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Texans to interview Whisenhunt (Hired by the Tacks)

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I'm sure the Texans will be interviewing many in the weeks to come
 
Fly him in and give him an all expenses paid interview. Make sure you buy the ticket home. In a word... no.

He had a team that got hot for 4 games and went to the SB. Never won more than 10 games and was not even close to a .500 team.

Mike
 
Playoffs said:
Are we going to have a thread for each one of these guys?
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I'm in favor of it. Maybe just one thread for each one but having a thread makes it easier to see the list rather than having to read 35 pages to get the comprehensive list.

Mike
 
Playoffs said:
Are we going to have a thread for each one of these guys?
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If there is an article actually reporting a connection to the Texans then it can become a separate thread. Otherwise speculation and discussion go in the all encompassing thread.

I know you know this but just as a reminder for everyone.
 
infantrycak said:
If there is an article actually reporting a connection to the Texans then it can become a separate thread. Otherwise speculation and discussion go in the all encompassing thread.

I know you know this but just as a reminder for everyone.
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Cool. :shades: Gives us something to talk about while other teams vie for the postseason.
 
Quick II Draw said:
per ESPN:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10102000/ken-whisenhunt-radar-houston-texans

Although I'd like it more if the Texans hired ex-Cards, current Browns DC Ray Horton.
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Not totally against Wisenhunt. He's a Steeler, I'm sure McNair loves that. He coached a Super Bowl winning offense much more recently than our last coach. & he took a wierd Arizona team to the Super Bowl.

With Lovie Smith & Wisenhunt on the "experienced" Super Bowl coaching list, I'm more interested to see what first timers we're going to be looking at.
 
Whisenhunt career record: 49-53 (.480)
Kubiak career record: 63–66 (.488)

Seems were going in the wrong direction...
 
I'm all for giving the guy an interview and I'm more interested in him than in the other retreads. The question is: what did he learn from the Arizona job? If you never hired a coach that failed in his first HC gig, then Belichick would have been exiled to Browns hell. So you ask the question. The guy coached in Arizona, where nothing has been done before or since. The owner of the Cards is terrible. He was a good OC in Pittsburgh. He made the tough decision to bench Leinart in favor of Warner, when everyone thought Warner was nothing more than a career backup who got hot for a couple years, and when the salary cap dictated to most teams that they play their $50+ million first round QB.

I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes as well. So that's what interviews are for, to find out what happened, why they were made, and what was learned. I'm definitely interested.
 
I would hate this equally as much as Mike Shanny. Both of these guys IMO are over rated as hell as head coaches.
 
No thanks I have this fear he would bring Russ Grimm's no coaching ass to coach our oline and get our young QB killed like he did Kevin Kolb
 
thunderkyss said:
Not totally against Wisenhunt. He's a Steeler, I'm sure McNair loves that. He coached a Super Bowl winning offense much more recently than our last coach. & he took a wierd Arizona team to the Super Bowl.

With Lovie Smith & Wisenhunt on the "experienced" Super Bowl coaching list, I'm more interested to see what first timers we're going to be looking at.
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Yep.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm all for giving the guy an interview and I'm more interested in him than in the other retreads. The question is: what did he learn from the Arizona job? If you never hired a coach that failed in his first HC gig, then Belichick would have been exiled to Browns hell. So you ask the question. The guy coached in Arizona, where nothing has been done before or since. The owner of the Cards is terrible. He was a good OC in Pittsburgh. He made the tough decision to bench Leinart in favor of Warner, when everyone thought Warner was nothing more than a career backup who got hot for a couple years, and when the salary cap dictated to most teams that they play their $50+ million first round QB.

I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes as well. So that's what interviews are for, to find out what happened, why they were made, and what was learned. I'm definitely interested.
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Even though Whisenhunt would not be my choice, it should be understood that a factor in his subsequent downfall with the Cards was that the owner felt that he was being generous when he offered him two nickels to rub together to rebuild the team.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm all for giving the guy an interview and I'm more interested in him than in the other retreads. The question is: what did he learn from the Arizona job? If you never hired a coach that failed in his first HC gig, then Belichick would have been exiled to Browns hell. So you ask the question. The guy coached in Arizona, where nothing has been done before or since. The owner of the Cards is terrible. He was a good OC in Pittsburgh. He made the tough decision to bench Leinart in favor of Warner, when everyone thought Warner was nothing more than a career backup who got hot for a couple years, and when the salary cap dictated to most teams that they play their $50+ million first round QB.

