CloakNNNdagger
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JJ has undergone successful surgery today. As I suspected it was indeed for a sports hernia.........joining JJo, Foster and Clowney in the "ring of honor."
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OFFSEASON INJURY UPDATES
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CloakNNNdagger
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It's funny how after the season is over, OB reveals that Ben Jones has been trying to play through an MCL and a bad back............neither has appeared on the Injury Reports.
Teams will game the system, as best they can, within the rules. I don't blame them at all. I blame the process. If teams had to report every injury a player endures, rather than the one most likely to keep a player from playing on game day, things would be different. I seriously doubt that the average fan and/or the media is ready for a full injury report.
I'm just thankful that my team has a Doctor that keeps us abreast of the situations, tempers our expectations and generally expands our knowledge of injuries and the healing process.
I'm just thankful that my team has a Doctor that keeps us abreast of the situations, tempers our expectations and generally expands our knowledge of injuries and the healing process.
CloakNNNdagger
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Yeah...that's followed and enforced.
CloakNNNdagger
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You noticed..........
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Or the ring of recurrent groin injuries.
Going forward, I won't be expecting Watt to be the player who never misses a game.
CloakNNNdagger
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From May 2, 2015:
Evidently, Reshard Cliett also dislocated his shoulder once again. Besides the ACL repair, he also underwent another shoulder surgery after going on IR. His recovery has been uneventful, and he should be ready by TC.
After torn ACL, shoulder surgery, Texans linebacker Reshard Cliett on the mend
Evidently, Reshard Cliett also dislocated his shoulder once again. Besides the ACL repair, he also underwent another shoulder surgery after going on IR. His recovery has been uneventful, and he should be ready by TC.
After torn ACL, shoulder surgery, Texans linebacker Reshard Cliett on the mend
CloakNNNdagger
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Would not expect any until OTAs. Will likely end up continuing to courtesy work out with the team, attending meetings and training to return to the the field like last year.........and if so, it will still be an up hill battle to make it to or certainly through TC. His risks will also be determined by if his maintenance chemo will be discontinued as previously reported after 2 years, or extended to 3 years as followed by many centers. In the back of my mind, I am actually hoping that he chooses to purse another life's goal that avoids ongoing trauma to his body.
CloakNNNdagger
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What's interesting is that I went back into the past Injury Reports I keep record of and found that Watt could be found listed as far back as 2013 with "groin.
CloakNNNdagger
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Although his injury was reported as a fractured hand, specifically it was a left wrist bone fracture. And the most common wrist bone fractured in football is the scaphoid (sometimes referred to as the navicular) bone............the same fractured bone that Cushing played with the end of 2014 and went on to undergo as one of his surgeries after the season was completed.
that I wrote re. Cushing's injury should act as a good review for you.
For those interested, this post and some posts following it that I wrote re. Cushing's injury should act as a good review for you.
badboy
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Doc, was Johnson's injury same/similar to Hopkins this past off season? He seemed to have recovered well
CloakNNNdagger
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As I stated before.........it was like Cushing's.
Hopkins was not a fracture of the scaphoid bone........it was a rupture of the scapholunate ligament that attaches the scaphoid and lunate bones of the wrist.
From Feb 21, 2015 re. Hopkins injury:
Then this was posted:
And my response to the reported link"
CloakNNNdagger
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This is the post I made re. Cushing's injury.........the one like Hopkin's:
To preface my post, keep in mind that I am using the limited information we are given about Cushing's wrist surgery and applying logic to reconstruct a scenario that in my mind is likely.
Sounds like Cushing may have been dealing with an unrecognized scaphoid (also sometimes referred to as "navicular") bone fracture that never quite healed (arrow in figure below points to fracture of the scaphoid bone).
