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Antonio Smith - Bronco

_King_

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Just heard Antonio say on the radio that he talked to BOB and they both got a really good vibe about Each other. Antonio said he clicked with him pretty fast. Both expressed interest about Antonio coming back. Antonio said his agent has been talking with the Texans and saying positive things about a deal getting done.

How do you guys feel about that?

If a deal gets done does that change your thoughts on the defense Romeo will employ?

I realize that this could all be fluff talk, but Antonio sounded sincere to me and it wasn't one of those generic "well we'll see what happens" kind of answers. He really wants to be back IMO.
 

Marshall

Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Just heard Antonio say on the radio that he talked to BOB and they both got a really good vibe about Each other. Antonio said he clicked with him pretty fast. Both expressed interest about Antonio coming back. Antonio said his agent has been talking with the Texans and saying positive things about a deal getting done.

How do you guys feel about that?

If a deal gets done does that change your thoughts on the defense Romeo will employ?

I realize that this could all be fluff talk, but Antonio sounded sincere to me and it wasn't one of those generic "well we'll see what happens" kind of answers. He really wants to be back IMO.
It either will or won't happen before the draft. At least it won't be drawn out.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO
 

Bulls on Parade

2017 Astros: Earn It!
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO
Agreed. I think it's time to move on. A lot of young and exciting players in this draft that we can land. We need an infusion of young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Our pass rush and the entire front seven can greatly improve. J.J. Watt and a healthy Brian Cushing can't do it by themselves.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
I think Antonio is a rock!

He's been one the most consistent players we have had in his time here.
Consistently avg?

Consistently overpaid?

Consistently providing the wrong kind of leadership?

Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
I'd like to see a younger cheaper guy but if the price is right a front line of JJ, Ninja, and Clowney would be deadly.
 

DBCooper

Outlaw
Contributor's Club
Consistently avg?

Consistently overpaid?

Consistently providing the wrong kind of leadership?

Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.
Everybody has bad plays.

I didn't see average play out the guy. He had some bad coaches to overcome, but he worked hard and played hard.

Could we upgrade him? Sure we could.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's been a good player for us.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Everybody has bad plays.

I didn't see average play out the guy. He had some bad coaches to overcome, but he worked hard and played hard.

Could we upgrade him? Sure we could.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's been a good player for us.
Does the same theory apply to #8?
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.
The team has a need for him. Re-signing to a smaller contract is a win/win.
Agreed.

We need him back, our depth at d-line is not good.

I'm also interested in what happens to Wade Smith, not to derail the thread.
 
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PHILLYTEXANFAN

Saddle Up Partner
Meh, I could care less if he is not resigned, if he's kept cheap , alright if not oh we'll. "happy trails good sir"


Your man... Pots and pans
 

_King_

Guest
I'd love for Antonio to come back at the right price. Maybe something like Cak says.

I think Antonio is a good player to have on your football team. Brings some good attitude to that DLine. Plus he's a vet, and I expect us to be competing again very soon. Grab a real NT, and sign Antonio to a reasonable deal. The less holes come draft time the better.
 

Goldensilence

hipster elite
Good compliment across from JJ, high motor guy and might not be a sack artist but is consistently disruptive. Depth at the spot isn't great either but with cak here 2-3 deal could work we'll with both sides.
 

Norg

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back

I would say see ya to


66 Andrew Gardner OT
88 Garrett Graham TE
41 Jonathan Grimes RB
68 Ryan Harris OT
33 Greg Jones FB
39 Deji Karim RB
43 Elbert Mack CB
53 Joe Mays ILB
51 Darryl Sharpton ILB
94 Antonio Smith DE
74 Wade Smith G
44 Ben Tate RB


Restricted FAs
18 Lestar Jean WR
97 Terrell McClain NT
92 Earl Mitchell NT


pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman

and then like see ya

7 Case Keenum
13 T. J. Yates

Running backs
28 Dennis Johnson

Wide receivers
17 Alec Lemon
82 Keshawn Martin
11 DeVier Posey
83 Rico Richardson
-- Mike Thomas

