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Anyone besides me wanna see a good competition between Myers and Jones for the Center job this TC, last thing we need is a repeat of Myers getting manhandled by opposing defenses
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Anyone besides me wanna see a good competition between Myers and Jones for the Center job this TC, last thing we need is a repeat of Myers getting manhandled by opposing defenses
I want to see how Jones works out at OG. The fact that he can fill in for Myers if something should happen is gravy. Better this way than to have Myers trying to play guard.
I think Quessenberry and brooks can handle the OG spots personally
Your man... Pots and pans
Maybe... but can Ben Jones call the blocking assignment signals as well as Myers?
Worth a try. I fear Myers will be manhandled by not playing ZBS, I believe he was a product of that system
Your man... Pots and pans
Worth a try. I fear Myers will be manhandled by not playing ZBS, I believe he was a product of that system
The problem with this statement is the belief that OB doesn't use a ZBS.
He does.
I expect Myers to continue to fit right in.
Silly question, surely everyone wants to see a TC battle at every position. Whether that be Chris Myers, Derek Newton, or JJ Watt.
It's one of the key things that Kubiak wasn't capable of instigating, ever.
Would you ever have seen Kubiak make a big QB signing in FA and then invite controversy by using a first day pick at the same position, knowing at least one would fail? Of course you wouldn't, but Seattle are World Champs.
There isn't a team in the league that follows that model.
That is charitably called a stretch. 3rd round QBs no matter what day they fell on have never been considered inviting controversy and the Seahawks thought they were drafting a backup QB. Matt Flynn was brought in to compete with Tarvaris Jackson.
You need an example of someone more talented the Kubiak Texans held back to substantiate your assertion.
Jones made Newton look like an All-Pro. I'm sorry, but unless he's night and day better at C than he is G he's not the answer. I know he was a C in college, but you'd think he'd pick up the G position after a couple years.
It really sucked Q went down last year. I'm looking forward to see him rebound this camp and win a spot
I thought Ben Jones did a fine job. Give him the starting job & he'll grow into it. I think it should have had the job over Wade Smith for sure. Rotating in & out of the game as a rookie I thought he did as well as Brooks. Different, but for what he did, he did well.
I'm not saying he should be a lock for the LG spot, if Ques is going to be in competition for the position, let them battle it out. But I think Q & Brennan should be battling for the RT job.
I always respect your opinion ICAK, but sometimes you look for a little too much "proof" considering we're discussing a game where secrecy and schadenfreude are king. It's very rare you'll get the true spin on what's going on behind the scenes in a varifiable manner. Look at some of the rubbish posted as 'news' on NFL.com and it's little more than speculation from the same outside position as we get with maybe a little more access to Chinese whispers than what we get as lay-fans.
I'm not certain what you're seeing, man. Smith had a rough year, but Jones wasn't close to beating him out or anyone else along the oline. Saying he did just as well as Brooks is crazy. Brooks was one of the better of the bunch towards the end of the season. Playing next to Newton is what hurt him.
I thought Ben Jones did a fine job. Give him the starting job & he'll grow into it. I think it should have had the job over Wade Smith for sure. Rotating in & out of the game as a rookie I thought he did as well as Brooks. Different, but for what he did, he did well.
I'm not saying he should be a lock for the LG spot, if Ques is going to be in competition for the position, let them battle it out. But I think Q & Brennan should be battling for the RT job.
I'm not certain what you're seeing, man. Smith had a rough year, but Jones wasn't close to beating him out or anyone else along the oline. Saying he did just as well as Brooks is crazy. Brooks was one of the better of the bunch towards the end of the season. Playing next to Newton is what hurt him.
Last year, yes. Brooks looked much better at the end of the year than he did to start... most likely due to not having to rotate in & out of the game all year.
Ben Jones didn't get to play until mid year & then he was rotating in & out with Wade. As bad as he may have looked, Wade played so poorly, imo, that he shouldn't have been allowed on the field unless it was because of injury. I'd have cut him before the season started because nothing I saw in 2012, or the 2013 preseason had me believing he could play anywhere close to his cap number.
