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What is leadership exactly? im confused.

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I know this has been beat to death.. but people keep dogging on Carr's leadership abilities..and im just wondering where it is coming from. What little blurb or picture do you have that proves he isnt a leader?

Im just wondering what people expect.. I mean.. does he need to go into convulsions of excitement everytime a play is made? Would that prove that he is a leader?

I know..thats stupid..but what is it, exactly, that is lacking? Im sorry but as someone who isnt in the lockerroom.. and isnt a close friend of any of the players.. I cant tell you definitively that he is or isnt a leader. Id like to know what little peice if info I missed that showed that he isnt one.

I honestly think that all these people claiming that Carr isnt a leader.. are incorrectly associating leadership skills with winning. A player can lead his team just fine, but that doesnt mean they will win.. it is still up to the players to play hard, and the coaches to make the right decisions. We know the coaches werent doing their part... So where does it all fall on Carr, exactly?

please.. enlighten me.. im totally in the dark on this whole leadership thing.
 
Grid said:
please.. enlighten me.. im totally in the dark on this whole leadership thing.
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I wish I could, but I don't understand it myself. From everything I see and hear, he has the leadership abilities that are needed in an NFL QB. I haven't heard a peep out of anyone on the team regarding David's "lack" of leadership. The only place I find it is on this message board.
 
Zephyr said:
I wish I could, but I don't understand it myself. From everything I see and hear, he has the leadership abilities that are needed in an NFL QB. I haven't heard a peep out of anyone on the team regarding David's "lack" of leadership. The only place I find it is on this message board.
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It is encouraging others to do what is needed when they might not feel like it. When you fall down hurt, exhausted and get back up knowing the next step you may get knocked down again but you get up anyway. When you accept responsibility when it is truly someone else's fault. I think David is a leader.
 
I have similarly wondered where these opinions about Carr's apparent lack of leadership come from. To me the fact that he's been sacked more in four years than any QB in the history of football and keeps coming back and not complaining about it speaks volumes about him, and I like the fact that when he's running to get a first down he doesn't slide to protect himself and come up short, he dives head first and takes the punishment and pain for the benefit of the team. There aren't many QBs that will do that in this league that has created numerous rules to protect QBs. He may not be the most vocal guy on the team, he may not be the best QB in the league, and our team certainly isn't the best in the league, but that doesn't mean Carr is a bad leader.

Zephyr said:
I haven't heard a peep out of anyone on the team regarding David's "lack" of leadership. The only place I find it is on this message board.
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I haven't heard anything either other than people on the message board and Vince supporters in the local media.
 
Leadership is synonomous with winning the Rose Bowl title game.

It is what allows you to take a team full of comparably elite athletes and one of the winningest coaches in modern college football and put them all on your back.

It allows you to make blanket statements regarding caliber of players based on sense of possession of the word "it."

:brickwall

In all seriousness, though, I think leadership does not have to be spoken, though some leaders are vocal.

Leaders are those that people will look to in difficulty. Leaders are those who are reliable: you can count on them to play their part, and to hold you accountable that you will play yours. Leaders want victory, will do everything in their power to get it.

Leaders are able to get people to do the things they do not want to do, in order to achieve the things they do want for themselves.

As it relates to the DC vs VY argument:

Is Carr a great leader? Honestly, I don't think so. I don't think he is a great leader. Is he a bad one? I doubt it. I think he is a four-year veteran who has not quite yet found his voice on this team, a guy who is admired but has not made that assertive push yet, has not had that series of successes that help to define a leader and garner his respect.

I know for a fact we cut our 2004 leaders, Aaron Gleen and Jamie Sharper. Good job, Cass. I don't think your QB has to be the leader: he is in a sense by default, because he is the signal caller on your offensive side. But even at that, he does not have to be your voice among voices.

I am no best friend of any of the players or their families. I have seen the team together, interacted with them personally, away from the public eye and in their own element where they are free to be themselves and not put on a face, and simply in gauging them, I would comfortably say that there is not animosity towards Carr.

