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Bob McNair and this franchise are at a crossroads

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If they pass on Young, who indicated in his press conference that he would love to come home, and if he has ANY kind of success in Nashville playing for the freaking Oilers, McNair will lose this city. I grew up in the Astrodome watching the Astros and Oilers. A gaffe like this will not be tolerated nor will it be forgiven. The honeymoon is long over. Bob McNair is not stupid. Vince Young will be a Texan or this team will be doomed in a very fickle sports town. We never forgave Bud for firing Bum and we never forgave McMullen for letting Nolan go.

If he misses with Young, he WILL be forgiven. If not, he will lose fans and money. It's just that simple.
 
They have to take VY, not really much of a choice here... he is a special talent.

They should be able to get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd rounder for Davie Franchise from a team that is desperate for a potentially average QB.
 
I agree, this franchise will be scarred for life if they pass on Vince, and he turns out to be great (especially if he goes to the Titans)...........I smell "a curse of Bambino" of some sort.
 
All I know is that we were 2-14...It can't get much worse. RB is our deepest position. Let's get rid of Carr and start over with the hometown hero and a new coach and GM.
 
jerek said:
Yes, Vince Young will be a Texan or else ... we will all be doomed?

Honestly, stop watching TV. Stop watching ESPN, stop reading Yahoo Sports and whatever other media source it is that is heaping gasoline on this ridiculous fire. It is making this board dumber by the minute. I mean, what the hell, I suppose lightning will strike, and this next hurricane will park itself over Reliant until every last brick is washed away?

Could you try any harder?
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You just don't get it.
 
bigcarlos said:
LMAO...I thought I was the only one that holds that against him to this day:redtowel:
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That's the biggest reason we told him to watch out for the door hitting his rear end on the way out. I'm so glad he left.
 
All I know is that we were 2-14...It can't get much worse. RB is our deepest position. Let's get rid of Carr and start over with the hometown hero and a new coach and GM
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EXACTLY..........honestly can Vince do any worst of a job than Carr???....people act like David is something special, when he's not.
 
Wordem said:
If they pass on Young, who indicated in his press conference that he would love to come home, and if he has ANY kind of success in Nashville playing for the freaking Oilers, McNair will lose this city. I grew up in the Astrodome watching the Astros and Oilers. A gaffe like this will not be tolerated nor will it be forgiven. The honeymoon is long over. Bob McNair is not stupid. Vince Young will be a Texan or this team will be doomed in a very fickle sports town. We never forgave Bud for firing Bum and we never forgave McMullen for letting Nolan go.

If he misses with Young, he WILL be forgiven. If not, he will lose fans and money. It's just that simple.
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It's a huge risk for him, because if Vince tears it up for the Titans and shows the Texans up in Reliant Stadium once a year, he will never live it down.

But I disagree that he's not the stupid. He is strangely devoted to his man David. I fully expect to see the Texans pass on Vince Young.
 
tulexan said:
I guess you know more than the talent evaluators around the league.
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It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with ticket sales and a fickle fan base. It's in McNair's economic interest to take Young, who I believe is the most talented player on the board. Go by the book. Take the best player available. That is Vince Young, the hometown hero? You think Olajuwon was popular?? You have no idea what VY will do to rally fans in Houston.
 
If Young has really declared, then I would hope Reggie doesn't declare. Then it would be ok to pick VY or trade down to another team that wants VY. The one thing I could not tolerate would be the Titans having young. Also, all these scenarios depend on Bush and Young coming out, the draft order remainin unchanged and the Saints passing on Young. Nobody really knows what NO will do. I don't know I just hope these next few months go by in the blink of an eye.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
If Young has really declared, then I would hope Reggie doesn't declare. Then it would be ok to pick VY or trade down to another team that wants VY. The one thing I could not tolerate would be the Titans having young. Also, all these scenarios depend on Bush and Young coming out, the draft order remainin unchanged and the Saints passing on Young. Nobody really knows what NO will do. I don't know I just hope these next few months go by in the blink of an eye.
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Vince Young declared at 3:00 today. Which means Casserly can comment on him tonight at 10:35 pm on Channel 13, lol.

I would be thrilled if Reggie didn't declare, but I can't see that happening.
 
