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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
The biggest question to me is , who's our QB next year. Nothing else will have as big an impact on W's and L's.

Do you look for a vet FA or do you believe strongly enough in one of the QB's available in the draft to say he's my guy for the next 5 years.


Bob McNair seems to believe this will be a quick fix , well .... it wont be unless the QB riddle is solved. They could have the 85 Bears defense and Vince Lombardi or Tom Landry coaching ... and have sh!t to show for it at the end of the season .... unless they find a top quality QB.


So .... who ya got ?!
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
My QB is Zach Mettenberger. I think he's going to have a lot of success in the years to come.


And the knee will be just fine people.
 

CretorFrigg

Fire Rick Smith
I'd like us to sign Cutler. If we do choose to draft a QB in the first round, he can take time to learn under a veteran QB. I also believe Cutler gives us the best opportunity to win next year. I can't see a rookie QB leading us to a Super Bowl.
 

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
So .... who ya got ?!
Whoever Bill O'Brien decides on. He's a QB coach, OC.

Whoever he sees as the guy I'll support -- since "B.O." knows football, and I'm in my armchair.


I might get more excited if BO'B decides a Mettenberger or Bortles or Garoppolo is the guy, just because he'd be trusting himself instead of going with the consensus. But sometimes the consensus is right.
 

JCTexan

Hall of Fame
If you want a franchise QB, which I do, I would take one in the draft. I'm in the Bridgewater or Bortles boat.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
We have to improve the Oline no matter who is there so I go with Keenum and McCarron as of now. If Obrien is a good QB coach, why can't he coach them up?
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
We have to improve the Oline no matter who is there so I go with Keenum and McCarron as of now. If Obrien is a good QB coach, why can't he coach them up?
I doubt Keenum will be on the roster next season.

McCarron seems to be a less talented Mark Sanchez to me
 

Norg

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
MATT SCHAUB !!!!!! ................ with Teddy Bridgewater gettin red shirted behind him




Or tony Romo either way
 

BetaV1

Rookie
I'm a big Jay Cutty fan. Dude has brass balls. He's a gunslinger and has the arm to make all the throws in the NFL. I think he gets knocked far too much by the media for his demeanor.

I'd happily take him, but it has to be at the right price...

According to OverTheCap, Jay Cutler's annual salary was just over 14 and a half million a year. This put Cutler as the 11th highest paid quarterback in the league on a yearly basis.

Using that as a benchmark, do you think Cutler is worth $14.7 million a year? Is he really the 11th best quarterback in the league? As big of a fan as I am, I'm not sure he's done enough consistently to merit anything more than what his previous contract was. If I could get him for that same amount, I'll take him for sure. Problem is he's likely going to get paid a bit more than that and as big of a support of Jay as I am, I don't think he's in the top 8 of the league. Top ten, maybe.... Maybe....
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
The only FA QBs I'd sign right now are those that know they are coming in to tutor the QB we take in the draft. I hate doing it, but if Bridgewater or someone else seems like the guy, take 'em with the 1.1 pick before someone else snatches them up.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
I'm a big Jay Cutty fan. Dude has brass balls. He's a gunslinger and has the arm to make all the throws in the NFL. I think he gets knocked far too much by the media for his demeanor.

I'd happily take him, but it has to be at the right price...

According to OverTheCap, Jay Cutler's annual salary was just over 14 and a half million a year. This put Cutler as the 11th highest paid quarterback in the league on a yearly basis.

Using that as a benchmark, do you think Cutler is worth $14.7 million a year? Is he really the 11th best quarterback in the league? As big of a fan as I am, I'm not sure he's done enough consistently to merit anything more than what his previous contract was. If I could get him for that same amount, I'll take him for sure. Problem is he's likely going to get paid a bit more than that and as big of a support of Jay as I am, I don't think he's in the top 8 of the league. Top ten, maybe.... Maybe....
I wouldn't consider myself a fan, but I do respect his ability & still believe he's yet to reach his ceiling. I don't think he's going to get a franchise type contract on his next stop, but I'm hoping he believes he is still worth one. Opening him to a one year deal at starting QB money..... which is about $10M.

I've been on record as saying the Texans would be foolish to take a $10M cap hit on Matt Schaub... truth be told, there's still a possibilty that we'll ask him to take a pay cut & he'll be here until our new QB earns the starting roll. But with the fan cheering his injury, booing his return to the game & TPing his house, I hope he demands to be traded/cut.

"the fans" will be pissed if we sign Cutler to a one year $10M deal & we don't win the Super Bowl. They'll be more upset if we don't & we have another losing season.

I think we should draft our QB of the future. If he proves to be a better option than the veteran we sign (Wilson over Flynn) we're the better for it, if we have the right people making that assessment.
 

Lord Bills

Destruction
two most important things to look for in a franchise QB,

1, Is he good looking enough?