But... when I say Ben Jones looked as good as Brooks, I was talking about in 2012 when they were both rotating in & out of the OL. Different, but relatively equal development. If it were me, Brooks would have started on the Left side & Ben would have started on the right side.
Earl Mitchell didn't get enough reps behind Shaun Cody, whilst. Chris Jones went and started for New England having barely seen the field for us.
Foster was held back for 3/4 of a season behind who exactly, and then Ben Tate has been criminally under utilised to the point where we've ran Foster into the ground just because he was in 'the doghouse' during a season when he remained relatively healthy.
I've not been one to hound Kubiak, I think he moved the club to a new level over his tenure (it was definitely time to move on though), I just see this as having been a failing he had. He never trusted young players with few reps, and subsequently they never got enough reps to develop.
Your first point, yeah, you're right, it's a league wide thing, not that it necessarily makes it right. If your first round draft pick isn't ready to play week 1, don't throw him to the wolves anyway, find someone who can play and feed him in gradually.
In fact I think the NFL as a whole is roundly failing in the area of talent development, when you reach the pros, due to the salary cap and roster limitations, it's sink or swim straight away when in other sports you find lots of players who take a few years of extremely uneven play before finding their feet at the top level.
I'd love to see some kind of reserve league added for development, keep them seperate from the actual roster, play maybe 4 or 6 games a season against other reserve teams, and see how they get on, maybe be able to activate one or 2 per season to the active roster and for the rest they just have to wait till the following TC to try and battle it out. Would give more young players a chance to get better IMHO.
Worth a try. I fear Myers will be manhandled by not playing ZBS, I believe he was a product of that system
Your man... Pots and pans
I'm not worried about the oline. Personally I want to see quess at RT with some good competition behind him pushing and the best out of jones, Brennan Williams and others at LG.
Don't care what blocking scheme we use.
Thing about learning to zone block is that you can carry over a lot of those techniques to a man blocking scheme. Not sure what we'll ultimately run, but to me it doesn't matter.
Hasn't most of Jones game experience come at LG? Cannot compare him to Myers at center; it would have to be from training as a center.Jones has shown zilch to indicate he is anything close to equal to Myers. A lot of Duane Brown's slump this season was watching out over the LG.
I like Myers but age/cap are negatives. Jones should have enough time now to call plays & size/youth should make him equal. He is not a OG & needs to be center or cut. Q should start unless we draft someone like Gabe Jackson.
Jones spends way too much time on his ass.
For those that are not aware, Myers had offseason arthroscopic elbow surgery.
For those that are not aware, Myers had offseason arthroscopic elbow surgery.
Within the next couple of years if Jones is no good. Myers was still playing at a good level, but his pass blocking dipped a bit possibly due to Wade's weak play.As an aside, the Texans should be looking for another Center anyway, given Myers age. No?
Wow. I missed that one. Could be important.
Within the next couple of years if Jones is no good. Myers was still playing at a good level, but his pass blocking dipped a bit possibly due to Wade's weak play.
WOW!! That's actually is huge Doc... As someone that played O-Line, we understand what it means for an offensive lineman to explode off the line but more importantly jab that defensive lineman (violently) with full effort to effect their rush..
What kind of repair time (i.e. elbow full strength/extension) are we talking about? 6-8 weeks? 3 months?
As an aside, the Texans should be looking for another Center anyway, given Myers age. No?
Here's a great interview with Chris Myers.
All linemen are going at least ~310 or heavier this year. If Meyers has not bulked up from his 286 playing weight last year, he's going to be wearing a big target for the Ds......and the Oline will essentially have a funnel in the middle.
The problem with this statement is the belief that OB doesn't use a ZBS.
He does.
I expect Myers to continue to fit right in.
All zone schemes aren't created equal.
From my understanding this will be more of a power type zone whereas kubiaks was more on the finesse side.
He's going to become less capable because the guys around him are bigger?
No but on 3rd or 4th and 1, or goal line and short, where the ZBS shows its vulnerabilities and the straight power plays become so important.........the middle, which is then especially so important, will be at its weakest.