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Richard Sherman's Big Mouth

i dont recall ever being so irked at someone. everything this guy says, writes, does on the field just hits me the wrong way. oh i just remembered somebody as i am writing this. T.O, when he did his crappola on the star. but even to and chad johnson didnt piss me off as much as this dude.
ive never wished an injury on any football player, but i hope this dude tears an acl in the sb.:pissed:
 

ziggy29

Veteran
I have mixed feelings. On one hand, I'm old school about demeanor and prefer players who act like they've been there before, even if they haven't. Marshawn Lynch rips off a big TD run and just hands the ball to the official and has an understated celebration with his teammates. And by almost any reasonable standard, Sherman's "interview" was over the top. It was a really punkish thing to do. It's one thing to celebrate; it's another to totally disrespect your opponent.

On the other hand, I know enough about Crabtree to know that he was probably giving as much trash talk as he was taking. Boldin is the same way, maybe even worse -- the 49ers WRs are just that way, and their coach shares some of their attributes and surely doesn't discourage it. I also saw Crabtree shove Sherman in the face mask right after that last pick. Now Sherman claims he was coming over to say "good game", but I call BS on that -- it was very likely more trash talk. But still, I think this was going on back and forth all game and these two were so jacked up by the end of the game that it took a while for Sherman to come down.
 

SCOTTexans

Rookie
He backs up his talk day in and day out, continually making key plays and shuts down receivers.

If he said that he bangs goats i would still want him on this team.... :fingergun:
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
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The dude's mouth writes checks that his play on the field cashes.

The NFL is an entertainment industry at the end of the day. Sherman entertains. He can be your hero or he can be your villain. Either way, you continue to watch to see him succeed for fail. But you watch, and that's all that matters to NFL, Inc.

Sherman is good for business. He's not getting into trouble off the field, he's not purposefully trying to injure other players, and he's about the team as much as he is about himself.

And, c'mon, we don't see great defenses with legitimate nicknames anymore.

"Legion of Boom" >>> "Bulls on Parade" as far as names go.
 

Dutchrudder

Hall of Fame
I can't believe how much people are talking about this after watching such an awesome game. The players say waaaaaaaaay worse stuff to eachother on the field, but they clean up their acts in front of the cameras. Sherman won the game on that play and was fired up, so he was pumped and let it show. So what?

I mean honestly, if you want classy-ness or whatever the hell people want to call it, go watch golf or figure skating. Football is an aggressive sport, and guys talk **** all the time, it's just that most of the time it's not in front of the cameras, or they edit it out of the broadcast. It's not like he was being racist or vulgar, just disrespecting a guy he schooled all game.


I also liked this article on it:

...

We want them to utter the same banal cliches, put on a false face for television, talk like, simultaneously, everyone and no one actually does in real life. You ever wonder why 99% of athlete interviews sound the exact same? It's because everyone is acting, playing the role that countless athletes before them have played in their post-game interviews.

it's been so long since someone was actually honest, that none of us even know what that looks like.

And if you don't act that way -- a patently false way that no one truly resembles in their actual life -- then you're classless.

...
http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/can-we-please-stop-talking-about-class-and-sports.php
 

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn
Seahawks CB Richard Sherman tells me just now he regrets putting himself ahead of his team with postgame remarks: "I apologize for attacking an individual and taking the attention away from the fantastic game by my teammates. That was not my intent.''



Chatter is Sherman approached Crabtree at an offseason charity event to shake hands and Crabtree went off on Sherman talking trash about how they're (the 49ers) going to do this & that to the Seahawks next year -- which ended in them almost coming to blows.

Who knows where the truth lies in that, but I'm less put off by the postgame comment now. But it is fun to watch a defensive trash talking get his mouth shut by being scored on -- can't get the same immediate satisfaction with an offensive trash talker because you have to wait for the whole game.
 

Dan B.

Hall of Fame
I can't believe how much people are talking about this after watching such an awesome game. The players say waaaaaaaaay worse stuff to eachother on the field, but they clean up their acts in front of the cameras. Sherman won the game on that play and was fired up, so he was pumped and let it show. So what?

I mean honestly, if you want classy-ness or whatever the hell people want to call it, go watch golf or figure skating. Football is an aggressive sport, and guys talk **** all the time, it's just that most of the time it's not in front of the cameras, or they edit it out of the broadcast. It's not like he was being racist or vulgar, just disrespecting a guy he schooled all game.


I also liked this article on it:



http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/can-we-please-stop-talking-about-class-and-sports.php
Agreed. People just have to get worked up about something I guess.

I like a player that plays with some intensity. The nice guy thing is good for marketing, but bad for football IMO.
 