I cannot stress that enough. Have you ever seen an ugly ass quarterback win the superbowl? Be a consistently great quarterback year in year out? There's a reason for that. If you are handsome, you get the girl, you get the girl, guys look up to you and want to follow you. It is a integral part of being a leader.

Just look at all the legendary great champions who were the leaders of their team across all sports from basketball, tennis, olympics, soccer, formula one racing etc....

Its is a very strong common denominator. You have to look the part (and dress the part) to be the part.


2, Does he have a great cool sounding name?

Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Joe Montana. John Elway. Drew Brees. Steve Young. Matt Schaub.

Who doesnt belong in that list? Name me a great quarterback that has a sorry, boring, ugly name that was consistently great.

Why do you think hollywood actors change their name? tom cruise wouldnt be tom cruise if he went with tomas malpohter. Olivia wilde would not be where she is today if she went with her real last name cockburn. Look att boxing superstar floyd mayweeather jr., he had to change his name from floyd sinclair to floyd mayweather to become money may. Sugar Ray Robinson wouuldnt be the greatest p4p #1 boxer of all time if he went with walkter smith.

Its karmic destiny to greatness if you have the right name.


If GMs just followed these two untapped supreme analytic criteria, they wouldnt get fired so much.

Its that easy and scientific.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Another guy wearing #8? Do you just want to recycle your Schaub jersey to Mettenberger that you previously recycled from Carr?
I don't place any particular significance on the number. I've never been able to figure out why anyone else does for that matter. It's just a number.

If we'd signed Manning and he'd suddenly opted to wear #8 would he have started sucking right then and there on the spot? If a jersey change was all it took to fix Carr why in the hell did we give up a pair of 2's to get Schaub from the Falcons and then not even bother to make him change numbers?

:spin:
 

drs23

Veteran
...but I do respect his ability & still believe he's yet to reach his ceiling.

I've been on record as saying the Texans would be foolish to take a $10M cap hit on Matt Schaub... I hope he demands to be traded/cut.
First bolded: DAYUM, how long does it take then TK?

Second:
“I would do anything for those guys,” Schaub said after the game. “So, to come back and play with those guys? Absolutely. But, I’m also a realist and understand the nature of this business so we’ll see how it goes.”
link
 

welsh texan

You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
If we were to take a vet QB we can trade back from the #1 gaining #4,#26 & #36 in addition to #33, allowing the Browns our #1 and guaranteeing them teddy by jumping in front of the Jags.

Take a vet, improve the OL get a QB a little later on, and spend 2 high picks to improve the D.

This takes the pressure off our rookie QB to start before he's ready and allows us o improve immensely across the team.

Now, we only do this if the new coaching staff don't think Teddy is the guaranteed franchise QB for the next 15 years.

The guy who suggested Orton earlier, I wouldn't be against that, I think if you have the guy of the future in the draft, but he isn't ready to start, Orton is the type of guy who can game manage, take the pressure off the rookie, and most importanly, give some cap relief compared to say cutler so we can go out and get a couple of mid-level FAs to further improve.

I see this as a plan that guarantees the ability to get to a ~.500 record at the least (decent coaching dependant) and possibly get straight back into the playoffs.
 

Texn4life

All Pro
Supposedly Marcus Mariota is re-considering entering the draft. I can't say I'm super high on him, but I do want to take a good look at him tonight. Reminds me a lot of Kaepernick.
 

kingtexan

All Pro
Depends on what we do in the draft at QB. Whoever we draft should not start. There are no day one starters in this draft. If we got someone like a Manziel then I wouldn't mind signing Vick or Freeman to a two year deal to show him the ropes. If we signed a more pure pocket rookie, then maybe Henne or McCown to the same type of deal. I don't see us competing for a championship until the new regime has been in place a year or two so first we just need a solid game manager to teach a rookie how to be a pro.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
I wouldn't mind signing Vick or Freeman to a two year deal to show him the ropes.
I don't want either of those guys showing anyone the ropes. I'm all for signing them, but as tackling dummies more than anything else.
 

burro

probably drunk
I would like to see what BOB could do with Keenum, some improvements on the o line, and a healthy RB corp... but that's not a realistic option. We'll probably end up with Bridgewater and Schaub as a back up.
 

kingtexan

All Pro
I would like to see what BOB could do with Keenum, some improvements on the o line, and a healthy RB corp... but that's not a realistic option. We'll probably end up with Bridgewater and Schaub as a back up.
No chance Schaub is back ... no chance.
 

