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Firing an NFL coach in midseason - it's likely to happen in 2013

Tolar's Ghost

Tolar's Ghost

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Interesting piece about firing head coaches in midseason that ran on nfl.com a year ago.

It's happened 22 times from 2000 through 2012. In only three years - 2002, '06 and '12 - were there no firings. And in two seasons, 2010 and '11, it happened seven times. So, obviously, these days owners are less reluctant to pull the plug:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...irings-are-last-resort-for-nfl-decisionmakers

Given all this, and that no coaches were fired during last season, the law of averages is that it will happen at least once this year. And probably in Houston, Atlanta or Minnesota. Winning two straight might save Schiano in Tampa, and being a first-year coach will get Bradley a pass in Jacksonville - even if he loses to the Texans next week.
 
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Why not leave the door open for the new regime and give them a early start



But who is out there is the new regime even out there are do we waste 6 weeks on Scrub coaches

I wish the new regime was already rdy to give them a 6 week head start plus 2 months of playoffs


But if kubes goes I think Rick smith needs to go has well we need to hit the reset Button
 
Doubtful. Kubiak's seat wasn't hot going into the season. Despite the FO's frustration with him this year, they have too much respect for him to not give him a dignified exit. The only way he gets fired mid season is if the players give up on him, and that's also doubtful since they love him. The midseason stroke also reduces the odds.
 
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If a head coach gets fired midseason teams usually promote an interim guy from the staff. The firing can also spark a little resurgence and almost 2 out of 5 interim guys keep the job.

If Kubiak gets fired before the end of the year Phillips takes over.

I don't want a 2014 with him leading us. Wait until January & get an entire new FO and coaching staff.
 
Does it really matter? Firing midseason vs after the season doesn't seem to have much impact. It's just easier to clean house after season is over.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
If a head coach gets fired midseason teams usually promote an interim guy from the staff. The firing can also spark a little resurgence and almost 2 out of 5 interim guys keep the job.

If Kubiak gets fired before the end of the year Phillips takes over.

I don't want a 2014 with him leading us. Wait until January & get an entire new FO and coaching staff.
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I don't want Phillips either.
 
the only thing firing gary does now is send a message to the team and show potential head coaches, were available

but you have to stand strong by not keeping the interim coach no matter what happens
 
I'm probably in the minority, but I think suffering the stroke makes it easier to let Kubiak go.

McNair can say it was a "mutual decision" and "will allow Gary to focus on regaining his full health." Something like that.

I think that's how it'll happen, and after today's game will happen before the season ends. Like this week or next.
 
I don't want Wade to be the next coach either. I think if that happens there is a chance we keep the same offensive staff, and that does nothing to fix the problems on this team.

I also want Rick Smith gone too. I think hiring a real GM and letting him hire a head coach to implement his philosophy if the way we need to go moving forward.
 
If they pull the trigger now and avoid any dithering around then maybe they can find someone new as soon as the season is over.

Do not want Wade. He's failed as a head coach multiple times and there really isn't any reason to believe this team would be any better.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
I'm probably in the minority, but I think suffering the stroke makes it easier to let Kubiak go.

McNair can say it was a "mutual decision" and "will allow Gary to focus on regaining his full health." Something like that.

I think that's how it'll happen, and after today's game will happen before the season ends. Like this week or next.
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I think this is right on.

I think it is WAY out of character for McNair to fire midseason, but it would also not surprise me to wake up tomorrow and find out it happened.

This year, and Kubiak's game today were that bad.
 
Brisco_County said:
Doubtful. Kubiak's seat wasn't hot going into the season. Despite the FO's frustration with him this year, they have too much respect for him to not give him a dignified exit. The only way he gets fired mid season is if the players give up on him, and that's also doubtful since they love him. The midseason stroke also reduces the odds.
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Uh, did you see what Andre did during the game? The players are done with this guy.


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infantrycak said:
Not sure how 16 teams having done it over a 13 year time period translates to likely.

Why do it?
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I'm not advocating it, but what happened today was a bit bizarre. It no doubt further divided the team, atleast somewhat. I don't want this locker room completely melting down.
 
but if we clean house now it shows to the COaches out there now "Hey we are open for biz nis NOW HIRING "

it will make us the Number #1 spot for coaches to be at
 
DX-TEX said:
Not exactly the same. VY was a potential circus. This circus we are currently in was not expected.
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Please. Potential circus had nothing to do with not drafting VY. McNair resisted the clamor for the hometown and state hero based on football reasons such as whether his game would translate to the NFL, his ability to learn an NFL playbook, the fact they had pushed a big stack of chips in on Carr exercising his buyback option 2 months earlier, etc.
 
The only scenario where I can see a change in 2013 is if McNair goes to Kubiak sometime in December and tells Gary he has decided to go in another direction along with the offer that Kubiak can finish out the season. Under the circumstances Gary says it best if he takes his leave from the team at that time. This is not college where there is a recruiting deadline the first Wednesday in February. There really is no advantage to firing an NFL coach mid season. You can't talk to perspective coaches who are currently coaching. There will be other head coaches fired and good position coaches who will become available after the season, not before. It just doesn't make any sense, the damage is done.
 
