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Texans inquire in Brock Osweiler
- Thread starter 2slik4u
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Denver would want a 1st
You think so? Seems like a lot to give up. I guess he was a 2nd rounder two years ago but he's done nothing to warrant his bump in value.
Other than his gargantuan stature.
This is Rick Smith telling Belichick we're not waiting on one particular QB. Same to Cassell's agent.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This is one QB trade I could really get behind. No much experience outside the shotgun with some problems reading defenses and ball security and sometimes looks like he had 2 left feet. But a strong arm, accurate (leading his receivers uncannily well), mobile enough..............and he grew an inch since the Combine?
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Due diligence. Not getting overly excited.
I dunno, maybe because the Texans' second round pick is the 33rd pick in the entire Draft which virtually makes it a late first round pick ?
Never hurts to ask.
Every year there's some crazy trade that I like, & wonder if Rick Smith had a clue that the guy was on the trading block.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I tend to agree with this, and think it could just be posturing, but there is a slim chance there is some interest.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Not interested.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Don't know enough about Gase to have a definitive opinion.
I don't think Knapp is as good as he used to be, but he used to be pretty darn good. I thought he worked wonders with Vick and Garcia.
OT, but look at where Peyton holds the ball. To me, that's where it's supposed to be. For every "bit" lower, I take a point away in my grading system.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Schaub went to the probowl the year before and the year after Knapp was with the Texans.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Indeed.
I liked his work with Garcia the most. I think he did a great job with him.
I think he did a good job with Vick, who most people considered to be uncoachable.
Everything since then? Meh. Average to below average. I think the game has passed him by. I also don't agree with any assertion that he helped develop Schaub (like in the link TK posted). Schaub had the best year of his career the year before Knapp got here.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
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WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Ehh depends oh how you look at it. Osweiler has been sitting behind Manning for 2 years. I can see the appeal of using our first 2 picks on Clowney and Osweiler instead of drafting a rookie QB #1 and a less talented pass rusher #33.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Knapp is a decent QB coach and eons ago when Vick was in ATL he was a good coordinator, but his 2 stints in Oakland and 1 in Seattle have shown that he's become ineffective as an OC.
w/r/t sitting behind Peyton, I don't really view that as the super positive that some people do. I know Jim Sorgi was a backup for what seemed like eternity there and he was never any good, and then they had the running clown show in 2011 that ultimately landed them Andrew Luck (Manning was there to educate them or whatever he does to his understudies. Probably gives them wedgies). Osweiler is still rather unknown and I have seen less of him than I have of this current QB class so I can't really offer an opinion of like or dislike of his ability to play football.
For the record I like this QB class and I usually don't like them so it's frustrating for me to watch this cat and mouse game played in the media leading up to draft day. Since draft day is now further back in the year, this offseason will seem particularly long and gruesome.
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& he had a pretty low grade. & that's more like a -2
I'm not saying that a player has to grade perfect to be a success in the NFL. I'm saying the closer he is to Peyton, the more likely I believe he will succeed.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
And like I pointed out to you, Aaron Rodgers held the ball up high like that in college but now that he's in the pros, he's improved his play... and he holds the ball lower, more like Brady does there.
You "counted" off on Bridgewater because he holds the ball like Brady and Rodgers.
Think about that for a second.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Broncos are not going to let their heir apparent to Manning get away and have nothing waiting when Manning leaves...
I like the kid, big arm, good size...
I like the kid, big arm, good size...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Unless Manning has told them he is leaving after 2015 the Broncos are in the same situation the Pats are - they will not be able to keep Mallett or Osweiler past their rookie contract without it becoming absurdly expensive. Those guys are going to want a starting gig.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Or its a smokescreen.....dun dun dun!
& I'll take off points for being as tall as Brees, Wilson, or Rodgers.
Who are they trying to kid??
We all KNOW that Peyton is going to run that offense. QB coach and OC are both ceremonial positions as long as Peyton is your QB.
Who are they trying to kid??