Double Barrel

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Sherman's act is entertaining in two ways: firstly that he backs up his mouth with the way he plays, and second when he eventually continues to mouth off but his play inevitably declines like it does for all athletes. We are entertained as he goes up and and then when he comes down. :D

I think it sets up a good Super Bowl, too. #1 defense vs. #1 offense. Ball hawk secondary vs. Peyton Manning. EPIC.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Agreed. People just have to get worked up about something I guess.

I like a player that plays with some intensity. The nice guy thing is good for marketing, but bad for football IMO.
Lots of either or stuff today.

Intensity is not mutually exclusive with being a nice guy after the whistle blows. Cliff "Captain Crash" Harris was one of the hardest hitting safeties the league has ever known and is a very "nice guy."

I like Sherman and there is nothing wrong with swagger but as with most things excess can get annoying.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Sherman's act is entertaining ...
Imagine how entertaining it would have been and controversial today if his penalty had set up an onside kick already in game winning FG range.

I think it sets up a good Super Bowl, too. #1 defense vs. #1 offense. Ball hawk secondary vs. Peyton Manning. EPIC.
Very true. Great matchup. Old pocket passer v. young and mobile. Manning could put a tombstone on doubting him by being the 1st QB to win a SB with two teams. etc.
 

Norg

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I still cant believe we were murkin these seahawks for 3 and a half qtrs. with matt schaub


and once Cushing got injured and left dat game man it went all down hill from there that's crazyyy ..???
 

Texn4life

All Pro
He read the TO/Ochocinco/Broner/Mayweather guide for self promotion and is seeing it through. He's been doing stuff for attention for years. I just think the dude is a phony and don't care for him personally. Have no problem with someone who likes him though.
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
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I wonder how Deacon Jones, the Fridge or Mean Joe Green would do in today's NFL?.
yeah, especially when you see NFL Films interviews with those guys and others recently where they basically admit that they were purposefully trying to hurt each other out there. Not just hurt, but take each other out of the game with injuries.

They were mean and unapologetic about it. Deacon Jones, even as an old dude, said he hates QBs and loved the NFL because it was the only time he could legally hit a white dude. Can you imagine a modern player showing that kind of demeanor out there or in the press?
 

htowntexans1985

1st Round Pick
I still cant believe we were murkin these seahawks for 3 and a half qtrs. with matt schaub


and once Cushing got injured and left dat game man it went all down hill from there that's crazyyy ..???
It all went downhill on the 1st pass of week 1. Pick 6. The writing was on the wall.
 

StarStruck

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
My son is a die hard Niner fan (yes my kids are independent thinkers) and was at the game. He heard about the interview first and later saw it. His response was that he didn't see the big deal of the big deal. His big deal was the two interceptions especially the last one considering the timing
 

bah007

Hall of Fame
Funny how people complain about PC but when someone comes along and says things that aren't PC those same people put them on blast.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
I thought at first someone changed the channel on me and I was watching Booker T doing an impression of Sherman...



Seriously though its a none issue. The interview was minutes after the confrontation and there seems to be bad blood as it is. The guy is human and its not similar to the TO antics or Ochocinco stuff. That was a heat of the battle type of response.
 

chicagotexan2

Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
He's no dummy. He likes being a villain and even though he comes off as a brash clown he's not what's wrong with the nfl. He's a character and ill take someone like him over someone like ray lewis any day.
 

gtexan02

Working?
I guarantee you his act is infectious to his teammates. He gets so pumped up for every game, every play. That's enviable
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
I remember seeing him @ senior bowl. He was a late injury add,came in night b4 and played well. Ex wr,great ball skills. How many dudes from compton goes to stanford,make straight a's ? As long as he plays like he do,I don't care.
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?

Sherman is honestly refreshing for the present NFL. Same with Suh

And as someone else said, it has been reported that Sherman and Crabtree have an off the field history
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
I remember seeing him @ senior bowl. He was a late injury add,came in night b4 and played well. Ex wr,great ball skills. How many dudes from compton goes to stanford,make straight a's ? As long as he plays like he do,I don't care.
well said. hence chip on shoulder, which drives him. However once he (Seahawks) win the Superbowl, reality will set in. How does he respond to media, commercial & contract requests? Love his candidness, keeping it real, just try to keep it underwraps & milk it for all its worth :money:
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
It's a win-win all the way around. When he backs it up it's entertaining and because the nature of the NFL is spelled out in it's name (Not For Long) sooner than he expects he won't be able to back it up and we'll get to see someone else eventually rub his nose in it like a dog that just did his business on the carpet. No matter what part of it you like best you'll get yours eventually.
 

Dan B.

Hall of Fame
Lots of either or stuff today.

Intensity is not mutually exclusive with being a nice guy after the whistle blows. Cliff "Captain Crash" Harris was one of the hardest hitting safeties the league has ever known and is a very "nice guy."

