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Since the Rose Bowl, all of a sudden there are BOATLOADS of posters with less than 50 post and almost to a person are VY supporters. A great many apear to be of ...shall I say..of questionable origin. Not Texans fans, but just UT people who appear all of a sudden trying to blow up the board with support for their guy. The MB is open to all and good discussion is great, but mindless perroting of "Vince is God" is getting more than a little tiresome. Some have cogent things to say, but IMO, most are just posting the same drival over and over.
 
edo783 said:
Since the Rose Bowl, all of a sudden there are BOATLOADS of posters with less than 50 post and almost to a person are VY supporters. A great many apear to be of ...shall I say..of questionable origin. Not Texans fans, but just UT people who appear all of a sudden trying to blow up the board with support for their guy. The MB is open to all and good discussion is great, but mindless perroting of "Vince is God" is getting more than a little tiresome. Some have cogent things to say, but IMO, most are just posting the same drival over and over.

So this poll is strictly from UT fans?? Dumb post are getting real tiresome...the drivel part is well taken.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/index?section=sports&id=3243795
 
edo783 said:
Since the Rose Bowl, all of a sudden there are BOATLOADS of posters with less than 50 post and almost to a person are VY supporters. A great many apear to be of ...shall I say..of questionable origin. Not Texans fans, but just UT people who appear all of a sudden trying to blow up the board with support for their guy. The MB is open to all and good discussion is great, but mindless perroting of "Vince is God" is getting more than a little tiresome. Some have cogent things to say, but IMO, most are just posting the same drival over and over.

You're right. I literally almost screamed outloud earlier today after reading some of the threads. I am not complaining about someone posting their opinion, that is what we are all here for, but when you are trying to have a discussion with someone and all they can come back with is "Carr sucks Vince rules" it gets frustrating.
 
Point well taken Edo. There was a day when we actually discussed our thoughts while backing it up with a reference. Emotion rules the day and it spreads like wildfire.
 
texan279 said:
You're right. I literally almost screamed outloud earlier today after reading some of the threads. I am not complaining about someone posting their opinion, that is what we are all here for, but when you are trying to have a discussion with someone and all they can come back with is "Carr sucks Vince rules" it gets frustrating.

If anyone is brilliant enough to say that VY, Bush, or Carr sucks then its not worth a response...you might as well be responding to a cheerleader.
 
It's a circular argument on both sides and I appreciate you welcoming me to this board. Neither side is convincing the other one and both make a decent argument.
 
BREAZE said:
If anyone is brilliant enough to say that VY, Bush, or Carr sucks then its not worth a response...you might as well be responding to a cheerleader.



Oh yeah?

Well.... Well you suck man! Yeah! You SUUUUUUUUUUCK!

VINCE RULES YEAH BABY!

CARR SUX, BUSH SUX



;)
 
I'm a Houston fan above all else. It's my hometown. I want what's best for the teams that represent my hometown. Thus far the Texans have been a disaster. This was the playoff year, remember? Vince Young is what is best not only for the team, but also for the city. He's that special and that important. He is Nolan Ryan, Earl Campbell, and Hakeem Olajuwon rolled into one.
 
pskinny said:
This is Vince's back yard. I'd be interested in what the results would show if this were a nation wide poll.


They had one on Sportscenter the other day. It was 61% for Bush and 39% for Young.
 
Wordem said:
I'm a Houston fan above all else. It's my hometown. I want what's best for the teams that represent my hometown. Thus far the Texans have been a disaster. This was the playoff year, remember? Vince Young is what is best not only for the team, but also for the city. He's that special and that important. He is Nolan Ryan, Earl Campbell, and Hakeem Olajuwon rolled into one.

The guy hasn't played a down of NFL football, and now he's three Hall of Famers rolled into one? Get a grip on reality man. Jesus does not go to the University of Texas.
 
pskinny said:
The guy hasn't played a down of NFL football, and now he's three Hall of Famers rolled into one? Get a grip on reality man. Jesus does not go to the University of Texas.

