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Lance Zerlein GOES OFF on the TEXANS!!!!!

I don't always agree with Lance but when I do......this is what it's going to take from all four corners of Houston to get Bob McNair's attention. When Bob gets his belly full of all the animosity, disdain and the demand for change from a large majority of fans, then and only then will he feel compelled to do something or face the further wrath of the fans.

That said, I understand Kubiak's move to go to Schaub, it makes sense to me. Oakland was blitzing Keenum on every down. Keenum was completing only half his passes and was on a 3 and out roll. Converting 3rd downs was not in the vocabulary. When Schaub went in Oakland stopped blitzing. That says Kubiak was on to something and the Texans were 1 yard away from winning the game.
 
You mean "Lance 'my Daddys a coach, my Daddys a coach' Zerlein goes
off on the Texans.
 
That said, I understand Kubiak's move to go to Schaub, it makes sense to me. Oakland was blitzing Keenum on every down. Keenum was completing only half his passes and was on a 3 and out roll. Converting 3rd downs was not in the vocabulary. When Schaub went in Oakland stopped blitzing. That says Kubiak was on to something and the Texans were 1 yard away from winning the game.

Have to disagree on this point though I can see where you're coming from. But Kubiak wasn't on to anything really. It was an act of desperation. Schaub has not been good against the blitz all season. We were a yard from winning but how many times have we been close to come up with nothing? How many times has Schaub drove us down the field getting yards but ended it with field goals instead? It was nothing new.

Schaub was blitzed but not initially as the Raiders had to adjust. He got blitzed on 12 throws. He completed a whopping 5 of them for 41.7 completion percentage and a rating of 61.5. And on those throws it was only an average of 5.9 yards per attempts. So no, he isn't good against the blitz and Raiders came to that conclusion so began blitzing him more.

So yeah Keenum completed half of his passes when blitzed. Schaub completed less than half.
 
That said, I understand Kubiak's move to go to Schaub, it makes sense to me. Oakland was blitzing Keenum on every down. Keenum was completing only half his passes and was on a 3 and out roll. Converting 3rd downs was not in the vocabulary. When Schaub went in Oakland stopped blitzing. That says Kubiak was on to something and the Texans were 1 yard away from winning the game.

This is true. That particular circumstance isn't so black and white.

From the postgame interview:

“What was happening was, we had to make a lot of changes from a protection standpoint to handle some of the things they were doing,” Kubiak said after the game. “Trying to create some tempo and do that. And it made it very tough on Case, in my opinion, being a young player. I knew that Matt could get done some of the things that I wanted to get done, real fast, and to give us a chance to win the football game. So that’s why I did it.”
 
http://www.sports790.com/player/?mid=23984838

Talks about Ben Tate wishy washy comment, Kubiak, decision to go back to schaub....

I agree with everything he said.

Great rant and epitomizes everything that most fans are feeling right now. :roast:

Texian said:
That says Kubiak was on to something and the Texans were 1 yard away from winning the game.

Is there a special asterisk next to the L to indicate that they were thiiiiiis close to winning the game?
 
That said, I understand Kubiak's move to go to Schaub, it makes sense to me. Oakland was blitzing Keenum on every down. Keenum was completing only half his passes and was on a 3 and out roll. .

The head coach has to take some responsibility for this. DEAL WITH THE BLITZ.

You're not going to be able to do the thing you really want to do until you deal with the blitz. Stubbornly insisting that you "want to do this" but those mean Raiders are blitzing and preventing you from your 5 step drops and your long routes is nuts.

Try some slants. Try some quick crossing patterns. Try some screen passes. Try some draws. Try some max protect. But don't just keep doing the same thing you've been doing and then blaming the QB in his 4th professional start.

This "Case can't read the blitz" stuff drives me nuts.

ALSO: The Raiders were dumb to stop blitzing. Schaub doesn't handle the blitz well either. Which suggest THE TEAM doesn't handle the blitz well. I said yesterday as soon as they dropped back in coverage, "they must not have watched much film on Schaub. Otherwise they'd keep doing what they were doing."
 
Try some slants. Try some quick crossing patterns. Try some screen passes. Try some draws. Try some max protect. But don't just keep doing the same thing you've been doing and then blaming the QB in his professional 4th start.

I have been asking this question for weeks. Does this offense even have a "max protect" package in it?

