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Monday News--john Mclain On 610

HoustonFrog

HoustonFrog

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I know people aren't huge McLain fans all the time but I'm just reporting what was said this morning as I drove into work on 610. 1) Kubiak is the man and he is heading there for 6 days to do pieces on him and his assistants. All of the other interviews are formalities. He interviewed well and even brought broke down tape. 2) ESPN has been wrong twice. Mort was wrong saying we are trying to buy out Jeff Fischer and Pasquerelli is wrong that we are trying to trade players for another pick. 3) In his opinion we will take VY because they will burn down the stadium if he isn't taken. His take is this. Kubiak is great with QBs. We pull a Carson Palmer and keep Carr for a year. If Carr does well, his trade value will be at its highest and we can get a pick for him. Then you play Young. It is too big of a cap hit if you just get rid of Carr. Lance argues that it makes no sense because you have noone to show for the draft by sitting him but McClain said it is the smart move. He said come draft time Young will be scouted more and will be the pick because many scouts didn't think he would come out until that game. 4) The funniest thing ..and then I got to work..Alyse(sp?) Lanier--ex-mayors wife..called in and said she would buy season tickets again if VY was picked. She said she was watching the Casserly thing last night and couldn't believe her ears when Casserly said they have a QB and would not be looking at QBs. She acted like Casserly was a moron for even speaking. ....does anyone like that guy?He is pretty much an moron. At least he didn't say anything about Bush since he hasn't declared yet.
 
I watched the show last night, and Casserly indeed said they will be exercising Carr's option. But . . . but when Bob Allen asked him if it would be the 3-year option, I really couldn't understand Charley's answer.

Anyone?
 
Marcus said:
I watched the show last night, and Casserly indeed said they will be exercising Carr's option. But . . . but when Bob Allen asked him if it would be the 3-year option, I really couldn't understand Charley's answer.

Anyone?
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Didn't they cut away right after that? I don't think Casserly answered him. I thought he was still answering the previous question when the interviewer talked over him.
 
Marcus said:
I watched the show last night, and Casserly indeed said they will be exercising Carr's option. But . . . but when Bob Allen asked him if it would be the 3-year option, I really couldn't understand Charley's answer.

Anyone?
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I didn't see it and that is why I was just repeating the talk this morning. It may be a smoke screen but I'd be more comfortible with Charlie keeping his mouth shut. Everytime I think of Charlie I think of the Charlie in the Box on the Land of Misfit Toys on the Rudolph claymation.:tv:
 
SteelBlueToro said:
"And so it will be done." Who cares what Mrs. Lanier thinks...
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True, but I found it funny that she wanted to call in to discuss Charlie. Man, some surly people this morning.
 
SteelBlueToro said:
"And so it will be done." Who cares what Mrs. Lanier thinks...
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Bob McNair should....she is just the tip of the iceberg. Casserly is making people hate this team.
 
Can someone start a list like what was done on the keep Carlos Beltran sign up sheet? I would love to see a way for all fans to vote for either Bush or Young and let the Texans see our results. I know we could have a poll here, but I think an outside deal like the Beltran deal would get alot more votes.
 
Vinny said:
Bob McNair should....she is just the tip of the iceberg. Casserly is making people hate this team.
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Maybe making you and some other VY loyalists hate this team - but not everyone. Next thing you know - you will be petitioning him to ditch the team colors for burnt orange and white. Where will it stop? :thud:
 
I saw the Casserly last night, and did you catch when Casserly was asked if he would trade down? I dont trust Casserly he would probably trade down, and make a horrible pick, like he did last year. I still think the Texans need a new GM, if Casserly has his way he would fumble the draft picks again.
 
SteelBlueToro said:
Maybe making you and some other VY loyalists hate this team - but not everyone. Next thing you know - you will be petitioning him to ditch the team colors for burnt orange and white. Where will it stop? :thud:
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two years down the road when our revamped o-line has proven to have been a sucessful stratagy and to have been worth the wait.

...Either that or at the front of KU!!
 
YoungTexanFan said:
two years down the road when our revamped o-line has proven to have been a sucessful stratagy and to have been worth the wait.

...Either that or at the front of KU!!
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Yeah - that'll get everyone one more excited. "GIVE US 2 MORE YEARS AND WE'LL BE READY TO COMPETE!!!"