Trust me. He's that good. You don't whiff on greatness.
 
edo783 said:
Since the Rose Bowl, all of a sudden there are BOATLOADS of posters with less than 50 post and almost to a person are VY supporters. A great many apear to be of ...shall I say..of questionable origin. Not Texans fans, but just UT people who appear all of a sudden trying to blow up the board with support for their guy. The MB is open to all and good discussion is great, but mindless perroting of "Vince is God" is getting more than a little tiresome. Some have cogent things to say, but IMO, most are just posting the same drival over and over.

The good thing is that once you've read one post from many of these posters, you've read them all by that poster. It really saves time.

To be fair, there are a fewnew posters who show evidence that they may be valuable posters over the long haul.

The number one pick has generated some buzz; now we need to separate the wheat from the chaff (if I can mix metaphors).
 
pskinny said:
The guy hasn't played a down of NFL football, and now he's three Hall of Famers rolled into one? Get a grip on reality man. Jesus does not go to the University of Texas.

I bet if you looked at the UT year book you would find plenty of Jesus' enrolled as students.
 
Wordem said:
They're taking Vince Young.

Maybe, I think the worst thing of all for both sides of this debate is that we have to wait until the end of April to find out.
 
Runner said:
The number one pick has generated some buzz; now we need to separate the wheat from the chaff (if I can mix metaphors).
Agree. If I may add one more - please can the emotional angst and anger - that gets us nowhere fast and is getting more and more difficult to read. McNair has stated more than once that he wants to draft someone to help us win now - hats off to whomever that is. At this point as long as we win more than 2 next year and make it at least an 8-8 year- I'll be happy - well, ok, I'd be happier if we made it to the playoffs - as long as I'm dreaming.:drool:
 
I can't wait until the dust settles a little also. There should be plenty of excitement within the process of finding our new coach and assistants, and their plans for the future of this team. That is what I am excited about.

It is way to emotional right now, posters screaming at each other about something that is months away. We have until late April to get jitters or worked up or whatever about the draft. The combine and pro days will spark good discussion of noteworthy picks as well. I expect another round of debate when that happens.
 
Just pay no attention to the rookie posters. A rookie poster screaming for VY is really so obvious it doesn't even need to be read.
 
The first thing I noticed when I moved to Texas in 1979, was the "Drive Friendly" signs along the highway. I thought that was unusual thing to put along the side of the road, until I learned that when the sign flipped over, it was to caution you about ice on the road.

There are two reasons that I could never leave Texas: 1. Tex-Mex food and 2. How friendly the people are in this part of the world.

This is not to say that Texans can't get riled, but rather their natural state is one of uncommon friendliness to strangers, a distaste for rudeness and an appreciation of manners. (Though I will say that in my own personal experience, Dallas doesn't seem like the rest of Texas in that regard).

Outta of the many cities I have visited through out the country, Houston is the friendliest city I've been in by far.

Texans fans have been given a gift, paid by a difficult season, and it gives us all sorts of interesting possibilities. No sense being ugly about such a gift.

Now I am not going to pretend to be the internets police or anything, and I've gotten a little sideways a time or two myself, but it seems to me that rational minds can disagree about the merits of drafting various folks and the future of the Texans without getting their panties in a wad.

That we can state our beliefs without resorting to hyperbole, exaggeration or just plain ole silliness.

That broad generalization are often unfair.

That by not exaggerating or distorting the facts, your points are better understood and appreciated. This is especially true when discussing the relative merits of extremely talented college kids, kids that I reckon will always be better than our slow sorry selves.

That even talking about emotional things, you can discuss them without use of name calling and ad hominem arguments and the use of the words "brokeback mountain" or "manlove."

That it is quite possible that you might be wrong or unsure, and that it is OK to say that you don't know something.