It doesn't matter to me really who the Texans draft. we have the #1 pick, so whoever we get will help us. The thing is this, the Texans have to make the decision that is in the best interests of the franchise. Obviously winning is #1 on the priority list. The Texans have to draft the player that will help them win the most. In the case of Vince Young they cannot make a decision on him based on where he is from, or on what team might draft him if they pass on him. They have to draft the player who gives them the best chance at winning, everything else is irrelevant. Any decision they make will be second guessed, whether they draft Young, Bush, or trade the pick.
 
If you take Bush, you run the risk of VY succeeding in Nashville. That is unacceptable, especially when Vince has such an upside. No way he plays for Bud. No way.
 
They won't. Reggie Bush is not that type of player. He can't play every down.
Vince Young will touch the ball on every single play. He's the obvious choice.
 
chuckm said:
I'm making plans for my bomb shelter just in case the city riots ...
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Nah. Just plan on seeing more empty seats. Houstonians are the most fickle fans in all of sports behind Atlanta.
 
Wordem said:
Nah. Just plan on seeing more empty seats. Houstonians are the most fickle fans in all of sports behind Atlanta.
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not mine or my wife's seat .... plus it's easier to get to the bathroom .... feel free to stay home
 
chuckm said:
not mine or my wife's seat .... plus it's easier to get to the bathroom .... feel free to stay home
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You don't miss the pick of a generation. You just don't. You think the end of last season was bad. Just wait.
 
A question - Is Vince Young capable of leading this team through his first NFL season? Should the Texans try to draft more veteran leadership? :shrug:
 
Toan said:
You're right we shouldn't pass up the best player in the draft.... which is REGGIE BUSH and not Vince. You're obviously a UT fan and not a Texans fan and just want Vince to stay in Texas, but guess what we ain't gonna pick him. He going to the Titans and I couldn't care less.
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Reggie Bush is not the better player. The NFL will bear that out. Trust me. Vince Young will change the game.
 
Texans have more than one QB on their team ....

Why would the Texans benefit from Reggie Bush over Vince Voung?

(I have not read through all the related threads on this issue yet :yahoo: )
 
tulexan said:
I guess you know more than the talent evaluators around the league.
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Why even worry about the talent evaluators around the league (which are split). Let's ask Pete Carroll who the most dependable player on the bench was for USC's most important offensive play of the season? Bush was on the freaking bench for Pete's sake, and anyone wants to think that he is a franchise running back? When Mack Brown needed one play to win, who did he go to -- the guy who everyone in the world knew was going to score a touchdown no matter what.

VY is the greatest college quarterback to ever play football, if a pro coach can't design an offense of him, he is unworthy to coach at the professional level. Period.
 
I'm thinking that the Texans must consider Vince Young, in spite of their inexplicable devotion to David Carr. Young is too big to be overlooked. However, management has shown itself (with the Casserly hire, and the Capers hire, and the run of the team for the last 4 years) to be inherently conservative, corporate, inclined to take the safe road.

I'm afraid the safe road will be Bush, which means we will lose out on a once in a generation talent. Maybe McNair will surprise us, but think back over his decisions--he hasn't surprised us yet. Surprise isn't really part of his vocabulary. He never planned for Vince Young to land in his lap. Young was supposed to stay in school another year. Now he's announced and the ball is in McNair's court. Let's see how well he can think on his feet.
 
it's not just a "Vince is better than David" thing

Some of yall don't realize how difficult is to move players in this league via trade. You talk like it's a dead giveaway that we can trade Carr for picks? You have aboslutely no idea the cap workings of NFL deals (nor do I).

This isn't Madden, you can't just trade guys for picks. There are other factors.

Besides, if Kubiak is the coach and brings his OL coaches, why waste a pick on a top RB? He already said he can work with Carr (which I believe, our inept coaches had more to do with our struggles of past) and your local sacker at HEB can rush for 1400 yds in the Broncos system.
 
We need to have the courage to dump the garbage like the Gm from the Rockets did concerning Steve Francis. I know that if Bush is taken that i will continue be be a loyal Texan fan but will be watching from the comfort of my chair at home like many of my friends that feel the same way.
 
