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Bill O'Brien deserves to continue as our HC because...

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Before you go all negative & get ugly.... hear me out.

As much as we want him gone, it ain't going to happen. McNair is going to have his reasons & it won't make sense to us. There are & will be other threads to express your opinion about that.

Here, I just want to list the good reasons why O'Brien shouldn't be fired right away. If we can't find any reasons, or if you choose not to participate, then this thread will drift off into oblivion, never to be heard or seen again.

I can't think of a good reason Bill O'Brien should spend another second thinking he's the head coach of the Houston Texans. Not one. I'm hoping some of you will.
 
>Bill O'Brien deserves to continue as our HC because

1) The assistants on our staff that would replace him might be even worse.
2) I want to hire a GM, and let that guy hire a coach
3) I love his smarmy post-game pressers -- the only fun thing about the season..
4) We'll have a better pool of guys to chose from if we wait to announce until the end of the season..
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5) The sphincter in his chin is hypnotic to look at..
 
We may be able to break all sorts of records with O'Brien. Like 25 completions in a row. Or has a team ever allowed 35 points in the first 16 minutes of a game? We could become an all time great ... for everyone else.
 
less fake fans jumping on the bandwagon just cause we're winning games?

(there may be a bit of irony in me posting this, meh... who cares?)
 
You keep him because it ensures a top 5 pick next year. Fire him and insert an interim and we might pull a Dolphins and win some meaningless games.

I'm not a proponent of tanking, but I am a realist. And realistically the best way to get a franchise QB is with a top 5 pick.
 
Devil's Advocate: Flip 2014 and 2015 records. If what happened this year happened last year, nobody would be calling for his job. Maybe he should get a little credit for last year and get the chance to win the division this year before caning him.

(Auto correct changed canning to caning. I am choosing to leave it.)
 
OK, first "I got nothing".

Second.....


speedfreek said:
>Bill O'Brien deserves to continue as our HC because

1) The assistants on our staff that would replace him might be even worse.
2) I want to hire a GM, and let that guy hire a coach
3) I love his smarmy post-game pressers -- the only fun thing about the season..
4) We'll have a better pool of guys to chose from if we wait to announce until the end of the season..
..
5) The sphincter in his chin is hypnotic to look at..
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1. It's not going to get worse. I guarantee that. It might not get better but it is absolutely not going to get worse. You can pick any assistant you want and it will not get worse.
2. Nobody says you can't do that after the interim coach finishes his season. Wade Phillips didn't get the job when it came up and he was a "Legacy".
3. OK, well that's fine but I personally don't even want to hear another word out of the mans mouth.
4. At the end of the season we'll have the same pool of guys to choose from whether we are replacing O'Brien or the assistant who kept the seat warm between now and then.
5. This is Bill O'Brien's chin we're talking about not Hypno-Toa..... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-CHIN! ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-CHIN!
 
WolverineFan said:
You keep him because it ensures a top 5 pick next year. Fire him and insert an interim and we might pull a Dolphins and win some meaningless games.

I'm not a proponent of tanking, but I am a realist. And realistically the best way to get a franchise QB is with a top 5 pick.
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That's true with any other organization, but with the Texans a top 5 pick means its time to take another defensive lineman.
 
texanhead08 said:
That's true with any other organization, but with the Texans a top 5 pick means its time to take another defensive lineman.
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Just out of curiosity and because I don't usually pay attention to college football in nearly the kind of detail I do the pro game.... Is there a freakishly big workout-warrior type DL out there starting to look like a top five pick at the moment?

I bet there is and I bet he hasn't performed the way he is now for more than a year at most.
 
Hervoyel said:
Just out of curiosity and because I don't usually pay attention to college football in nearly the kind of detail I do the pro game.... Is there a freakishly big workout-warrior type DL out there starting to look like a top five pick at the moment?

I bet there is and I bet he hasn't performed the way he is now for more than a year at most.
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The lineman at Ole Miss has been talked about as a top 5 pick He missed the game this weekend against A$M with a concussion but he is really good.
 
texanhead08 said:
The lineman at Ole Miss has been talked about as a top 5 pick He missed the game this weekend against A$M with a concussion but he is really good.
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I bet Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien IM his highlights back and forth to one another. I also bet he's got some odd medical condition that Cloak could accurately diagnose from a vague description over a static-filled phone line from the guy who washes uniforms at Ole' Miss but that Smith and OB don't think is going to be a problem.
 
Hervoyel said:
Just out of curiosity and because I don't usually pay attention to college football in nearly the kind of detail I do the pro game.... Is there a freakishly big workout-warrior type DL out there starting to look like a top five pick at the moment?