What Kubiak did today was to turn the entire locker room against him. He totally destroyed what little morale that was left. Its completely unexcusable. Kube, Smith and Schaub need to clean out their lockers by end of day on Monday.

Wade is not the answer. There are some winners out there that might be able to turn this debacle around. It will have to be someone with a "take charge" personality.

Very sad day for Texans wherever we are.
 
infantrycak said:
Please. Potential circus had nothing to do with not drafting VY. McNair resisted the clamor for the hometown and state hero based on football reasons such as whether his game would translate to the NFL, his ability to learn an NFL playbook, the fact they had pushed a big stack of chips in on Carr exercising his buyback option 2 months earlier, etc.
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VY has nothing to do with the state of the current circus. You introduced VY into the current conversation.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
I'm probably in the minority, but I think suffering the stroke makes it easier to let Kubiak go.

McNair can say it was a "mutual decision" and "will allow Gary to focus on regaining his full health." Something like that.

I think that's how it'll happen, and after today's game will happen before the season ends. Like this week or next.
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I predict it won't happen during the season. With our luck, it might not happen at all. Or they hire Wade Phillips, almost as bad.
 
I can see why they might go the Wade Phillips route cuz his dad and kinda him are so loved in HOuston
 
Norg said:
I can see why they might go the Wade Phillips route cuz his dad and kinda him are so loved in HOuston
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Could be the WORST THING EVER. Unless they hire some young hotshot to be OC

Wade would probably hire his son...
 
Who are candidates?

Inb4 cowher

I mean real actual viable candidates. College standouts or current OC/DC? What about Kyle Shanahan? I don't know much except when he was here this offense was well oiled.
 
Chucky


uhhh I wouldn't mind the coach from Alabama LOL


the coach from Texas A&M but we kinda aleady went that route with kubes lol
 
DocBar said:
VY has nothing to do with the state of the current circus. You introduced VY into the current conversation.
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Damn you caught me introducing a dead on point example in response to the assertion made which was:

DX-TEX said:
Bob is all about public perception.
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VY is the best example we have of how McNair responds to public perception on how his team should be run.
 
htownfan32 said:
Who are candidates?

Inb4 cowher

I mean real actual viable candidates. College standouts or current OC/DC? What about Kyle Shanahan? I don't know much except when he was here this offense was well oiled.
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Lovie Smith - doesn't have a current job.
Kevin Sumlin - has been rumored by people with delusional problems
Cowher - as listed by fans who apparently think spending close to a decade away from the game will give him some sort of high powers
Gruden - I think he and Cowher are pretty similar in that they are probably destined to remain on TV like Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy


I don't know about any execs though for the GM position and I believe if a full house cleanings happens (Right now, I'd say it's not) I think exec gets filled first and works it's way top down.
 
b0ng said:
Lovie Smith - doesn't have a current job.
Kevin Sumlin - has been rumored by people with delusional problems
Cowher - as listed by fans who apparently think spending close to a decade away from the game will give him some sort of high powers
Gruden - I think he and Cowher are pretty similar in that they are probably destined to remain on TV like Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy


I don't know about any execs though for the GM position and I believe if a full house cleanings happens (Right now, I'd say it's not) I think exec gets filled first and works it's way top down.
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yep, we need a new GM and trust him with the HC hire.

cannot make the same mistake twice (HC before GM).
 
b0ng said:
Cowher - as listed by fans who apparently think spending close to a decade away from the game will give him some sort of high powers
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As much as I would like him as a coach I don't think Cowher is a reality. Didn't Joe Gibbs come back after a long time out and it was a complete disaster. At some point the game passes you by, especially if you aren't dealing with it day in and day out.
 
Txn_in_Oki said:
As much as I would like him as a coach I don't think Cowher is a reality. Didn't Joe Gibbs come back after a long time out and it was a complete disaster. At some point the game passes you by, especially if you aren't dealing with it day in and day out.
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It's funny how for some the game passes them by while they are "retired" and doing other things. Even broadcasting.

We have a situation here where the game has passed our current staff by and they've been coaching the whole time. How bad are they really? Imagine if Kubiak took a couple of years off? Crazy.
 
Am I the only one that keeps constantly refreshing the page hoping to see a "Kubiak fired" thread?
 
Txn_in_Oki said:
As much as I would like him as a coach I don't think Cowher is a reality. Didn't Joe Gibbs come back after a long time out and it was a complete disaster...
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I don't think Cowher would come here. But not because the game has passed him by. Far from it. I think he simply likes living in New York. And I can't see his semi-rock-star girlfriend moving here.

Not sure about Gibbs' timeline, but Dick Vermeil came back after 16 years away and coached the Rams to a Super Bowl title (over the Titans)...
 
Cowher is going to probably want full control to come out of retirement. I don't like that idea because he has never made personnel decisions before.
 
I want Kubiak & Co. gone, but not in a way that tarnishes the franchise.

Two things I have never cared for in that regard: Firing a head coach after a playoff season, and firing a head coach during the middle of a season.

Cases can probably be made for both (like Dungy bing fired from Tampa), but, I'd say more often than not, it is a classless move by an owner. JMO
 
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