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Does anyone still believe in Kubiak?

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acal21

Noob
When I watched this offense all last year i was drooling over the thought of having a mobile, fast QB when Schaub would be Schaub and thought about how amazing we could be

It seems like everyones favorite QB on here is Bridgewater, so would you guys not believe that Kubiak could turn things around and make a run for a Super Bowl in the last year of his contract with a change at QB?
 
Thorn

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
A good QB would improve things. So would a good O-line. And even the best QB can't perform at their best when they are getting hit and sacked all the time.
 
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acal21

Noob
Thorn said:
A good QB would improve things. So would a good O-line. And even the best QB can't perform at their best when they are getting hit and sacked all the time.
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Im not talking about this year, this year has been a complete disaster... think about last year when we were still winning games but would slow down on offense

Obviously at 2-9 there is gonna be more than one position you have to fix

Im not sure what I'm rooting for at this point, thats all
 
Thorn

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
I'm rooting for the Texans first. But also for a new GM, coaching staff, and front office staff.
 
Marcus

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
It's not a question of "believing in Kubiak".

The season has gone to sh!t, and fans want that mental reset going into the offseason.
 
Say Watt

Say Watt

Hall of Fame
I routinely pointed out the problems with Kubiak last year and felt their were many problems with the team then, and still believe the same now. This team has underperformed under Kubiak, the last two seasons notwithstanding.
 
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acal21

Noob
Say Watt said:
I routinely pointed out the problems with Kubiak last year and felt their were many problems with the team then, and still believe the same now. This team has underperformed under Kubiak, the last two seasons notwithstanding.
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They do underperform under Kubiak and i don't think that is something that will change as the head coach of the Texans.. if he figures it out its not going to happen here in Houston
 
Norg

Norg

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I still believe in Kubes ..... yes rick smith NO


but uhh I don't think hes making a good case for himself right now esp if we lose out


Maybbbbeee myabbbeee if we win out and show we can beat dees elite teams in Denver pats and colts and wipe out ten and jags on the road then IDK but we will see
 
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acal21

Noob
I honestly think if we fixed our special teams, i would have a little bit more faith in kubiak to fix this team
 
JB

JB

Innocent Bystander
Contributor's Club
If we had one of the top running attacks in the NFL, Kubiak's offense can be potent. Doesn't change the fact that it has gotten so predictable that you can call the play beforehand and so can the defense. A better QB might change that, and fixing the offensive line would help. He's still learning to manage the game.

I think on a different team and with a different set of circumstances he may be a decent HC. But he has lost this team, and there is no going back.
 
silvrhand

silvrhand

All Pro
acal21 said:
When I watched this offense all last year i was drooling over the thought of having a mobile, fast QB when Schaub would be Schaub and thought about how amazing we could be

It seems like everyones favorite QB on here is Bridgewater, so would you guys not believe that Kubiak could turn things around and make a run for a Super Bowl in the last year of his contract with a change at QB?
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It's not just this year for many years we have seen the following:

- getting completely outcoached
- not having his team ready for big games aka primetime
- we have only beat a bad bengals team in the playoffs, see above
- not able to deliver a good QB, even though he's supposedly a great QB coach.
- sticks with players/coaches too long.
- doesn't seem willing to adjust his style to suit his players.

Now that being said Kubiak has done a lot for this team, and he's a great person, but I just think he's not head coach material and that's ok. He'll make a great position/offensive coordinator somewhere if he can learn to adjust. I just think it's time for us to move on to get to the next level.
 
badboy

badboy

Hall of Fame
I like Kubiak as well as Schaub and rooted for them but that is over. We play down to the level of competition seemingly. We can replace MS & maybe Keenum will, but not sure about who would replace Kubiak. I am not fan of ZBS or multi TE sets. It is like when I filed for divorce, didn't care what kind of life replaced the married life I had, I just wanted a change. I am beginning to lose respect for Robert McNair.
 
Corrosion

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Say Watt said:
I routinely pointed out the problems with Kubiak last year and felt their were many problems with the team then, and still believe the same now. This team has underperformed under Kubiak, the last two seasons notwithstanding.
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I don't think they underperformed .... I think Schaub's injury was a bigger deal than any of us could imagine and it significantly increased his limitations. Then throw in injuries to Cushing , OD and Foster .... along with pathetic play from the OL and this is what you get.

I think Keenum has played about as well as he possibly could under the circumstances and the defense .... even tho its given up points is still a good unit overall , proof being they are still leading the league in yardage allowed while being 2-9 , not producing turnovers and cant get off the field on 3rd downs as well as the offense constantly putting them back on the field.



There's a lot of talent on this team , its just lacking a QB , a RT and an impact player on defense other than that Watt guy be that a LBer or a DB .... Quarterback being the biggest issue , no matter who the coach is they aren't going to win many games with a broken down Schaub , TJ Yates or Keenum. (yes , Ive passed judgment on Keenum , he's not the solution)

Hard to say they underperformed given the circumstances.
 
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gtexan02

Working?
Not a chance. I would have fired Kubiak already if I was McNair. It shows a loser's mentality to keep him around.