I bet there is and I bet he hasn't performed the way he is now for more than a year at most.
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Yes. Robert Nkemdiche from Ole Miss.

And yes, he hasn't performed up to that standing. He has 4.5 sacks in 26 career games.
 
texanhead08 said:
That's true with any other organization, but with the Texans a top 5 pick means its time to take another defensive lineman.
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Well obviously you fire O'Brien/Smith once that pick is secured and bring in competent replacements so that doesn't happen.

This is the Texans we're talking about though.
 
The only sliver of a doubt I can give him right now is that he's only 23 games into being an NFL HC...however, if he's so bullheaded as not to see that there is a major problem with his DC and OC then he needs to leave along with them. Time to make the difficult decision, sink with the ship or sacrifice your coordinators.
 
WolverineFan said:
Well obviously you fire O'Brien/Smith once that pick is secured and bring in competent replacements so that doesn't happen.

This is the Texans we're talking about though.
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I have been scream for Rickie to be gone for years. Its ******* amazing he was basically hired by Kubes to handle personnel but he escaped all blame when the wheels fell off for him, and I wouldn't be surprised if he escaped it again if the wheels come off for ole Billy.
 
PapaL said:
The only sliver of a doubt I can give him right now is that he's only 23 games into being an NFL HC...however, if he's so bullheaded as not to see that there is a major problem with his DC and OC then he needs to leave along with them. Time to make the difficult decision, sink with the ship or sacrifice your coordinators.
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At first I was thinking "This guy can't tell **** from Shinola" but then after a few "confirmation appearances" I realized that both Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett are **** so I had to give OB that one.

Then I considered it more and realized that this guy isn't even smart enough to keep the turd he finally got to take a little polish (Fitz) over another one that he thinks he can shine up better (Hoyer) and that's when I decided that I was sure he was too thick to succeed at this level.
 
Hervoyel said:
At first I was thinking "This guy can't tell **** from Shinola" but then after a few "confirmation appearances" I realized that both Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett are **** so I had to give OB that one.

Then I considered it more and realized that this guy isn't even smart enough to keep the turd he finally got to take a little polish (Fitz) over another one that he thinks he can shine up better (Hoyer) and that's when I decided that I was sure he was too thick to succeed at this level.
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Well there's that too lol

I'd be willing to give him until the end of the year if both DC and OC were replaced AND the team improved. It looks like there is a whole lot of quit on this team. Someone has to be held accountable.
 
Hervoyel said:
At first I was thinking "This guy can't tell **** from Shinola" but then after a few "confirmation appearances" I realized that both Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett are **** so I had to give OB that one.

Then I considered it more and realized that this guy isn't even smart enough to keep the turd he finally got to take a little polish (Fitz) over another one that he thinks he can shine up better (Hoyer) and that's when I decided that I was sure he was too thick to succeed at this level.
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Obviously he can tell the difference between **** and shinola, because he got Fitz to take a shine! :kitten:
He just can't tell what an NFL caliber QB looks like after "coaching" Tom Brady for a bit.
 
A positive about Bill O'Brien is that it appears that he was against us being on Hard Knocks, viewing it as the death knell that is.

He never came out and overtly bashed it, yet he dropped hints here and there that it was a nuisance and unnecessary. His remarks, afterwards, were that the day the television crews left, it was a very happy day in his life.

That alone is shows more sense than Bob McNair has. I know it's all show business - which includes the whole NFL - and show business means more revenue, yet true to form a coach should not concern himself with the Hollywood aspect of the business; so if anything gets in the way of winning, he shouldn't be for it.

I'm not an OB fan, per se, because he hasn't showed me much; still, some signs are pointing towards him being shoehorned between the owner and Rick Smith...and we may never know that if OB actually believes in most of the guys we have, or if he's just been playing the cards that's been dealt him.
 
Exascor said:
Devil's Advocate: Flip 2014 and 2015 records. If what happened this year happened last year, nobody would be calling for his job. Maybe he should get a little credit for last year and get the chance to win the division this year before caning him.

(Auto correct changed canning to caning. I am choosing to leave it.)
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I only clicked Like because I am an advocate of caning O'Brien.
 
Scooter said:
We may be able to break all sorts of records with O'Brien. Like 25 completions in a row. Or has a team ever allowed 35 points in the first 16 minutes of a game? We could become an all time great ... for everyone else.
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lol....spot on
 
Exascor said:
Devil's Advocate: Flip 2014 and 2015 records. If what happened this year happened last year, nobody would be calling for his job. Maybe he should get a little credit for last year and get the chance to win the division this year before caning him.