I think that Carr has potential to be just the sort of leader he was drafted to be. I also believe that, circumstances being what they have been, he has not developed into that leader just yet. We will see if he does, soon enough.
 
The bottom line is record. When the team is losing, people want to get rid of players. When people want to get rid of players, theyll make stuff up or make wild guesses that can't really be proved one way or another to justify their point. When Carr and the team as a whole start playing better, these people will crawl back into their holes. Or they'll go cheer for VY and the Titans.
 
At about mid-season Marc and Rich(610) had Brian Pitmann (I think that's his name) our deep snapper was on the show when they were on site @ Hooters or something.
When Brian was aked by Marc "So who would you say the leader of the team is. With us being 0-6(or whatever it was at the time) I'm just curious as to who is gonna lead us out of this funk".
Brian startd saying guys names like Wong, Payne, and Walker. At that point Marc should've left it alone but he asked "Who would you the leader is of the offense".
Brian had one of those Southwest Airlines moments where he wished he was somewhere else. It went like this..."Uhhhh...ummmmm....uhhhh...well, ....uhhhmmmm, Weigert is pretty vocal ya know crackin' jokes". Which promted Marc and Rich to say "wow, that's pretty sad" Pittman didn't try to clean it up either.
I swear it. If you can get thru call and ask them to play cuz they played it a few times later on.

Does anyone remember that?
Now I know he's just the long snapper but c'mon, he's on that sideline.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
At about mid-season Marc and Rich(610) had Brian Pitmann (I think that's his name) our deep snapper was on the show when they were on site @ Hooters or something.
When Brian was aked by Marc "So who would you say the leader of the team is. With us being 0-6(or whatever it was at the time) I'm just curious as to who is gonna lead us out of this funk".
Brian startd saying guys names like Wong, Payne, and Walker. At that point Marc should've left it alone but he asked "Who would you the leader is of the offense".
Brian had one of those Southwest Airlines moments where he wished he was somewhere else. It went like this..."Uhhhh...ummmmm....uhhhh...well, ....uhhhmmmm, Weigert is pretty vocal ya know crackin' jokes". Which promted Marc and Rich to say "wow, that's pretty sad" Pittman didn't try to clean it up either.
I swear it. If you can get thru call and ask them to play cuz they played it a few times later on.

Does anyone remember that?
Now I know he's just the long snapper but c'mon, he's on that sideline.
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That is the same stuff that happened to McKinney and they almost asked point blank if Carr was the leader on offense. He never named him. I just wrote this in another post but people dogged me saying that the Mckinney thing was taken out of context and that the rumors about David not taking extra snaps or dedicating himself to the team as leader was bunk and hearsay. Carr has answered the charges before and says he spends time with his family instead. Well McClain pretty much alluded to those today in his piece. He has the same conclusion as me and others. You may not like him but he is closer to the team than any of us are by a long shot.

"Kubiak is a former quarterback who coaches quarterbacks. He knows that analyzing a quarterback takes so much more than simply watching tapes of games and practices.

Kubiak has to find out what Carr is made of - if Carr is willing to pay the price off the field as he is on the field. Can Carr be consumed with becoming one of the NFL's best - a process that requires 24/7 dedication during the season and something close to it in the offseason.

Kubiak has to decide if Carr can become a dynamic team leader - a trait he hasn't developed in his first four seasons."
 
A leader.

Someone who can make another person do something that they inherently dont want to do and enjoy it. Roosevelt

To me that is a leader, and the man that that has to be is Kubiak. This to me is the definition of a leader, in work, play or anything. I dont know much about the armed forces, but every man I know that has fought in combat has sad this is very true. Most people do not really want to die, for any cause, much less the idea of America, but leaders true leaders make them enjoy being a flyboy or a grunt. Now I got this statement from a man that served during the Vietnam war and he told me if you lead this way and strive to do it this way then you will be a great leader.

