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Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

EllisUnit

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http://houston.culturemap.com/news/...um-real-chance-as-houston-texans-starting-qb/

This idea that Keenum's already flamed out after eight games of being yo-yoed around in his first year playing never held much basis in reality. Keenum showed more than enough promise under impossible circumstances to warrant a real chance. Keenum still has yet to play even one full game with the Texans' most important offensive player.

Plenty would have been different for Keenum and the Texans if the University of Houston star had Arian Foster in the backfield last season. There's no way Keenum finishes winless as a starter with a healthy Foster for one. That 0-8 easily would have been two to three wins better. At minimum.
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Pretty interesting article i do agree with some points for sure. No doubt not having Foster allowed defenses to key in on Keenum more.
 
This man's opinion will always be tainted by his article saying we should have drafted Nick Fairley instead of JJ Watt, and saying we would be sorry for it.
 
Strange title from the "pizza boy JJ Watt" originator...

Does Arian's presence only help Keenum, or all the QBs...? :thinking:
 
Arian Foster in the backfield or not doesn't change the fact that Keenum couldn't recognize defenses or pressure packages & make the proper adjustments in protection presnap.

That was the single biggest issue for him last season , that's not to say he cant make improvements in that department either but for him to become a real NFL caliber QB he's going to have to make great strides , not just marginal improvement in that aspect of QB play.


Good Luck .....
 
Vance87 said:
This man's opinion will always be tainted by his article saying we should have drafted Nick Fairley instead of JJ Watt, and saying we would be sorry for it.
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It wasn't that he just said we should have taken Fairley over Watt; it was how he said it. He dismissively referred to Watt as Pizza Boy. That is immature and unprofessional, even if you didn't like the Watt pick at the time.

Tom Savage switched schools more than once, and yet, Baldwin dismissively referred to him as "Mr Transfer" and essentially said that he was a weak person who couldn't handle adversity. That's just a bit much.
 
Keenum had to start right away last year. And really was trying to learn the offense. But hopefully he will really be better this year. As he gets to know the offense more.
 
I don't know what to put on Schaub and the rest of the qb's anymore. Someone showed me some clips from last year of this team and there were certain instances where the team just seemed confused.

Case running back and taking massive losses on those sacks is inexcusable, but on some of those sacks it wasn't about case not recognizing it. Our oline simply didn't pick it up.

I don't think kubiak did a good job making adjustments over any time period and I think those chickens came home to roost last season. Lots of confusion out there. Undisciplined play. I have been down on Schaub for a while as a player, but I've also said some of that could have been due to the offense as well. Schaub was no star talent, but I don't think he was a scrub he looked like last year either.

I'm not sure how any of these qb's will perform or if ultimately on OB will field a more disciplined, finely tuned team but I suspect he will.

I say all this to say that I think case has some talent and if he can mentally grasp this offense, and if OB can do his thing case and the other qb's could really surprise. I think the qb battle is going to good. The one guy I worry about is Yates...from a fit standpoint. But hell...he could surprise me too.

I also heard that the texans were trying to move Yates before the draft as well. Fwiw.
 
I'm tired of all these excuses needed for Keenum to be successful. I'm pulling for him to be our starter this year but I'm tired of the fans saying that he needs an OL a RB, etc to succeed. Let's just see what he can do in this new system. He has a chance, now let's see and hope he can overcome the QB battle.
 
Corrosion said:
Arian Foster in the backfield or not doesn't change the fact that Keenum couldn't recognize defenses or pressure packages & make the proper adjustments in protection presnap.

That was the single biggest issue for him last season , that's not to say he cant make improvements in that department either but for him to become a real NFL caliber QB he's going to have to make great strides , not just marginal improvement in that aspect of QB play.


Good Luck .....
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The strange thing, is that the Texans called protection the same way they did it at A&M (and I'm assuming the same way at UH) in so much as it was done by the center.

It seemed as if Case wasn't on the same page with the OL because he thought the free runner was going to get picked up by someone else, when "everybody" else knew he had to deal with that guy.

Maybe he was calling the protection at UH, I'm just assuming it was handled the same in all the Art Briles' systems.

But yeah, hope he improves in this area big time.
 
Playoffs said:
Strange title from the "pizza boy JJ Watt" originator...