I like Sherman and there is nothing wrong with swagger but as with most things excess can get annoying.
I didn't say it was. There's a pretty strong correlation though.

I also disagree that Sherman's quotes were excessive or annoying.
 
Unless he said more than they showed on the news, I don't see the problem. He's excited about making a huge play to seal the win and he's yelling because it's friggin loud in there with everyone celebrating.
 

imatexan

All Pro
Sherman's act is entertaining in two ways: firstly that he backs up his mouth with the way he plays, and second when he eventually continues to mouth off but his play inevitably declines like it does for all athletes. We are entertained as he goes up and and then when he comes down. :D

I think it sets up a good Super Bowl, too. #1 defense vs. #1 offense. Ball hawk secondary vs. Peyton Manning. EPIC.
Like in the playoff last year when he had a 47 yard TD thrown on him and lost the game and continued to talk smack?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/roddy-white-says-richard-sherman-talked-way-pro-162306807.html

Humility and respect for your fellow competitors is lost with him, it's all about the "look at me".

Screw Sherman.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
I also disagree that Sherman's quotes were excessive or annoying.
Disagreeing with whom? While you quoted me, I never said his quotes alone were excessive or annoying. In fact the observation "excess can get annoying" was a general statement not even pointed at Sherman.
 

deucetx

Rookie
Had no issues with it personally. To be quite honest, it was kind of refreshing. It's a rare thing I even bother paying attention to interviews because guys say the same ol' politically correct jargon that you can write a script for. So yeah it was over the top and unsportsmanlike but damnit if it wasn't entertaining.

Plus, as someone else posted, there was a history there. Sherman didn't really react til he got shoved in the face when he extended his hand. Though I found it interesting (on another sports forum) how everyone focused on that one moment but ignored that for the entire game Sherman was patting Niners after a play. I remember it because I thought it was a bit out of character after some of his statements before the game. But all game he was patting guys after a good play and even helped one guy up on the Niners.

So fast forward and he makes the big play, pats Crab on the backside and extends his hand to only get shoved in the face. Granted it could have been a smart ass way of taunting. Hell...he might have reacted better than I would though lol. Eh, either way not a big deal.
 

Blake

MMQB
I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?
Yup. Because one thing is for sure, this message board doesn't have people who disagree. We all have the same uniform opinion. /sarcasm.

 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
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^ hilarious!! :lol:

I know a couple of football fans that have this exact take. Gotta' forward this to them.
 

chicagotexan2

Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?

Sherman is honestly refreshing for the present NFL. Same with Suh

And as someone else said, it has been reported that Sherman and Crabtree have an off the field history
Suh is loud and brash but he's a dirty cheap shot artist. I'd rather a league with several Shermans and no Suh.
 

Marshall

Not pretty, but ALIVE!
The nfl needs villains like this. Been to calm since TO called it a day


Your man... Pots and pans
OK! I have to ask if the Pots and Pans are some kind of regional inside joke. Is there more to the story? I've heard lot's of southern phrases, many of which are no longer popular, but I can't recall pots and pans being one of them.
 

Dutchrudder

Hall of Fame
The nfl needs villains like this. Been to calm since TO called it a day


Your man... Pots and pans
And who better to play the hero than Peyton Manning? I really hope this Super Bowl comes down to the last play, because it could be epic.

Also, I gotta ask what the hell does "Your man... Pots and pans" mean?
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
Suh is loud and brash but he's a dirty cheap shot artist. I'd rather a league with several Shermans and no Suh.
I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me
 

Double Barrel

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I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me
I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.
 

deucetx

Rookie
I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.
Apparently I have sent too much rep your way so I'll just say great post and nailed my feelings on it. Very well said.
 

JB

Innocent Bystander
Contributor's Club
I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me
In his own words and going by the pic taken, he was going up to tell him good game and shake his hand. If true, then Crabtree was the poor sport and has no class.

link
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.
Several good points.

Like I said before, I didn't really care about what was said in the interview due to reasons you stated. I only took issue with him running down Crabtree after the fact. You nailed it when you said the 'hand shake' was antagonizing Crabtree. The shove in the face would've never happened if the 'hand shake' never took place.

I don't mind players that are cocky, talk trash (in a competitive way) or think they're the best ever. I think it takes that kind of attitude to be successful in the game. But, running up on a guy after the game's a bit over the top for me.

In the end, I do think Crabtree's the douche of the two. This just struck a cord with me, that's all

In his own words and going by the pic taken, he was going up to tell him good game and shake his hand. If true, then Crabtree was the poor sport and has no class.

link
Yeah, but to me it was obvious he was being a smartass about it. Like DB said above, he was antagonizing Crabtree
 
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