Kubiak has had a lot of years to build a team and here we are sitting at 2-9 and getting worse every game. He has lost this team, he has lost the players, and he has lost the fans. If he sticks around next year expectations will be low and we will still probably underachieve.

Kubiak has had so many strikes against him this year it's a miracle he hasn't been kicked to the curb already:
1) Predictable playcalls that have directly contributed to interceptions and pick 6s
2) Refusing to manage our special teams, resulting in the worst kicker in the NFL and atrocious return teams
3) Benching Schaub for Yates. Then benching Yates for Keenum. Then benching Keenum for Schaub. Then benching Schaub for Keenum. Wtf?
4) Sick and needs to remain in the box during games

I hate to put #4 in there, but it's a liability now. A good coach is on the field at game time. If he isn't well enough to do that, I am very sad for him -- but reality is reality.
 
chicagotexan2

chicagotexan2

Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I believe in Kubiak less than I believe in Schaub because Kubiak still believed in Schaub. I wish it had worked out for Kubiak here especially because he's a Houstonian. I thought he was a solid HC but everything got away from him and he's crashed and burned in houston.
 
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Big Lou

Hall of Fame
I believed in Kubes too long. I wavered on him in 2010, but believed in him when the offense started rolling in 2011. He has lost this team, and Wade has lost his shine as many pointed out with his past turn arounds, I won't discuss what we call ST.

It's time for a new coach a new QB for that coach. I'd give Rick more time to see how he handles a new coach and new schemes. My only concern (my only concern, but it has to change at some point) is changing offensive schemes and the retooling of the online, although it needs to be blown up anyway.

I just hope their are coaches out there that can do what the Harbaughs have, which pains mean because I loathe the Harbaughs.
 
Txn_in_FL

Txn_in_FL

All Pro
Norg said:
Maybbbbeee myabbbeee if we win out and show we can beat dees elite teams in Denver pats and colts and wipe out ten and jags on the road then IDK but we will see
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Didn't you bring up the win-out idea in another thread?

If they win the rest of their games it will just piss me off more. Where was this team and coach capable of winning games when it mattered? Now that you're fighting for your job you decide to call good games and put a good product on the field?

Screw that.

Winning out does nothing but keep the status quo for another year.
 
WolverineFan

WolverineFan

Hall of Fame
Kubiak has a great offensive mind and was a pretty good OC at one point. But he's a horrible Head Coach. He needs to be fired although I'd like for him to remain as OC. But that's never going to happen. It's time to for him to go. His scheme has it's advantages, but he is supposed to be the HC not just the OC.
 
Lord Bills

Lord Bills

Destruction
HELL NO.

- I want a coach who trusts his quarterback to be able to fully audible at the line of scrimmage. I want a coach who has the ability to employ a no huddle offense. Its a sad situation to see in year 2013 of the nfl where your offense cant do a no huddle, cant audible and your QB cant freely change plays at the line of scrimmage.

- I want a coach who is up to date with the rest of the nfl landscape and not on some arrogant i dont need to change my system works fine the way it is mentality.

- I want a coach who holds everybody accountable. Doesnt give exemptions to special teams coaches or lousy quarterbacks.

- I want a coach who doesnt employ draconian zero tolerance policies. This is a football team, not political office or the boy scouts. I want a coach who values athletic talent over perfect behavior. I want a coach who can give his players a second chance instead of cutting the cord as soon as they make one mistake on or off the field.

-Last but not least, i want a coach with guts, a true backbone. I guy with charisma and personality. A coach who is not afraid to go for a score before halftime ends. A coach who has the courage to look at a crucial field goal. A coach who goes for the jugular, a coach who goes for the win, not playing not to lose.
 
Norg

Norg

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man right about now im feeling really depressed about my team and ya know losing sucks ....I just want this season to be over

and u know what scares me I feel our team has lost all hope maybe we are tanking maybe we are trying but we know even our best isn't good enough and maybe we are just bruised and battered

and u know what worries me is two elite teams are coming IN Denver and Pats ...and man I really hope we don't get beaten 2 bad by them I would hate to have a 40 burger layed on us


It just sucks right now
 
phantom17

phantom17

Rookie
Lord Bills said:
HELL NO.

- I want a coach who trusts his quarterback to be able to fully audible at the line of scrimmage. I want a coach who has the ability to employ a no huddle offense. Its a sad situation to see in year 2013 of the nfl where your offense cant do a no huddle, cant audible and your QB cant freely change plays at the line of scrimmage.

- I want a coach who is up to date with the rest of the nfl landscape and not on some arrogant i dont need to change my system works fine the way it is mentality.

- I want a coach who holds everybody accountable. Doesnt give exemptions to special teams coaches or lousy quarterbacks.

- I want a coach who doesnt employ draconian zero tolerance policies. This is a football team, not political office or the boy scouts. I want a coach who values athletic talent over perfect behavior. I want a coach who can give his players a second chance instead of cutting the cord as soon as they make one mistake on or off the field.

