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UPDATE: Texans Trade Yates to Falcons

EllisUnit said:
Mcnair doe own this team, Keenum helps sell tickets, you can believe he believes that !
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Considering they've sold out every home game they've ever played, I'm not so sure that any one player is helping sell more tickets. And if there was, guys like Watt or AJ would be the ones bringing people to the games more than Case would be.
 
Speedy said:
Considering they've sold out every home game they've ever played, I'm not so sure that any one player is helping sell more tickets. And if there was, guys like Watt or AJ would be the ones bringing people to the games more than Case would be.
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It was just a theory, but like it or not Case is one of the most popular backups in houston. I'm sure his jersey has had pretty good sales as well.
 
It's that weak willed head coach we got, caving in to the demands of the millions of UH alumni.
 
Come on guys i was just throwing out some possible justification, who really knows. Unless Case really did just out perform TJ
 
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John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

Keenum learned a lot during his 8 starts. He'll be better cause of those experiences and cause offensive players are healthy again.
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John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

As a starter in '13, Keenum had 7 TDs and 0 INTs in first 3 starts. Then injuries deciated offense, and he struggled as defenses adjusted.
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John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

I expect Keenum to be even better in camp and preseason this year. He's a gamer. He'll impress the coaches when he gets a chance.
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John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

I'm happy for Case Keenum. Nobody works harder or is more respected. He tore it up in camp and preseason last year.
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OB went with the "team" guy, and did right by Yates by releasing him as soon as he knew he wanted to to allow TJ to get on with another club. Integrity. (Not to be misconstrued as a negative on Yates, just that imo Case's intangibles aligned more with the vision OB has for this team/organization.)



T.J. Yates ‏@TJ_Yates
Can't thank the Texans organization and the city of Houston enough! We've had some great memories and I will always call Houston home.
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Playoffs said:
OB went with the "team" guy, and did right by Yates by releasing him as soon as he knew he wanted to to allow TJ to get on with another club. Integrity. (Not to be misconstrued as a negative on Yates, just that imo Case's intangibles aligned more with the vision OB has for this team/organization.)[/COLOR]
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Could you elaborate Playoffs ? You suggesting that Yates was not a "team guy", and how does Keenum have superior intangibles to Yates ? Not being argumentative here, just curious on your thinking process ?
 
EllisUnit said:
Come on guys i was just throwing out some possible justification, who really knows. Unless Case really did just out perform TJ
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In the press conference just before this announcement, BoB said that he needed more consistency from all 3 guys vying for the #2 spot...meaning all 3 were basically even in the competition up to that point....yep, the ultimate fan Bob McNair put that call in...
 
why would anyone be surprised that BoB made a statement
that all 3 were in the game then immediately cut Yates?

He stated that the entire previous staff would be evaluated
on a Saturday and then gave _everyone_ but one of the
coaches their walking papers on Monday.

Just par for the course..
 
Mr teX said:
In the press conference just before this announcement, BoB said that he needed more consistency from all 3 guys vying for the #2 spot...meaning all 3 were basically even in the competition up to that point....yep, the ultimate fan Bob McNair put that call in...
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Was his presser before practice today or after? Normally it's after, right?
 
speedfreek said:
He stated that the entire previous staff would be evaluated on a Saturday and then gave _everyone_ but one of the coaches their walking papers on Monday.

Just par for the course..
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McNair put in the call for that one coach too, I'm sure. :rolleyes:
 
I expected Yates to be cut.

His ceiling isn't as high as Keenum's and he doesn't bring energy to the game like Keenum.

That said, Keenum isn't a lock to make this roster either.
 
IDEXAN said:
Could you elaborate Playoffs ? You suggesting that Yates was not a "team guy", and how does Keenum have superior intangibles to Yates ? Not being argumentative here, just curious on your thinking process ?
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My bad, was in the middle of editing/adding when I had to take and then make some phone calls so it was left hanging there... it's edited to complete my thought.