Tight ends

81 Owen Daniels


55 Chris Myers C
75 Derek Newton T



96 Tim Jamison DE
54 Mike Mohamed ILB
52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB
57 Justin Tuggle ILB




24 Johnathan Joseph CB
31 Shiloh Keo FS
38 Danieal Manning SS
21 Brice McCain CB

4 Randy Bullock K
9 Shane Lechler P
46 Jon Weeks LS
 

PHILLYTEXANFAN

Saddle Up Partner
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back



I would say see ya to





66 Andrew Gardner OT

88 Garrett Graham TE

41 Jonathan Grimes RB

68 Ryan Harris OT

33 Greg Jones FB

39 Deji Karim RB

43 Elbert Mack CB

53 Joe Mays ILB

51 Darryl Sharpton ILB

94 Antonio Smith DE

74 Wade Smith G

44 Ben Tate RB





Restricted FAs

18 Lestar Jean WR

97 Terrell McClain NT

92 Earl Mitchell NT





pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman



and then like see ya



7 Case Keenum

13 T. J. Yates



Running backs

28 Dennis Johnson



Wide receivers

17 Alec Lemon

82 Keshawn Martin

11 DeVier Posey

83 Rico Richardson

-- Mike Thomas



Tight ends



81 Owen Daniels





55 Chris Myers C

75 Derek Newton T







96 Tim Jamison DE

54 Mike Mohamed ILB

52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB

57 Justin Tuggle ILB









24 Johnathan Joseph CB

31 Shiloh Keo FS

38 Danieal Manning SS

21 Brice McCain CB



4 Randy Bullock K

9 Shane Lechler P

46 Jon Weeks LS

So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans
 

Wolf6151

All Pro
I really like Antonio Smith, very underrated player for the Texans. I think he fit well in Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 system but I have yet to hear exactly what type of defense Romeo Crennel will be running. If it's a traditional 2 gap read and react 3-4 system, then I'm not sure Antonio fits that and he sure didn't like the 4-3 system we ran when he got here. Not to mention that we can get someone younger and much cheaper in the draft. I'd like to have him back, he provides stability and leadership, but only if the price is very advantageous to the Texans and if he can fit in Crennel's system.
 

V3rm0nt3r

Rookie
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2
You're missing a few games in that record, but i digress.

There's a critical difference in the two situations that you've compared here. While Indy was completely dependent on Manning to maintain winning records before he went down and his team subsequently tanked, Houston was coming off back to back playoff berths on the arms of T.J. Yates and Matt Schaub (AKA NOT Peyton) before this abomination of a season occurred.

This organizational discrepancy points to the fact that there must be a substantially greater amount of inherent talent on this roster than you seem to have given Rick Smith credit for (and reasonably so, I might add, considering this past season).
 

Grams

Veteran
I don't understand some of you guys sometimes.

You keep saying we need more depth on the D, but you want to get rid of a very good player like Antonio.

Yes I agree that price needs to be right and we do not need to overpay. But he is a valuable member of this team.
 

Marshall

Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm glad you're not the GM.
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back

I would say see ya to


66 Andrew Gardner OT
88 Garrett Graham TE
41 Jonathan Grimes RB
68 Ryan Harris OT
33 Greg Jones FB
39 Deji Karim RB
43 Elbert Mack CB
53 Joe Mays ILB
51 Darryl Sharpton ILB
94 Antonio Smith DE
74 Wade Smith G
44 Ben Tate RB


Restricted FAs
18 Lestar Jean WR
97 Terrell McClain NT
92 Earl Mitchell NT


pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman

and then like see ya

7 Case Keenum
13 T. J. Yates

Running backs
28 Dennis Johnson

Wide receivers
17 Alec Lemon
82 Keshawn Martin
11 DeVier Posey
83 Rico Richardson
-- Mike Thomas

Tight ends

81 Owen Daniels


55 Chris Myers C
75 Derek Newton T



96 Tim Jamison DE
54 Mike Mohamed ILB
52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB
57 Justin Tuggle ILB




24 Johnathan Joseph CB
31 Shiloh Keo FS
38 Danieal Manning SS
21 Brice McCain CB

4 Randy Bullock K
9 Shane Lechler P
46 Jon Weeks LS
I'm glad you're not the GM. We'd be in worse shape than a new franchise.

ps You're OK with one of the players who should be on the bubble.
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
As little depth as we have now?? Hell yeh resign him if the price is right. Even with him we need we need at least 3 more quality DL added through the draft and FA.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
As little depth as we have now?? Hell yeh resign him if the price is right. Even with him we need we need at least 3 more quality DL added through the draft and FA.
While I agree, Smith has been a leader here for a long time and he has set a bad tone with his form of leadership. For Gods sake a guy DIED at one of his parties. How many people have died at one of your parties?

It's time to move on.
 

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take
On defense all we need is JJ Watt. Maybe Cushing for a few games until he reinjures. Watt beats 5-team blocks to sack QBs before they can complete their drop backs. :swatter:

On offense all we need is Johnny Football and Andre Johnson. Nobody can catch JFF scrambling and AJ beats box-4 coverages easily.