The WCO has traditionally been a blitz killer. So it is baffling why they are unable to burn a defense who is constantly sending so many defenders.
 
I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board. I have never had a problem with the X and Os of Gary's passing offense. Alex Gibbs fixed the X and Os of the running game. (now in deterioration since his departure) Kubiak's laminated sheet likely has many plays and assignments that Keenum may not be familiar with, Oline assignments Case may not know or understand. Plays Kubiak wanted to go to to get them out of the 3 and out rut but didn't want to put Case in a psoition to fail. I still trust Kubiak as an OC more than anyone here.

That said I don't have the same confidence in Kubiak's X and Os for the Defense, or Special Teams, the X and Os of Salary Cap Management, X and Os of talent evaluation and the X and Os of the NFL Draft Prep and Operation.
 
I have been asking this question for weeks. Does this offense even have a "max protect" package in it?

The WCO has traditionally been a blitz killer. So it is baffling why they are unable to burn a defense who is constantly sending so many defenders.

We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.
 
We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.

Hmmm ....

Eagles defensive end Fletcher Cox, who pressured Griffin into a game-ending interception, told CSNPhilly.com that Washington’s tendencies on offense were predictable enough that he was able to say what they were doing on some plays before they snapped the ball.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...her-cox-rg3-is-right-we-knew-what-was-coming/
 
I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board. I have never had a problem with the X and Os of Gary's passing offense.
I think it's safe to say that every Defensive Coordinator this team has faced this season has had a better grasp of the weaknesses in Kubiak's system. :kitten:
 
I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board.

I don't think anyone doubts this. So much so that it need not even be said nor is it relevant.

We are talking about decision-making here. Not knowledge of Xs and Os.

If you want fans to have no opinions and blow off talking about football because, "they know more than me" I am pretty confident you are in the wrong place.
 
Couldn't agree more with LZ here. I don't care if you like him or not, he's 100% dead-on.
 
We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.


its ok guys, keenum was able to fake spike it. our offensive system is up to date according to some posters here.

what has shanahan really done ever since john elway retired? even his jake plummer led broncos were completely dominated in the playoffs.

Sound familiar?

Its been a long time since those elway bronco glory days. The NFL has evolved. Kubiak and shanhan refuse to because their "system" is a big selling point for their resume and future job status.

They will never admit that their philosophy/system is outdated and needs to adjust and evolve with the times. Same thing with wade and his D. His track record of fixing defenses then totally cratering off the cliff after the first couple years is well documented.

You need an up to date coach who is open minded to the new approaches to the game. Kubiak and wade philipps is from the old school generation where its their way or the highway. They look down on new methods because its a threat to how they do things in their time.

That's the sign of a hard headed arrogant head coach who doesnt like to evolve with the times. You can see it with our restrictive audible system and the lack of the no huddle.

The complete opposite would be bill belicheck, who even in all of his glory found a way to update and evolve with the times when he instituted parts of chip kelly's fast no huddle offense.

One coach has multiple superbowl rings and found a way to evolve and improve with the times, while one coach who has really not done anything of note as a head coach stays close minded, arrogant refusing to change with the times.
 
Yes there is, it says, "I feel your pain".

Yeah, I think as a fan base we collectively feel the pain. For many of us old Houston football fans, it has a weird familiarity about it, too.

Unfortunately, it often gets taken out on each other. Even when people are in agreement they take exception to minor details.

I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board. I have never had a problem with the X and Os Gary's passing offense. Alex Gibbs fixed the X and Os of the running game. (now in deterioration since his departure) Kubiak's laminated sheet likely has many plays and assignments that Keenum may not be familiar with, O Oline assignments Case may not know or understand. Plays Kubiak wanted to go to to get them out of the 3 and out rut. I still trust Kubiak as an OC more than anyone here.

That said I don't have the same confidence in Kubiak's X and Os for the Defense, or Special Teams, the X and Os of Salary Cap Management, X and Os of talent evaluation and the X and Os the NFL Draft Prep and Operation.

I generally agree about Kubiak's offensive acumen. I have often pointed out Shanahan's admittance that Denver won back-to-back Super Bowls with Kubiak calling plays for both seasons.

However, that said, schemes need to evolve. They need to adapt to the talent available and adjust to different defenses every week. It often feels like Kubiak has that sort of old school Lombardi attitude that "this is what we do and if we execute well nobody can beat us".

