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swtbound07 said:lets make them a package
tony hollings
bennie joppru
david carr
phillip buchanon for the #2 pick
tony hollings has still not been given a fair chance to play with the first team after he was completely healed. He is still a better RB than Morency IMO.swtbound07 said:lets make them a package
tony hollings
bennie joppru
david carr
phillip buchanon for the #2 pick
all of those players have gone through advirsity of some sort, they are all very young and physically gifted. I can garentue that if we were to make that trade, in two years NO would be in the playoffs with our rejects at their core. With a new staff, you will see their potential translate how it should.Napa Auto Parts said:hahahaha that would be a sweet deal if we could give NO All of our bust
I guess so. That makes SOOOOOO much sense now that you put it in perspective. Why couldnt we have Young, Bush, DD, and AJ? :brickwalltexan279 said:Are we supposed to sign Carr to a 2 year extension just to trade him and take a cap hit and then pay a #1 and #2 pick #1 and #2 pick money?
YoungTexanFan said:all of those players have gone through advirsity of some sort, they are all very young and physically gifted. I can garentue that if we were to make that trade, in two years NO would be in the playoffs with our rejects at their core. With a new staff, you will see their potential translate how it should.
That trade would go down as the worst in history and you think young to the titans would bite us in the ***?
I think Carr & one of our 3rd round picks could get it done. But, I'm starting to think that we'll be trading with Tennesse for the #3 pick, a player (Daniel Loper?), & a 3rd round pick. Or, something like that. I can't believe that Young would come out & take a chance that New Orleans would draft him at #2.Nighthawk said:Any reason to think that Carr would be worth the 2nd pick in the first round? No, I didn't think so. Some way we could sweeten the deal? A RB perhaps? Another pick?
man, you seriously do not like some of our guys. Give them a chance.Napa Auto Parts said:Really that trade would bite us NO would be a playoff team not if they start any of the players we trade them
D.Carr Cant Play in this league reason 1
B.Jopru He is worse than fragile fred when it comes to being injured reason 2
T.Hollings wouldnt even make the teams Behind D mcallister A smith Astecker Reason 3
Phillip Buchanon went to the Deion Sanders School Of Tackling. reason 4 how would that make them a playoff team honestly homerism aside.
I'm not making hollings out to be anything but a 2 or 3 back.swtbound07 said:hollings is a 2 or 3 back. David carr HASNT DONE IT for 4 years. Joppru has never played a down in the nfl, so how can you call him a dual threat. Buchanon is made into my favorite breakfast food on a regular basis.
Carr not worth a #2 would definately have to add some players for this to happen.Nighthawk said:Any reason to think that Carr would be worth the 2nd pick in the first round? No, I didn't think so. Some way we could sweeten the deal? A RB perhaps? Another pick?
funnyTale Gator said:ALL OF OUR BUST BELONG TO YOU
If Carr is better than Young, it's probably only because of experience. I defend Carr all the time, because I really believe that he has taken the blame for bad coaching, a bad receiver group, and horrible pass blocking and because I believe he really is a good, descent QB, but I don't think his upside is as high as Young's (IF Young ever manages to get there). Carr's not worth a top 3 pick, no, but I still want to Trade Down because QB is one of the few non-needs on this team, and so is RB. I've said before, I can live with taking Young, but taking Bush scares me and I'm afraid he's going to wind up playing WR primarily.Hookem Horns said:If Carr is a better option than Young (according to many) at QB than he should be worth a top 3 pick considering Young will probably go in the top 3.
if your only listing those four than surely, but faggins and colemen are on you buddy.Tale Gator said:ALL OF OUR BUST BELONG TO YOU
Whatever.Napa Auto Parts said:Really that trade would bite us NO would be a playoff team not if they start any of the players we trade them
D.Carr Cant Play in this league
Gotta agree with that one. I don't think it's likely that Joppru's ever going to make it through 5 games in this league without suffering a season ending injury.Napa Auto Parts said:B.Jopru He is worse than fragile fred when it comes to being injured
I don't think Hollings will ever make it either.Napa Auto Parts said:T.Hollings wouldnt even make the teams Behind D mcallister A smith Astecker
Buchannon's fake attempts at tackling really pissed me off early this year, but , it's true, he would do much better in man coverage, as long as the coaches stay on his butt about the tackling.Napa Auto Parts said:Phillip Buchanon went to the Deion Sanders School Of Tackling.
You're right, for once. It wouldn't.Napa Auto Parts said:how would that make them a playoff team honestly homerism aside.
True, and thank you for admitting it.Napa Auto Parts said:I'm always wrong and HJam is always right.
Passing on Bush to take VY is one thing and vice versa, but if they trade the pick and dont get either it will get ugly in H-Town. Bob knows he cant afford to do that to the fan base and get away with it.HJam72 said:If Carr is better than Young, it's probably only because of experience. I defend Carr all the time, because I really believe that he has taken the blame for bad coaching, a bad receiver group, and horrible pass blocking and because I believe he really is a good, descent QB, but I don't think his upside is as high as Young's (IF Young ever manages to get there). Carr's not worth a top 3 pick, no, but I still want to Trade Down because QB is one of the few non-needs on this team, and so is RB. I've said before, I can live with taking Young, but taking Bush scares me and I'm afraid he's going to wind up playing WR primarily.
I think the fan base is overestimating their willpower. In the end, the only thing that will matter is wins and losses. Granted, trading down and then never having things work out would be disastrous and taking Young might be a safe way to sort of say, "Well, at least we gave you what you wanted, even if it didn't work out."BigBull17 said:Passing on Bush to take VY is one thing and vice versa, but if they trade the pick and dont get either it will get ugly in H-Town. Bob knows he cant afford to do that to the fan base and get away with it.
OK, that's just butt kissing.Napa Auto Parts said:HJam is a god.
I doubt the Saints would take this deal, plus it would bankrupt the Texans and ruin the team. Trading Carr would cost us an $8 million cap hit, trading Walker will cost us a $7.4 million cap hit, trading Todd Wade will cost us a $6.7 million cap hit, Joppru and Hollings will cost $600k, Coleman will cost $2.5 million, and Wiegert will cost $1.4 million. That is $26.6 million in cap hits (total cap next year will be $92-95 million, so this is over one quarter of our cap room gone) just to make this trade. Then, Reggie Bush and Vince Young will each be signed to six year contracts that will be worth a combined $100 million, so that will be another $18 million against the cap next year, bringing the total from this trade up to $44.6 million just to acquire two people (rookies no less) to "lead" this team. That leaves under $50 million for the other 51 players on the active roster, so we're going to have to have an entire roster full of practice-squad caliber players, and it will ruin our team even more than it already is (yes, that is hard to believe, but this is one way to get it done).Xman said:I still think VY has the biggest chance of being a bust - but could also be one of the best.
Anyway, here is my trade suggestion for #2:
Carr - without the qb there is no deal
our #2 pick (I hate to part with this because I think it should be spent on a stud OG)
Gary Walker - We take the cap hit this year instead of riding him out to pasture.
Wade - Again, we take a cap hit, but they can cut him without a penalty if he doesn't pan out for them.
Joppru+Hollings - why not? they haven't shown anything
I would also include Buchy, Coleman and Weigert if they wanted them.
It still wouldn't be enough.