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Hookem Horns

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...-officials-to-discuss-relocating-nfl-team.ece

Mark Davis, the owner of the Oakland Raiders, talked with San Antonio leaders on July 18 about the possibility of uprooting from California and moving to Texas, the San Antonio Express-News reported. The Raiders' lease in Oakland expires after the 2014 season.

San Antonio would offer the Alamodome as a temporary home. There are planned upgrades to the 21-year-old facility that could be ready by 2015, including new suites. The site is the home to the UT-San Antonio football team and the annual Alamo Bowl.

Davis would expect the Alamo City to build a new stadium within a few years and has indicated he seeks more of an intimate venue than a 'Jerry Jones-type facility.' And it would be expected to have a statue of his father, Al Davis, in front of it.
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Bad news for Texans fans in central Texas. Austin would be Raider country and the Texans lose TV coverage there.
 
Hookem Horns said:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...-officials-to-discuss-relocating-nfl-team.ece



Bad news for Texans fans in central Texas. Austin would be Raider country and the Texans lose TV coverage there.
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Very interesting you brought this up. Around the 1st of July the A's signed a 10-year lease extension at the Coliseum. When I heard that my first thought was the Raiders would never stand to play at the Coliseum for another decade. Two-and-a-half weeks later this article comes out? I think this story has validity.
 
I'd love to have a 3rd team in Texas, even if it did recall D'nD'er...

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Playoffs said:
I'd love to have a 3rd team in Texas, even if it did recall D'nD'er...

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I would HATE IT! Guess who I would get to watch on Sunday? Cowboys and Raiders. Yeah, I know, I could watch the Texans via other outlets, but I just don't want the competition here in Austin. It's bad enough as it is.
 
While the NFL insists they want a team in LA????? Could be a ploy to force the NFL to subsidize a new stadium for them in LA.
 
Interesting. I guess if LA comes up short again on a commitment that San Antonio would be a logical choice and I believe they would do whatever necessary to make it happen.
 
Hasn't LA always been a little fickle in regards to football fandom?

Would moving to San Antonio give the Raiders and move stable and passionate fan base?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
While the NFL insists they want a team in LA????? Could be a ploy to force the NFL to subsidize a new stadium for them in LA.
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this ^^^^ raiders do have leverage. A's have made commitment & right now a much hotter commodity, so it would behoove NFL to relocate & build new facility in LA market instead.

speaking of A's did anyone else see that classic meltdown of Chad Qualls in 9th with a 4-1 lead two outs & lose 4-7? maybe the Astros are the ones moving to San Antonio?
 
beerlover said:
this ^^^^ raiders do have leverage. A's have made commitment & right now a much hotter commodity, so it would behoove NFL to relocate & build new facility in LA market instead.

speaking of A's did anyone else see that classic meltdown of Chad Qualls in 9th with a 4-1 lead two outs & lose 4-7? maybe the Astros are the ones moving to San Antonio?
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Would anyone really notice? I know this is the wrong forum, but I fear the Astros could become the new Pittsburgh Pirates under Crane.. I do not like that guy.
 
I'm gonna guess that Bob and Jerry would be able to do a pretty good job of keeping Lloyd Christmas II from ever getting the 75 percent approval of other owners necessary to make this happen, and unlike his father, he wouldn't have the combination of balls and hubris to do it anyway.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 8h

Asked a league source what about #Raiders meeting in San Antonio. Was asked this: "What does Jerry Jones think? Or Bob McNair?" Big obstacle
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Not good for Texans fans down here in South Texas. Already competing with the Cowboys for TV time and then to have another team so close. If it did happen, would they leave em in the AFC West? That would really put a damper on the TV time for the Texans.