:pigfly:
 
Marcus said:
I watched the show last night, and Casserly indeed said they will be exercising Carr's option. But . . . but when Bob Allen asked him if it would be the 3-year option, I really couldn't understand Charley's answer.

Anyone?
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No actually, good question....would love to hear the answer too if anyone can recall. Who TiVo'd this?
 
I don't see where if people talk about VY, they are automatically Texas homers. I didn't go there, obviously. I do think Bush is a the safe and smart pick but there a ton of people that think VY will be a freak in this league. He has stepped it up everywhere he has been and is a winner and leader. Howie Long and Bradshaw were saying the same yesterday. Some people have that "winner" skill and he is one of them. I think either guy would be good but I don't look at people who want VY as just UT fans.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Alyse(sp?) Lanier--ex-mayors wife..called in and said she would buy season tickets again if VY was picked. She said she was watching the Casserly thing last night and couldn't believe her ears when Casserly said they have a QB and would not be looking at QBs. She acted like Casserly was a moron for even speaking. ....does anyone like that guy?He is pretty much an moron. At least he didn't say anything about Bush since he hasn't declared yet.
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Who cares what that woman thinks! She is married to the guy who let the Oilers pack up and move out of town. As far as I am concerned she can never watch another Houston football game again. That also goes for her gobbler kneck husband.

But I'm not bitter.
 
FILO_girl said:
No actually, good question....would love to hear the answer too if anyone can recall. Who TiVo'd this?
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I'm pretty sure he said that it would be a 3 year deal.

You also have Bob McNair saying that they will draft the player who will help them immediately.

I'm sorry but that is not Vince Young. So you have the GM say that they are extending Carr's contract and that they will not draft a QB and you have the owner say that they are going to draft someone who will help them immediately. This is on top of all of the other reports saying that we will not draft Vince Young and that we will draft Reggie Bush.

Face reality, we aren't drafting Vince.
 
"...Don`t underestimate the power of a woman." -- abbest

...especially when she is a TEXAN!
 
tulexan said:
I'm pretty sure he said that it would be a 3 year deal.

You also have Bob McNair saying that they will draft the player who will help them immediately.

I'm sorry but that is not Vince Young. So you have the GM say that they are extending Carr's contract and that they will not draft a QB and you have the owner say that they are going to draft someone who will help them immediately. This is on top of all of the other reports saying that we will not draft Vince Young and that we will draft Reggie Bush.

Face reality, we aren't drafting Vince.
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Ditto!
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
"...Don`t underestimate the power of a woman." -- abbest

...especially when she is a TEXAN!
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I can't wait until Roger Clemens takes Bob McNair on one of those long reflective lunches...;)
 
dirty steve said:
Ditto--I could care less what an ex-mayor thinks, much less his wife.
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I think people are missing the point. She doesn't matter but I found it humorous that she would take the time to call in and vent on Charlie. In my book it shows that there are many people who just can't stand the sight of him and what he has done so far. Again, he needs to back into his crypt and stay there.

As far as not taking VY. None of you know that and it is wrong to say what we are doing is definitive. There is alot of scouting to be done.
 
HoustonFrog said:
As far as not taking VY. None of you know that and it is wrong to say what we are doing is definitive. There is alot of scouting to be done.
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Well that is one reason why its *****ic for the team to say what they are going to do this early. We have the #1 pick, and we're in control. Or at least we could have been.

You're right Vinny. Casserly is making me hate this team.
 
Once the causual fan lets his or her feelings known, it's all academic. The City of Houston will not allow Bob McNair to screw this up. Public sentiment is everything, especially when that public rewards or punishes you with ticket and merchandise sales. Bottom line: Vince Young is better for business than Reggie Bush. McNair knows this, which is one reason among many VY will be playing his home games at home.
 
Wordem said:
Once the causual fan lets his or her feelings known, it's all academic. The City of Houston will not allow Bob McNair to screw this up. Public sentiment is everything, especially when that public rewards or punishes you with ticket and merchandise sales. Bottom line: Vince Young is better for business than Reggie Bush. McNair knows this, which is one reason among many VY will be playing his home games at home.
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Good teams are not built on the fan's flavor of the week draft pick. McNair is an intelligent man, he is bringing in a new head coach and new offensive and defensive systems with it, and he brought in Dan Reeves (been to 9 Super Bowls) to aid him in his decision. They will make the decision that they feel is best for the success of this team, not the decision that 55% of the fans want. I for one hope Young does go to the Titans so Dunta can have 3-4 INTs a year off of him and boost his statistics for a Pro-Bowl nomination.
 