Does Arian's presence only help Keenum, or all the QBs...? :thinking:
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Helps all QBs but when TJ was QB he had a healthy fosters, only starter we have had at QB who hasnt had foster is keenum thus far.
 
houstonspartan said:
...He dismissively referred to Watt as Pizza Boy. That is immature and unprofessional...

Tom Savage switched schools more than once, and yet, Baldwin dismissively referred to him as "Mr Transfer" and essentially said that he was a weak person who couldn't handle adversity...
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It's the equivalent of a child saying he's going to "hold my breath until I turn blue"...

The writer is ignorant of sports but seeks attention. I suggest the only way he'll get that attention is if he stands next to Johnny Manziel.
 
EllisUnit said:
Helps all QBs but when TJ was QB he had a healthy fosters, only starter we have had at QB who hasnt had foster is keenum thus far.
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Tate was playing very well prior to the rib injury .... then again towards the end , Keenum has street FA's in the backfield behind him & that O-line was horrible , Wade Smith & Newton in particular.

I have to wonder how much of Brown's mediocre to poor play had to do with having Smith next to him.


That doesn't change the fact that he had problems reading defenses and making adjustments.
 
Corrosion said:
Tate was playing very well prior to the rib injury .... then again towards the end , Keenum has street FA's in the backfield behind him & that O-line was horrible , Wade Smith & Newton in particular.

I have to wonder how much of Brown's mediocre to poor play had to do with having Smith next to him.


That doesn't change the fact that he had problems reading defenses and making adjustments.
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With X next to Brown next yr we will find out how bad Wade Smith really was. Brown + X equals being able to convert in the red zone and 3rd and short situations. I'm excited.

All rookie QB's (Which Keenum essentially was) have trouble reading defenses and making adjustments. According to Schaub in another thread the QB's weren't allowed to make many adjustments in last yrs offense.
 
revan said:
I'm tired of all these excuses needed for Keenum to be successful. I'm pulling for him to be our starter this year but I'm tired of the fans saying that he needs an OL a RB, etc to succeed. Let's just see what he can do in this new system. He has a chance, now let's see and hope he can overcome the QB battle.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most QB's need an OL and/or a RB to really be successful. I want to see the guy with no protection or running game who wins more than he loses. That's guy's going to be spectacular. I'm not saying he doesn't exist but Peyton Manning and Dan Marino don't come around very often and even then they don't win it all without some help.

This year he either seizes the opportunity and takes the starting spot on his own, then runs with it or we gotta keep turning over rocks until we find the guy who does.
 
steelbtexan said:
With X next to Brown next yr we will find out how bad Wade Smith really was. Brown + X equals being able to convert in the red zone and 3rd and short situations. I'm excited.

All rookie QB's (Which Keenum essentially was) have trouble reading defenses and making adjustments. According to Schaub in another thread the QB's weren't allowed to make many adjustments in last yrs offense.
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It's funny now that nobody has to cover for anyone else how things are starting to look. Schaub's in Oakland and he's got no incentive to keep his mouth shut about last season. Case and Yates are here under a new regime and they'll stay polite and not point any fingers but even they sound like they're happy to be playing in a different system and starting over. Gary's in Baltimore and I just keep wondering if Joe Flacco, who's already won a Super Bowl is about to get told to play the position the way Gary tells him to.
 
dream_team said:
At the same time, TJ didn't have a healthy AJ. Keenum did.


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True. They are fundamentally different things though. Having Foster means you've got an effective run game which is an alternative to dropping back and throwing the ball. Having AJ means you have another target to throw to but the fear of throwing the ball to AJ isn't going to slow that pass rush down even a bit.
 
Corrosion said:
Tate was playing very well prior to the rib injury ....
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Well, Keenum came in for the KC game, right? Foster went down early in the KC game? Trying to remember .... what I do remember is that Tate got slammed in the ribs by Dontari Poe in that KC game (first half or right after halftime, IIRC) and played crappy thereafter. Well, crappy being relative. He's a tough dude. So Keenum had a healthy Tate for a couple quarters maybe. And he did very well.

All that said, I'm pretty done with this discussion. Keenum's getting a shot, TJ's getting a shot, Savage is getting a shot ... I'm a happy man. I'm hoping for Keenum, but want the best man to win. I think most Keenum fans fall into that category, actually. We just tend to respond to the haters that insist he's crap, done, etc.
 
steelbtexan said:
With X next to Brown next yr we will find out how bad Wade Smith really was. Brown + X equals being able to convert in the red zone and 3rd and short situations. I'm excited.