And they would have to build a stadium quick, that Alamodome sucks for football. Only good seats for football games are the end zones and between the 40's on the field level.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I'm gonna guess that Bob and Jerry would be able to do a pretty good job of keeping Lloyd Christmas II from ever getting the 75 percent approval of other owners necessary to make this happen, and unlike his father, he wouldn't have the combination of balls and hubris to do it anyway.
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I would be surprised if Jerry were to vote against it since back in 1999 the NFL owners voted 29-0 (Jerry and Bud) to accept McNairs offer for the franchise over the one finally offered by LA.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
I'm gonna guess that Bob and Jerry would be able to do a pretty good job of keeping Lloyd Christmas II from ever getting the 75 percent approval of other owners necessary to make this happen, and unlike his father, he wouldn't have the combination of balls and hubris to do it anyway.
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Agreed! When I read this news last night I immediately shrugged it off as no way in heck the owners will allow this to happen.
 
If you consider San Antonio/Austin one big market, it's truly bigger than many existing NFL markets. Actually I think SA alone is bigger than some.

So from that aspect it works and I think any NFL team would have good support in central Texas considering it's a football crazed area (as is the entire state).

If any state should have 3 teams it should be Texas, considering the size and that football is the number one sport.

With that said, Jerry and Bob would have to convince the other owners to shoot it down because of their own personal interests, not because it wouldn't be good for the league.

Personally, I don't think this would affect the Cowboys or especially the Texans too much.

The Texans never seemed to care very much about winning fans in central Texas or outside of the Houston area in general. I remember the small outreach thing they were doing for a few seasons but I don't remember anything beyond that (unless that's changed in the last 2 years since I have been gone).

I guess Jerry might lose some fans in the SA area and I think he is the only one that doesn't participate in merchandise rev sharing, so maybe he loses some sales, however their following in general isn't going to be affected that much.

This just would suck for the existing Texans fan living in those areas because of TV. It would be what Dolphin fans here in central Florida (there a lot of them) have to deal with because of the Jags. The Jags start up and instantly get TV rights to the Orlando market. It's funny because they will often put on scrolling text apologizing to Dolphin fans for having to air Jags road games (when the Jags are home they can show Dolphins games here). I could see that happening if the Raiders were in the NFC, however I don't think the Texans have the same type of following outside of Houston that the Dolphins have in other parts of Florida outside of Miami.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Having been to Oakland and having biz partners in that area I don't see them staying there. Many people in that area are staying away because of the "cholo" thing going on in that stadium. One guy out there told me that he was a big Raiders fan but stopped going to their games because it's like walking through the hood. He told me if there are no opposing fans to fight they start fighting with themselves. Also that place is a dump.
 
McNair speaks on SA overture...


Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
McNair says he wouldn't oppose it just because it was San Antonio. Would look at facts and see if thar would strengthen the league. #Texans

#Texans owner Bob McNair is talking San Antonio. Says if there were a team there "half the fans (in the stands) would be ours."
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James Palmer @JPalmerCSN
Bob McNair is chairman of the finance committee so said he'd obviously be involved in a team coming to San Antonio. Would not say he's opposed

Bob McNair joked LA has been in play for a team for 16 years, so yes they're in play. Said there is movement there right now.

Texans owner Bob McNair said if a team was in San Antonio half the fans in the stands would be #Texans fans
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Reading between the lines of all of the twitter coverage... pretty sure his answer is "No." JMO
 
Texans owner Bob McNair said if a team was in San Antonio half the fans in the stands would be #Texans fans
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He's out of his mind. He says this based on what? All the time and effort put forth by the Texans to acknowledge the Austin fan base?? It's nonexistent.

I've already heard some of the first opinions by Austin (so called) fans of the Cowboys and Texans. If the Raiders came to Central Texas they couldn't burn their jerseys fast enough. I'm thinking it's a kneejerk reaction to the prospect of a Central Texas team, though.

I'm sure most Texan/Cowboy fans would stick with their team, but to say a SA Raiders/Texans game at the Alamo would be 50/50 in the stands is delusional.
 