Khari said:
We already play Peyton Manning twice a year....what's the diff....
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You've obviously never watched Texas play much. If you had, you'd realize just how ridiculous (no offense) that statement is.
 
Wordem said:
Young is the better player. Period. There are plenty of Reggie Bushes in football. There is only on Vince Young. He's that good.
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I'n hoping to get Vinny to explain .... I already know you're a hair on fire, foaming orange at the mouth, draft Vince or else poster .....
 
MorKnolle said:
Good teams are not built on the fan's flavor of the week draft pick. McNair is an intelligent man, he is bringing in a new head coach and new offensive and defensive systems with it, and he brought in Dan Reeves (been to 9 Super Bowls) to aid him in his decision. They will make the decision that they feel is best for the success of this team, not the decision that 55% of the fans want. I for one hope Young does go to the Titans so Dunta can have 3-4 INTs a year off of him and boost his statistics for a Pro-Bowl nomination.
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You don't succeed without the fans, period. They are the bottom line, which is why VY will be a Texan. Without the fans there is no league.
 
texan279 said:
What I really don't understand, is if Young is that good and we should take him with the #1 pick, why is the speculation that New Orleans would take Leinhart and let Young fall to the #3 spot? Wouldn't New Orleans take Young?
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There is already speculation that they will. Rule number one in the NFL draft: take the best player on the board. That is Vince Young. It's really not close.

He will be a Texan.
 
Having Vince Young sit under Carr is just like having Morency sit under Davis or worse, Heisman Trophy winner Bush sit under DD. The best thing for this team and the new coaching staff is to draft talent and let the new coaching staff pick it, what better way to do that than with additional picks.

I suspect that the VY love affair may dwindle down if he has subpar or average workouts.
 
Wordem said:
You've obviously never watched Texas play much. If you had, you'd realize just how ridiculous (no offense) that statement is.
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So Vince Young is already better than Peyton Manning? I don't think you realize how ridiculous your statement is.
 
the two options draft wise are this-

1. draft Reggie Bush take offensive Tackle (Quinn O'Jinnaka or Andrew Whitworth) 2nd rd. more conservative move that addresses both improved protection and offensive playmaker.

2. draft Vince Young (taking a lineman no longer absoulte) take offensive playmaker (TE Leonard Pope) to compliment VY with the 2nd rd. pick. Vince will need a target that can get open early to have immediate success.
 
Has John McCLain EVER, and I mean EVER told us something that we do NOT know already? Just because he speaks as if it IS true (Texans WILL hire Kubiak, Texans WILL draft Vince Young, Texans WILL draft Reggie Bush, Dom Capers WILL be fired, etc...) doesn't mean that we don't already know it. Him saying Mort was wrong, well, we all figured he could be wrong... where's the 'insider' scoop?

He NEVER tells us something we don't know.....
 
DRAMA said:
Has John McCLain EVER, and I mean EVER told us something that we do NOT know already? Just because he speaks as if it IS true (Texans WILL hire Kubiak, Texans WILL draft Vince Young, Texans WILL draft Reggie Bush, Dom Capers WILL be fired, etc...) doesn't mean that we don't already know it. Him saying Mort was wrong, well, we all figured he could be wrong... where's the 'insider' scoop?

He NEVER tells us something we don't know.....
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Leave John Mclain alone, he knows more than you!!:yahoo:
 
Wordem said:
Once the causual fan lets his or her feelings known, it's all academic. The City of Houston will not allow Bob McNair to screw this up. Public sentiment is everything, especially when that public rewards or punishes you with ticket and merchandise sales. Bottom line: Vince Young is better for business than Reggie Bush. McNair knows this, which is one reason among many VY will be playing his home games at home.
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This is the exact mentality that losing franchises have. Sorry.
We don't want to be the next Saints, Cardinals or Bengals team do we? They have mastered the art of wasting high draft picks.


PS: I love Vince Young and would love for us to pick him, but based on his football ability, not his marketability. Picking players based on public opinion will get you no where fast.