Texn4life

All Pro
I would like to see what BOB could do with Keenum, some improvements on the o line, and a healthy RB corp... but that's not a realistic option. We'll probably end up with Bridgewater and Schaub as a back up.
I think Keenum hangs around as a backup QB considering he'll be cheap.
 

burro

probably drunk
No chance Schaub is back ... no chance.
Why not? We could save the cap hit. It's not like he or any other veteran backup we'd sign would have a snowball's chance in hell of starting over the #1 overall pick (barring injury) anyways...
 

kingtexan

All Pro
Why not? We could save the cap hit. It's not like he or any other veteran backup we'd sign would have a snowball's chance in hell of starting over the #1 overall pick (barring injury) anyways...
If we pick a QB at #1 we are forfeiting the franchise anyway so may as well keep him. But we wont ... either ...
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Why not? We could save the cap hit. It's not like he or any other veteran backup we'd sign would have a snowball's chance in hell of starting over the #1 overall pick (barring injury) anyways...
Because it saves cap to cut him and eliminates his contract.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
Why not? We could save the cap hit. It's not like he or any other veteran backup we'd sign would have a snowball's chance in hell of starting over the #1 overall pick (barring injury) anyways...
We pick up $4M right away to cut him. $11M if we designate him a June 1st cut. That might get you Vick or Cutler, maybe Brandon Albert or Eugene Monroe, or Paul Soliai, Daryl Smith, Karlos Dansby, Cromartie, Tillman, Whitner, Ihedigbo, or Phil Dawson......

One or two of those guys would help us focus more on BPA, than reach for a need.
 

burro

probably drunk
We pick up $4M right away to cut him. $11M if we designate him a June 1st cut. That might get you Vick or Cutler, maybe Brandon Albert or Eugene Monroe, or Paul Soliai, Daryl Smith, Karlos Dansby, Cromartie, Tillman, Whitner, Ihedigbo, or Phil Dawson......

One or two of those guys would help us focus more on BPA, than reach for a need.
I must have misunderstood his contract; in this case you definitely cut him. As I said, QB #2 will be irrelevant if we go QB with the first pick. Whatever is good for the cap.
 

JB

Innocent Bystander
Contributor's Club
We pick up $4M right away to cut him. $11M if we designate him a June 1st cut. That might get you Vick or Cutler, maybe Brandon Albert or Eugene Monroe, or Paul Soliai, Daryl Smith, Karlos Dansby, Cromartie, Tillman, Whitner, Ihedigbo, or Phil Dawson......

One or two of those guys would help us focus more on BPA, than reach for a need.
Man if we could land Soliai and Dansby our defense would be exciting
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
I would like to see what BOB could do with Keenum,
We've seen the best of Keenum already .... Sorry but if anyone was gonna do anything with Keenum , he's already been shown the door .... Woulda been a great story but .... they aint makin a Hollywood movie outa Keenum's story. He'll stick around as the backup , nothing more.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
The passing clinic Teddy B put on SAT night was a thing of beauty.

Guess who I want <wink>
 

burro

probably drunk
We've seen the best of Keenum already ....
I can't say that for sure...what QB short of Brady or Manning would find success working with a patch work Oline, practice squad RBs, 1 TE, and a lame duck HC that didn't want him starting in the first place?

The last point is important. If BOB is the QB guru people say he is, Keenum is skilled enough to work with. Somehow I doubt Kubiak was getting the best out of him...or anybody for that matter.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
We've seen the best of Keenum already .... Sorry but if anyone was gonna do anything with Keenum , he's already been shown the door .... Woulda been a great story but .... they aint makin a Hollywood movie outa Keenum's story. He'll stick around as the backup , nothing more.
I definitely don't think we've seen the best of Keenum; however, I still need to reiterate my point: I wanted the Texans to take both Wilson and Keenum that year as insurance policy for one another because of their small stature.

I insisted that Keenum needs to learn to avoid contact as much as possible, like Brees always does.
Wilson has been doing a good job of it, partly because he's quicker and faster, but partly because he's also smart in that way.
Keenum needs to learn to do the same.

The Texans still need another QB, but I'm unsure whether to go with a FA vet or a draft pick, or both.

I'm not sure I want to write off Yates either, but his ceiling seems to be almost there, since Keenum had leapfrogged him.

It's quite likely that Keenum is no more than a backup, but I think I'd like to see more.
There had been QBs that had it rougher than him.
Eli Manning, for example, if you go back and look into his first year.
He won one game, a meaningless game at the end of the season against the Cowboys, a team that was going nowhere, throwing for 144 yards.
Steve Young had a rough going at the beginning.
Bradshaw's numbers were pretty much last in the league, if you add all the major criteria together (compl pct, AYA, TD/Int ratio).
The teams these guys inherited weren't as bad as the Texans.
The Bucs sucked, but I doub!their ST was as bad.

it might well be that the Texans decide to draft a QB with the first pick, then so be it.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
8 needs to be sh!tcanned forever from this team. :littlelol:

I too would like to see them sign Cutler, and draft either Bortles, or Manziel.
I don't think Cutler is doable; it will make it very hard to resign Watt down the road.
He will want at least a two-year contract with quite a bit in guaranteed money up front.
 
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