(Auto correct changed canning to caning. I am choosing to leave it.)
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I've noted a few times that it was fortuitous turnovers that got the Texans to a 9-7 record last year. And another ridiculous year from JJ Watt.
 
On a week by week basis, I will pick up a receiver from the opposing team and start him on my fantasy roster.

*Championship*

That's why O'Brien needs to stay.
And only that.
 
I didn't realize it's BOB's fault that Romeo's defense gave up 35 points in 1 half. He is an offensive guy. He needs to fire RAC and either switch to a 4-3 or get new pieces to this defense because the players we have don't fit.

Crick is 275 pounds he should not be a DE in a 3-4.

Rahim Moore and Hal can't tackle. We had better production from Kendrick Lewis.

Vince is done. Can we still bring back the ageless wonder know as Ryan Pickett?

They shutdown Watt and Clowney and nobody else can handle their 1 on 1 assignments.

Not saying BOB doesn't deserve some blame because he didn't put any points on the board until after half but last year we were successful as a team because we ran the ball hard and had a stout defense. We won low scoring games.

Not this year.

We need a QB, a RB, a switch to a 4-3 or new pieces defensively for the 3-4. (Oh, and Rick Smith needs to go.)
 
Hervoyel said:
Just out of curiosity and because I don't usually pay attention to college football in nearly the kind of detail I do the pro game.... Is there a freakishly big workout-warrior type DL out there starting to look like a top five pick at the moment?

I bet there is and I bet he hasn't performed the way he is now for more than a year at most.
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Well, there is Bosa from Ohio state.

2. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State (6-5, 275, 4.82)
After an All-American sophomore season with 21 tackles for loss, 13.5 sacks and four forced fumbles in 2014, Bosa is often mentioned as the favorite to be next year's No. 1 overall pick, despite a one-game suspension that will keep him sidelined for the season opener at Virginia Tech. While the production is impressive, his tape is even better as he offers the physical skill-set coveted by NFL scouts as well as the veteran awareness and technique that few 20-year-olds possess. Bosa is built for the pro game with grown man strength, excellent flexibility and the secondary quickness to constrict the offensive game plan.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...aremy-tunsil-joey-bosa-top-underclassmen-crop



I was thinking about it though and I think McNair may force an early pick at qb or strongly suggest it. I don't know though because of his comments about not needing a star at that position or whatever the hell he said. If he still feels that way though Bosa may be on the table.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
I didn't realize it's BOB's fault that Romeo's defense gave up 35 points in 1 half. He is an offensive guy. He needs to fire RAC and either switch to a 4-3 or get new pieces to this defense because the players we have don't fit.
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We had 7 possessions in a row that were either 3 & out, or a pick six before we got our first first down.

We failed miserably on both sides of the ball. That's the HC's fault.
 
The only thing I can come up with is......
Respected family man with good values and work ethic. And not his fault he was hired to coach the Texans.
 
...because McNair isn't going to can him after one and a half seasons. Honestly, not even sure McNair has the nerve to make any damn changes to this crap we have to torture ourselves with every week. But if BoB stays this things should happen.

1. Get a real freaking GM. Not some damn decoration/mouth piece
2. Take away BoB's personnel power. He has too much for a guy who never was a headcoach in the NFL as it is and obviously sucks at it
3. Get rid of Romeo who couldn't charm Juliet right now with his horrible defenses. Shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
4. Get rid of Godfrey too while you're at it.
5. Get a real freaking QB or someone worth developing

Okay, this is partially a rant because I am so worn out from all this. As someone who was also an Oilers fan I am beginning to wonder will I ever see a damn Houston football team in the Superbowl. Hell, at least the Oilers were competitive. This team is the one of the most profitable in the league but damn near year in and year out we're subject to a bunch of BS on the field. It's getting really old and the worse part is I'll be right back there cheering next week too.
 
deucetx said:
...because McNair isn't going to can him after one and a half seasons. Honestly, not even sure McNair has the nerve to make any damn changes to this crap we have to torture ourselves with every week. But if BoB stays this things should happen.

1. Get a real freaking GM. Not some damn decoration/mouth piece
2. Take away BoB's personnel power. He has too much for a guy who never was a headcoach in the NFL as it is and obviously sucks at it
3. Get rid of Romeo who couldn't charm Juliet right now with his horrible defenses. Shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
4. Get rid of Godfrey too while you're at it.
5. Get a real freaking QB or someone worth developing

Okay, this is partially a rant because I am so worn out from all this. As someone who was also an Oilers fan I am beginning to wonder will I ever see a damn Houston football team in the Superbowl. Hell, at least the Oilers were competitive. This team is the one of the most profitable in the league but damn near year in and year out we're subject to a bunch of BS on the field. It's getting really old and the worse part is I'll be right back there cheering next week too.
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Agree with all the above.
The Oilers coaches and players were luved. This team is just the opposite.
 