I still have alot of questions about VY ability. Not in a bad way but I would just like to hear what the experts say after in depth evaluation. Like can he play when he is not in a shotgun?
 
If fans want to hate the organization or jump ship just because the front office doesn't draft the player they want drafted or make the choices they want made I say go root for someone else. I will respect anyone's opinions, we all have them, that is why we all come here, but when you start taking the decisions a team's front office makes personally something is wrong.
 
SteelBlueToro said:
Maybe making you and some other VY loyalists hate this team - but not everyone. Next thing you know - you will be petitioning him to ditch the team colors for burnt orange and white. Where will it stop? :thud:
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I concur. It is funny how the posters who were pointing out a few flaws in Carrs performance are now Carr haters. :crying:
Some worried that he threw with a three quarter motion coming out of college. Young throws side arm and under arm, that dog won't hunt in the NFL. Doesn't seem to bother the same people who worried about Carrs delivery when we drafted him. Seemingly intelligent people buying into all the hype.

If anyone is counting, add one more to the keep David Carr column.


:coffee:
 
This already is a losing franchise. We just had our worst season in four years. Start over.

VY will be a Texan. Trust me on this.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I concur. It is funny how the posters who were pointing out a few flaws in Carrs performance are now Carr haters. :crying:
Some worried that he threw with a three quarter motion coming out of college. Young throws side arm and under arm, that dog won't hunt in the NFL. Doesn't seem to bother the same people who worried about Carrs delivery when we drafted him. Seemingly intelligent people buying into all the hype.

If anyone is counting, add one more to the keep David Carr column.


:coffee:
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Alright, who can make the Keep Carr avatars? Put me down for one!
 
cuppacoffee said:
I concur. It is funny how the posters who were pointing out a few flaws in Carrs performance are now Carr haters. :crying:
Some worried that he threw with a three quarter motion coming out of college. Young throws side arm and under arm, that dog won't hunt in the NFL. Doesn't seem to bother the same people who worried about Carrs delivery when we drafted him. Seemingly intelligent people buying into all the hype.

If anyone is counting, add one more to the keep David Carr column.


:coffee:
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I never even came here before the end of this season and I didn't start changing on Carr until this year. We all have opinions and I for one think he lacks leadership skills, makes dumb mistakes and then watches his line take all the heat, and pretty much is not going to be a franchise QB. He has rocks for brains and I don't see him taking any team to a SB. Maybe he can take HEB or SportsCut there.
 
I really don't remember the specifics but I could have sworn I heard something about the Texans needing as much film as possible on Reggie Bush. If I recall one of the analysts were speaking before one of Saturday's games about the Texans and coach interviews and the statement about Bush was in there somewhere and stated as fact. Does anyone recall this or have details on exactly what was said?
 
Jay Glazer reported that during the HC interviews, McNair, Casserly, and Reeves have the candidates break down game film of Reggie Bush and ask them how they would use him.
 
texan279 said:
Alright, who can make the Keep Carr avatars? Put me down for one!
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That's what we oughta have - new avatars for the offseason to show your alliance / preference...

1. Young
2. Bush
3. Carr
4. trade down
5. independent - the "unsures"
 
tulexan said:
Jay Glazer reported that during the HC interviews, McNair, Casserly, and Reeves have the candidates break down game film of Reggie Bush and ask them how they would use him.
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Thank you for clarifying that.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I never even came here before the end of this season and I didn't start changing on Carr until this year. We all have opinions and I for one think he lacks leadership skills, makes dumb mistakes and then watches his line take all the heat, and pretty much is not going to be a franchise QB. He has rocks for brains and I don't see him taking any team to a SB. Maybe he can take HEB or SportsCut there.
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We all have our own opinion. We won't know for sure who's is right for at least two, probably three years.
Your last statement seems a little harsh.

Looks like your frogs are on the rise. :)

:coffee:
 
HoustonFrog said:
I don't see where if people talk about VY, they are automatically Texas homers. I didn't go there, obviously. I do think Bush is a the safe and smart pick but there a ton of people that think VY will be a freak in this league. He has stepped it up everywhere he has been and is a winner and leader. Howie Long and Bradshaw were saying the same yesterday. Some people have that "winner" skill and he is one of them. I think either guy would be good but I don't look at people who want VY as just UT fans.
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...great post
 
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