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New York Giants pull $60M offer to Jason Pierre-Paul

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The New York Giants are withdrawing their $60 million long-term contract offer to Jason Pierre-Paul following the star pass rusher's fireworks incident over the weekend, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday, per three sources informed of the situation.

JPP suffered a hand injury Saturday night while attempting to light fireworks. He required hospitalization. Rapoport reported JPP's hand will be intact, and as of Sunday night, doctors were still examining for nerve damage and other issues related to the incident.

Given the timing of the event and the apparent judgment displayed, the Giants do not believe a long-term offer is in the best interest of those involved at this point, per Rapoport.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ork-giants-pull-60m-offer-to-jason-pierrepaul
 
Reports are now coming out that he sustained burns to both of his hands and that there may be finger nerve damage. This, along with reports saying that he may not be ready to go for the season opener , lends itself to the probability that some of the burns are 3rd degree (full-thickness through the skin). This could change the ultimate prognosis significantly, as this type of burn could likely require skin grafting rather than simple secondary healing seen in 2nd degree burns (partial-thickness into the skin............10 weeks would be more than enough time for a 2nd degree burn to heal spontaneously.) and make complications such as infection, numbness, severe long-term tenderness and scar contracture affecting the functionality of the hand a real concern.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Reports are now coming out that he sustained burns to both of his hands, 3 fingers of one hand and that there may be finger nerve damage. This, along with reports saying that he may not be ready to go for the season opener , lends itself to the probability that some of the burns are 3rd degree (full-thickness through the skin). This could change the ultimate prognosis significantly, as this type of burn could require skin grafting rather than simple secondary healing seen in 2nd degree burns (partial-thickness into the skin............10 weeks would be more than enough time for a 2nd degree burn to heal spontaneously [usually no more than 4 weeks.) and make complications such as infection, blood supply problems [especially with severe compressive swelling], numbness, severe long-term tenderness and scar contracture affecting the functionality of the hand a real concern.
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Just an FYI. Fireworks burns and the damage they can produce are not to be compared to hot water or hot oil burns. All fireworks burn at extremely high temperatures. The lowly sparkler reaches a temperature of up to 2,000°C.............that's approximately 20 times the boiling point of water........and enough to easily melt many metals.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Just an FYI. Fireworks burns and the damage they can produce are not to be compared to hot water or hot oil burns. All fireworks burn at extremely high temperatures. A sparkler reaches a temperature of up to 2,000°C.............that's approximately 20 times the boiling point of water.
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Dude - step away from being a Doc for just a minute.

Relax. Breath.

Joy isn't encapsulated in safe.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Just an FYI. Fireworks burns and the damage they can produce are not to be compared to hot water or hot oil burns. All fireworks burn at extremely high temperatures. The lowly sparkler reaches a temperature of up to 2,000°C.............that's approximately 20 times the boiling point of water........and enough to easily melt many metals.
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Now I know what I'll use to bust my buddies out of jail.
 
infantrycak said:
Dude - step away from being a Doc for just a minute.

Relax. Breath.

Joy isn't encapsulated in safe.
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There is no way I have or would advocate taking the joy of experiencing and setting off fireworks responsibly away from anyone. However, if I could, I would want to take away his or anyone else's enjoyment of experiencing fireworks burns. The sole purpose of my post that you quoted was to put into meaningful perspective the potential extent of the burns and its potential damage to the hands that he may be dealing with.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
There is no way I have or would advocate taking the joy of experiencing and setting off fireworks responsibly away from anyone. However, if I could, I would want to take away his or anyone else's enjoyment of experiencing fireworks burns. The sole purpose of my post that you quoted was to put into meaningful perspective the potential extent of the burns and its potential damage to the hands that he may be dealing with.
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TBH I was wondering why a fireworks burn would be a reason for the Giants to withdraw a contract until I read your post.
 