Bob is definitely delusional. San Antonio and Austin are staunchly Cowboy fans. As for SA getting a team, I'd support that if they'd place the stadium midway between SA and Austin, and call them something like the Texas Raiders where both cities could participate. That would be a large enough fanbase, with the right corporate support to succeed.
 
Showtime100 said:
He's out of his mind. He says this based on what? All the time and effort put forth by the Texans to acknowledge the Austin fan base?? It's nonexistent.

I've already heard some of the first opinions by Austin (so called) fans of the Cowboys and Texans. If the Raiders came to Central Texas they couldn't burn their jerseys fast enough. I'm thinking it's a kneejerk reaction to the prospect of a Central Texas team, though.

I'm sure most Texan/Cowboy fans would stick with their team, but to say a SA Raiders/Texans game at the Alamo would be 50/50 in the stands is delusional.
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I see nothing mentioned about a Raiders/Texans matchup. Maybe the 50/50 comment means he expects that many Texans fans to be jumping ship?
 
JCTexan said:
I see nothing mentioned about a Raiders/Texans matchup. Maybe the 50/50 comment means he expects that many Texans fans to be jumping ship?
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I took it to mean a Texans/Raiders game. So I might have misunderstood and Uncle Bob thinks Texan fans will just go to Raider games therefore (presumably) missing their own Texans play in the process? Unless one team played a primetime game that week that's what would happen.

Plus, I would like to think any self-respecting Texan fan would go out of his way to watch the Texans on TV or go to NRG to see it.

If THAT'S what he meant he's lost the reigns.
 
Has nothing to do with either or reality, it's just McNair's way of saying he doesn't want a team in San Antonio while not saying it. I'm sure Jerruh feels the same way. Pooty parpers.
 
I wouldn't mind since the Raiders are one of the teams I root for when I'm not rooting for the Texans.

Would be even better if they moved here and we could have a new division with Dallas, San Antonio and New Orleans.

:cowboy1:
 
I quit listening to what owners say (or don't say) a couple of years ago. I have zero confidence Bob McNair will stand in their way if this gets serious.

Owners of Houston sports teams have this knack for doing the exact opposite of what they should do.
 
Showtime100 said:
I quit listening to what owners say (or don't say) a couple of years ago. I have zero confidence Bob McNair will stand in their way if this gets serious.

Owners of Houston sports teams have this knack for doing the exact opposite of what they should do.
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Couldn't disagree more. The Texans have demonstrated some degree of ineptitude from a football operations standpoint, but quite the opposite from a financial/business standpoint, and this would clearly fall into that second category.
 
Seems like a real long-shot, but then I never thought that Houston would beat out LA for an NFL franchise, so who knows. As a practical matter, I think SA could support a team and with that cheap Texas RE (compared to California), it would sure be a lot less expensive to build a new stadium there than in LA.
 
FirstTexansFan said:
Bob is definitely delusional. San Antonio and Austin are staunchly Cowboy fans. As for SA getting a team, I'd support that if they'd place the stadium midway between SA and Austin, and call them something like the Texas Raiders where both cities could participate. That would be a large enough fanbase, with the right corporate support to succeed.
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I almost would want to see this happen, if for anything to pee in Jerrah's Cheerios.

I also would want to know how the people in San Antonio would feel towards Jerrah and Bob if they were the ones responsible for blocking them from getting a NFL team.

If I were a native of SA this would leave a bad taste in my mouth and might damper me from supporting their teams.

Honestly, as I think about this more, if I were still living in Austin I might actually want this. There are enough ways to watch the Texans so that would not be much of a concern.

It's actually pretty cool living within driving distance to multiple NFL teams. The more local rivals the more fun it is. I like the fact that where I live now I have the Bucs an hour and a half away, the Jags 2 hours away and the Dolphins 4 hours away. When I lived in Delaware it was cool having the Eagles, Giants, Jets, Redskins and now Ravens within doable driving distance.
 
santo said:
I wouldn't mind since the Raiders are one of the teams I root for when I'm not rooting for the Texans.