As for Carr is he a leader on this team? Yes. He is the QB so he leads the offense. Is he the type of leader that is synonomous with what most people feel are leaders? NO. He does need to get into people more, and hold them accountable. Yes he holds himself accountable and will do it often, but what about when his line is crap, or Bradford misses another ball, or Armstrong runs a bad route and does not get open. Talk to them, yeah he likely does, but call them out for all to see make them understand that winning is the only thing he is going to settle for. If it is going to be his team he has to take it, and like Jerek S. said he has not yet.
 
I don't want to see Kubes legacy get tarnished 'cuz he can't turn him around.

Note to all the people who thinks Kubes is gonna get ahold of this and put us into contention right away with the bush pick.
He's gonna be new at his position at a new locale
His cordinators will probably be line coaches going from their team to ours with a more responsible role.
3 new guys, with new jobs, at a new place, working together for the first time with a team that just finished 2-14. Can you say 3-13 season 1, 6-10 season 2, 9-7 season 3. The 3 seasons of carrs' option are up, no playoffs, what do you do?

I can't wait 4 kubes but he ain't fixing anything right away. Especially with carr behind the wheel.
 
I think leadership in the Pro's can come from many different fronts. In college the star QB,RB, defensive standout,or a Coach usually is the guy you look to to win the game or give you the fire. Not everyone at that level is able to lead and are not going on to the pro ranks.
At the next level I would think leadership comes from Experience, Consistency, Respect for others on your team and Exceptional Ability. Everyone in the professional ranks of any endeavor hold these things in high regard. Leaders are not always the guy who is hooping and hollering.(reference T.O.)
 
Leadership is a lot of different things, depending on the situation and environment.

On an NFL football field it's about rallying your teammates, with words and/or actions, to play up to and beyond their capabilities.

There are many intangible qualities of leadership. Charisma, personality, character, attitude, just to name a few. Some have more "natural" leadership ability than others, but in many cases leadership can be learned. But in all cases leadership requires confidence.

In some ways Carr has demonstrated tremendous leadership ability (character, attitude), and in other ways he has failed miserably (getting players in the huddle to look in his eyes and then their guts on the field for him on the next play). If you're an NFL QB then this is the type of leadership that matters most.
 
I brought this up in another thread and I guess I will need to reiterate it here. Lets use Drew Brees for an example. The first couple of years he was on a team with marginal talent and many said he lacked leadership skills. Suddenly given a reason to compete (drafting of Rivers), and better talent he has became the leader of the team. I will tell you this from expierance, leadership is a trait that manifest in several diffirent ways. Brett Favre is a leader and he celebrates every time he scores a touchdown, yet when Carr does he is said to be to giddy and should act like he has been there. Every leader is diffirent, and until you are on the team or in the huddle none of you can honestly say if he is a leader or not.
 
Grndzro said:
Brett Favre is a leader and he celebrates every time he scores a touchdown, yet when Carr does he is said to be to giddy and should act like he has been there.
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How does that song go.....Feels like the first time, feels like the very first time.
:jam: :headbang:
 
chall8 said:
Leadership is a lot of different things, depending on the situation and environment.

On an NFL football field it's about rallying your teammates, with words and/or actions, to play up to and beyond their capabilities.

There are many intangible qualities of leadership. Charisma, personality, character, attitude, just to name a few. Some have more "natural" leadership ability than others, but in many cases leadership can be learned. But in all cases leadership requires confidence.

In some ways Carr has demonstrated tremendous leadership ability (character, attitude), and in other ways he has failed miserably (getting players in the huddle to look in his eyes and then their guts on the field for him on the next play). If you're an NFL QB then this is the type of leadership that matters most.
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The Only problem with confidence is(reference T.O.) . That is a byproduct of Experience and Consistency. T.O. has plenty of Confidence in HIMSELF.
 
About the Pittman thing, long snappers don't practice with the offensive or defensive units, so he isn't really part of the nitty-gritty work by those units. He would just have a "team as a whole" viewpoint.