Winning!

[IMGwidthsize=150]http://welcometosandyland.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/charlie-sheen-winning-gif.gif[/IMG]
 

IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
On the one hand I'm very much of an AS fan, but on the other the more likely his return becomes then the less likely our drafting Clowney becomes, not that I necessarily expect us to draft him with our 1.1.
But popular and successful players who become FAs are always talking about coming back to their team, wanting to come back, how happy they are in the city with the fans and living in that city, blah, blah, etc.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
While I agree, Smith has been a leader here for a long time and he has set a bad tone with his form of leadership. For Gods sake a guy DIED at one of his parties. How many people have died at one of your parties?

It's time to move on.
I was unaware of this situation.

Link

Doesn't sound like any foul play was involved. Sounds like the guy passed out and fell in the pool, maybe couldn't swim. I don't think you should hold that against Smith.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
I was unaware of this situation.

Link

Doesn't sound like any foul play was involved. Sounds like the guy passed out and fell in the pool, maybe couldn't swim. I don't think you should hold that against Smith.
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.
Gotta love the inconsistency. AS is part of a bad culture for an off the field incident but you want the team to ignore any off the field issues in draft prospects or taking years off.
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.
My thoughts, as well. Plus he's a leader, which is something the new coaching staff will need in their first year.
 

deucetx

Rookie
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.
Pretty much my feelings. He's a good player. Not great but still effective. Hell, he's been our only 'other' consistent pass rusher. I do wish he would maintain his running lanes a bit better but that could come with the proper scheme/coaching. He plays hard all the time, is a leader and gives the team some attitude so would like him back with a reasonable cost of course. Plus, this isn't Madden. You can't just let every single piece go but a handful and expect progress. You have cap space and limited flexibility and we already have little to no depth. In today's NFL where injuries happen at an obnoxious rate you need depth so if you have someone solid you should probably hold onto them if possible.
 
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2
I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play, added a few pieces and were right back where they were before Manning went down.


Getting better QB play, getting some help in the secondary, and adding quality depth at a few positions and there is no reason the Texans can't be back in the playoffs next year.

I'm a firm believer that the Richard Sherman pick 6 lost the year for us. One play changed the season. Schaub doesn't throw that and we win that game. His confidence isn't destroyed, the team doesn't crater. Every game after that one plays out differently. That means that Cushing doesn't take the shot to the knee against KC. We don't lose 14 straight to end the season.

We have holes. A few big ones and some depth issues. Every team has a few issues. Seattle has an advantage because they have a cheap starting QB on a cap friendly contract. Let's see how they do in 2 years when they have to give him a big contract.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
I'd take Tone back in a heart beat, but not for the $ he's been getting paid.

I'd go 3 years 10.5 maybe
 

ChampionTexan

Hall of Fame
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2
I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play,
The Colts had 23 players who were on both the season ending 2011 roster and the opening day 2012 roster. That's 57% turnover. Obviously players on IR at the end of 2011 who were back at the beginning of 2012 could skew that percentage up a bit, but by almost anybody's definition, it was high turnover.

That said, Norg's list is ridiculous.

LINK
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I really like Antonio Smith, very underrated player for the Texans. I think he fit well in Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 system but I have yet to hear exactly what type of defense Romeo Crennel will be running. If it's a traditional 2 gap read and react 3-4 system, then I'm not sure Antonio fits that and he sure didn't like the 4-3 system we ran when he got here. Not to mention that we can get someone younger and much cheaper in the draft. I'd like to have him back, he provides stability and leadership, but only if the price is very advantageous to the Texans and if he can fit in Crennel's system.
On same page, most know I have advocated letting him go as don't think he will return for reasonable $ but if he will AND O'brien thinks he fits system (sort of surprises me) then that would allow us to use a high pick other area. I have Notre Dame's Stephon Tuitt with our second pick. If Ninja is signed we could go RB with Hyde in second. Foster remains huge question for me.

Cap: A much lower deal brings a starter back, offers more cap and frees up a pick; that is hard to argue. Still trying to fit Smith into system especially since when he came here he did not want to be a "plug line" DT but wanted to go for QB IIRC.
 

Norg

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I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play, added a few pieces and were right back where they were before Manning went down.


Getting better QB play, getting some help in the secondary, and adding quality depth at a few positions and there is no reason the Texans can't be back in the playoffs next year.