Would be even better if they moved here and we could have a new division with Dallas, San Antonio and New Orleans.

:cowboy1:
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I would love that. I'm interested to see how the other divisions would shake up, but that would be an awesome southern division.

As for a team in SA, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I wouldn't root for them ever, but I know they would have a great fanbase in San Antonio.
 
Lol, I'm listening to Jay Mohr's show at somebody from San Antonio tweeted an Oakland fan saying, paraphrasing, "bring 'em on. Let them learn how to win from the REAL silver and black."

I'm no Spurs fan, but that was awesome. Until I heard that I didn't even think about the colors.

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I heard something about Goodell trying to talk the Niners into letting the Raiders play in Santa Clara, if nothing else on a temporary basis. I can't see that happening. The Niners would love to put the squeeze on the Raiders. They'd even rent the moving vans.
 
I just don't see this happening. Oakland's ineptitude might cost them the Raiders, but if the Raiders do leave, the only logical destination is LA. The league wants a team in LA, owners in the NFL want a team in LA, and there are enough fans to warrant a team in LA. And to top that off, Jerry Jones will do everything in his power to make sure San Antonio never gets their own team.
 
kingtexan said:
Will never happen. Its a ploy to get more money out of Oakland or LA ...
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Hookem Horns said:
I remember telling everyone that about Nashville and the Oilers.
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I see it more like Bud Adams and Jacksonville circa 1987.

By the time Nashville entered the picture, they had a new stadium deal with lots of incentives to offer Bud.

San Antonio's offer to upgrade the Alamodome is pretty weak, all things considered. If a city truly wants and NFL team, then they'd better step up to the plate with a serious offer. Right now I think SA is being used like a pawn on a chess board.
 
Anyone remember the CFL team, the San Antonio Texans?

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Hookem Horns said:
If you consider San Antonio/Austin one big market, it's truly bigger than many existing NFL markets. Actually I think SA alone is bigger than some.

So from that aspect it works and I think any NFL team would have good support in central Texas considering it's a football crazed area (as is the entire state).

If any state should have 3 teams it should be Texas, considering the size and that football is the number one sport.

With that said, Jerry and Bob would have to convince the other owners to shoot it down because of their own personal interests, not because it wouldn't be good for the league.

Personally, I don't think this would affect the Cowboys or especially the Texans too much.

The Texans never seemed to care very much about winning fans in central Texas or outside of the Houston area in general. I remember the small outreach thing they were doing for a few seasons but I don't remember anything beyond that (unless that's changed in the last 2 years since I have been gone).

I guess Jerry might lose some fans in the SA area and I think he is the only one that doesn't participate in merchandise rev sharing, so maybe he loses some sales, however their following in general isn't going to be affected that much.

This just would suck for the existing Texans fan living in those areas because of TV. It would be what Dolphin fans here in central Florida (there a lot of them) have to deal with because of the Jags. The Jags start up and instantly get TV rights to the Orlando market. It's funny because they will often put on scrolling text apologizing to Dolphin fans for having to air Jags road games (when the Jags are home they can show Dolphins games here). I could see that happening if the Raiders were in the NFC, however I don't think the Texans have the same type of following outside of Houston that the Dolphins have in other parts of Florida outside of Miami.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Having been to Oakland and having biz partners in that area I don't see them staying there. Many people in that area are staying away because of the "cholo" thing going on in that stadium. One guy out there told me that he was a big Raiders fan but stopped going to their games because it's like walking through the hood. He told me if there are no opposing fans to fight they start fighting with themselves. Also that place is a dump.
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San Antonio is large enough for an NFL Franchise and more importantly, it is a GROWING market rather than a shrinking one.

LA is just not a Football City so let it stay a poofball City.
 
Thorn said:
Anyone remember the CFL team, the San Antonio Texans?

