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Apparently, the Houston Texans’ firing of Gary Kubiak has one other AFC South team looking to make major changes very soon — and possibly before the 2013 season is done. According to Mike Silver and Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Tennessee Titans’ front office is not happy with the direction of the team, and head coach Mike Munchak is coaching for his job at this point. Because the Texans are now the only NFL team able to openly and publicly talk to available head-coaching candidates like Lovie Smith, the move may happen sooner than later, Silver reports. In fact, Munchak may not last the season.
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http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/08/tennessee-titans-mike-munchak-jake-locker-chris-johnson/?eref=sihp
 
If this is all true...

I think the Tacks are fooling themselves if they think they need to fire Munch now so they can "get ahead" of the Texans for first choice.

Anyone choosing Possum Holler while still a Texans candidate would have to have his decision-making called into question.
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Lol. That's a Bud Adams-ish move. He was always looking over his shoulder nervously at the Texans.

Aren't they technically still in the hunt for a wild card spot?

Regardless, no way they could compete with us for top coaches. The job here is much, much better than that one.
 
houstonspartan said:
Lol. That's a Bud Adams-ish move. He was always looking over his shoulder nervously at the Texans.

Aren't they technically still in the hunt for a wild card spot?

Regardless, no way they could compete with us for top coaches. The job here is much, much better than that one.
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Bud Adams is no longer there, who knows what that franchise is thought of?
 
i would definitely believe they're targeting kubiak, but i HIGHLY doubt that he would want to go to tennessee. remember this is a guy that reportedly turned down offers as a coordinator in denver before coming to houston. i cant imagine him wanting to uproot and go to tennessee.
 
Munchak never had that strong of a chance to turn that team around. Wasn't the best coaching gig for him to take. Like many coaches in the past, he never had an adequate QB to work with. I thought he did alright considering what the Titans had to work with, but I didn't think he would last that long either. I'd love to have that guy as an Oline coach.
 
Scooter said:
i would definitely believe they're targeting kubiak, but i HIGHLY doubt that he would want to go to tennessee. remember this is a guy that reportedly turned down offers as a coordinator in denver before coming to houston. i cant imagine him wanting to uproot and go to tennessee.
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I don't see any reason why not. There are only 32 of those jobs.

Though, my money is on him taking a year off for health reasons before looking to come back.
 
Drafting Locker has hurt Munch in a big way. Hiring a lot of his buddies to coach might've hurt him a bit too.
 
nero THE zero said:
I don't see any reason why not. There are only 32 of those jobs.



Though, my money is on him taking a year off for health reasons before looking to come back.
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Exactly. I see him taking the year off and making sure his health is in check to. When the opportunity comes, he will want to be a head coach again and no reason that couldn't happen in Tenn.
 
Taking a year off is a rarity for NFL coaches - one pretty much limited to those who know they have the cache to have offers when they get back. That's true even though they are often owed money from their old employer so not making anything significant by going to a new job. I doubt Kubiak turns down an OC gig of college HC gig unless it is a horrible situation.
 
Both Munchack and Matthews will be free if they implode that staff. Both class, class guys. I'd love to have them here coaching the line....but that's putting the cart way in front of the horse at this point.
 
Norg said:
Kubes to TENN !!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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I seriously doubt anyone is going to be giving Kubiak a HC job any time soon. Most know that he should not have lasted as long as he did here.

At this point I am not even sure he is still a good OC since everything he does is becoming more and more dated and ineffective.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I seriously doubt anyone is going to be giving Kubiak a HC job any time soon. Most know that he should not have lasted as long as he did here.

At this point I am not even sure he is still a good OC since everything he does is becoming more and more dated and ineffective.
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he would make a hell of a QB coach
 
If ever a team needed an enema when it comes to their coaching staff, man do the Texans and Titans have something in common. Munchak was handed a ton of talent this year, but was so in over his head, it was downright comical. Yes Locker got hurt, but there is talent at every position. He can't manage a game, doesn't know how to challenge plays, and tries way too hard to play the emotionless CEO card. It was a terrible hire to begin with, but part of a 40 year run of mosly sad choices by a bad franchise.

Seriously, when Jeff Fisher is looked at as the best the franchise ever had, that o me shows how futile its been.
 
toronto said:
If ever a team needed an enema when it comes to their coaching staff, man do the Texans and Titans have something in common. Munchak was handed a ton of talent this year, but was so in over his head, it was downright comical. Yes Locker got hurt, but there is talent at every position. He can't manage a game, doesn't know how to challenge plays, and tries way too hard to play the emotionless CEO card. It was a terrible hire to begin with, but part of a 40 year run of mosly sad choices by a bad franchise.

Seriously, when Jeff Fisher is looked at as the best the franchise ever had, that o me shows how futile its been.
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When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread
 
HOU-TEX said:
When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread
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I assumed he meant just the Titans without the Oilers included. Of course, that means it's just Fisher and Munchak in the running but c'est la vie.

If he is including the Oilers then... no. Just. No.
 