He is still being evaluated/treated in the hospital.......not outpatient.......which tells me that initial reports seemed to downplay the implications of his injuries......and that he is indeed dealing with significant 3rd degree burns. This also makes sense when now the report is that he was actually holding the firework while he was lighting it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see his injuries force him to start the season on the active non-football injury list.
 
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...This could change the ultimate prognosis significantly, as this type of burn could likely require skin grafting...
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CloakNNNdagger said:
...I wouldn't be surprised to see his injuries force him to start the season on the active non-football injury list.
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Bingo...

 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Just an FYI. Fireworks burns and the damage they can produce are not to be compared to hot water or hot oil burns. All fireworks burn at extremely high temperatures. The lowly sparkler reaches a temperature of up to 2,000°C.............that's approximately 20 times the boiling point of water........and enough to easily melt many metals.
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Wow, I had no idea that sparklers reached those kinds of temps. And those are the things that everyone gives the little kids when shooting fireworks, too.
 
His hands may not be the full extent of his self-inflicted "wounds."



Giants trainer to visit Jason Pierre-Paul in hospital

By Kevin Patra Around the NFL writer
Updated: July 7, 2015 at 05:07 p.m.

From a legal standpoint, JPP could find himself in trouble for the fireworks that ultimately led to the injury.

Coral Springs (Florida) public information officer, Capt. Brad McKeone confirmed to NFL Media that his department investigated the use of illegal fireworks. However, Coral Springs PD determined the incident did not take place in their jurisdiction, so it stopped being their concern. McKeone added he does not know where the incident occurred.

Other Florida police departments could decide to pursue the case. If JPP were found to be using illegal fireworks he could be charged under Florida statute 791, per McKeone.

"We take a pretty hard stance with fireworks," McKeone told NFL Media about why his office looked into the incident.

If the department where JPP's accident did occur decides to take a similar stance, the defensive end could be in trouble under said department's jurisdiction. Especially with the potential evidence being a U-Haul van full of fireworks.

If charged with a crime, Pierre-Paul would be subject to the NFL's personal conduct policy.
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God'ell coming down hard on a fireworks violator.

I actually could see this happening. LOL
 
The New York Giants' athletic trainer sent to visit Jason Pierre-Paul in the hospital didn't end up seeing the pass rusher on Tuesday.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports that while the Giants have been briefed on Pierre-Paul's injury, suffered over the weekend in a fireworks accident, the sides did not end up meeting Tuesday. Giants personnel have not yet seen him and might not until he signs his franchise tag, per two sources informed of the situation.

The Giants placed the $14.8 million franchise tag on JPP earlier this year, but the sides weren't close on a deal. While New York revoked a $60 million long-term contract on Monday -- which Pierre-Paul's camp never intended to sign -- Rapoport reports the Giants aren't expected to rescind the franchise tag.

JPP does not plan to sign that tag until he's physically ready to play, per Rapoport.

If Pierre-Paul were to sign the tag, he'd be under contract with the Giants and the team could place him on the Non-Football Injury list, which would allow them not pay him for a portion of the season. By not signing the tender, the only routes the Giants have are 1) to wait until he's healthy enough to sign; or 2) rescind the tag -- which, again, they don't want to do because they would lose a star player for nothing...​
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Worth noting JPP never signed franchise tender, thus he is not under contract to Giants. Team showed up in Florida, but not welcomed there.

Giants officials have come and gone from S. Florida without getting chance to visit the injured JPP, per sources. Made trip, never visited.​
 
Playoffs said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Worth noting JPP never signed franchise tender, thus he is not under contract to Giants. Team showed up in Florida, but not welcomed there.

Giants officials have come and gone from S. Florida without getting chance to visit the injured JPP, per sources. Made trip, never visited.​
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I wonder how offering the franchise tag and then revoking the offer will affect their rights under the collective bargaining agreement? A simple bilateral contract is easier to figure out than a contract made under another terms of another contract with a separate set of obligations.

I suspect that there might be more than one opinion on what happens in this situation.