That it is a good thing try to keep an open mind, listen to what people say, and ask good questions.

That offering facts and information and statistics that folks can learn from is always more appreciated than blather, though I suppose blather has its place. I am good at blathering. :)

That you are not Carnac, and if you were, why the heck are you spending time here instead of making money foretelling the future?

That you don't have to get a dig in when you can, and that some posts are so silly you don't have to respond to them because they are silly on their face.

That one of the best thing about human beings is that we are we have our own personal preferences, based on our life experiences, and that we don't all agree. If we all liked the same thing, it would be pretty boring and those things would get terribly expensive.

That people are people. They are humans. You don't have to go out of your way to say ugly things about other human beings. There is enough real ugliness in the world without manufacturing new ugliness.

That it is often best to walk away from trolls. Even if they get you in the eye with a pointy stick.

But also to remember that everybody was a newbie at one time, that some might be trolling but that a lot of these newbies just don't know the deal but are just trying to be enthusiastic fans. And the Texans need excited fans these days.

Some day this draft is just gonna be another part of Texans history. Hopefully it will be a good part. But there is no way to know that in January 2006, or April 2006 for that matter.

We get to wait and see and hope and pray.

It is amazing how funny and strange it is to be a sports fan. It is truly bizarre to be this passionate and care so strong about something that in the big scheme of life really doesn't matter.

Bizarre is good. :redtowel:
 
Wordem said:
He is Nolan Ryan, Earl Campbell, and Hakeem Olajuwon rolled into one.

Dude, no doubt! Maybe the Astros and Rockets can sign him, too! :redtowel:

after that, we'll all elect him mayor!
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I can't wait until the dust settles a little also. There should be plenty of excitement within the process of finding our new coach and assistants, and their plans for the future of this team. That is what I am excited about.

It is way to emotional right now, posters screaming at each other about something that is months away. We have until late April to get jitters or worked up or whatever about the draft. The combine and pro days will spark good discussion of noteworthy picks as well. I expect another round of debate when that happens.
I'm with you on this. I know you are not in the VY circle and I've made obvious that I am but............We've got coaches to hire, assistants to hire, coordinators to steal, 3 other draft pix on day one. That gets me pumped thinking about the possibilties. It's hard not to duke it out on the #1 pick but there are other important things that I'm sure Young or Bush or (insert your fav pick) would want the team tomake sure was settled before their arrival.
 
edo783 said:
Since the Rose Bowl, all of a sudden there are BOATLOADS of posters with less than 50 post and almost to a person are VY supporters. A great many apear to be of ...shall I say..of questionable origin. Not Texans fans, but just UT people who appear all of a sudden trying to blow up the board with support for their guy. The MB is open to all and good discussion is great, but mindless perroting of "Vince is God" is getting more than a little tiresome. Some have cogent things to say, but IMO, most are just posting the same drival over and over.

Why is this sudden UT interest such a bad thing?

Houston should be thrilled to be getting some interest from Cowboy-rich areas like Austin and San Antonio. We are still pretty weak in state-wide interest, and at least talking about Vince Young is getting fans in other cities reading articles about our coaches, GM, and players.
 
Double Barrel said:
Dude, no doubt! Maybe the Astros and Rockets can sign him, too! :redtowel:

after that, we'll all elect him mayor!

I am sure the Rodeo could use him as well to put more people in the stands. ;)
 
Texans_Chick said:
The first thing I noticed when I moved to Texas in 1979, was the "Drive Friendly" signs along the highway. I thought that was unusual thing to put along the side of the road, until I learned that when the sign flipped over, it was to caution you about ice on the road.

There are two reasons that I could never leave Texas: 1. Tex-Mex food and 2. How friendly the people are in this part of the world.

This is not to say that Texans can't get riled, but rather their natural state is one of uncommon friendliness to strangers, a distaste for rudeness and an appreciation of manners. (Though I will say that in my own personal experience, Dallas doesn't seem like the rest of Texas in that regard).