I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes as well. So that's what interviews are for, to find out what happened, why they were made, and what was learned. I'm definitely interested.
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Good point. That is exactly what interviews are for. No one is saying that the guy is already setting up his office at Reliant. It's just an interview.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Even though Whisenhunt would not be my choice, it should be understood that a factor in his subsequent downfall with the Cards was that the owner felt that he was being generous when he offered him two nickels to rub together to rebuild the team.
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It doesn't matter. Generally speaking, the HCs that do well right out of the gate don't generally hit the HC market. To act like Wisenhunt had no success with a misfit of an organization/team is disingenuous at best. It didn't work out... who has it worked out for in Arizona?

The key is to have an honest conversation about what happened in Arizona, what's going on in San Diego. What has he found that works, what doesn't work, & what he's going to do in the future.

That conversation is going to decide whether he'll be a good fit for the Texans & none of us are going to be privy to that conversation. Nothing he has done screams that he can't be a good HC in the NFL. Again, failing in Arizona should not count against anyone (& that includes Denny Green. His problem was that breakdown he had in front of the cameras) except their ownership.

Right now, he's just coming in for an interview. Nothing wrong with that. I'd be more upset if he wasn't on their list.
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn't matter. Generally speaking, the HCs that do well right out of the gate don't generally hit the HC market. To act like Wisenhunt had no success with a misfit of an organization/team is disingenuous at best. It didn't work out... who has it worked out for in Arizona?

The key is to have an honest conversation about what happened in Arizona, what's going on in San Diego. What has he found that works, what doesn't work, & what he's going to do in the future.

That conversation is going to decide whether he'll be a good fit for the Texans & none of us are going to be privy to that conversation. Nothing he has done screams that he can't be a good HC in the NFL. Again, failing in Arizona should not count against anyone (& that includes Denny Green. His problem was that breakdown he had in front of the cameras) except their ownership.

Right now, he's just coming in for an interview. Nothing wrong with that. I'd be more upset if he wasn't on their list.
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Aren't we agreeing on this point?
 
I just wish some of you would get over this stupid Bill Cowher worship and just be a little realistic about what coaches out there are actually available.

I can tell right now that the offseason is actually going to suck worse than the season itself.:(
 
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.
 
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Lord Bills said:
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.
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What about being well dressed? :kitten:
 
htownfan32 said:
What about being well dressed? :kitten:
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that's a given but its more of a starting qb thing.

You have to have a great name, be relatively good looking, and have a great name.

those 3 things are a must for true franchise qbs. that's a scientific fact.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Aren't we agreeing on this point?
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Yes.... I was really replying more to the guy you quoted agreeing with you. Whisenhunt got canned, but no one has been more successful in Arizona than he was. & firing him is more of is more of a condemnation of the Cardinals than Whisenhunt.
 
I don't really know anything about whisenhunt.

Or really most of these guys.

I mean...I have some info on them, but whoever is actually getting all the info and talking to these guy I hope they have some sense.
 
Just like Bob to go the retread route.

That's what happens when 1) You're extremely conservative by nature; and 2) You think your team just needs some tweaking here and there to be back in contention.

Disappointing.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Just like Bob to go the retread route.

That's what happens when 1) You're extremely conservative by nature; and 2) You think your team just needs some tweaking here and there to be back in contention.

Disappointing.
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This team doesn't need a full tear-down. We thought this team was a Super Bowl contender going into the season, right? A talentless team would not be thought of so highly.

Our problems are mainly coaching. Get a new coach, get a top toy, and bolster depth and we'll be right back where we were expected to be.
 
Lord Bills said:
that's a given but its more of a starting qb thing.

You have to have a great name, be relatively good looking, and have a great name.

those 3 things are a must for true franchise qbs. that's a scientific fact.
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I guess I'm getting a little slow on the uptake in my old age, because it's actually taken me this long to realize you're just a damn troll. Movin on now. :gun:
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Just like Bob to go the retread route.
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Just like a hater to dis McNair for doing something he hasn't done. So far, he's asked a couple of guys to come in for interviews. He hasn't made a decision, nor has he said he'll make the decision.