All rookie QB's (Which Keenum essentially was) have trouble reading defenses and making adjustments. According to Schaub in another thread the QB's weren't allowed to make many adjustments in last yrs offense.
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We've had this conversation a dozen times .... and the key word there is "many"

The QB's were allowed to make adjustments , they were limited in what those adjustments were as there were specific adjustments for each play dependent upon what the defense showed.

Protection schemes were one thing they did have the ability to change at the line. They have to understand where the pressure is coming from and account for it.

Go watch the second half of the KC game and you'll understand what I'm getting at. There were times they rushed only 4 but disguised where those 4 were coming from , overloading from one side or another , dropping guys from the front 7 and bringing a DB.

Those are his responsibilities & Keenum looked lost in those situations.
 
JPPT1974 said:
Keenum had to start right away last year. And really was trying to learn the offense. But hopefully he will really be better this year. As he gets to know the offense more.
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Yeah, the new offence no one has ever seen. At least he's now on equal footing and we'll see if he is what he is or can progress. May the best man win, and will.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't know what to put on Schaub and the rest of the qb's anymore. Someone showed me some clips from last year of this team and there were certain instances where the team just seemed confused.

Case running back and taking massive losses on those sacks is inexcusable, but on some of those sacks it wasn't about case not recognizing it. Our oline simply didn't pick it up.

I don't think kubiak did a good job making adjustments over any time period and I think those chickens came home to roost last season. Lots of confusion out there. Undisciplined play. I have been down on Schaub for a while as a player, but I've also said some of that could have been due to the offense as well. Schaub was no star talent, but I don't think he was a scrub he looked like last year either.

I'm not sure how any of these qb's will perform or if ultimately on OB will field a more disciplined, finely tuned team but I suspect he will.

I say all this to say that I think case has some talent and if he can mentally grasp this offense, and if OB can do his thing case and the other qb's could really surprise. I think the qb battle is going to good. The one guy I worry about is Yates...from a fit standpoint. But hell...he could surprise me too.

I also heard that the texans were trying to move Yates before the draft as well. Fwiw.
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Good post and I agree for the most part. I'm in disagreement with the bolded. It was posted by someone yesterday who heard LS on the radio saying that the Texans actually "turned down a/a few late round draft pick offer(s) for Yates." I didn't bookmark it or anything but it shouldn't be too difficult to substantiate.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Here is a piece by a Texans writer I very much enjoy and respect. Reading this article in retrospect gives a insightful look into the Keenum case, and for maintaining the case for Keenum.

Case Keenum and The Dumbening of the Texans
Rivers McCown
Posted: December 16, 2013
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Thanks for posting that Doc. I really enjoy reading Rivers McCowan's perspective on things Texans. He uses pointed reasoning and writes in a manner that's really easy to follow and understand.

As does our very own TC who has the absolute best response in the remarks following the article. Well thought out, to the point and well presented.

Thanks again.
 
Corrosion said:
We've had this conversation a dozen times .... and the key word there is "many"

The QB's were allowed to make adjustments , they were limited in what those adjustments were as there were specific adjustments for each play dependent upon what the defense showed.

Protection schemes were one thing they did have the ability to change at the line. They have to understand where the pressure is coming from and account for it.

Go watch the second half of the KC game and you'll understand what I'm getting at. There were times they rushed only 4 but disguised where those 4 were coming from , overloading from one side or another , dropping guys from the front 7 and bringing a DB.

Those are his responsibilities & Keenum looked lost in those situations.
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Thanks for explaining this.

Keenum looked like a slightly above avg rookie QB. He had the problems most rookie QB's have. (Reading defenses/Protection scheme adjustments) But would you agree that Gary didn't do Keenum any favors with some of the play calling? I mean Keenum seemed to play better when Gary was out/in the press box.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for explaining this.

Keenum looked like a slightly above avg rookie QB. He had the problems most rookie QB's have. (Reading defenses/Protection scheme adjustments) But would you agree that Gary didn't do Keenum any favors with some of the play calling? I mean Keenum seemed to play better when Gary was out/in the press box.
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Not at all , Gary did everything possible to put Case is positions he was comfortable / able to succeed.