Outta of the many cities I have visited through out the country, Houston is the friendliest city I've been in by far.

Texans fans have been given a gift, paid by a difficult season, and it gives us all sorts of interesting possibilities. No sense being ugly about such a gift.

Now I am not going to pretend to be the internets police or anything, and I've gotten a little sideways a time or two myself, but it seems to me that rational minds can disagree about the merits of drafting various folks and the future of the Texans without getting their panties in a wad.

That we can state our beliefs without resorting to hyperbole, exaggeration or just plain ole silliness.

That broad generalization are often unfair.

That by not exaggerating or distorting the facts, your points are better understood and appreciated. This is especially true when discussing the relative merits of extremely talented college kids, kids that I reckon will always be better than our slow sorry selves.

That even talking about emotional things, you can discuss them without use of name calling and ad hominem arguments and the use of the words "brokeback mountain" or "manlove."

That it is quite possible that you might be wrong or unsure, and that it is OK to say that you don't know something.

That it is a good thing try to keep an open mind, listen to what people say, and ask good questions.

That offering facts and information and statistics that folks can learn from is always more appreciated than blather, though I suppose blather has its place. I am good at blathering. :)

That you are not Carnac, and if you were, why the heck are you spending time here instead of making money foretelling the future?

That you don't have to get a dig in when you can, and that some posts are so silly you don't have to respond to them because they are silly on their face.

That one of the best thing about human beings is that we are we have our own personal preferences, based on our life experiences, and that we don't all agree. If we all liked the same thing, it would be pretty boring and those things would get terribly expensive.

That people are people. They are humans. You don't have to go out of your way to say ugly things about other human beings. There is enough real ugliness in the world without manufacturing new ugliness.

That it is often best to walk away from trolls. Even if they get you in the eye with a pointy stick.

But also to remember that everybody was a newbie at one time, that some might be trolling but that a lot of these newbies just don't know the deal but are just trying to be enthusiastic fans. And the Texans need excited fans these days.

Some day this draft is just gonna be another part of Texans history. Hopefully it will be a good part. But there is no way to know that in January 2006, or April 2006 for that matter.

We get to wait and see and hope and pray.

It is amazing how funny and strange it is to be a sports fan. It is truly bizarre to be this passionate and care so strong about something that in the big scheme of life really doesn't matter.

Bizarre is good. :redtowel:


Someone once told me that sacasm is the lowest form of humor. And that makes a lot of sense to me.

Snide is not terribly pretty either.

Sarcasm and snide often don't translate very well in written communication, and can get kinda ugly. They wear on your some. It's because sarcasm and snide tend to reproduce--that the more sarcastic and snide you get, the more you tend to get back.

Just saying. Personally, I appreciate the posts more that actually have something to say that has real meaning.


Just spitting in the wind........
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
I'm with you on this. I know you are not in the VY circle and I've made obvious that I am but............We've got coaches to hire, assistants to hire, coordinators to steal, 3 other draft pix on day one. That gets me pumped thinking about the possibilties. It's hard not to duke it out on the #1 pick but there are other important things that I'm sure Young or Bush or (insert your fav pick) would want the team tomake sure was settled before their arrival.


Don't get me wrong. I love VY and the Longhorns are my college team. I just don't think he is the answer for our team in our current situation. I could be wrong, and it won't be the first time. Time will only tell. If he were to end up on the Texans, I would be excited about it and welcome him with open arms...but just as I would with almost anyone the organization chooses to bring in at this point, and give the decision time to see how it turns out.
 
To be totaly truthful, I've never really followed college ball except college basketball to which I'm a Jayhawk fan. So therefore, I never even heard of Vince Young or Reggie Bush for that matter until I started posting on this board. Now you might think I must live in a cave somewhere but the point I'm trying to make is...since the Rose bowl, being an I*d*i*o*t* to both players, that's all that you read about and not much of it before. If they were both such hot topics, why did it take so long for it to become news? Was it the season? Or was it simply something to talk about since we don't have ball anymore. I quess I'm trying to say, once this one goes away something else will come along and replace it. I'm not against either one of them if improves our season next year. Heck, I'd go for Snuffee whoever that is.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Just spitting in the wind........