Scaphoid fractures account for 2-7% of all orthopedic fractures, and they are the most common of all carpal (wrist)bone fractures. Symptoms of a "nonunion" of the scaphoid bone can be quite subtle. You may have pain when you use your wrist. However, the pain may be very minimal. It is isn't uncommon for "real world" doctors to see a nonunion of the scaphoid bone on X-rays, but the patient can't remember an injury. These patients usually suffered a wrist injury months or even years ago that they were told was a simple sprain. If x-rays are not taken at the time and then repeated 10-14 days later to account for resobtion of bone to identify a fracture, it can easily be missed. The MRI is the "gold standard" for picking up scaphoid fractures that are not defined on plain x-rays of the wrist. Still, the most common symptom of a nonunion is a gradual increase in pain. Over several years the nonunion can lead to degenerative arthritis in the wrist joint, accompanied by loss of grip strength. Scaphoid fractures are the most commonly undiagnosed fracture.......at least in the "real world." However, with MRI's so readily accessible to NFL teams and their players, overlooking this diagnosis may be considered less defensible.
As to why Cushing would have been initially told that his wrist would be in a cast for 4 weeks, then the time period extended to 8 weeks? Well, certainly not simply because they just wanted to keep him from pushing things too early. Keep in mind that the longer a joint is immobilized, the more difficult the rehab, the more atrophy of muscles, and the more possibility of loss of range of motion. No, this change of events could be more readily explained by the fact that going into the surgery, his surgeon believed that the fracture could be repaired with a simple screw......which would require only 3-4 weeks cast immobilization. Once being able to thoroughly assess the injury DURING surgery, a change of approach may have been indicated.
If there was no evidence that wrist arthritis was developing, a decision could likely have been made to get the scaphoid to best stabilize the fracture site and affect more reliable healing by using a bone graft in addition to a metal screw. Traditionally, the bone graft will be taken from the iliac crest (the rim of the hip bone) or the radius (one of the forearm bones, depicted in the figure below). Approximately 85% of scaphoid non union cases will heal with this treatment.
After this type of surgery, a plaster cast is worn for............. ~8 weeks.
Actual bone healing and cast immobilization, if it does occurs at all, depends on the location of the fracture line of the bone..............distal 1/3 fracture>6-8 weeks; middle 1/3 fracture>8 to 12 weeks; proximal 1/3 fracture>12 to 24 week. Players can play with the cast in place by 4-6 weeks..............but this is totally impractical for a receiver. So this is a potential time table for his upcoming offseason participation.
CloakNNNdagger
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Kevin Johnson's wrist surgery will not occur for another 2-3 weeks. But that "foot" injury for which he was listed on the Injury Report for the last 3 weeks turns out to be a Jones fracture (5th metatarsal).......similar to the stress fracture that James played with until it completed the fracture. He's traveled to Charlotte, where he will undergo surgery to repair it today.
It's going to be a rough offseason for that young man.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Kevin Johnson I expect to break out in his 3rd season, much like Kareem did and at a time that would mesh well with any decision to move on from JJo. Hope he focuses on his recovery this offseason rather than pushing too hard for field time too early.
JJ Watt's recurring groin injury, I tore the right side of my groin playing soccer at the age of 15, the thing will still go pop without warning once or twice a year 13 years later, its the kind of pain that you can try to push through at first and usually leads to much worse pain down the line if i do try to work through it.
I'd hope that the millions spent on the Texans medical and S&C department would help to fix him up a bit better than the few quid I manage to scrape together for a physio session once every couple of years or so but who knows.
JJ Watt's recurring groin injury, I tore the right side of my groin playing soccer at the age of 15, the thing will still go pop without warning once or twice a year 13 years later, its the kind of pain that you can try to push through at first and usually leads to much worse pain down the line if i do try to work through it.
I'd hope that the millions spent on the Texans medical and S&C department would help to fix him up a bit better than the few quid I manage to scrape together for a physio session once every couple of years or so but who knows.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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Concerning Clowney, I was asked what a midfoot ligament sprain really is. Well to keep it very simple, it is essentially a term used when a ligament anywhere across the Lisfranc joint complex (see the first figure below) is usually only partially torn, and with no associated adjacent fracture. The term Lisfranc complex ligament injury and midfoot sprain has sometimes been used interchangeably with the classic Lisfranc Injury, but this classic injury is more correctly specific to one ligament (see the second figure below).......an injury in a football player that usually requires surgery to assure stability (although there are more atypical cases that are partial tears without displacement and without instability that have been treated over long periods of months to see if the joint "holds"........and if it doesn't surgery and its additive long rehab is then embarked upon, Midfoot sprains, on the other hand, are commonly treated nonsurgically. However, if instability is present or subsequently ensues, surgery is indicated. A Grade I midfoot sprain can usually keep a player off the field a couple of weeks. A Grade II is less predictable and can typically take anywhere from 4 weeks to 12 weeks. Grade III nonsurgically treated may take even much longer.