Lots of roll outs , play action - things that typically put a defense on its heels and buys a QB time / throwing lanes.

Case played like crap the weeks Gary wasn't on the sidelines , especially that first week .... at least that's my view of revisionist history. Hell , the offense in general was increasingly piss poor over the final few weeks of the season.


I'm not saying Case cant become an NFL QB , he does have the physical ability , my questions are more about his ability to process bits of information and make the proper reads .
This was a strength of Schaub's - he was lacking in the physically gifted department , he had just enough ability to be effective and once he regressed a tiny bit physically he went to sh!t.
Schaub did the little things and mental things very well .... his play action fake was one of the best and he identified pressure well.

Each of these QB's on the roster has flaws , for Case its presnap reads , Yates is a lot like a healthy Schaub , just good enough physically that as long as he doesn't make a mistake .... Fitzpatrick seems to make an awful lot of mistakes both pre and post snap , Savage is a total wildcard.


Bottom line , you look at the downfall of Gary's offense and it coincides with the piss poor QB play. They started 2012 11-1 and have gone 3-17 since with virtually the same team. The main difference being they were missing a healthy Schaub - Doc even predicted Schaub's ineffectiveness as time went on.
 
Texecutioner said:
Saw all I needed to of Keenum last season to know that he'll never be a top 10 type of QB on a yearly basis.
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Many teams have won Lombardi Trophy's with less than top 10 QB's.


I'm not ready to discount Keenum just yet ... but I do recognize his flaws.
 
eriadoc said:
Keenum's getting a shot, TJ's getting a shot, Savage is getting a shot ... I'm a happy man. I'm hoping for Keenum, but want the best man to win. I think most Keenum fans fall into that category, actually. We just tend to respond to the haters that insist he's crap, done, etc.
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QFT
 
Corrosion said:
Many teams have won Lombardi Trophy's with less than top 10 QB's.


I'm not ready to discount Keenum just yet ... but I do recognize his flaws.
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No, that really doesn't happen often. Especially not in today's NFL. Most SB's have at least one elite level QB or at the very least a 10 type of QB. Sure, one below average can be part of that equation, but it's very seldom and very difficult. A QB being the most important position on the field usually holds a team back from reaching their full potential if they're a great team than them succeeding to their full potential.
 
We keep on talking about Keenum not correctly calling/recognizing his protection. Over the years, I have read numerous times that Meyers has been mostly responsible for calling protections on the line. At UofH, Keenum set all protections, and read his hot reads with no problems, and seemed to consistently produce more than adequately. He didn't just lose these abilities coming to the Texans. Yes, the NFL is faster. All the more reason to allow a rookie QB to play to his strengths, which if it includes setting his own protections and being able to adjust plays to his strengths, then so be it. Whether he agreed or not, he was dealt the called protections, and restricted besides in what he could do once he was given them....a recipe for certain failure.

Here's an article from 2012 which speaks to protection schemes by various NFL teams, including the Texans. Meyers has been the main guy, with some input by a veteran QB, Schaub.

Who calls the protections, and why?

December, 20, 2012
1:43 PM ET
By Paul Kuharsky | ESPN.com
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Keenum as a rookie was not about to get veteran status in this system, anymore than he was to be given true free reign to audible into HIS play of comfort.
 
Arian giving Case a real chance is a moot point. This new team including a healthy Arian Foster gives whoever is our QB a real chance. There will be a competition in camp, there will be preseason and then OB will choose the QB that will best help him win. If that`s Case, great. But having Arian back doesn`t really change anything as to his chances.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We keep on talking about Keenum not correctly calling/recognizing his protection. Over the years, I have read numerous times that Meyers has been mostly responsible for calling protections on the line. At UofH, Keenum set all protections, and read his hot reads with no problems, and seemed to consistently produce more than adequately. He didn't just lose these abilities coming to the Texans. Yes, the NFL is faster. All the more reason to allow a rookie QB to play to his strengths, which if it includes setting his own protections and being able to adjust plays to his strengths, then so be it. Whether he agreed or not, he was dealt the called protections, and restricted besides in what he could do once he was given them....a recipe for certain failure.

Here's an article from 2012 which speaks to protection schemes by various NFL teams, including the Texans. Meyers has been the main guy, with some input by a veteran QB, Schaub.