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yep. And unfortunately, yet another reminder that teams that have had the Texans as mascot have never accomplished anything significant.

Houston Texans, a 1974 World Football League team that became the Shreveport Steamer
Dallas Texans (Arena), an Arena Football League team that played from 1990 to 1993
Dallas Texans (NFL), an NFL team in 1952
The Dallas Texans, an American Football League team of 1960–1962 that became the Kansas City Chiefs
San Antonio Texans, a Canadian Football League team that played during the 1995 season
Dallas Texans (AHA), 1941–1942 team in the American Hockey Association
Dallas Texans (USHL), 1945–1949 team in the United States Hockey League (1945–1951)

But enough of all that. OUR Texans will be different. Someday. :kitten:
 
I'd love to see a third Texas team...but that Alamodome is a friggin' dump. It's barely a step up from the miserable toilet, er libertybowl in Memphis when the Oilers moved. I went to games there and it was a joke to host NFL games in such a miserable venue. Even on a temp basis it's not dignified. WFL or USFL...I can see it, but not the NFL.
 
Double Barrel said:
I see it more like Bud Adams and Jacksonville circa 1987.

By the time Nashville entered the picture, they had a new stadium deal with lots of incentives to offer Bud.

San Antonio's offer to upgrade the Alamodome is pretty weak, all things considered. If a city truly wants and NFL team, then they'd better step up to the plate with a serious offer. Right now I think SA is being used like a pawn on a chess board.
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The Alamo dome face lift is not the offer. It is a temporary accommodation while a brand new stadium is built.

I don't really care one way or the other. I will never root for the Raiders no matter where they move and they will never be a Texas team but if San Antonio wants them good luck.
 
Double Barrel said:
Houston Texans, a 1974 World Football League team that became the Shreveport Steamer
Dallas Texans (Arena), an Arena Football League team that played from 1990 to 1993
Dallas Texans (NFL), an NFL team in 1952
The Dallas Texans, an American Football League team of 1960–1962 that became the Kansas City Chiefs
San Antonio Texans, a Canadian Football League team that played during the 1995 season
Dallas Texans (AHA), 1941–1942 team in the American Hockey Association
Dallas Texans (USHL), 1945–1949 team in the United States Hockey League (1945–1951)

But enough of all that. OUR Texans will be different. Someday. :kitten:
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Cool list. If I may add one? The Ft. Worth Texans (1974–1982) of the Central Hockey League. I saw them play the Houston Apollos a couple of times in the old Coliseum. :)
 
FirstTexansFan said:
Bob is definitely delusional. San Antonio and Austin are staunchly Cowboy fans. As for SA getting a team, I'd support that if they'd place the stadium midway between SA and Austin, and call them something like the Texas Raiders where both cities could participate. That would be a large enough fanbase, with the right corporate support to succeed.
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Agree! Somewhere between Live Oak and New Braunfels. Retama Park would be ideal. That would put it 50-60 miles from Austin. 30 or less from San Marcos. However San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US and could easily fill the stadium if they built a new stadium where the Dome is now. From a Marketing stand point somewhere in the area of Live Oak to New Braunfels makes sense. City of SA would prefer the Alamo dome area where they could use the facility for conventions to generate tax revenues. That didn't stop folks from building the ATT Center outside of downtown. Raiders would come with an International fan base.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I almost would want to see this happen, if for anything to pee in Jerrah's Cheerios.

I also would want to know how the people in San Antonio would feel towards Jerrah and Bob if they were the ones responsible for blocking them from getting a NFL team.

If I were a native of SA this would leave a bad taste in my mouth and might damper me from supporting their teams.

Honestly, as I think about this more, if I were still living in Austin I might actually want this. There are enough ways to watch the Texans so that would not be much of a concern.