If I remember right, a contract has to be offered, accepted and delivered (notify offeror of acceptance?) in order to become valid. But I also know Real Property Contracts have special rules and those are the ones I am most familiar with. The most well known special rule is that they must be in writing, but there are others.

Back to the point, If the tender offer is revoked, would that make JPP a free agent after the prescribed offer time expires or has it already expired?
 
Still a franchise tag out there for him to sign.

He was never going to take the $60MM.
 
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StarStruck said:
I just read that index finger will be amputated. :(
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I read that Adam Schefter obtained and released a copy of the medical report which I'm surprised that isn't an HIPA violation as well as unethical. I guess he is well aware of how to obtain records and what can be reported, but it just doesn't feel right.
 
StarStruck said:
I read that Adam Schefter obtained and released a copy of the medical report which I'm surprised that isn't an HIPA violation as well as unethical. I guess he is well aware of how to obtain records and what can be reported, but it just doesn't feel right.
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Bet the player or his representative released that to Schefter.
 
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn

In addition to right index finger amputation as @AdamSchefter reported, I'm told JPP has right thumb fractures. Should heal in 6 weeks​


David J. Chao, MD ‏@ProFootballDoc

My ranking of finger importance in a defensive end: 1) thumb 2) ring 3) pinkie (4th & 5th most important for power grip) 4) middle 5) index

Tweet by @AdamSchefter appears to be a partial operating room schedule. Only indicates what was done this time. Likely 2nd surgery. #JPP

As a team physician, when NFL player admitted to hospital, we routinely used aliases to avoid leaks of medical information like with JPP.

Split thickness skin graft for JPP is actually good news. Less severe than if other types or flap skin procedures. Best recovery/healing.

With news of index amputation, there is clear worry for associated fractures/damage to JPP @Giants thumb. Hope not.

HIPAA laws targeted at initial leak of info (healthcare workers, hospitals, insurances) not at media or others that repeat information.

The worry on JPP @Giants is what injuries his thumb suffered as well. Hoping no additional damage and for full return to football/life.

If a medical provider leaked JPP medical information, that's a big HIPAA violation. Media like @AdamSchefter are not subject to those laws.

Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip. If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL. Wish him the best.

If index finger amputation only injury, JPP @giants will have full recovery & play. Worry is what else injured, blast rarely contained.​
 
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chicagotexan2 said:
Take it easy there Mr. White.

I have to invent a super long fuse attachment or iphone app that ignites fireworks from a safe distance.
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Lot's of RC car parts to accomplish the remainder or phone if you insist. I'd recommend you google search that somewhere other than home though.
 
infantrycak said:
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Lot's of RC car parts to accomplish the remainder or phone if you insist. I'd recommend you google search that somewhere other than home though.
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Oh damn I guess you're right.

Dear NSA I was effing kidding. I am not now nor will I ever be interested in joining ISIS.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Oh damn I guess you're right.

Dear NSA I was effing kidding. I am not now nor will I ever be interested in joining ISIS.
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The funny thing is as a kid I had model rockets, RC cars and reloading equipment (as in 5 lb cans of gunpowder) in the garage - no internet. I kind of crack up when I hear about "sophisticated" "well trained" bad guys because this stuff is kind of literally child's play.
 
New York Giants star Jason Pierre-Paul’s career is now in serious jeopardy. He celebrated the Fourth of July with fireworks but something went horribly wrong. ESPN has now obtained his medical records showing "amputation" of "right index finger." Michael Strahan, former Giants star, expressed doubt that Pierre-Paul will be able to play again. Orthopedic surgeon Dr. Andrew Feldman says the player’s injuries will heal in about six weeks but without an index finger his grip will never be the same.
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not quite sure why he needs grip strength for what he does..barring other fractures.
 