Dr CND & I were talking about this the other day... that reports were it was very close between TJ & Case... and I suggested that OB may end up choosing the guy who most fits what he's looking for as far as mental makeup. I think Case walked in the door that way. That's all.

If someone like Matt McGloin hits the streets we may see Case go. I'm not sure yet we're finished at QB, having first spot for waivers. We'll see.

The best news effect of Yate's release is O'Brien wants Savage to get his reps... now. Which is a good sign. Not that he'll start, but that he's not slipping back which isn't uncommon with rookies -- especially late rounders.
 
McNair didn't have crap to do with the decision to keep Keenum and release Yates, the man who made that decision was Bill O'Brien and it was strictly tied to football reasons and not to "sell jerseys and tickets". The paranoia and conspiracy theories that this fanbase develops gets ridiculous sometimes.
 
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speedfreek said:
why would anyone be surprised that BoB made a statement
that all 3 were in the game then immediately cut Yates?

He stated that the entire previous staff would be evaluated
on a Saturday and then gave _everyone_ but one of the
coaches their walking papers on Monday.

Just par for the course..
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LOL, John Harris did say not to believe everything Bill says :)
 
Carr Bombed said:
McNair didn't have crap to do with the decision to keep Keenum and release Yates, the man who made that decision was Bill O'Brien and it was strictly tied to football reasons and not to "sell jerseys and tickets". The paranoia and conspiracy theories than this fanbase develops gets ridiculous sometimes.
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You mean like the doldrums of this time of the season? :lol:
 
Last year at this time the super bowl talk started. By the second game of preseasson we already had ticket sales. Now we're 4-12 and drafting number 1 next year. We'll be losing to Ghana before the season starts.

Sounds like pretty good odds to me!!

The sky is not falling.....it's always that putrid yellow color in Houston!:clown:
 
I will never forget the insane 4th qtr drive he had @ cincy to secure our first PS ticket

beat ATL at home something I don't even think schaub could of done would of prob choked it

and beating cicny again get our first PLayoff win



anyway I hope Keenum is next only need 2 qb IMO we could really use that 3rd spot for something else like a OLB ILB or CB

hell even a Tackle at this point
 
Mr teX said:
In the press conference just before this announcement, BoB said that he needed more consistency from all 3 guys vying for the #2 spot...meaning all 3 were basically even in the competition up to that point....yep, the ultimate fan Bob McNair put that call in...
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Just curious, is that statement from sources or mere speculation on your part?

You seem to be ignoring the real possibility that Keenum simply performed better than Yates with your attempts to belittle Keemun. So if you have actual sources, then I'd look on your post differently.
 
yates i honestly dont expect to be here. not because i think he's bad, but i think his ceiling is a backup. yates to me is a young sage rosenfels, and i say that as a compliment.
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i posted this a month or more ago. like every "potential" player, there are perceived ceilings and floors. yates doesnt have much of a ceiling. his top end is ryan fitzpatrick, and we already have that. keenum has a much higher ceiling, though it comes with a rock bottom floor. it makes more sense to explore that potential than it does to verify a long term backup.
 
Norg said:
I will never forget the insane 4th qtr drive he had @ cincy to secure our first PS ticket

beat ATL at home something I don't even think schaub could of done would of prob choked it

and beating cicny again get our first PLayoff win



anyway I hope Keenum is next only need 2 qb IMO we could really use that 3rd spot for something else like a OLB ILB or CB

hell even a Tackle at this point
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We'll have at least one QB on the ps if we go with 2 on the roster. But that doesn't really prepare you to play well.
 
SAMURAITEXAN said:
Thank you TJ and good luck to you where ever you ended up playing for.
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Norg said:
I will never forget the insane 4th qtr drive he had @ cincy to secure our first PS ticket

beat ATL at home something I don't even think schaub could of done would of prob choked it

and beating cicny again get our first PLayoff win
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Yep, thanks for some great memories T.J.!!! :fans:

T.J. Yates was selected with the 152nd pick (fifth round) of the 2011 NFL Draft by the Houston Texans.