Keenum as a rookie was not about to get veteran status in this system, anymore than he was to be given true free reign to audible into HIS play of comfort.
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Doc , you can dispute what I've said about Keenum if you like .... but you know that my information comes from a guy who's been a part of the NFL since 1983.


I hope he's successful .... its entirely possible Keenum wakes up tomorrow understanding presnap reads ..... But I don't expect it.
 
Corrosion said:
Doc , you can dispute what I've said about Keenum if you like .... but you know that my information comes from a guy who's been a part of the NFL since 1983.


I hope he's successful .... its entirely possible Keenum wakes up tomorrow understanding presnap reads ..... But I don't expect it.
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And I respect that. The point is that I don't believe the system served him well. If things don't change for him with another system, I will be right there with you proclaiming that Keenum has short-comings that he cannot overcome.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And I respect that. The point is that I don't believe the system served him well. If things don't change for him with another system, I will be right there with you proclaiming that Keenum has short-comings that he cannot overcome.
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The system ( play action & roll outs) was tailor made for Keenum .... His issues (presnap reads) had nothing to do with the system and everything to do with processing information.


We'll see in a few weeks ....
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We keep on talking about Keenum not correctly calling/recognizing his protection. Over the years, I have read numerous times that Meyers has been mostly responsible for calling protections on the line. At UofH, Keenum set all protections, and read his hot reads with no problems, and seemed to consistently produce more than adequately. He didn't just lose these abilities coming to the Texans. Yes, the NFL is faster. All the more reason to allow a rookie QB to play to his strengths, which if it includes setting his own protections and being able to adjust plays to his strengths, then so be it. Whether he agreed or not, he was dealt the called protections, and restricted besides in what he could do once he was given them....a recipe for certain failure.

Here's an article from 2012 which speaks to protection schemes by various NFL teams, including the Texans. Meyers has been the main guy, with some input by a veteran QB, Schaub.



Keenum as a rookie was not about to get veteran status in this system, anymore than he was to be given true free reign to audible into HIS play of comfort.
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Exactly and if the QB is allowed to do his thing as we keep hearing, well Case should do well IF the rest of offense plays up to talent level. Let's just wait and see. What happened last season hopefully in the past. New blood at new positions should make for some good ball.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Keenum as a rookie was not about to get veteran status in this system, anymore than he was to be given true free reign to audible into HIS play of comfort.
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As a true rookie coming into this same system, RG3 didn't seem to have a problem.

I want Case to succeed. I'm just not down with the whole, the system/team wasn't worth a crap around him so he didn't look so good.

When the play/protection broke down, Case made decisions that I'd rather he not made. & when teams figured out how to rattle him, they could implement it again & again and Case never figured it out.


He's getting another chance. Whether he deserves it or not. I'm hoping Case & Godsey & OB click & Case can lead us to an 8-8 season if not a winning season in 2014... But if you look at rookie QBs who averaged 10 yards per sack, most of them have not turned out too well.

But I'm rooting for him.
 
I am glad that there will be a QB battle for starter.

I am rooting for Keenum, but the guy who wins the QB battle should get the starting job.

I thought that Keenum did pretty well in his games all things considered. Some aspects of the game he can control, and some he can't.

Definitely can't blame the losses solely on Keenum. A better secondary effort and less dropped passes by the WRs (AJ included) and the Texans beat the Patriots.
 
Corrosion said:
The system ( play action & roll outs) was tailor made for Keenum .... His issues (presnap reads) had nothing to do with the system and everything to do with processing information.


We'll see in a few weeks ....
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it wasn't tailored for keenum. it was made for schaub and keenum came in.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And I respect that. The point is that I don't believe the system served him well. If things don't change for him with another system, I will be right there with you proclaiming that Keenum has short-comings that he cannot overcome.
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I think the system favored Keenum's skills very nicely. The rollouts from the the play action and they had a ton of plays designed to get the QB in space. Keenum's mobility was pretty good. He throws well on the run. I think Kubiak's offense set Keenum up very well from a skill set standpoint. Keenum just didn't get better at picking up schemes and how to avoid a lot of traps that defenses would splash on him especially in the 2nd halves. He struggled immensely to adjust. Now I know a lot of that had to do with Kubiak and his refusal to allow audibles or any real creativity from the QB to get out of a bad play call, but Keenum seemed to regress as the season went on. A lot of rookies do. I don't think that Kubiak's system was any type of major factor in that result though.
 
