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Texans Wont Draft Bush

UGA

UGA

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Like fools we will trade down for proper "value".

We will be like the team that drafted Bowie and passed on Jordan because of "need".

There is no trade that gives proper value for Bush, and trying to figure out scenarios not to draft him are ridiculous.

The Texans will screw it up...

TTT for the Davis/Bush combo
 
You are making no sense. We are drafting a player we dont NEED. Some people want him but they arent looking at the whole picture. DD has been what a top 12-13 runner in the past couple of years with a decent-average O-line. Plus Bush doesnt like to run between the tackles and the 1st time a dwight freeney or Robert Mathis, henderson.. ect gets a free shot on him with our O-line its going to be horrible. Plus he mostly plays the Pac-10. The talent out their isnt as good as the SEC, or Big 12. We will see how he does when they play Texas. Texas' D will lay some hits on him. Plus anyways what good is a RB to be an extra weapon if your QB is on his @ss all the time. Drafting him makes no sense what so ever. We would be better off trading down taking an OL, CB to be opposite Dunta. TE will come in 2nd or 3rd round. You dont waste the 1st pick in the draft on a player you dont need. We have dire needs at OL, CB, TE, DB's please look at the overall picture not with tunnel vision
 
Hey, we've got three games to go! There is no guarantee that we'll even have the no. 1 pick.

This season could still mathematically end at 4-12, and we'd be down the list a bit. And honestly, I'd like to beat the Jaguars on Christmas Eve, especially if it means we are spoilers once again and prevent them from getting into the playoffs. :heh:
 
If you go listen to the John McClain show he has talked to 5 or so scouts he really respects and he says the Texans would be absolute fools not to take Bush. Thinks he is the reincarnation of Gayle Sayers. Yes, and there was Cedric Benson too.........
 
If we do draft Bush and we dont sign any FA O-lineman. We will be picking in the top 5 again next year with lower attendance. It wont accomplish anything
 
How are all you guys so sure what we will do or what we won't do? Nobody here even knows who the Coach and GM will be....how the heck are we supposed to know what they will be thinking when the draft rolls around?
 
royce1054 said:
You are making no sense. We are drafting a player we dont NEED.
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And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD
 
royce1054 said:
If we do draft Bush and we dont sign any FA O-lineman. We will be picking in the top 5 again next year with lower attendance. It wont accomplish anything
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we will be frced to address the line because for years now Casserly has not. with Bush, Davis and Carr we will have to address the line via later picks and FA.

but that has nothing to do with us trying to talk our way out of picking one of the best talents to come down the pipe in years.
 
UGA said:
And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD
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This isnt basketball. In that sport you can get away with drafting the best player and letting him throw a ball at a hoop. Football takes 10X as much teamwork to work. If each player doesnt do his job then some either gets hurt. Basketball someone messes up a play they miss the bucket o who cares. Stop comparing an A sport like football to a C sport in basketball
 
Bush is not a better prospect than either Manning or even Phillip Rivers. So how could he be the best prospect in years. A franchise QB is so much more important than a RB.
 
Coach C. said:
Bush is not a better prospect than either Manning or even Phillip Rivers. So how could he be the best prospect in years. A franchise QB is so much more important than a RB.
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That is a true statement i think the average lifespan of a RB is what 4-4.5 years...
 
Vinny said:
How are all you guys so sure what we will do or what we won't do? Nobody here even knows who the Coach and GM will be....how the heck are we supposed to know what they will be thinking when the draft rolls around?
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Well the owner stated in the Justice article that he we didnt "need" help at RB. And while theoretically he is correct, it would be a huge blunder to pass on this guy.

If Casserly is around i garuntee we will pass on him. He'd trade down and "project" another Pitts or Babin as world burners. He's crushed this franchise and he will do so by passing on Bush.

The bottom line is i dont trust anyone in the Texans organization, and i sense that we will make a gigantic blunder in the draft by avoiding Bush for "value" and "need".

As if "need" was ever a concern for this organization. Check our offensive line and our "attempts" to improve it and explain our excellent record going for "need" over raw talent.

Bush or bust. We are sitting on a winning lottery ticket...
 
Coach C. said:
Bush is not a better prospect than either Manning or even Phillip Rivers. So how could he be the best prospect in years. A franchise QB is so much more important than a RB.
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Bush isnt a better prospect then Phillip Rivers? Give me a break. Bush is said to be the re-incarnate of Gayle Sayers...
 
royce1054 said:
This isnt basketball. In that sport you can get away with drafting the best player and letting him throw a ball at a hoop. Football takes 10X as much teamwork to work. If each player doesnt do his job then some either gets hurt. Basketball someone messes up a play they miss the bucket o who cares. Stop comparing an A sport like football to a C sport in basketball
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Its an analogy...obviously the two sports are different.

But youll go much further as a football team getting the most talent you can. The Texans are the most stale team in the league. We need raw talent and skill. Bush is bar none the best college football player in the country and we have to take the best player available. We are so horrible that we cannot afford to pass on undeniable talent for "value" or "need".

Face it, we are in another rebulding phase for at least 2 years... we dont need to patch up this gang of no hopers, we need to dump a third of the team and build around Bush, Carr, Johnson and Davis. (ie...SIGN A COUPLE LINEMAN WITH A PULSE).
 