The knock against Tim Duncan early in his career was he wasn't a leader. Now that he has three rings he's a quiet guy who is a very strong leader by example. He comes to work everyday, he isn't above anyone else, etc.

They used to talk up Favre's leadership when they were winning. This season there was a lot of questions that he's holding the team back. Is he no longer a leader, or does his supporting cast affect how he is viewed?

Leadership is many different things and perceptions change with won/loss record, big games, demeanor, etc.

As to Carr? I would have liked him to change plays in the huddle until Pendry benched him (likely) or gave in (yeah, right). But that is just me from a long way away - I don't put a lot of stock in my own opinion on this. Imagine the flack Carr would take if he was benched for insubordination. I bet the players would have respected him though.
 
leadership...leadership....

It's one of those things that can be hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

For instance, Tom Brady...now there is an obvious leader for his offensive unit. You just know it as a fan, without even being close to the Patriots or in the locker room. You can just tell by the way he plays and the way his team responds to him.

Who can say for sure that David Carr is, or is not, a leader? None of us really knows for sure. But just judging as an innocent bystander, a football fan, a casual observer...you still can't tell if Carr is a leader or not. It's just not obvious the way it is with other QBs in the NFL.

It's almost a situation where if you have to ask about it, then the answer might be right in front of us? idonno:
 
The Only problem with confidence is(reference T.O.) . That is a byproduct of Experience and Consistency. T.O. has plenty of Confidence in HIMSELF.
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Be careful not to confuse "confidence" with "cockiness" or "arrogance".

To have a career in the NFL you have to have confidence at a pretty high level.
 
All of the examples I am seeing of leaders are from winning teams. Can someone give a good example of an acknowledged leader who is on a very poor team? Don't cop out and say leaders don't lose - look at Aikman's early career among others.

I think winning changes a lot of perspectives - I can't think of perrenial loser who himself was a leader. I'm sure I'm missing a few people.
 
Runner said:
All of the examples I am seeing of leaders are from winning teams. Can someone give a good example of an acknowledged leader who is on a very poor team? Don't cop out and say leaders don't lose - look at Aikman's early career among others.

I think winning changes a lot of perspectives - I can't think of perrenial loser who himself was a leader. I'm sure I'm missing a few people.
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Brett Favre this year, a lot of that was injuries but he still made some really bad decisions this year when trying to make plays and lead his team.
 
Leadership: running out of bounds 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage so your O-Line racks up another sack on the stat sheet. See also, throwing short over the middle of the field to your back when your team needs to go 80 yards in almost no time. :stirpot:
 
The Pittman conversation sounds like a valid concern.

The "staying after practice" thing.. im torn on that one.. cause yah its important for him to be an example, and hang with the guys.. but its also important to be with your family. Im not going to fault him for that one.

The "not letting your team go 2-14" and the "running out of bounds 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage".. are just stupid and I am not going to dignify them with a response (other than this one of course hehe)
 
1-3 said:
Leadership: running out of bounds 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage so your O-Line racks up another sack on the stat sheet. See also, throwing short over the middle of the field to your back when your team needs to go 80 yards in almost no time. :stirpot:
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Words of wisdom from "Saint" Vince.

"It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you've got to have is faith and discipline when you're not yet a winner"

"In great attempts, it is glorious even to fail."

"Leadership rests not only upon ability, not only upon capacity; having the capacity to lead is not enough. The leader must be willing to use it. His leadership is then based on truth and character."
 
MorKnolle said:
Brett Favre this year, a lot of that was injuries but he still made some really bad decisions this year when trying to make plays and lead his team.
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Honest question:

Would you have said that if you didn't know Brett Favre's history, or if Brett Farve was some unknown second year QB this year?
 
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See also, throwing short over the middle of the field to your back when your team needs to go 80 yards in almost no time. :stirpot:
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Well, he got cruicifed for going for a touchdown when Dre was "open over the middle" with time running out. He gets slammed either way he goes on that one.
 