There will be more names.... actually I think Sumlin has already been named.

But he doesn't fit your "retread" rant does he?
 
thunderkyss said:
Just like a hater to dis McNair for doing something he hasn't done. So far, he's asked a couple of guys to come in for interviews. He hasn't made a decision, nor has he said he'll make the decision.

There will be more names.... actually I think Sumlin has already been named.

But he doesn't fit your "retread" rant does he?
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Uhmm I think McNair laid out in the firing press conference that he is looking for a person with both heading coaching and NFL experience...ie. a retread. It is silly to criticize someone for doing what he told you he was going to do.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yes.... I was really replying more to the guy you quoted agreeing with you. Whisenhunt got canned, but no one has been more successful in Arizona than he was. & firing him is more of is more of a condemnation of the Cardinals than Whisenhunt.
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Being the most successful Cardinals H/C is not some ground breaking feet. It's the Cardinals.
 
Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner started:
24-18
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Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner did not start:
21-33
.388
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Uhmm I think McNair laid out in the firing press conference that he is looking for a person with both heading coaching and NFL experience...ie. a retread. It is silly to criticize someone for doing what he told you he was going to do.
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He specifically referred to that as two different requirements so college HCs with NFL coaching experience like David Shaw are not retreads and fit what he described.

What it leaves out is a college HC with no NFL experience like Kevin Sumlin and NFL coordinators who have never been a college HC like Darrell Bevell.
 
BetaV1 said:
Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner started:
24-18
.571

Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner did not start:
21-33
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Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."
 
infantrycak said:
He specifically referred to that as two different requirements so college HCs with NFL coaching experience like David Shaw are not retreads and fit what he described.

What it leaves out is a college HC with no NFL experience like Kevin Sumlin and NFL coordinators who have never been a college HC like Darrell Bevell.
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Which functionally leaves Shaw and how many other realistic candidates ( and I am not expecting a list)...Most of the interviewee will be 'retreads," which is the general point I was making.

Anyway, I don't take the term as negative as the way it is thrown around in these parts. Arguably one of the problems with Smithiak was that we had both a GM and coach learning their jobs with an owner relative unfamiliar with the NFL. A retread in one of those position may have helped the building not take so long.
 
TexanPulse said:
Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."
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Good post.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
And yet, they were pretty good for a bit.
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When were they pretty good?

They had an 8-8, 9-7,10-6 in a terrible division (in that three year stretch Seattle was 10-6 when they went 8-8, no other team finished better than .500 in their division those 3 years.)
TexanPulse said:
Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."
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I'm not a Wisenhunt fan, obviously, and I understand he was in Arizona but I'm not sure who he is. What's a positive hallmark of a Wisenhunt coached team? I defended Kubiak until this year because this team was undisciplined from the very start of the year.

Fox has Manning (who even made Jim Caldwell look capable because he's essentially the Assistant Head Coach). Reid looks like a winner with Alex freakin' Smith.

Wisenhunt?

Arizona averaged 107 penalties a year while he was their coach. They never had fewer than 100 and they finished 32nd, 22nd, 25th, 27th and 30th (tied for last) in penalties while he was their coach.

Next I look at turnover differential.

-1,-13,-7,0,-7

Going backwards from 2012.

Even worse?

36,35,34,30,36

Total give aways.

Nothing I see tells me I want him as a head coach. In the top 5 in giveaways and penalties year after year? That's a discipline problem. If you can't explain how you change that I don't know how you can coach.

Mike
 
TexanPulse said:
Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."
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Agree with pretty much everything here, but it seems more like you are indicating that the QB is what matters most and ends up determining how well a lot of coaches do in their tenures. I've always thought that as well. On the flip side a lot of coaches end up going to bad teams without a good QB, and never end up with any luck in the draft to be able to find a really good one with any of their picks. Sometimes luck plays a big factor in what QB a HC ends up landing. Then some coaches can over achieve without a great QB, but that's a lot more rare.
 
Texecutioner said:
Agree with pretty much everything here, but it seems more like you are indicating that the QB is what matters most and ends up determining how well a lot of coaches do in their tenures. I've always thought that as well. On the flip side a lot of coaches end up going to bad teams without a good QB, and never end up with any luck in the draft to be able to find a really good one with any of their picks. Sometimes luck plays a big factor in what QB a HC ends up landing. Then some coaches can over achieve without a great QB, but that's a lot more rare.
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There's certainly some head scratchers who have won together i.e. Dilfer and Billick? (They also had Marvin Lewis, Rex Ryan, and Del Rio coaching that defense) Brad Johnson/Gruden (again defense) and then theres Flacco/Harbaugh?