I think Kubiak doomed himself with undying loyalty to his QB. I won't put it all on Matt, but dude never had a challenger for his job since he arrived here. And there is absolutely no doubt that the QB is crucial to a team's success from year to year more than any other position. The FO failure to put the best o-line out there to protect an immobile QB did him no favors. And expecting Schaub to consistently be clutch for wins is foolish. He's just not that kind of QB. He's done it from time to time, but he's far from a Captain Comeback guy.

We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.

I often wonder this season if Schaub's two 4000 yard seasons ultimately became a blueprint for both sides. A blueprint for Kubiak to believe that we just need to keep doing it, and a blueprint for opposing defenses to study and figure it out.

Richard Sherman said it was easy to figure out based on film he watched, not just from this season but from past seasons, as well. He timed it perfect based on tendencies that he saw consistently repeated from year to year. He did not say it in a demeaning way, but rather a very analytical way.
 
I think it's safe to say that every Defensive Coordinator this team has faced this season has had a better grasp of the weaknesses in Kubiak's system. :kitten:

some of that may have to do with the Texans are not the same team of 2011 and have taken a step back every since instead of a step forward.
 
I don't think anyone doubts this. So much so that it need not even be said nor is it relevant.

We are talking about decision-making here. Not knowledge of Xs and Os.

If you want fans to have no opinions and blow off talking about football because, "they know more than me" I am pretty confident you are in the wrong place.

where is the incense?
 
from the audio file said:
that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard someone say

this guy doesn't know enough stupid people if that is the stupidest thing he has ever heard
 
case is like 0-4 jus saying im all about WINS

what if case goes 0-10 then obvs Him and matt both suck

It's not all about wins. Schaub is done here so there is no reason to continue to play him. Keenum is young and could be the future QB. I would like to see Keenum audition for the job for next year and benching him vs. Oakland took away from that.
 
You know, I get a feeling that when a team is on a good run, it's weaknesses can be masked, if it runs into another good team on an off day, those weaknesses can be made clear to all and sundry.

We ran into New England high on self importance and got destroyed first time round. When we then got destroyed again second time round it essentially made the penny drop for opposing teams.

All of a sudden anyone is able to pick us apart. Wait till the second half and blitz us silly with your D, and move people around at the line to take advantage of our man coverage and isolate players in bad matchups, whilst waiting for the D to become gassed.

It's a simple formula that it took a good team to highlight on a bad day for ourselves, but it just completely debunked both sides of the ball for us.

Once the rest of the league has your number on tape, you are finished unless to adapt quickly. Neither side of the ball is willing or capable of adjusting quickly enough to throw them off the scent.

Talk all you want about not knowing the Xs and Os as well as the coaches, because the opposing coaches do know the Xs and Os every bit as well as them and it has been revealed how to overwhelm our scheme.

We lose the game in exactly the same way now week in and week out, it's a simple exploit that has proven to be our undoing, it just took 2 years before it got shown for all the world by the Pats.
 
norg, just stop. please stop.

:mariopalm:

you are losing what little cred you have by the minute.

You have to read into what Norg says. Notice he capitalized the H in "Him" when referring to Case Keenum. This suggests Norg secretly believes Keenum is the savior of this franchise.

He says Case is LIKE 0-4, meaning he isn't really 0-4. Just like it. That means there's a chance he could be 1-3, or 2-2. We don't know, but if we pay more attention to the nuances, we might decode the message.

Norg presents a scenario where Case could POSSIBLY go 0-10, but there's an unusual amount of space after that. Remember, it's a scenario and all a trick. The capital H in "Him" and the "obvs" that precedes it suggests this would never happen.

And Matt Schaub sucks.

case is like 0-4 jus saying im all about WINS

what if case goes 0-10 then obvs Him and matt both suck
 
im jus saying some of yall need to take them couger Shades off yall think Case is the best thing since Sliced Bread not from the games ive been watchin
 
im jus saying some of yall need to take them couger Shades off yall think Case is the best thing since Sliced Bread not from the games ive been watchin

I don't think that's it at all , I think Case makes it more fun to watch . Schaub is an old movie we've seen a dozen times .
 
I don't think that's it at all , I think Case makes it more fun to watch . Schaub is an old movie we've seen a dozen times .

exactly.... and since we were losing anyways it might as well be fun to watch, plus its not like we were getting blown out with keenum at QB
 
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