-Last but not least, i want a coach with guts, a true backbone. I guy with charisma and personality. A coach who is not afraid to go for a score before halftime ends. A coach who has the courage to look at a crucial field goal. A coach who goes for the jugular, a coach who goes for the win, not playing not to lose.
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Well said!:swatter:
 
HJam72

HJam72

Hall of Fame
That he can get back to 12-4 in a few years, yes. That he is our best chance to win a Superbowl, no.
 
IlliniJen

IlliniJen

Hall of Fame
WolverineFan said:
Kubiak has a great offensive mind and was a pretty good OC at one point. But he's a horrible Head Coach. He needs to be fired although I'd like for him to remain as OC. But that's never going to happen. It's time to for him to go. His scheme has it's advantages, but he is supposed to be the HC not just the OC.
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Can someone explain to me how he's a great offensive mind, yet utterly predictable as a play caller? How does this gel?
 
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BullNation4Life

All Pro
Still believe in him? Who really believed in him in the first place? Now granted I thought he could get it done in the first few years, but after year 4 and it was the same thing, over and over, the belief dwindled.

After 2010, the belief became a myth and it was time for him to go...
 
santo

santo

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
I want a new Gm and a new head coach. I envy the patriots, because I wish our organization was like that. Fearless and relentless. But I'm afraid the problem is the owner.
 
Exascor

Exascor

Veteran
Lord Bills said:
HELL NO.

- I want a coach who trusts his quarterback to be able to fully audible at the line of scrimmage. I want a coach who has the ability to employ a no huddle offense. Its a sad situation to see in year 2013 of the nfl where your offense cant do a no huddle, cant audible and your QB cant freely change plays at the line of scrimmage.

- I want a coach who is up to date with the rest of the nfl landscape and not on some arrogant i dont need to change my system works fine the way it is mentality.

- I want a coach who holds everybody accountable. Doesnt give exemptions to special teams coaches or lousy quarterbacks.

- I want a coach who doesnt employ draconian zero tolerance policies. This is a football team, not political office or the boy scouts. I want a coach who values athletic talent over perfect behavior. I want a coach who can give his players a second chance instead of cutting the cord as soon as they make one mistake on or off the field.

-Last but not least, i want a coach with guts, a true backbone. I guy with charisma and personality. A coach who is not afraid to go for a score before halftime ends. A coach who has the courage to look at a crucial field goal. A coach who goes for the jugular, a coach who goes for the win, not playing not to lose.
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So who hasn't had a second chance after making a mistake? Some undrafted FAs and a unmotivated draft pick? Do you know if this was their first offense? Basically, it sounds like you want a coach to fire/bench people that have performed well in the past that you see as underperforming and keep players you see as having potential but having done anything good yet. Accountability should be on a sliding scale. UDFAs have a much shorter leash that the starting QB does. So does a backup RB that fumbles or a rookie WR2 that runs the wrong routes. If you are talking about drafting players with "questionable" marks against them, would you like to go through the lists of busts of players like that? I wanted Alfonzo Dennard and would gladly have taken Juston Blackmon. We took Sam Montgomery. Look at them now. It's all risk/reward. Marciano should have been gone years ago though.

As for your other points, I agree with them for the most part. I don't think Kubiak has any "trust" issues with Schaub. He just runs the system he was taught and developed which ties into your 2nd point. The last point is also just pointing to your 2nd point. Kubiak's system gives him the odds on plays being successful and he generally follows that. That's the George Seifert way. Most people that want Kubiak gone (before this season anyways) just don't like his system. This year his (and Phillips) system has show how outdated it really is.

Time for a change. Let's hope it ends up better and not worse.
 
Double Barrel

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
Unfortunately, this 2-9 team reflects Kubiak's 8 years as head coach. I do not mean this as an insult, but 8 years into it, we should not be the worst team in the NFL.

I certainly appreciate the positives that he has achieved with this team, but I think this on-going 9 game losing streak and everything that it entails is an obvious sign that this team needs a new direction.

Hopefully, the next coach can build on the good things that Kubiak did for the franchise. Regardless of what you think about his tenure, the fact remains that this franchise never had a winning season before he arrived. And don't act like it was a "sure thing" with any coach, because the Saints first 20 years in the league proves otherwise.
 
Thorn

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Very true DB. For whatever anyone wants to say about Kubiak (including myself) he was an improvement over Capers.

Now, once again, it's time to move on. Nothing says the next coach is going to be our savior, but at least it'll be a different coach.
 
handswarmer

handswarmer

Rookie
Double Barrel said:
Unfortunately, this 2-9 team reflects Kubiak's 8 years as head coach. I do not mean this as an insult, but 8 years into it, we should not be the worst team in the NFL.

I certainly appreciate the positives that he has achieved with this team, but I think this on-going 9 game losing streak and everything that it entails is an obvious sign that this team needs a new direction.

Hopefully, the next coach can build on the good things that Kubiak did for the franchise. Regardless of what you think about his tenure, the fact remains that this franchise never had a winning season before he arrived. And don't act like it was a "sure thing" with any coach, because the Saints first 20 years in the league proves otherwise.
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Sometimes the message gets stale after a bunch of years; it did with Billick up here. Glad Jason Garret turned us down.

Sometimes its the second choice who will work harder than the 1st guy. Although working for Jerr-uh! makes it hard.....
 
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