Nah, not at all. As a native Houstonian, it bugs me how much further toward unfriendly the city has become in the last 20 years. I miss the Drive Friendly signs, too. Anyway, your point is well taken :)
 
Texan Asylum said:
To be totaly truthful, I've never really followed college ball except college basketball to which I'm a Jayhawk fan. So therefore, I never even heard of Vince Young or Reggie Bush for that matter until I started posting on this board. Now you might think I must live in a cave somewhere but the point I'm trying to make is...since the Rose bowl, being an I*d*i*o*t* to both players, that's all that you read about and not much of it before. If they were both such hot topics, why did it take so long for it to become news? Was it the season? Or was it simply something to talk about since we don't have ball anymore. I quess I'm trying to say, once this one goes away something else will come along and replace it. I'm not against either one of them if improves our season next year. Heck, I'd go for Snuffee whoever that is.


Off subject but you Earl video is the bomb...I was at that game...He was tryly a great rb!
 
Well when you have a player of Vince's caliber coming into the draft it makes for interesting talk and discussion........I for one just found out about this website from one of my co-workers, but to be honest why would someone want to talk about this team during a 2-14 season.....I mean it's kinda frustrating and rather boring (just being honest).....for the most part I've seen people make their cases for wanting Vince, and I honestly don't see anything wrong with their opinions, and the same goes for those who want Bush....as long as the discussions are reasonable I don't mind them.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
Don't get me wrong. I love VY and the Longhorns are my college team. I just don't think he is the answer for our team in our current situation. I could be wrong, and it won't be the first time. Time will only tell. If he were to end up on the Texans, I would be excited about it and welcome him with open arms...but just as I would with almost anyone the organization chooses to bring in at this point, and give the decision time to see how it turns out.

Now THAT is how to be a classy Long Horn fan. Even if he thought Vince was the right thing, it would still be the same. It's his guy, his school he supports both, but whatever is right for the TEAM is what he wants.
 
The Dream said:
for the most part I've seen people make their cases for wanting Vince, and I honestly don't see anything wrong with their opinions, and the same goes for those who want Bush....as long as the discussions are reasonable I don't mind them.

People staying reasonable is cool.

I have to say Dream, though I am also someone who thinks drafting VY would be good for the Texans, I don't think your sig is cool.

Maybe it is just me, but saying "To Hell" with anyone, even if you think that they are "subpar" and it rhymes and stuff, it just doesn't lend itself to civil discourse.

Glad you found the MB.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
Don't get me wrong. I love VY and the Longhorns are my college team. I just don't think he is the answer for our team in our current situation. I could be wrong, and it won't be the first time. Time will only tell. If he were to end up on the Texans, I would be excited about it and welcome him with open arms...but just as I would with almost anyone the organization chooses to bring in at this point, and give the decision time to see how it turns out.

Now THAT is how to be a classy Long Horn fan. Even if he thought Vince was the right thing, it would still be the same. It's his guy, his school he supports both, but whatever is right for the TEAM is what he wants. He didn't have to run down some one else or over inflate his stance, just states "This is my guy, yes or no....good for the team" end of story.
 
I have to say Dream, though I am also someone who thinks drafting VY would be good for the Texans, I don't think your sig is cool.

Well the only reason it's my sig is, because it rhymes (I love hip hop, so it comes kinda natural) and displays my true inner thoughts......I mean David seems like a nice, class guy, but I don't want him here as a fan (and this was even before VY declared to enter the draft).........my sig is a sign of frustration more than anything....I have nothing against David, except that he's an average QB for a team that I root for.
 
edo783 said:
Now THAT is how to be a classy Long Horn fan. Even if he thought Vince was the right thing, it would still be the same. It's his guy, his school he supports both, but whatever is right for the TEAM is what he wants.

