff Driskel, Louisiana Tech
Competition level aside, Driskel’s one year at Louisiana Tech was a huge improvement after three uneven seasons at Florida. Consistency can still be an issue as he’ll mix in impressive throws with passes that miss by a wide margin, and his 71.6 percent accuracy percentage (15th in draft class) is concerning. It was only a step up from last year’s 67.2 percent mark, so while the arrow is pointing up in his development, he’s also just a year removed from not even being considered a draftable prospect.

Undrafted free agents
Jacoby Brissett, NC State

Brissett’s two-year passing grade is well below most of the other quarterbacks on the list though he’s done a fine job of using his legs to move the chains. If you catch the right Brissett games, there’s plenty to like, but the bad ones occur far too often. That inconsistency is too much to risk with a draft pick.

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State

Strides were made in the passing game, but Prescott still sits behind most of the passers in this draft class. He does add an intriguing element as a runner, particularly in the designed run game, but there are still too many questions about him as a passer to warrant a draft pick.

Jake Rudock, Michigan

We’re still working through our re-watch of Rudock, but his trend is one of the most interesting in the country. Through week nine, he was the 44th-ranked QB in the draft class at -13.5, but from week 10 and on, his +24.0 grade led all QBs in the class. Head coach Jim Harbaugh has lobbied hard for Rudock behind the scenes, and he’ll be one to watch during the draft process.

Vernon Adams Jr, Oregon

More work is still to be done on Adams as well, and he has a similar profile as Rudock’s. Adams battled a thumb injury early in the season that likely hindered his performance, but his +14.7 grade since Week 10 and an impressive performance in the East-West Shrine game have our analysts intrigued to break down exactly what changed in his game.

Christian Hackenberg, Penn State

“Looks the part” is the nicest thing that has been said about Hackenberg the last two seasons, and we’re not really sure how much that’s worth. The on-field play has been subpar by every measure, and most point to 2013 as the glimmer of hope in Hackenberg’s upside. We are in the process of going back to grade every play from that season, but the last two years of evidence that saw him rank among the worst quarterbacks in the country is not encouraging.

Nick Arbuckle, Georgia State

Another player we are going back to re-watch, the grades were strong this season and our analysts always came back impressed after watching him play.
 
Would anyone consider seeing what the Packers want for Brett Hundley? They got him in the 5th round last year and there were several of us that liked him coming out of UCLA. He's had a year to hopefully mature, learn, and acclimate to the NFL. Would you offer up a 3rd round pick for him?
 
Would anyone consider seeing what the Packers want for Brett Hundley? They got him in the 5th round last year and there were several of us that liked him coming out of UCLA. He's had a year to hopefully mature, learn, and acclimate to the NFL. Would you offer up a 3rd round pick for him?

Yes and yes.
 
Would anyone consider seeing what the Packers want for Brett Hundley? They got him in the 5th round last year and there were several of us that liked him coming out of UCLA. He's had a year to hopefully mature, learn, and acclimate to the NFL. Would you offer up a 3rd round pick for him?

Why offer a 3 for a guy we know nothing about just because he's been in the league for a year? We have our own guy that's been in our own system for 2 years that we know nothing back. Oh and he "only" cost us a 4.
 
Why offer a 3 for a guy we know nothing about just because he's been in the league for a year? We have our own guy that's been in our own system for 2 years that we know nothing back. Oh and he "only" cost us a 4.

If you truly feel like the other guy could be better?
 
Why offer a 3 for a guy we know nothing about just because he's been in the league for a year? We have our own guy that's been in our own system for 2 years that we know nothing back. Oh and he "only" cost us a 4.

I figure that Rick Smith sucks with those mid round picks anyway and many of us, myself included, really like Hundley last year. If he's learned anything from Rodgers then he'd be someone worth pursuing. An inquiring phone call from Rick don't cost anything, and I'd give up a 3rd for a possible starting QB.
 
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