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Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn

In addition to right index finger amputation as @AdamSchefter reported, I'm told JPP has right thumb fractures. Should heal in 6 weeks​


David J. Chao, MD ‏@ProFootballDoc

My ranking of finger importance in a defensive end: 1) thumb 2) ring 3) pinkie (4th & 5th most important for power grip) 4) middle 5) index

Tweet by @AdamSchefter appears to be a partial operating room schedule. Only indicates what was done this time. Likely 2nd surgery. #JPP

As a team physician, when NFL player admitted to hospital, we routinely used aliases to avoid leaks of medical information like with JPP.

Split thickness skin graft for JPP is actually good news. Less severe than if other types or flap skin procedures. Best recovery/healing.

With news of index amputation, there is clear worry for associated fractures/damage to JPP @Giants thumb. Hope not.

HIPAA laws targeted at initial leak of info (healthcare workers, hospitals, insurances) not at media or others that repeat information.

The worry on JPP @Giants is what injuries his thumb suffered as well. Hoping no additional damage and for full return to football/life.

If a medical provider leaked JPP medical information, that's a big HIPAA violation. Media like @AdamSchefter are not subject to those laws.

Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip. If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL. Wish him the best.

If index finger amputation only injury, JPP @giants will have full recovery & play. Worry is what else injured, blast rarely contained.​
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Playoffs,

As we spoke earlier this week, the 3 most commonly digits injured in fireworks accidents in the the thumb, index and middle digits. The extent of the index injury must have been great enough that there was serious concern over the very important sensory level (touch, pain and proprioception) and the range of motion of the digit (frozen joints), even if the wounds themselves were to heal. With injury of his index finger severe enough to consider amputation, it would have been surprising for the thumb to have escaped severe trauma. And indeed it didn't...........there is now confirmation that his thumb sustained fractures, and that in addition to his index amputation, skin grafts were applied to burned areas. It is also likely that there is some significant soft tissue injuries to that thumb, such as tendon and/or ligament structures that could limit its ultimate function.

The type of amputation that PPJ underwent was specifically a "ray" amputation........meaning that the index metacarpal was also removed in order to not leave a "stump" of the index finger that could get in the way on adequate hand function (see below).

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As I've taken care of many fireworks injuries and performed my share of "ray" amputations, I can tell you that his rehab time and his ultimate performance level may not necessarily be cut and dry with so many variables in play.
 
Former Eagles and Jets DE Hugh Douglas says Giants' Jason Pierre-Paul has to re-learn everything

In his time with the Jets and Eagles, Hugh Douglas knew one thing — how to get to the quarterback.

Douglas recorded 80 sacks as a Pro Bowl defensive end, so when he heard about the Giants' Jason Pierre-Paul having to get his right index finger amputated, he cringed.

"I don't know,'' Douglas, now a sports radio host in Atlanta, told NJ Advance Media. "I couldn't imagine having to play without your index finger, especially on your right hand. God gave you five fingers for a reason.

"Just from a tactical standpoint, that's your grabbing hand. To not have an index finger it makes it hard to grab. I'm trying to grab a piece of wood right now and not use my index finger, it's hard. You can't grip. For him as a pass rusher, he's gong to be losing his power.''

Douglas said he played his senior year of college at Central (Ohio) State with a broken thumb.

"That wasn't as bad,'' he said. "They put a cast on it, and it was my left hand. So I didn't use it as much. Still it wasn't as easy as if I didn't have the cast on it.''

For Pierre-Paul, the lost of the finger could mean the loss of a lot more, according to Douglas.

"He's going to have to re-learn everything he does,'' Douglas said. "He's going to have to learn how to use his hand without having an index finger.

"I feel bad for him, I do. I mean, the way it happened is crazy and all, and guys really need to be careful, but he hadn't signed his contract yet. Now, who knows what the Giants are going to do. This could be really bad for him.''​
 
badboy said:
not quite sure why he needs grip strength for what he does..barring other fractures.
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Use of hands in controlling and shedding the blockers is a very underestimated part of being a good defender. It is a setback at best and a career blocker at worst.

