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Some running back trivia for the Texans:

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chall8

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Who was the last running back to be drafted with the #1 pick that went on to help his team win the championship?

Answer: Paul Horning (early 60's with Packers)

As Kubiak himself would tell you, you don't have to take a RB in the first round (much less the #1 pick) to have a solid ground game.
 
chall8 said:
Who was the last running back to be drafted with the #1 pick that went on to help his team win the championship?

Answer: Paul Horning (early 60's with Packers)

As Kubiak himself would tell you, you don't have to take a RB in the first round (much less the #1 pick) to have a solid ground game.
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Who was the last RB with a legit shot at running a sub 4.2 forty? No one!
 
chall8 said:
Who was the last running back to be drafted with the #1 pick that went on to help his team win the championship?

Answer: Paul Horning (early 60's with Packers)

As Kubiak himself would tell you, you don't have to take a RB in the first round (much less the #1 pick) to have a solid ground game.
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Hornung was actually a halfback. ;)

Historicals do not bear our the result we are looking for, but hey a once in a lifetime player, such as Bush, only comes once in a lifetime.

Trade down for the love of God. :)
 
The thing with Bush is that I could very easily see him becomming more than a runningback. He would basically be a skilled possition specialist. Lineing up as a wideout, in the slot and backfield. The best at what they do trancend lables.
 
HardKnockTexan said:
The thing with Bush is that I could very easily see him becomming more than a runningback. He would basically be a skilled possition specialist. Lineing up as a wideout, in the slot and backfield. The best at what they do trancend lables.
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I see Bush as a Westbrook type running back.
 
I'm still waiting to hear a legit, evidence-based argument as to why Reggie Bush is a "once in a lifetime" back. Guys with speed are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

I'm not saying he's not a great talent that would help any team, I'm just saying he's not the answer to the Texan's multitude of problems.

Take a look at the Broncos and Steelers. We need defense.
 
El Tejano said:
I see Bush as a Westbrook type running back.
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Hopefully he'll be like Westbrook when recieving out of the backfield, Like Steve Smith when lined up at wide out and like Warrick Dunn when running the ball.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Elway was the last the last #1 to start in a Super Bowl and win. Bledsoe was the last to be on a roster of the champ.
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Question was who was the last QB drafted #1 and helped his team win a championship, not who was the last QB to win a championship that was drafted #1...
 
bdiddy said:
Who was the last RB with a legit shot at running a sub 4.2 forty? No one!
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I usually try to ignore the Bush/VY hype, but if you meant to imply that Bush would run a sub 4.2 forty ... did you? Do you read what you type before you hit Submit?
 
texan279 said:
Question was who was the last QB drafted #1 and helped his team win a championship, not who was the last QB to win a championship that was drafted #1...
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Looks like we both stand corrected:
Who was the last running back to be drafted with the #1 pick that went on to help his team win the championship?

The answer would be Drew Bledsoe.
 
jerek said:
I usually try to ignore the Bush/VY hype, but if you meant to imply that Bush would run a sub 4.2 forty ... did you? Do you read what you type before you hit Submit?
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All I've been able to find is a 4.41 (estimated) 40 time, which is fast.. but not elite when it comes to NFL speed.

It's his shiftyness and vission which is why he is being considered one of the best prospects of all time, not his speed.
 
chall8 said:
Who was the last running back to be drafted with the #1 pick that went on to help his team win the championship?

Answer: Paul Horning (early 60's with Packers)

As Kubiak himself would tell you, you don't have to take a RB in the first round (much less the #1 pick) to have a solid ground game.
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Shanahan/Kubiak also would say you don't need to take a QB in the first round (they've at least taken two RBs in the 2nd round while the highest QB they took was Brian Griese in the 3rd round the year Elway retired)

chall8 said:
I'm still waiting to hear a legit, evidence-based argument as to why Reggie Bush is a "once in a lifetime" back. Guys with speed are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

I'm not saying he's not a great talent that would help any team, I'm just saying he's not the answer to the Texan's multitude of problems.

Take a look at the Broncos and Steelers. We need defense.
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I have also wondered exaclty how Bush is a once in a lifetime prospect, but I've wondered the same about Vince Young too. I agree that we should trade down to best help our team.