Presser is live now. Gotta coach better, blah, blah, blah. Shut the hell up already! and yes, he said it again...."We have to go out and win the second half, and we did. We won the second half." wth?

Participation trophy or what!?
 
thunderkyss said:
We had 7 possessions in a row that were either 3 & out, or a pick six before we got our first first down.

We failed miserably on both sides of the ball. That's the HC's fault.
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I agree but not every game needs to be a shoot out. Titans and Falcons finished 10-7. For the last few years it felt like every Steelers/Ravens game ended 13-10.

I put more blame on the defense than I do the offense but both sides were terrible and I agree that falls on the HC.

You don't fire your coach going into his 2nd year unless you're ready to continue losing for many more years. Dan Campbell has won 2 games, he's not coach of the year. You're not going to find a Bruce Arian ' s every year or teams wouldn't continue firing coaches. You risk getting worse or staying as bad as we are now. (Yes, we can look worse)

If by the end of his 3rd season and there's no progress or we've regressed then you pull the plug.

I do believe someone needs to be axed mid-season, though. (RAC or RM)
 
so... OBrien actually did the monday press conference himself...

how many times did he say "we have to coach better and play better" ?
 
Meh. I've never felt so indifferent. All interest gone. I'll still watch. They're still MY team. Forever a fan. With that said Its dissapointing to say the least. I had high hopes for O'Brien. The backstory was nice, but he's overwhelmed in a HC capacity. Some guys are just bad ass assistants, I think he's one of those guys. Front and center dudes need to have a feel for the game, its innate. HIs timing is off. Challenges bad plays, bad timeout management. For a guy who is so outspoken to his guys at practice and at meetings he seems to shrivel up on the sidelines. His buddies have failed him too. Its not just him. As coaches they have to put their guys in positions to succeed, adapting to the personnel and holy **** I just noticed I'm ranting.......

O'Brien will still be coach because Bob McNair is a nice guy. Maybe he does something next year, surely Rick Smith gets the long awaited promotion to anything thats as far away from personnel as possible.

I'll find joy in the shock and awe of the AFC "Champion" winning the division with 6 or 7 wins. (In that sense the Texans wont ever be out of it this season-woohoo)
 
gwallaia said:
:toropalm::wadepalm::vincepalm::hankpalm::kubepalm::mariopalm:

He needs to stay around until he gets his own face palm.
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Given the shape of the man's chin I suggest you use this one:
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AngryNateFTW said:
I agree but not every game needs to be a shoot out. Titans and Falcons finished 10-7. For the last few years it felt like every Steelers/Ravens game ended 13-10.

I put more blame on the defense than I do the offense but both sides were terrible and I agree that falls on the HC.

You don't fire your coach going into his 2nd year unless you're ready to continue losing for many more years. Dan Campbell has won 2 games, he's not coach of the year. You're not going to find a Bruce Arian ' s every year or teams wouldn't continue firing coaches. You risk getting worse or staying as bad as we are now. (Yes, we can look worse)

If by the end of his 3rd season and there's no progress or we've regressed then you pull the plug.

I do believe someone needs to be axed mid-season, though. (RAC or RM)
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I generally agree with the bolded. Maybe it's emotional and knee jerk, but I think the Texans will continue losing for many years regardless.

I'm also putting more on the D than the O. I think we all knew that the O would struggle with the QB options (it's amazing how wrong us Mallett fans were) and nothing at RB behind AF. I'm also all for Smith and RAC being shown the door.

As far as Campbell goes, he may not be coach of the year after two games, but you've got to look at the way his team won those games. Those were two dominating wins over teams that the 'Fins closely resembled after 5 games. I'm impressed with what he's done so far.

Maybe Mr. McNair should bring in another consultant like he did when Capers was fired. Just not Dan Reeves. LOL
 
gwallaia said:
:toropalm::wadepalm::vincepalm::hankpalm::kubepalm::mariopalm:

He needs to stay around until he gets his own face palm.
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He deserves a 3rd season, or half of a third season if it starts off like this season anyway. I don't think we can make a judgement in his sophomore year just like you can't with players. That said, he needs to do something about the DC, and the OC because they are just not getting it done.
 
I feel sorry for OB. The man's brain has to be so mangled by now that if he changed into a werewolf he'd bite his own leg off.
 
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