I'm a firm believer that the Richard Sherman pick 6 lost the year for us. One play changed the season. Schaub doesn't throw that and we win that game. His confidence isn't destroyed, the team doesn't crater. Every game after that one plays out differently. That means that Cushing doesn't take the shot to the knee against KC. We don't lose 14 straight to end the season.

We have holes. A few big ones and some depth issues. Every team has a few issues. Seattle has an advantage because they have a cheap starting QB on a cap friendly contract. Let's see how they do in 2 years when they have to give him a big contract.

actually they did if u look at there roster pre and post manning

look we can just look a star name value look were that got us

and u do realize a team only consist of 53 players so if we do purge its up to BOb and rick to find the best young talent the hidden undrafted gems to make up that 53

its not like purging is a bad thing esp coming off a 2-14 season

Kubes did it in 2005-06

so if not this year I bet next year BOB will do the same esp if his job is on the line like if we go like

6-10 this season
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.
The guy who died was a friend of Antonio's and a friend of the family. I'm sure A.S. was probably sick about it.

From this report it seems to me everyone had either retired from poolside and gone inside the house or left the party. Apparently this one person stayed outside by himself. Or went back out by the pool on the way to his car, tripped and fell in. Who knows.

And yeah, I've been to - and hosted - parties where folks have passed out and we had to "put them to bed" to keep them from driving home. But you cannot keep an eye on everyone. And you cannot really know everyone's limit.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Looks like there is serious interest on the part of both parties.

Veteran defensive end Antonio Smith had been very open about his desire to return to the Texans next season. But Smith, 32, has been aware that a 2-14 team may not have interest in resigning a lineman on the wrong side of 30. Add a new coach to the mix, and it seemed unlikely the Ninja would be back.

But on Monday Smith struck a surprisingly optimistic tone.

“I had a good conversation with coach O’Brien. Me and him just got a good feel for each other,” Smith said on Nate and Creight. “From what my agent tells me, the team and coach O’Brien really like me.”

Smith went on to say that his agent has had a few preliminary conversations with the Texans.

“They’re looking forward to trying to find a way to work something out.” Smith said.

After seeing the Miami locker room suffer a complete leadership breakdown, having a strong presence like Antonio Smith in the locker room would be an asset for a first year coach like O’Brien.
link
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Gotta love the inconsistency. AS is part of a bad culture for an off the field incident but you want the team to ignore any off the field issues in draft prospects or taking years off.
I didn't say that I was consistent. I don't think Smith is a player you can win with. I don't care for him personally either. He's part of a long standing problem in Houston. I feel the same way that I did about Winston.

Dave Smith's $$$$ put that $$$$ with Schaub/OD's $$$$ and get Soliai.
 

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.
This really isn't indicative of his character or friends. My girlfriend in college had a friend who died the same way as Smith's friend, and from what I knew, he was a pretty responsible dude. I've also attended and thrown countless parties where otherwise respectable people pass out or do crazy stuff. Hard partying is an indiscriminating American tradition. :wesmantexanfan:
 

_King_

Guest
Looks like there is serious interest on the part of both parties.

link
That's the interview I heard.

It sounded like it was a real possibility he'd be back. Seems like a lot of people wrote the possibility off.

I hope they can make it work. I like what Antonio brings to the defense.
 

Insideop

All Pro
Signing Antonio might have just gotten a little easier. Reports are coming out (I heard it on 610.) that the cap will be moved up to about 130 million.
 

Texanmike02

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
On a team that has significant holes (I don't think the cabinet is as bare as many of you do but I acknowledge that we do have some serious deficiencies) you don't create another hole by letting a good player go.

Smith is a versatile, successful player and has an attitude and agression that I don't think we see enough of from the rest of the roster. You don't overpay for him but if he is close to reasonable he is a must sign in my book.

All of this stuff about the pool incident is garbage. Some guy was a jack ass at one of his parties, end of story.

Bottom line: AS has been very effective in almost every role he has been asked to play.

Why create a hole when we are trying to fill them?

Mike
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
You are only going to get so many stars on your team. Antonio Smith is exactly what you want in the remainder - solid players right on the edge of pro bowl level performance. Guys like Smith and Jamie Sharper are the backbones of good NFL teams. You improve your team most by replacing weak sisters like McCain with guys like Smith, not by churning cheap bodies through positions filled with guys like him. You only get rid of guys like Smith if they demand payment like perennial probowlers.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Using Dwight Freeney and John Abraham as a barometer for re-signing Ninja I think it would take a 2 yr contract at approx $4mil cap hit each year.
 
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