On the other hand a guy like Sean Payton comes around and knows that he first needs a QB and gets Brees. He's a damn good coach for knowing what he needed, getting it done, and working with him to excel. Whisenhunt doesn't seem to have figured out how to do that based on his track record. Even Kubes did that with getting Schaub at first.

Im not sold on any of the retreads yet but things could be worse than the Wiz. Hopefully this 'consultant' Jed Hughes knows his business.
 
Texanmike02 said:
When were they pretty good?

They had an 8-8, 9-7,10-6 in a terrible division (in that three year stretch Seattle was 10-6 when they went 8-8, no other team finished better than .500 in their division those 3 years.)



I'm not a Wisenhunt fan, obviously, and I understand he was in Arizona but I'm not sure who he is. What's a positive hallmark of a Wisenhunt coached team? I defended Kubiak until this year because this team was undisciplined from the very start of the year.

Fox has Manning (who even made Jim Caldwell look capable because he's essentially the Assistant Head Coach). Reid looks like a winner with Alex freakin' Smith.

Wisenhunt?

Arizona averaged 107 penalties a year while he was their coach. They never had fewer than 100 and they finished 32nd, 22nd, 25th, 27th and 30th (tied for last) in penalties while he was their coach.

Next I look at turnover differential.

-1,-13,-7,0,-7

Going backwards from 2012.

Even worse?

36,35,34,30,36

Total give aways.

Nothing I see tells me I want him as a head coach. In the top 5 in giveaways and penalties year after year? That's a discipline problem. If you can't explain how you change that I don't know how you can coach.

Mike
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Well, they did make the Super Bowl and almost won. For some, that's the only measure that matters. Not for me, but hey, you point out Rex Ryan's flaws and they'll say **** like "So? The Jets went to two AFC Championship Games in a ROW! More than that LOSER Kubiak got us!"

I don't want a coach that preaches undisciplined play. Too many games are won and lost because of penalties, turnovers, and general idiocy. Just look at the latest "Typical Patriots" win today against Cleveland.

Agree that most of the time, it's all about the perfect storm. Coaches aren't **** without players and vice versa. It usually takes an amazing combination, lightning in a bottle. Sometimes, it just clicks. Just like Andy Reid flaming out in Philadelphia. Doesn't mean he was an awful coach, as he's showing in KC now.

Whisenhunt seems to be doing pretty well in San Diego right now, with a bit of a resurgence for Philip Rivers and even Ryan Mathews looks pretty good now. He's not my top choice for coach (frankly, I don't have one) but we could do a lot worse.
 
I think Ken is getting way too much credit for Rivers and that offense in SD. You know their head coach, Mike McCoy, was HIGHLY regarded and is a great offensive mind and a former qb......I think he is the reason their offense works, not Ken.
 
Texecutioner said:
Agree with pretty much everything here, but it seems more like you are indicating that the QB is what matters most and ends up determining how well a lot of coaches do in their tenures. I've always thought that as well. On the flip side a lot of coaches end up going to bad teams without a good QB, and never end up with any luck in the draft to be able to find a really good one with any of their picks. Sometimes luck plays a big factor in what QB a HC ends up landing. Then some coaches can over achieve without a great QB, but that's a lot more rare.
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And as been stated, Whis' track record of such is horrible. Warner was already there when Whisenhunt arrived, and when Warner left, Ken's ideas of replacement were laughably bad. Derrick Anderson? Kevin Kolb? Free agents are one thing, but as you said, some coaches just have bad luck in the drafts trying to find their QB. That's the biggest reason why Ken is a total fraud. The guy completely ignored quarterback in the draft. You could think a guy who is a supposedly awesome offensive schemer would make a concerted effort to find a quarterback, but he never did. The guy's vision for talent is simply non-existent, and if the Texans are serious about taking a quarterback at 1.1, he sure as hell ain't the coach I want in the green room.

As for coaches overachieving without a great quarterback, Ken's replacement is doing just that right now in Arizona.
 
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