He first saw action in a November 27, 2011 game against the Jacksonville Jaguars when quarterback Matt Leinart left the game with a collarbone injury. Yates made his first ever professional career start in the next game against the Atlanta Falcons and also became the first ever former University of North Carolina quarterback to start an NFL game.

Yates started his second game on December 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. Yates completed 26-of-44 passes for 300 yards. He threw two touchdowns and one interception and led the Texans to their tenth win, clinching a playoff spot for the first time in franchise history. For his performance in the Bengals game he was named the Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week.

On January 7, 2012, Yates led the Texans to their first ever playoff win with the score of 31-10 over the Cincinnati Bengals (the same team Yates and the Texans beat to clinch their first ever playoff berth), becoming the fifth rookie quarterback to win a playoff game.
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Marshall said:
Just curious, is that statement from sources or mere speculation on your part?

You seem to be ignoring the real possibility that Keenum simply performed better than Yates with your attempts to belittle Keemun. So if you have actual sources, then I'd look on your post differently.
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Lol, here's BoB talking a little about the qb competition after the 1st practice of minicamp right before Yates was cut.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Bill-OBrien-Fitzpatrick-is-our-starter/3a8bce0c-b8bd-4918-ab4e-931bd2035967#/tv-media/videos/OBrien_on_first_day_of_minicamp/ab5f9555-b9ec-4338-8ebd-17729a84af2f

BoB had been saying the same thing about all the guys up to that point, yet he went on ahead and named Fitz the starter before most coaches in his situation do which clearly shows how he felt about Fitz. He also makes clear distinctions about Savage's progression most times by saying things like he's "a little behind" or just mentioning him separately from the other 2; which tells me he's likely not seriously considering Savage to be his #2 at this point. That left Case and TJ in which he doesn't say anything 1 way or the other about either guy...which implies that they're pretty much even. We also have their history. Neither guy could really separate themselves from each other last year in the preseason....

That leaves only a few variables left. Case's supposed higher "upside" and/or him outperforming TJ in OTA's......the above stuff doesn't seem to suggest either 1 of those being a real factor. The only thing you're really left with his McNair. It wouldn't be the 1st time McNair got involved with the qb situation.

Only Keenum fan boys take it as a slight to Keenum...instead of honestly evaluating Keenum's situation here.
 
Mr Tex, sorry, but you still don't make any sense to me.
McNair wouldn't even have to put in the call at any time, let alone the last minute.
It would have been a condition of employment for O'Brien.
 
76Texan said:
Mr Tex, sorry, but you still don't make any sense to me.
McNair wouldn't even have to put in the call at any time, let alone the last minute.
It would have been a condition of employment for O'Brien.
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You're taking it literally...That's not how i meant it at all....whether it was last minute or a condition of employment for O'brien, It's the same thing to me. Case has support here that Yates didn't...which very well could've been the deciding factor all things being even as it appears that they were.

Could've been something as simple as McNair saying to B'ob "give him a legitimate shot to make the roster b/c i don't believe he really got that last year.." & from Bo'B's perspective it could've just been a matter of seeing if he could be at least as good as Yatesfor the back up role so that they could afford to let go of TJ...who knows

In any event, TJ is gone, Lets focus on the 3 still here.
 
Mr teX said:
You're taking it literally...That's not how i meant it at all....whether it was last minute or a condition of employment for O'brien, It's the same thing to me. Case has support here that Yates didn't...which very well could've been the deciding factor all things being even as it appears that they were.

Could've been something as simple as McNair saying to B'ob "give him a legitimate shot to make the roster b/c i don't believe he really got that last year.." & from Bo'B's perspective it could've just been a matter of seeing if he could be at least as good as Yates so that they could maybe afford to let go of TJ...who knows

In any event, TJ is gone, Lets focus on the 3 still here.
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I dunno, man.
Keenum did get cut in against the wish of his fan club.
McNair didn't put in a call for him then, did he?
 
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