With Clowney, we don't know exactly at what position in the complex a ligament was torn. It could be a partial tear of the classic Lisfranc Ligament...........and no one at the Texans would want to use that term, even if it were a grade I......it would scare the heck out of the fan base. But even it were one of the other ligaments in the complex, there was no way Clowney after less than 2 weeks from the injury should have been playing in the playoff game........he was certainly not dogging it.
With Clowney, we don't know exactly at what position in the complex a ligament was torn. It could be a partial tear of the classic Lisfranc Ligament...........and no one at the Texans would want to use that term, even if it were a grade I......it would scare the heck out of the fan base. But even it were one of the other ligaments in the complex, there was no way Clowney after less than 2 weeks from the injury should have been playing in the playoff game........he was certainly not dogging it.
Good grief! This guy is a walking "career threatening injury" machine. Or would that be a limping one? After Schaub, I cringe and run away any time I see or read Lisfranc injury.Concerning Clowney, I was asked what a midfoot ligament sprain really is. Well to keep it very simple, it is essentially a term used when a ligament anywhere across the Lisfranc joint complex (see the first figure below) is usually only partially torn, and with no associated adjacent fracture. The term Lisfranc complex ligament injury and midfoot sprain has sometimes been used interchangeably with the classic Lisfranc Injury, but this classic injury is more correctly specific to one ligament (see the second figure below).......an injury in a football player that usually requires surgery to assure stability (although there are more atypical cases that are partial tears without displacement and without instability that have been treated over long periods of months to see if the joint "holds"........and if it doesn't surgery and its additive long rehab is then embarked upon, Midfoot sprains, on the other hand, are commonly treated nonsurgically. However, if instability is present or subsequently ensues, surgery is indicated. A Grade I midfoot sprain can usually keep a player off the field a couple of weeks. A Grade II is less predictable and can typically take anywhere from 4 weeks to 12 weeks. Grade III nonsurgically treated may take even much longer.
With Clowney, we don't know exactly at what position in the complex a ligament was torn. It could be a partial tear of the classic Lisfranc Ligament...........and no one at the Texans would want to use that term, even if it were a grade I......it would scare the heck out of the fan base. But even it were one of the other ligaments in the complex, there was no way Clowney after less than 2 weeks from the injury should have been playing in the playoff game........he was certainly not dogging it.
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Not that it means anything, but I saw a selfie pic of him with a teammate and he definitely looked thicker around the neck & face area.
badboy
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reaction to chemo?
Probably adding weight and muscle?
Marshall
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Both are possibilities.
I would say likely possibilities.
CloakNNNdagger
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Vincristine and methotrexate is a common combination used for long term maintenance of his disease. It is more typically associated with weight loss and muscle loss/weakness.
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Gotta agree here. I'm not sure if he's "injury prone" or just plain snake-bit. Whatever the reason(s), the Texans ROI on that #1 pick is awfully low.Good grief! This guy is a walking "career threatening injury" machine. Or would that be a limping one? After Schaub, I cringe and run away any time I see or read Lisfranc injury.
Bill O’Brien: Arian Foster “working hard to get back”
Added this to the Foster thread, but thought it should really go here.
Added this to the Foster thread, but thought it should really go here.
Any player injured ever, and you can count on the words “He’s been in our building quite a bit working hard to get back,” coming from OB... and in TC everyone will be in great shape right up until they are in the doghouse for not being in shape
CloakNNNdagger
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Hot stock tip!.........if Foster stock shares come up for a new offering........seriously consider passing if you didn't the first time around.