We all KNOW that Peyton is going to run that offense. QB coach and OC are both ceremonial positions as long as Peyton is your QB.
I'm assuming while Peyton was running the offense, Knapp was trying to develop Osweiler.
I can't get real excited about this. Never thought much of Osweiler at ASU. Don't know how much Peyton has rubbed off him in a couple of years. Sure, getting Clowney could take this defense to a special level. But, Osweiler feels like getting a Rob Johnson or Scott Mitchell. Without the production. He was never the player in college that Bridgewater or Manziel were.
PapaL
Loose Screw
You must have forgotten what our QB play was like last year. Any name will generate interest.
No, I remember 2013 all too well. Just thinking the Texans can find someone better than Osweiler to build around.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I'd rather inquire about Mike Glennon if he's not Lovies man
Your man... Pots and pans
Your man... Pots and pans
Scooter
Funky
no thanks. i didnt think much of osweiler at all coming out of college, he didnt have a notable talent at quarterback other than height that i saw. if he were 6'4", he might not have been taken until the 6th in my world. and does peyton have backups that have gone on to do great things? i can only think of jim sorgi and curtis painter - neither of which got some kind of magic by playing with peyton.
Not crazy about that, either. Glennon was OK, but was sacked a lot. His mobility was a concern going into the draft last year, and that bore out. The escapability factor is one reason I like the top QBs in this draft.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Putting the top 3 of the draft aside - next favorite options? Garafalo, Mallett, etc.
I didn't like what I saw of Glennon last season. Looked like a placeholder IMO.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Another #8 quarterback?
Texans should retire #8 Jersey in the Hall of Shame :kubepalm:
I guess we're talking about using the 2nd round pick on a QB, either in trade or an actual rookie. Mallet has the talent. He has an elite arm and isn't a total statue. Being on the Pats for 3 years (one under O'Brien) is a plus. But, Mallet carried a lot of red flags into the 2011 draft. He should have been a 1st round pick, and fell to the 3rd round. Does O'Brien know enough about Mallet to give him a good reference? Mallet scares me.
Kirk Cousins is probably available. He has mobility and an OK arm. Is he a "franchise QB"? No, more like a game manager. But, he might be the best trade option available. Which doesn't say much.
Based on talent alone, I would trade up from 2-1 to take Derek Carr. He has the arm, he has the mobility. I would do that if I were drafting for any team not named the Houston Texans. I think he would be a PR disaster here. He would be booed from the 1st snap.
Garoppolo looks talented, but how far behind is he from the other prospects in terms of development. Seems like a big gamble. In the later rounds, I like San Jose's David Fales. Strictly an intangibles/gut feeling thing. His measurables and arm strength are pedestrian.
I would rather take Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles. I just feel better about these guys than the other options. Yes, you miss out on Clowney, and that sucks. But without a QB, your franchise is in drift mode. This team needs direction, and they need a QB to rally behind.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Eh, I didn't like Glennon coming out but I thought he played decently as a rookie put into the fire because his HC was/is an egomaniac. He wasn't breath-taking or anything like that, but I thought he was good enough to warrant being the starter in 2014 for the Bucs baring a a lot better of a QB falling into their laps.
With Cutler being the notable exception, he'll be better than any other QB Lovie Smith has had.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Top to bottom (other than not having seen Fales enough to judge) just about nailed my thoughts. ... I would add in a Manziel scares me.
I understand that. He doesn't fit into any mold that has been successful in the NFL. Yet. Manziel just mesmerizes me. I guess in a way that Vince Young did to many back in 2006 (not me, though). Someone said recently that Manziel will get someone fired. Either for drafting him or passing on him.
Fred
Veteran
I've never bought into the "he's bound to learn, sitting behind the superstar" theory. But maybe you are right and he will turn out to be awesome like Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I don't believe "not a bad situation" and "bound to learn" mean quite the same thing. Besides, you're comparing a 2nd round pick to a couple of 6th round picks. It would be just as easy (and just as unfair) to compare him to Aaron Rodgers.