To be fair, I think that is the position of most Longhorn fans who are Texans fans. (Though I can emphathize with those outside of Houston that have been having problems seeing the games and want VY for those purposes).

My preference is to draft VY, but if it were in the best interest of the Texans to trade the pick and get a boatload of value for it, I would be for it (especially if it is a deal that makes sure that VY doesn't go to NO, TN, or the Cryboys--as I happen to believe that marketing can't be totally divorced from Xs and Os, because it matters to winning--cool matters, that's Reggie White's best legacy in GB).

I have not been the biggest Reggie fan for the various reasons that have been said ad nauseum on the MB, but if after much consideration and review, the Texans staff believe he is the best thing for our team and his game translates to the NFL, then I guess that support that pick too.
 
The Dream said:
Well the only reason it's my sig is, because it rhymes (I love hip hop, so it comes kinda natural) and displays my true inner thoughts......I mean David seems like a nice, class guy, but I don't want him here as a fan (and this was even before VY declared to enter the draft).........my sig is a sign of frustration more than anything....I have nothing against David, except that he's an average QB for a team that I root for.

Well, I am guessing if you are talented with the rhyme, you can figure out one that is more positive, one that expresses what you really want to say without denigrating a nice, class guy.

I don't really think that I can persuade anybody here of anything, but if you happen to think that people might listen to what you are saying, a new sig might be less alienating. Just a thought.
 
I know my sig seems harsh and biased, but I can't help it.......it's been 4 long years, and people seem so content with keeping Carr here (from the GM, to even some fans), my sig isn't meant to be taken personal, just from a frustrated fans perspective.
 
Reponding to Texans Chick post: I am one of those enthusiastic type Houston Texans fans that honestly doesn't have the confidence to interject my real thoughts on most subjects posted here. But I've learned so much and appreciate the mostly positive, but knowledgeable opinions I read on a daily basis.
That was a great post IMO. I tried to add to your reputation but was told I needed to "spread the love" in other words before giving you another high five

(insert my favorite flag flying smilie here) Just where DID it go?
 
The Dream said:
I know my sig seems harsh and biased, but I can't help it.......it's been 4 long years, and people seem so content with keeping Carr here (from the GM, to even some fans), my sig isn't meant to be taken personal, just from a frustrated fans perspective.

So if someone on this board were to say "To hell with you, Dream!" out of frustration with your posting content and tone, it would be OK as long as they said "Nothing personal"?

Seems a little out there to me, but hey ..... to each his own, I guess.
 
So if someone on this board were to say "To hell with you, Dream!" out of frustration with your posting content and tone, it would be OK as long as they said "Nothing personal"?

Would really make no difference to me, I'm here to talk football, not to be concerned about what people on the net think of me (when they don't even know me).
 
The Dream said:
I know my sig seems harsh and biased, but I can't help it.......it's been 4 long years, and people seem so content with keeping Carr here (from the GM, to even some fans), my sig isn't meant to be taken personal, just from a frustrated fans perspective.
Dig tha sig (Really I don't, just using the rhyming aspect)
Let Carr go far
When it's time to rhyme
Let the Young-B-Young
Bring 'em home, don't let 'em rome
Bring 'em back, Super Bowl on track
Bring 'em here, both helmets have steers
Bring it on, ....??????nothing really works here except Donkey Kong. Sorry. I thought I was doing good.
 
The Dream said:
Would really make no difference to me, I'm here to talk football, not to be concerned about what people on the net think of me (when they don't even know me).

I think the point that was being made was it's not what people think of you (they don't know you), but what people think of your post content and tone and the subsequent quality of football conversation in which you'll be involved. Never mind me though, I'll go back to lurking. Have a nice day.
 
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