Runner said:
Well, he got cruicifed for going for a touchdown when Dre was "open over the middle" with time running out. He gets slammed either way he goes on that one.
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two totally different situations...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
two totally different situations...
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How so? Throwing short when we need to go long. Seems similar to me.

Anyway, I'm about done with revisiting that play. Let me know what you think and then I'm moving on.
 
Grid said:
Im just wondering what people expect.. I mean.. does he need to go into convulsions of excitement everytime a play is made? Would that prove that he is a leader?
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A leader would be a coach on the field. He would find ways to keep his teammates calm in high pressure situations. The way Joe Montana was pointing out celebrities to his teammates during the Superbowl. The way Jim Kelly didn't quit after the Oilers had him down 35 to nothing.

Most importantly, he would inspire confidence. He would not be pouting on the sidelines the moment something goes wrong.

Compare the way Vince Young remained calm all year when the game was on the line while Mike Brown looked like he was ready to wet his pants. Vince appears to be more of a leader than his coach.

Of course Vince is surrounded by superior talent and David Carr isn't. It's easy to feel confident when you're winning all the time (and no Superman doesn't do it by himself). Let Vince go through 3 or 4 consecutive losing seasons where he spends the entire game every game running for his life and we'll see if he still exudes confidence.
 
I seem to recall that Favre even had a problem with painkillers his first couple of years. He seems to have had a rather start in the league.

He didn't start putting good numbers until year 4 and he had Holmgren calling the plays
 
A leader is the one everyone counts on to take care of the 'intangibles.' A leader, for example, is the DR that directs his surgical team to save lives--especially the lives of people not expected to live. A leader is the one who gets up in front of the crowd, whether comfortable or not, and speaks on their behalf to voice their say/concerns/etc. A leader is the soldier on the field that directs their unit to success and saves lives. You may or may not like the leader but you respect them because they know to get respect, they've got to give respect. A leader is the one who 'sets the bar' high for everyone and accepts nothing less and-most important-they set that bar a lttle higher for themselves. Too, while a leader can 'discuss' your mistakes with you (sometimes not very nicely), they are not afraid or intimidated to let you know you've done a good job--a leader knows we all mistakes and learning from them is what is important.

...think about a few of the greatest QBs of all time--Unitas,Starr,Elway and many others--these guys were not screamers but definitely were leaders. Their team mates knew that they would be lead to victory through a team effort because they had a leader.

Is Carr a leader? Having to ask that question is not a good sign but who knows...
 
The staying after practice thing needs to be put in a 12 ft deep grave and never mentioned again. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed study tons and tons of game tape beyond what is required by the team. They don't do it during practice time or at the Ravens facility, they do it at Lewis' house. Unless someone with a Cracker Jack decoder ring wants to claim a special knowledge of Carr's at home study habits (by the way, anyone know where Manning studies his game tape predominately?) then this is one of the more stupid comments around.
 
HoustonFrog said:
That is the same stuff that happened to McKinney and they almost asked point blank if Carr was the leader on offense. He never named him. I just wrote this in another post but people dogged me saying that the Mckinney thing was taken out of context and that the rumors about David not taking extra snaps or dedicating himself to the team as leader was bunk and hearsay.
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Must be fun getting to write your own history books.
 
To me that is a leader, and the man that that has to be is Kubiak.
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Amen. Most NFL teams do not take on the personality of their QB. They take on the personality of their coach. This team last season took on the personality of their coach and that was the personality of a milquetoast. Capers is a heck of a nice guy and a good guy, but that doesn't win championships. Look at the great coaches in history and very few of them were nice guys.

I still think leadership and performance go hand in hand. Carr was lauded for his leadership in college because he was a great college QB. Vince Young was a great leader in college because he was a great college QB. A large part of leadership is the belief that your leader will do something to throw you over the top. That is why coaches like Belicheck are great leaders because their team believe they can design a superior game plan.