HOU-TEX said:
When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread
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Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better? This isn't an organization that has a great coaching tree. If anything it's one of the worst. Yes I include the Oilers, as that's what I grew up on 1978 onwards.
 
toronto said:
Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better? This isn't an organization that has a great coaching tree. If anything it's one of the worst. Yes I include the Oilers, as that's what I grew up on 1978 onwards.
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I'd consider Bum Phillips and Jack Pardee easily better than Fisher. Maybe even Glanville even though he was only about 50%.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'd consider Bum Phillips and Jack Pardee easily better than Fisher. Maybe even Glanville even though he was only about 50%.
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I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.
 
infantrycak said:
I would think 4 playoff years out of 5 would trump 6 out of 16 pretty easily.
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True, but Fisher did one thing none of the others could achieve: win an AFC championship.

I'm not a Fisher fan, but I'd have to put him in the top 5 coaches of Oilers/Titans franchise history.

My order would probably be Bum, Pardee, Fisher, Glanville...maybe Lou Rymkus for two AFL championships?
 
toronto said:
I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.
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I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.
 
toronto said:
I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.
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You have to remember that Pardee was operating with both hands tied behind his back. So was Holovak. Bum took complete control away from both, even more than he normally did.
 
JB said:
You have to remember that Pardee was operating with both hands tied behind his back. So was Holovak. Bum took complete control away from both, even more than he normally did.
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His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.
 
toronto said:
His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.
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Jack Pardee never quit on anything in his life. Yeah he made some bad decisions but I think you judge too harshly.
 
JB said:
Jack Pardee never quit on anything in his life. Yeah he made some bad decisions but I think you judge too harshly.
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I'm not judging him harshly, I just believe, while we're not talking Vince Lombardi here, that Fisher was a better coach than Pardee. Too much bad and choke happened under his watch. To me, those were the most talented teams I ever saw where the powder blue.

That said, I'd take the 1993 Pardee over 2013 Munchak. (lol I guess only to me)
 
toronto said:
I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.
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I deeply disagree with you on this. Pardee was past his prime when he came to the Oiler's but that same terrible coaching tree you brought up pretty much assures him of a place near the top.

As was said 4 out of 5 tops 6 in 16. I have a lot of respect for Pardee. I like Fisher, always have and like most old Oiler fans I loved Bum. Fisher's third in my mind behind the other two.
 
Hervoyel said:
I deeply disagree with you on this. Pardee was past his prime when he came to the Oiler's but that same terrible coaching tree you brought up pretty much assures him of a place near the top.

As was said 4 out of 5 tops 6 in 16. I have a lot of respect for Pardee. I like Fisher, always have and like most old Oiler fans I loved Bum. Fisher's third in my mind behind the other two.
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To each their own my friend! :)

I think its partially because I was there in person for 35-3. You never heal from that wound.
 
toronto said:
I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.
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Yeah, that is some pretty strong exaggeration there. Pardee had a stacked team and couldn't get anywhere with it in the post season. Biggest choke job of all time to. Glanville had some mild successes, but everyone always knew that he was pathetic. For the most part I always felt that the Titans were having success here and there, because of Fisher's coaching and not in spite of it like many other HC's. When Fisher had a good QB in Mcnair the Titans had quite a few nice seasons. I thought that Fisher made that team better than it should have been most of the time. I can't say the same thing for either Pardee or Glanville. Bum had more success when you consider the winning percentage, but it's a much smaller sample so it's hard to compare without seeing what Bum could have done in a similar period like what Fisher had.


toronto said:
His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.
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Pretty much. Good post.
 
Jim Wyatt ‏@jwyattsports 7m

@mortreport says coach Mike Munchak has been fired by #Titans. He was offered chance to come back on Friday, with conditions
 
This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.

Gary Kubiak anyone?
 
Jim Wyatt ‏@jwyattsports

Among the coaches Munchak was going to have to let go: DC Gray, OC Loggains, OL coach Matthews and LB coach Parlavecchio #Titans
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with conditions...........
 
Hookem Horns said:
This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.
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They might wait until the playoffs are over to interview some of those guys who aren't available just yet. Like a Whisenhut or anybody on Seattles staff.
 
Hookem Horns said:
This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.

Gary Kubiak anyone?
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It's not that big a head start. I suspect the Titans will lean towards a Zimmer, Gase or Quinn.

Doubt they will dip into the college ranks...
 
Kudos to Munchak for telling Tommy Smith to shove it when told he had to fire Bruce Matthews et al to keep his job. :clap:
 
Playoffs said:
Kudos to Munchak for telling Tommy Smith to shove it when told he had to fire Bruce Matthews et al to keep his job. :clap:
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Well I don't know that I would give him kudos for that. I love Mathews myself, but that is the same thing many of us bashed Kubiak and Mack Brown for. Loyalty to their staff to a fault. I'm not saying this was the case as I wasn't informed enough about the situation, but I hate coaches that refuse to get rid of a weakness on their staff. With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well I don't know that I would give him kudos for that. I love Mathews myself, but that is the same thing many of us bashed Kubiak and Mack Brown for. Loyalty to their staff to a fault. I'm not saying this was the case as I wasn't informed enough about the situation, but I hate coaches that refuse to get rid of a weakness on their staff. With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.
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True...but I wonder what Kubes would have done given the option "with conditions"?

:thinking:
 
Texecutioner said:
With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.
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Munchak was offered an extension at double his salary if he allowed Tommy Smith to micro-manage his staff. All Munch had to do was fire 12 guys. I promise you the Titans downfall wasn't on Matthews.

Sometimes you stand up for what's right. Just because some fan thinks you're wrong doesn't make it so. Munch decided he didn't want to wear a skirt in Nashville. Good for him, IMO. His integrity was not for sale.
 
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