I honestly never understood the impulse of some to set off fireworks, particularly the more dangerous ones. But I know many who are drawn to them with an almost irrational attraction.

Perhaps being raised by a chemist with an understanding of the potential danger has something to do with it for me. SAFETY was always a mindset. It permitted you to work around danger without hurting yourself or fearing to do those things which are necessary.
 
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Recent pictures.


Custom-made gloves.
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A look at Jason Pierre-Paul's right hand at Giant practice.
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And this is what the hand appears like under the glove. A large space between the thumb and middle finger remnants, since for some reason they decided not to do a formal total index ray amputation, leaving the stump of the index finger in place. Very bulky due to a groin tissue flap coverage to the remnant exposed bone, tendon and neurovascular structures.

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He was always typically a weak side right DE pass rusher. He will now have a heck of a time trying to hold the right side. If the Giants want any possibility of production out of him, they'll have to keep him on the left. But if they do, Pierre-Paul and the strong right side may not work out all that well either.
 
texan279 said:
The New York Giants are withdrawing their $60 million long-term contract offer to Jason Pierre-Paul following the star pass rusher's fireworks incident over the weekend, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday, per three sources informed of the situation.

JPP suffered a hand injury Saturday night while attempting to light fireworks. He required hospitalization. Rapoport reported JPP's hand will be intact, and as of Sunday night, doctors were still examining for nerve damage and other issues related to the incident.

Given the timing of the event and the apparent judgment displayed, the Giants do not believe a long-term offer is in the best interest of those involved at this point, per Rapoport.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ork-giants-pull-60m-offer-to-jason-pierrepaul
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Bad move if you ask me!!! I mean I understand if they pay they are taking a risk on someone who may never have
full use of his fingers, and quite frankly what he did was stupid!!! putting that aside for the moment, they need to
ask themselves if it's worth him walking away at the end of the year, Or at some point demanding a trade to some
one willing to pony up the dough he wants?

right now Pier Paul even in his current state would be a welcomed addition to any of the remaining NFC East teams
especially Dallas who could use a guy like him defensively to help bolster what they already have in place with Lee,
Gregory and Hardy..

So they might want to rethink this before squashing the whole deal and next year he is wearing
the uniform of someone you hate the most
 
TexasCowboy said:
Bad move if you ask me!!! I mean I understand if they pay they are taking a risk on someone who may never have
full use of his fingers, and quite frankly what he did was stupid!!! putting that aside for the moment, they need to
ask themselves if it's worth him walking away at the end of the year, Or at some point demanding a trade to some
one willing to pony up the dough he wants?

right now Pier Paul even in his current state would be a welcomed addition to any of the remaining NFC East teams
especially Dallas who could use a guy like him defensively to help bolster what they already have in place with Lee,
Gregory and Hardy..

So they might want to rethink this before squashing the whole deal and next year he is wearing
the uniform of someone you hate the most
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You shouldn't pay a player for what he WAS. You Shouldn't even pay a player for what he IS. You should focus on determining a player's value for the time of the contract. History is helpful, but not determinate.
 
Marshall said:
You shouldn't pay a player for what he WAS. You Shouldn't even pay a player for what he IS. You should focus on determining a player's value for the time of the contract. History is helpful, but not determinate.
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Pier Paul is a top tier talent his pay grade goes up no matter how many injuries he has sustained
unless age becomes a decisive factor, then his pay grade decreases but not by much, so is he still
the same player the Giants got back then? I think so he doesn't need feeling in those extremities
in order to play football! because it doesn't require being able to feel pain or even pressure in his
fingers to make sacks or tackle someone
 
TexasCowboy said:
Pier Paul is a top tier talent his pay grade goes up no matter how many injuries he has sustained
unless age becomes a decisive factor, then his pay grade decreases but not by much, so is he still
the same player the Giants got back then? I think so he doesn't need feeling in those extremities
in order to play football! because it doesn't require being able to feel pain or even pressure in his
fingers to make sacks or tackle someone
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