Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most glaring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years other than Sloan Thomas in the 7th round or have any players from this university on the roster period either through the draft or free agency.
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Texans Will Not Draft Longhorns
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jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Won't draft Longhorns? That's a bit of a conspiracy theory, isn't it?
I too questioned the passover of Derrick Johnson last year, and I too would have liked to see him wearing Texans blue this season.
But a guy can be stupid for a lot of reasons. He doesn't have to entertain a blind prejudice in the process.
I too questioned the passover of Derrick Johnson last year, and I too would have liked to see him wearing Texans blue this season.
But a guy can be stupid for a lot of reasons. He doesn't have to entertain a blind prejudice in the process.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
profan said:
Outside of DJ and Benson, there really has not been a guy that I wanted for the Texans and I did not feel that they were a fit. This year there are three that are at need positions - Jon Scott, Rod Wright and Michael Huff.
swisher
Old School
The Texans have drafted exactly one Longhorn (Sloan Thomas), Aggie (Chance Pearce) and Red Raider (B.J. Symons).
No one from Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU or any other Texas school.
They have never drafted a player from:
USC (yet)
Penn State
West Virginia
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
UCLA
Auburn
Wisconsin
Boston College
Clemson
Oklahoma
Cal
All of these teams finished in the top 25 this year. So what's your point?
http://www.drafthistory.com/team-college/texans.html
No one from Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU or any other Texas school.
They have never drafted a player from:
USC (yet)
Penn State
West Virginia
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
UCLA
Auburn
Wisconsin
Boston College
Clemson
Oklahoma
Cal
All of these teams finished in the top 25 this year. So what's your point?
http://www.drafthistory.com/team-college/texans.html
What's so funny is the Texans are not going to draft VY or RB! LOL
They are going to re-sign D Carr, which we all know.
And trade down. Reggie or Vince won't be here..LOL
If they we're smart, they would work on drafting both. That should be the focus after the HC is hired.. Why pick just one when you have the cards to pick both!!!
They are going to re-sign D Carr, which we all know.
And trade down. Reggie or Vince won't be here..LOL
If they we're smart, they would work on drafting both. That should be the focus after the HC is hired.. Why pick just one when you have the cards to pick both!!!
Texans Honk
Practice Squad
profan said:
I thought McNair's son is a UT alumni?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
profan said:
I stand corrected. DT would be a 3-4 round candidate for a need position, in my opinion.
swisher said:
Maybe not drafted, but we do have players from a good number of these teams on our roster. My point is i do not think the texans will draft a player from ut for one reason or another. That's my point. So don't get your hopes up that any of these players will be coming here.
CenTexNative
Waterboy
You expect them to draft from everyone in only 4 years....not gonna happen. Give them time.
No just draft, i'm talking also about free agency, etc. We have never had one longhorn on our roster. Don't expect them to draft everyone. They really don't need any more time than this year and i'm not referring to vy. There are numerous other players that the texans can use. If they are not available, then, i can live with that, but if we pass them up again(derrick johnston), then i will not be happy.CenTexNative said:
Jack Bauer
Rookie
swisher said:
This also blows your, we have never drafted a player from the University of Texas statement. He was drafted by the Texans.
QB Vince Young- top 3
FS/SS/CB Michael Huff- top 15
LT Jonathon Scott- top 25
DT Rod Wright- top 35
CB Cedric Griffin- top 100
TE David Thomas- top 115
RG Will Allen- top 125
LB Aaron Harris- top 150
will anyone be suspicious if we don't end up with ANY, considering all of them are at positions that could use an upgrade or depth?
FS/SS/CB Michael Huff- top 15
LT Jonathon Scott- top 25
DT Rod Wright- top 35
CB Cedric Griffin- top 100
TE David Thomas- top 115
RG Will Allen- top 125
LB Aaron Harris- top 150
will anyone be suspicious if we don't end up with ANY, considering all of them are at positions that could use an upgrade or depth?
Jack Bauer
Rookie
stevo3883 said:
No, if they have players above them on their board, why would they take that player just because they went to UT? If they have someone else above them and draft the player from UT, they should be fired for doing so.
If the Texans slot comes up and the top ranked player on their board went to UT, they would select that player.
Zephyr said:
Yea, but the will the texans ever put a ut player in that position. Derrick Johnson was there last year and the texans dropped down and did not take him. Would not mind having Nathan Vasher in our secondary.
And yes, i did make a mistake on Thomas and will edit my post. We took him in the 7th round.
Man, we're dragging the waters with this thread. Does anyone honestly believe a CON$piracy exists in the Texans front office against UT players?
Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk.
They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.
Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk.
They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.
Double Barrel said:Man, we're dragging the waters with this thread. Does anyone honestly believe a CON$piracy exists in the Texans front office against UT players?
Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk.
They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.
but last years actions don't point to that.
Talent- DJ amazing talent
Need- TJ drafted as depth, DJ wouldve started immediately
BPA- TJ wasn't close to the BPA on anyones board i know of
yet our decision- Draft a backup DT with a so-so senior season
Jack Bauer
Rookie
Double Barrel said:Man, we're dragging the waters with this thread. Does anyone honestly believe a CON$piracy exists in the Texans front office against UT players?
Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk.
They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.
Ditto. I don't know how someone could think this.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Could the burnt oranges cry any more? It's the NFL, not college.
stevo3883 said:
Well, "need" and "talent" are subjective terms. I'm not saying the Texans front office always got it right, but in their own eyes, they chose who they thought was right at the time.
But one thing I am sure of: school affiliation has absolutely no bearing on the decision making process. It would not be logical or prudent.
swisher said:
I sometimes wonder that isn't a part of our problem, we don't draft enough players from big time college programs or conferences.
Look at our roster and look where most of our better players come from.
AJ - Miami
DD- LSU
DRob- South Carolina (SEC)
Gaffney- Florida
the Question marks on our team
Carr- Freseno State
Peak- Cinci
Babin- Western Michigan
OLB is a perfect example of what I am trying to get accross. Babin and Peak both have the physical tools to play, but never have been outstanding. But we put in Shantee Orr (Michigan) and he gets more sacks than anyone if less than half the games. There is more to football than a big body with good speed, there instincts and football knowledge. To me what level of college football you played is just as important as a 40 time.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
V Man said:To me what level of college football you played is just as important as a 40 time.
That seems to be a little bit of a skewed perspective. Dallas seemed to do fine with Demarcus Ware out of Troy. Definately not in a top flight division. Heck you could toss in Lefty, Big Ben, and anyone else who played in the MAC. It certainly hasn't been considered an elite conference. Going old school you could toss in the likes of a Steve McNair or Jerry Rice who all came from small schools in small conferences.
I really don't see how what school a player went to or what conference he played in has any weight with NFL front office people. They draft whom they feel best fits what they're looking for and whether they played in the Pac 10 or the MAC is irrelevant.
As for the UT conspiracy theory I wouldn't put much into it. As Swisher pointed out there are a ton of schools where we haven't drafted a player from yet. Heck, I'm a Baylor alum, and you won't find me on the board pimping Willie Andrews or Allred even though they're both prospects in the upcoming draft. Come to think of it I don't recall the Texans ever having a Baylor Bear on their roster (practice squad or otherwise). They never acquired one through the draft or FA either. As a matter of fact Bob McNair didn't send either of his sons to attend Baylor. I smell something fishy. It must be a massive conspiracy by Bob McNair and the Texans.
TheOgre
All Pro
stevo3883 said:
I don't see us needing Wright or Young. We won't draft Huff since he won't be on the board in the 2nd. The same might be the case with Scott. David Thomas would be a nice addition to the passing game, but I don't like his blocking skills. Who knows if we will take or have a shot at Griffin, Allen or Harris around the time they should go. I'm an UT alumni, but I don't expect the team to take Horns just because they can. I did scratch my head when they passed up Simms for Ragone and DJ for TJ, but I wonder if my own biases played into that.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
V Man said:I sometimes wonder that isn't a part of our problem, we don't draft enough players from big time college programs or conferences.
Look at our roster and look where most of our better players come from.
AJ - Miami
DD- LSU
DRob- South Carolina (SEC)
Gaffney- Florida
the Question marks on our team
Carr- Freseno State
Peak- Cinci
Babin- Western Michigan
OLB is a perfect example of what I am trying to get accross. Babin and Peak both have the physical tools to play, but never have been outstanding. But we put in Shantee Orr (Michigan) and he gets more sacks than anyone if less than half the games. There is more to football than a big body with good speed, there instincts and football knowledge. To me what level of college football you played is just as important as a 40 time.
thats a heck of a theory.....i had never even considered that.....but on the other hand, we have had less than stellar performances from big schools
travis johnson
and pro bowl caliber performances from small schools
jerome mathis-hampton
texasguy346 said:That seems to be a little bit of a skewed perspective. Dallas seemed to do fine with Demarcus Ware out of Troy. Definately not in a top flight division. Heck you could toss in Lefty, Big Ben, and anyone else who played in the MAC. It certainly hasn't been considered an elite conference. Going old school you could toss in the likes of a Steve McNair or Jerry Rice who all came from small schools in small conferences.
I really don't see how what school a player went to or what conference he played in has any weight with NFL front office people. They draft whom they feel best fits what they're looking for and whether they played in the Pac 10 or the MAC is irrelevant.