Wordem said:
If they pass on Young, who indicated in his press conference that he would love to come home, and if he has ANY kind of success in Nashville playing for the freaking Oilers, McNair will lose this city. I grew up in the Astrodome watching the Astros and Oilers. A gaffe like this will not be tolerated nor will it be forgiven. The honeymoon is long over. Bob McNair is not stupid. Vince Young will be a Texan or this team will be doomed in a very fickle sports town. We never forgave Bud for firing Bum and we never forgave McMullen for letting Nolan go.

If he misses with Young, he WILL be forgiven. If not, he will lose fans and money. It's just that simple.
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You know what? I will support this team no matter what. Have I been happy with every move no, but you won't find me following you off the bandwagon just because we don't pick the flavor of the moment.
 
devo-x said:
A question - Is Vince Young capable of leading this team through his first NFL season? Should the Texans try to draft more veteran leadership? :shrug:
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You can't draft a veteran, but you can pick one up in free agency. Also look at Rothleisberger he did pretty good his rookie season, not that I would want to throw Young out there like that, I was just making a comparison.
 
Flavor of the moment? Where have you been the last three years.

Vince Young is as big as Peyton Manning is now -- 6'5", 230 and will get bigger.

As fast as Vick (both run in the 4.4/40 yd) range.

The highest rated quartback in D1 this year.

The first quarterback in NCAA history to pass for 3000yds and run for 1000 yds in HISTORY.

Is a true leader in that every player on the team looks up to him, trusts him, and would never ever want the ball in anyone elses hands to win the game.

HE IS THE GREATEST COLLEGE QUARTERBACK EVER (even Lee Corso agrees). Like I said before, if a coach can't design an offense for him than he is not worthy to be a professional coach.

This would be like passing up on Jordan.

I've never understood how people could be loyal to a player and not a team, BUT, my family had Oilers season tickets for 20 year and have had Texans season tickets since they began and I can easily say: wherever Vince goes, that's my team.
 
Big Ben did well because his team had a great offensive line, a great running game, great receivers, and a great defense. The Texans will have none of that so don't expect Vince to be as successful as Big Ben.
 
One way to settle this is easy who would other teams want Vice Young Or David Carr who would they give up more for then you get the answer who we should get.:twocents:
 
Vince is not as fast as Michael Vick. Vick entered the league running a 4.28 and now runs a low 4.3. Vince runs in a 4.4 range and will slow down once he gets in the league.

And you are quoting Lee Corso? That is like quoting Dick Vitale. Both are cartoon characters who make their living being outrageous and over the top.
 
Vick btw entered the league running in the 4.3s and Vince will not run in the 4.4s he is in the 4.5s or 4.6s.
 
groutfulone said:
Why even worry about the talent evaluators around the league (which are split). Let's ask Pete Carroll who the most dependable player on the bench was for USC's most important offensive play of the season? Bush was on the freaking bench for Pete's sake, and anyone wants to think that he is a franchise running back? When Mack Brown needed one play to win, who did he go to -- the guy who everyone in the world knew was going to score a touchdown no matter what.

VY is the greatest college quarterback to ever play football, if a pro coach can't design an offense of him, he is unworthy to coach at the professional level. Period.
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Brother i found you>
 
tulexan said:
Vince is not as fast as Michael Vick. Vick entered the league running a 4.28 and now runs a low 4.3. Vince runs in a 4.4 range and will slow down once he gets in the league.

And you are quoting Lee Corso? That is like quoting Dick Vitale. Both are cartoon characters who make their living being outrageous and over the top.
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Those Vick times are on and indoor track. His outside times were in the 4.4 range. Even if there is a .1 or .2 difference, he will at LEAST be the second fastest quarterback in the NFL and maybe the biggest: that is sick. And no, I was not quoting Corso, I have said that for a good while, I was just mentioning how someone who was a college coach (albeit not incredibly successful) and is knowledgeable enough for ESPN to think he is worthy to be on GameDay since 1987 at least agrees with me. And yes I was trying to get a laugh with dropping his name.
 
sorry to pop your bubble but Vick dissappointed us with a 4.51 in his workouts before the draft................not the numbers you posted
 
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