Bush will not run a sub-4.2 forty, that has only been done once in the history of football that I am aware of, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him only run a 4.32-4.35 if he actually runs at the combine.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Looks like we both stand corrected:
Who was the last running back to be drafted with the #1 pick that went on to help his team win the championship?

The answer would be Drew Bledsoe.
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Bledose played in one Super Bowl against Green Bay and lost...
 
chall8 said:
I'm still waiting to hear a legit, evidence-based argument as to why Reggie Bush is a "once in a lifetime" back. Guys with speed are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

I'm not saying he's not a great talent that would help any team, I'm just saying he's not the answer to the Texan's multitude of problems.

Take a look at the Broncos and Steelers. We need defense.
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Name one player that is the anwser. There isnt one player that will even come close to solving our problems. But bush is a good start.
 
Bledsoe also won one in 2001 when Brady was the starter. Bledsoe was key to finishing off the Steelers in Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game. While he didn't contribute to the Super Bowl win itself, he did contribute to them getting a championship.

That said, how many QB's have been taken #1 overall and how many RB's have been taken #1 overall. I would imagine there is a huge difference in the totals over the past 30 years.
 
texan279 said:
Bledose played in one Super Bowl against Green Bay and lost...
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It is a case of semantics, but in starting two games as QB that season he was a #1 pick that went onto help his team win the championship.
 
TheOgre said:
Bledsoe also won one in 2001 when Brady was the starter. Bledsoe was key to finishing off the Steelers in Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game. While he didn't contribute to the Super Bowl win itself, he did contribute to them getting a championship.

That said, how many QB's have been taken #1 overall and how many RB's have been taken #1 overall. I would imagine there is a huge difference in the totals over the past 30 years.
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Here is the list

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ones
 
starting in 1960 that's 11 runningbacks going #1 to 16 QB's getting the top pick.

Its not a fair judgment going back too far since they didnt start the whole foward pass thing untill the 50's... I think.
 
If my counting is correct, only 11 of the 70 #1 picks have gone onto the HOF. Obviously there are many that are not eligible for the Hall as of yet, but the #1 appears to be more of a pariah than a barometer for the sure thing.
 
Kaiser Toro, that's my point. The "experts" have been wrong with the #1 pick more often than right. And I personally think they're wrong this time.

If the Texans were one playmaker away from making some noise then I'd say go for it, but we're soooooo far away in so many different areas, particularly defense.
 
Id like to point everyone towards the 1978 draft and the little asterisk there :)

Seriously.. why do we put so much weight in "patterns" ?

How about this.. who was the last RB taken #1 overall that went to a team that ran a zone blocking system and just hired a new head coach which brought with him the mastermind Olinecoach that made his previous team the best rushing team in football for the last 6 years?

or how about.. who was the last team to draft a QB #1 overall twice in 5 years?

matter of fact.. why dont we take a look at the teams that picked RBs #1 overall. The Bengals? there is a winning team right there. They drafted Carter in the hayday of their sucktitude. Obviously not the smartest GM. Bo Jackson to Tampa Bay... not the best team at the time.. But still I dont think anyone would say that Jackson was a bad pick. George Rogers to new orleans.. another bad team. Earl Campbel drafted by Houston..a good team at the time making a good pick.

I dont beleive we are a bad team. I beleive we had a bad year.. with a bad coaching staff.. and with a few weak starters. I dont think we will fall into the same rut as teams like the Bengals, Saints, Cardinals, and Lions. Good teams make good use of their draft picks.. bad teams make stupid picks. The Bad teams end up with the #1 overall usually.. and so they make bad picks.. and then it skews the results.
 
bdiddy said:
Who was the last RB with a legit shot at running a sub 4.2 forty? No one!
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He'll run a 4.2 according to the NFC teams and a 4.3 - 4.4 according to AFC teams.
This will an attempt for AFC to try to keep him out of the AFC and vice/versa.
 
What does history have to do with Reggie Bush?? He wasnt around when Rb's were picked and won or didnt win superbowls, neither was Vince Young...

Maybe Casserly and Kubiak should see what position picked at # 1 has led his team to more superbowls and pick that position first....thats got to be the secret formula:rolleyes:
 
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