As for the UT conspiracy theory I wouldn't put much into it. As Swisher pointed out there are a ton of schools where we haven't drafted a player from yet. Heck, I'm a Baylor alum, and you won't find me on the board pimping Willie Andrews or Allred even though they're both prospects in the upcoming draft. Come to think of it I don't recall the Texans ever having a Baylor Bear on their roster (practice squad or otherwise). They never acquired one through the draft or FA either. As a matter of fact Bob McNair didn't send either of his sons to attend Baylor. I smell something fishy. It must be a massive conspiracy by Bob McNair and the Texans.
I don't disagree with you, there are good players that come from smaller schools (many if fact, Mathis on the Texans in fact). But to say the level of competition doesn't matter is foolish. We passed on Bob Sanders, many say because at 5'8" he was too short. But he played against top competition, and now he starts for Indy, and is better than anything we have at safety. People sometimes just get too lost up in the players size and speed, and forget to see if they can actually play football.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
V Man said:
It is a case by case basis, plain and simple.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
stevo3883 said:
True, but the case has been made over and over again in the draft that what conference you played in doesn't matter much. As swtbound pointed out, even our own Jerome Mathis came from a small school (Hampton), and is an All Pro in his rookie season. You could even toss in Seth Payne. He definately didn't come from a football powerhouse conference. The NFL is full of players from small schools & conferences that succeed at the next level. Just as it's full of players from big schools & conferences that succeed at the next level. Good players shine whether they're from a big or small school/conference.
T
texandevildog
Guest
swisher said:
I think they should trade down third or fouth place. Take the New York Jets for example, we get there two best offensive lineman, and Vilma, and maybe a second or third round pick. And with the forth pick select A.J. Hawk. This way they can re-build the poor offensive line and get two young very good defensive prospects. With the second round, either get a DE or a WR.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
V Man said:
Bob Sanders was taken in the 2nd I believe. Whereas CC Brown was taken in the 6th Round. Big difference as to where they were drafted. Quite frankly I think Brown did very well considering the defense he was in. Do you really think Sanders would've make a dramatic improvement in our defense? If so do you really think he was worth the 16th pick in the draft? I think our biggest weakness at safety was Coleman. A Red Raider, and a guy from the Big 12. It seemed that our defense improved slightly with Earl and Brown at the safety spots. Did Brown play better than Coleman? I think so.
You could make a great case for saying that our front office was poor at prioritizing our need positions in the draft. There are plenty of examples of that, but do you really think that players drafted from small schools are the problem with the Texans? Or just a poorly managed scouting department?
As for your last statement I agree whole heartedly. The same is true, however, for what conference a player plays in. People sometimes just get too lost up in what conference a player plays in, and forget to see if they can actually play football.
El Tejano said:
I don't think casserly will have as much control in this draft that he has had in the past. I think the owner will be more involved and may get some input from Reeves and the new HC would certainly have some input. I just don't see ownership allowing casserly to screw up this important draft.
ZipDog
Practice Squad
jerek said:
Well, as a new poster here (I only read the last year or so), I thought about where to post my thoughts on the 2006 NFL Draft. Your comments spurred me to decide on this thread.
I live in Amarillo, Texas; and, up here, the Dallas Cowboys are kings. However, many of us looked forward to the new franchise in Houston. We followed the events leading to the decision on the nickname, the colors, the stadium, the early drafts, and (especially) the games.
The CBS affiliate up here in the Panhandle actually showed the Texans games for awhile!! How cool was that?!? About halfway through this past regular season, however, these TV guys reverted to their previous practice of televising the Denver Broncos games. Do you have any idea how that grates on a Texan?
To the point: from both a marketer's standpoint and a football standpoint, Vince Young makes sense to the Houston Texans. Reggie Bush will be good, if he has blocking, which the Texans have NEVER had. Leinart is a stiff, just like David Carr. Young is a player who is likely to change the paradigm of NFL QB play, a paradigm started (but not yet completed) by Michael Vick. I would hate to see (or, depending on where Young goes, NEVER see) another NFL team go to a Super Bowl because the Houston Texans stuck with a regressing "project" like David Carr. Trade this guy to the Jets or Dolphins or...heck....even Dallas!
Just my opinion, of course....but, we disenfranchised Houston Texans fans up here in the Texas Panhandle would love to be able to watch the Texans, again. And, Vince Young would ensure that prospect. Selfish? Yes! Smart? I think so.....
swtbound07 said:
Agreed, I just come draft day have another Babin experience, where we trade several picks for some player you barely ever heard of that ran a good 40 at the combine.
As for Mathis, I thought we got him in the right round, maybe even one lower (I liked him in the 3rd), but we didn't trade the farm to move a draft him to high.