It's actually pretty cool living within driving distance to multiple NFL teams. The more local rivals the more fun it is. I like the fact that where I live now I have the Bucs an hour and a half away, the Jags 2 hours away and the Dolphins 4 hours away. When I lived in Delaware it was cool having the Eagles, Giants, Jets, Redskins and now Ravens within doable driving distance.
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Yes, me too. Several folks think no way this happens. IMO I think odds might be in favor of it happening. Jerah has rubbed most owners and NFL the wrong way on a couple of occasions. Once when they they took advantage of salary cap in the no cap year. IIRC NFL hit Dallas and Wash with $20 mil penalty for not abiding with the league agreement. Owners voted 30-0 in favor of the penalty, I believe. Dallas sued NFL and lost. Didn't Jerah also sue NFL for Dallas to keep all merchandising and not share with NFL. If the Raiders wanted to move to S.A. I think getting 24 votes might be easier than some imagine. I imagine there are quite a few owners who would also like to take a whizz in Jerah's Cheerios. (Cak should be along shortly to give us the exact details of Jerah's dissatisfactions with the NFL.)
 
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Has San Antonio (w/ the help of Austin) even proposed a stadium plan? The Alamodome is not an option. The NFL made that clear whenever the Saints were displaced because of Katrina.

I think San Antonio might lack some corporate power, but if they and Austin teamed up, they might figure out a plan.

That said, I would feel extremely bad for my fellow Texans fans in Central and South Texas. If this ever came to fruition, the Texans might as well be... :thinking: the Buffalo Bills? Browns?

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I liked Bob McNair's response when it came to the question about the Raiders moving back to LA.... (paraphrased) "They've been working on a team for LA for sixteen years"
 
Texian said:
Agree! Somewhere between Live Oak and New Braunfels. Retama Park would be ideal. That would put it 50-60 miles from Austin. 30 or less from San Marcos. However San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US and could easily fill the stadium if they built a new stadium where the Dome is now. From a Marketing stand point somewhere in the area of Live Oak to New Braunfels makes sense. City of SA would prefer the Alamo dome area where they could use the facility for conventions to generate tax revenues. That didn't stop folks from building the ATT Center outside of downtown. Raiders would come with an International fan base.
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from what I understand it isn't the ability to fill the seats that has stunted San Antonio's desire to bring a NFL team to their fair city, but the lack of ability to farm the corporate dollar for sponsorships and elite tier seating/suites. This is the same challenge for all the small market clubs so it can be done, but it's challenging. I just think the NFL would rather be in one of the coastal mega markets over introducing another 'small market' city such as San Antonio or OKC (for instance). While they may be able to sell individual seats there is a lack of corporate abundance in those types of cities.
 
First thing come to my mind was Red McCombs. If LA was going to get NFL team it would have by now (uh besides the LA Raiders). I think it comes down to what McNair and Jerry can get out of it & don't tell me they can't. Also, is there enough big business in the target area to not only fill the boxes and buy advertising but to pressure Bob and Jones to not vote no? I doubt the NFL or Texans/Cowboys care much about their fans in target area as many will remain regardless.

Could San Antonio work into Super Bowl site rotation? Texas governor and other politicos and businesses could put pressure on Jones & McNair. I'm not sure target area can afford a $700 m new stadium but maybe Mattress Mac could open an outlet there and doesn't Tillmon Ferttito have restaurant(s) in S.A.?

Until Jones bought Cowboys, I did follow Dallas some and would probably at least check into Raiders if in San Antonio.
 
I think this would be great if it were to happen. That would give us another place to watch games at just a few hours away. The Raiders could work in San Antonio. I don't see it happening though. Jerry Jones has a big market of fans out there, and from what I understand he has lobbied to keep away any opportunities of that city getting an NFL team there in the past. The Raiders have the same color uniforms as the Spurs as well and I think the personality of the team would fit well there.
 
I wouldn't mind cali has 3 NFL teams NY has 3 and FLordia has 3


I think Texas can handle 3 teams

but only if they move the raiders to the AFC south and take either the Jags or colts out
 
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