I would say all in all Carr is an average NFL QB. To me, the question is not one of leadership but of whether he can be a great or even good QB. Think of the great QBs in history and they were all called great leaders. People here assume that means that you must be a great leader to be a great QB. I say you have to be a great QB to be a great leader at that position. Define greatness anyway you want, but it's there in every case.

I don't know if Carr will ever be a good starting QB. I suspect he can in the right conditions, but I would submit that there is NOTHING that VY has done that GUARANTEES that he will be a great QB in the NFL. I think he certainly can be, but we don't know. The 2002 scouting report said Carr would be a very good QB. At the end of the day it is always our best guess. So, please, act like you're certain if you want (about Young being a great leader and Carr being ineffctual), but you're not fooling anyone. A whole team of scouts, GMs, and coaches can't tell you that with any certainty.
 
tsip said:
A leader is the one everyone counts on to take care of the 'intangibles.' A leader, for example, is the DR that directs his surgical team to save lives--especially the lives of people not expected to live. A leader is the one who gets up in front of the crowd, whether comfortable or not, and speaks on their behalf to voice their say/concerns/etc. A leader is the soldier on the field that directs their unit to success and saves lives. You may or may not like the leader but you respect them because they know to get respect, they've got to give respect. A leader is the one who 'sets the bar' high for everyone and accepts nothing less and-most important-they set that bar a lttle higher for themselves. Too, while a leader can 'discuss' your mistakes with you (sometimes not very nicely), they are not afraid or intimidated to let you know you've done a good job--a leader knows we all mistakes and learning from them is what is important.

...think about a few of the greatest QBs of all time--Unitas,Starr,Elway and many others--these guys were not screamers but definitely were leaders. Their team mates knew that they would be lead to victory through a team effort because they had a leader.

Is Carr a leader? Having to ask that question is not a good sign but who knows...
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Carr doesn't have to be the leader, just so everyone is aware. Who was the Leader on the Oilers ,when Earl Campbell was here? How about da Bears in 85' ? Their is more than one way to skin a cat.:eek: You have to use what you get and do the best with ........IT.
 
Erratic Assassin said:
The way Jim Kelly didn't quit after the Oilers had him down 35 to nothing.
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That was actually Frank Reich. Kelly was injured in that game.


Erratic Assassin said:
Of course Vince is surrounded by superior talent and David Carr isn't.
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I agree to an extent. Gino Torretta was also surrounded by superior talent. While he won the Heisman and National Championships, he never showed anything extra that made people think that he would succeed on the next level.
 
texplayer2 said:
Carr doesn't have to be the leader, just so everyone is aware. Who was the Leader on the Oilers ,when Earl Campbell was here? How about da Bears in 85' ? Their is more than one way to skin a cat.:eek: You have to use what you get and do the best with ........IT.
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Agreed, but then why make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL if all you need out of him is Dilfer, Pastorini, or McMahon-like performance ?
 
Grid said:
The "not letting your team go 2-14" ... are just stupid and I am not going to dignify them with a response (other than this one of course hehe)
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Clearly you have been stumped - please name some great QB 'leaders' in the NFL that have an 18-46 starting record over their first 4 seasons. Be sure to include those whose winning percentage has gotten worse with experience [season #4 -- 2-14 ~ 14%].

I await your response with bated breath.
 
CARR is a true leader and I dont think VY will be the leader that Carr is, if vy comes to Houston, he will probably hang with his so called homies, and not be concern about his teamates. Carr is a true family man and a christian. VY should probaly be a reciever because he cant handle the qb position, and cant read defenses. Carr's option will be picked up, so stop crying about getting VY you fairwaether fans! VY should have stayed in college.
 
Tale Gator said:
Clearly you have been stumped - please name some great QB 'leaders' in the NFL that have an 18-46 starting record over their first 4 seasons. Be sure to include those whose winning percentage has gotten worse with experience [season #4 -- 2-14 ~ 14%].

I await your response with bated breath.
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Please name all the QBs who started from scratch with an expansion franchise and had inept coaches who ignored his offensive line and made *****ic play calls.