Corrosion said:
The system ( play action & roll outs) was tailor made for Keenum .... His issues (presnap reads) had nothing to do with the system and everything to do with processing information.


We'll see in a few weeks ....
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Compared to other rookie QB's how do you think Keenum performed?
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most QB's need an OL and/or a RB to really be successful. I want to see the guy with no protection or running game who wins more than he loses. That's guy's going to be spectacular. I'm not saying he doesn't exist but Peyton Manning and Dan Marino don't come around very often and even then they don't win it all without some help.

This year he either seizes the opportunity and takes the starting spot on his own, then runs with it or we gotta keep turning over rocks until we find the guy who does.
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See 2009 Matt Schaub

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2009.htm
 
What I am learning from the recent outbreak of Keenum threads is that he cannot be judged (unless it is in a good way, of course) until he is surrounded by elite talent, and in a system designed specifically for him.

Good deal.
 
Texecutioner said:
I think the system favored Keenum's skills very nicely. The rollouts from the the play action and they had a ton of plays designed to get the QB in space. Keenum's mobility was pretty good. He throws well on the run. I think Kubiak's offense set Keenum up very well from a skill set standpoint. Keenum just didn't get better at picking up schemes and how to avoid a lot of traps that defenses would splash on him especially in the 2nd halves. He struggled immensely to adjust. Now I know a lot of that had to do with Kubiak and his refusal to allow audibles or any real creativity from the QB to get out of a bad play call, but Keenum seemed to regress as the season went on. A lot of rookies do. I don't think that Kubiak's system was any type of major factor in that result though.
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To me it seemed that when Keenum was in there that bootlegs, play action and roll outs virtually disappeared. I remember the game Keenum was pulled the play calling was really pissing me off, it was always generic 3 step drops no play action or roll outs. Well that was one of the games Keenum was pulled and Schaub went in, and i'll be damn if the play calling didn't get a whole lot better/more creative for Schaub.
 
EllisUnit said:
To me it seemed that when Keenum was in there that bootlegs, play action and roll outs virtually disappeared. I remember the game Keenum was pulled the play calling was really pissing me off, it was always generic 3 step drops no play action or roll outs. Well that was one of the games Keenum was pulled and Schaub went in, and i'll be damn if the play calling didn't get a whole lot better/more creative for Schaub.
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I did not see that kind of play calling change. But that is also exactly the kind of thing the system did allow the QB to change at the line - check out of a bootleg to another pass play out of the same formation.

From a logic standpoint it makes absolutely zero sense. Kubiak knew damn well he was fighting for his job. The ONLY way he takes plays off the table with Keenum in the game is if Keenum has been absolutely miserable at them in practice. Sabotaging Keenum doesn't fly unless you believe Kubiak didn't give a flying f'k through a rolling donut about his job and there isn't a single thing that doesn't point strongly in the opposite direction.
 
infantrycak said:
I did not see that kind of play calling change. But that is also exactly the kind of thing the system did allow the QB to change at the line - check out of a bootleg to another pass play out of the same formation.

From a logic standpoint it makes absolutely zero sense. Kubiak knew damn well he was fighting for his job. The ONLY way he takes plays off the table with Keenum in the game is if Keenum has been absolutely miserable at them in practice. Sabotaging Keenum doesn't fly unless you believe Kubiak didn't give a flying f'k through a rolling donut about his job and there isn't a single thing that doesn't point strongly in the opposite direction.
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Not saying he was trying to make keenum fail, i think more along the lines he was pressured by Mcnair to have Keenum start and he did not fully trust keenum. Which is odd to me because the bootleg IMO suits keenum perfect.
 
EllisUnit said:
To me it seemed that when Keenum was in there that bootlegs, play action and roll outs virtually disappeared. I remember the game Keenum was pulled the play calling was really pissing me off, it was always generic 3 step drops no play action or roll outs. Well that was one of the games Keenum was pulled and Schaub went in, and i'll be damn if the play calling didn't get a whole lot better/more creative for Schaub.
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I didn't see what you are saying you noticed. I saw the bootlegs being called and I saw Keenum rolling out quite regularly. I also saw him fixating on certain receivers with his eyes, I saw him having a hard time figuring out what to do with the ball.
 
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