Seegara
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Clowney is the most injury prone person who ever put on a jock strap. And now they're saying his name and Lisfranc in the same sentence? Shudder! We just wish he had some trade value.Good grief! This guy is a walking "career threatening injury" machine. Or would that be a limping one? After Schaub, I cringe and run away any time I see or read Lisfranc injury.
Obviously you don't remember Bennie Joppru...
CloakNNNdagger
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Patrick Starr reports:
Keep it up and Watt is likely to quickly follow in the foot steps of Foster.
Keep it up and Watt is likely to quickly follow in the foot steps of Foster.
badboy
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We need to create a different coaching position or perhaps the strength coach will do; this person will race out to field, throw Watt over his shoulder after putting him in a strait jacket and force him to sit on bench so he can get some rest. Actually we might want to use more than just one of these guys in case Watt disagrees about coming off field.
Beaumont Texan
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Caught JJ on the Dan Patrick show. Sounds as if it was more involved than what they originally thought it would be. Skip to 3:15.
CloakNNNdagger
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If you've followed my posts re. sports hernia, you will remember that a sports hernia is not uncommonly found to occur bilaterally (as we now know is the case with JJ), or will develop a contralateral sports hernia later. With a single sports hernia, presence of a hip pathology is extremely common. There is a triad of abdominal tear, adductor tear and hip labrum tear that is referred to as the "sports triad."
You may be interested to review this previous post of mine the details the above relationships.......one that emphasizes the importance of addressing the underlying hip pathology.
With JJ having bilateral sports hernias, you can be sure that he also has underlying hip pathology. Because of the core and hip mechanics being affected, the appearance of back issues is not unexpected (Last October, you may remember that JJ was listed on the Injury Report as "back."
His groin injuries have been building up since at least week 4 of 2014............remember this pic?:
badboy
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If you've followed my posts re. sports hernia, you will remember that a sports hernia is not uncommonly found to occur bilaterally (as we now know is the case with JJ), or will develop a contralateral sports hernia later. With a single sports hernia, presence of a hip pathology is extremely common. There is a triad of abdominal tear, adductor tear and hip labrum tear that is referred to as the "sports triad."
You may be interested to review this previous post of mine the details the above relationships.......one that emphasizes the importance of addressing the underlying hip pathology.
With JJ having bilateral sports hernias, you can be sure that he also has underlying hip pathology. Because of the core and hip mechanics being affected, the appearance of back issues is not unexpected (Last October, you may remember that JJ was listed on the Injury Report as "back."
His groin injuries have been building up since at least week 4 of 2014............remember this pic?:
full article here http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...r-bruise/8c902b5f-f25d-467d-9496-1c4d1e2756c5
CloakNNNdagger
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When I first posted on this injury, I identified the groin muscle most likely involved (through the distribution of the bruising) as the sartorius muscle, although other adductors could have also incurred injury. Violent direct hits to muscles will commonly cause muscle tears with subsequent hemorrrhage into the muscles and surrounding soft tissues.
linkA groin injury is a layman’s term for a muscle strain of the adductor muscles. A strain is a stretch or tear of a muscle or tendon. The muscles in your groin help bring your legs together. There are two muscles that may commonly get injured in a groin strain: the adductor magnus (the muscle running down the inner side of the thigh), and the sartorius (a thinner muscle that starts on the outside of your hip, crosses your thigh, and attaches near the inside of the knee).
CloakNNNdagger
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Regarding JJ, the review below is why I am concerned about the ignoring of an underlying hip pathology (femoral acetabular impingement....FAI) of which in another often-quoted study was found in 86% of sports hernia cases, and deemed it to be a significant contributing cause. The study illustrated that those patients with FAI tend to have a change in hip biomechanics which in turn leads to increased stress across the groin. With these stresses a sports hernia (tear to the oblique abdominal muscles), is much more likely to occur. [Understand that the vast majority of labral tears which is part of the infamous "sports triad" are from femoral acetabular impingement]
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Texan_fan_13
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Seeing jj this week he does not look well. He has lost weight, is pale, and he just wasn't himself.
Nothing scientific just an observation
badboy
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"whooee, look at the new remote control they gave me!"
Hmmmmm he is a white guy, if that's what you mean as far as pale goes......