Matter of fact.. why is it that when a team posts a bad record like 2-14, the coaching staff gets fired, not the QB?

and 22-42.. Jake Plummer. he started 4-12, then went 9-7, 6-12, 3-13.

Even so.. every freakin thing that happens in the NFL cannot be compared to some other past situation.
 
bullman said:
Carr is a true family man and a christian.
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Yeah, like that helps on 3rd and 23.

Give me a single, childless, non-Christian who wins (and is a leader of course) and I'm happy.
 
"Leadership is the wise use of power. Power is the capacity to translate intention into reality and sustain it." Warren Bennis
 
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball....e_id=1891&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

"Young's final, selfless act for the Texas Longhorns was to talk to his would be successor about leadership. For Vince, it had always been about "team," and as the Rose Bowl approached and passed, it became obvious that the world would no longer allow him to fit in that role. With his magnificent performance in the National Championship game, Young became larger than life, and as much as he tried to deflect credit and give it to his teammates, the media and the fans would never allow that.

And so, just as the mythical character in Kahlil Gibran's poem "The Prophet," Vince Young sailed off in the sunset on Sunday. Behind, he left an amazing legacy, a rare and unique person whose qualities were many, whose significant shadow will be cast on Texas football forever.

In leaving, he also left room in the spotlight. He had told people over and over again about his receivers, his offensive line, his running backs, and the Longhorn defense, and he reinforced over and over again the impact Longhorn coaches Davis and Brown had had on not only his career, but his life.

But of all his qualities, his greatest were his competitiveness, and his leadership. Competitiveness is part of one's nature. Leadership is available only when you earn it."
 
bullman said:
CARR is a true leader and I dont think VY will be the leader that Carr is, if vy comes to Houston, he will probably hang with his so called homies, and not be concern about his teamates. Carr is a true family man and a christian. VY should probaly be a reciever because he cant handle the qb position, and cant read defenses. Carr's option will be picked up, so stop crying about getting VY you fairwaether fans! VY should have stayed in college.
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Can you define true leader? I have seen some good takes on what a leader is, but would like to know what a true one looks like. Moreover, what is a so called homie?
 
infantrycak said:
Must be fun getting to write your own history books.
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Glad you excluded the rest of the post. Must be fun going to your RIF class and missing the reading comprehension part. Who the heck are you, the board know it all? As I said, I HEARD these conversations on the radio and the discussions. Something you obviously didn't except for your revisionist account of another McKinney conversation. AGAIN, it looks like this hasn't been the first time it has been passed around. You tell me what McClain is alluding to here. And for the record, it wasn't just video tape, it was working with his receivers after practice, etc.

"After he hires his assistants, Kubiak will have to spend a lot of time with Carr. For about a month, they'll spend more time with each other than they spend with their wives

Kubiak is a former quarterback who coaches quarterbacks. He knows that analyzing a quarterback takes so much more than simply watching tapes of games and practices.

Kubiak has to find out what Carr is made of - if Carr is willing to pay the price off the field as he is on the field. Can Carr be consumed with becoming one of the NFL's best - a process that requires 24/7 dedication during the season and something close to it in the offseason.

Kubiak has to decide if Carr can become a dynamic team leader - a trait he hasn't developed in his first four seasons."
 
Hulk75 said:
It all comes down to wins and this "TEAM" has not had all the weapons to go out and win.
If Carr was winning he would be one of the best leaders around.
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I think we will agree to disagree. It has nothing to do with wins and losses. It has everything to do with how you handle adversity and the bad times.
 
Hulk75 said:
Go away...........it is all about wins, how you come back from adversity like getting hammered more then any other QB in the history of the NFL and getting up all 200+ times(just sacks), you waste me and everyone elses time dont type on here anymore.
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So long as they stay within the terms of use, everyone is free to post here and express their opinions--and of course, you can respond where you disagree. No need for posters to tell each other to go away.
 
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