UGA said:
Bush isnt a better prospect then Phillip Rivers? Give me a break. Bush is said to be the re-incarnate of Gayle Sayers...
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no 1 knows that til he is on field. He could be a Kajana Carter or a Blair Thomas
 
UGA said:
And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD
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Not to be picky, but it was the Portland Trailblazers that passed on Jordan to draft Bowie. That being said, we should draft Bush!
 
royce1054 said:
no 1 knows that til he is on field. He could be a Kajana Carter or a Blair Thomas
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So your going to pass the best talent in years because your afraid? Come on now, the dude has serious pedigree to be a success, and trying to talk yourself out of him as a player is ridiculous. If your afraid he is going to fail, then you must be trembling about anyone else since they arent perceived as anywhere near the talent as Bush.

If your "value" or "need" plays can be busts then that only further reinforces why you have to take the best of the lot and live with the outcome. Dont fail going for second best types...
 
UGA said:
So your going to pass the best talent in years because your afraid? Come on now, the dude has serious pedigree to be a success, and trying to talk yourself out of him as a player is ridiculous. If your afraid he is going to fail, then you must be trembling about anyone else since they arent perceived as anywhere near the talent as Bush.

If your "value" or "need" plays can be busts then that only further reinforces why you have to take the best of the lot and live with the outcome. Dont fail going for second best types...
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No i am passing on a talent we dont need and we can get multiple picks back. Possibly a 1st next year. We dont need a RB we have a good RB. We need other positions to help protect Carr. If Carr wasnt on his @ss the whole time we wouldnt be having this conversation. We need to upgrade our O-line nto worry about a player we dont need. Plus this is going to be Dan Reeves drafting not Casserly and Reeves makes better picks that will actually help us. If we wanted Bush we could of just let Casserly draft
 
royce1054 said:
No i am passing on a talent we dont need and we can get multiple picks back. Possibly a 1st next year.
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Who cares about a first NEXT year we we have a ringer 1sr round selection THIS year?

royce1054 said:
We dont need a RB we have a good RB.
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We have an above average RB, not a great back. With Bush and Davis we will have a hell of a one two punch. Plus Bush does so many more things then Davis. He is a stud on special teams, can play in the slot....

royce1054 said:
We need other positions to help protect Carr.
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We can address the line with our other 6 picks and free agency. We dont have to pass on a playmaker just because casserly has ignored the line.

royce1054 said:
If we wanted Bush we could of just let Casserly draft
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Casserly would pass on Bush. And Casserly is responsible for this mess of a team...

royce1054 said:
Plus this is going to be Dan Reeves drafting not Casserly and Reeves makes better picks that will actually help us.
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Reeves put his entire future on the line in ATL to move up for Vick. He understands you need playmakers, he isnt a "value" drafter. They could have drafted Tomlinson and gained picks to do so... they opted against it.

If you think Bush doesnt help us, your crazy. trading down to get second tier types helps nobody.
 
Well first of all you have it wrong. Davis is not decent he is good. Its the protection we get for Carr in the passing game that adds that 8th man in the box and the lack of a TE that makes DD rushing yards look worse than they really should be. I can tell you dont know what you are talking about. I see you just go with what you see an hear on the radio and TV which are 90-95% wrong. Do some research and then come back and give some points. Its not just about this year its about the years in the future too. To be honest minus 1 possible tank, 2 referee mess ups and, 1 horrible defensive stand we could have 5 wins now. So if we can trade down and get an advantage off of this for this year and next year thats just 2+2. Not only could we trade down to the Jets or SF but then there is a possibility that we could trade down again. Reeves will come up with something to bring in his own players and better 2,3,4 ect talent. Then we package some of those picks we get and we trade back in the 1st round or early 2nd and pick up maybe a Huff, Giles, Davis. Dont have tunnel vision here which is what you have. Do some research then come back and chat here.
 
Just because a guy is amazing in college does not mean he will be a star in the NFL. A few examples at RB are Kijana Carter(1st overall), Blair Thomas(2nd overall), Lawrence Philips(6th overall), Alonzo Highsmith(3rd overall), Brent Fullwood(4th overall), Curtis Enis(5th overall) and I would even through in Archie Griffin(24 overall). The NFL and the NCAA game are totally different.
 
Man I am not even going to imply that Reggie Bush is not a tremendous talent. He is, he is fast, quick, and a stand up guy. He will also command 50+ million and cost us a good RB in Davis. Not to mention he changes the complete dynamic of the team. Bush you cant run 20 times to bang it in there. The fact is if we get Bush we need to get a power back in order to get first downs. Think about the NFL and the amount of 40+ yd runs. Is Bush really that necessary. I hope SF gets him and he has a good career. As good as a small back such as him can have. At first I compared him to Brian Westbrook, but now that I have watched more film he will be similar to Tiki Barber. That is a damn good back, not a HOF, but damn good. Personally I dont pay Tiki 50+ when my team has holes that I can fill with top talent instead of 4-6th round talent.
 
Hey the thing about Bush being to small he is the same size or bigger than Tiki Barber and Warrick Dunn ... both have over 1000 yards this season. Davis has a tradable contract and he has injury concerns.
 
UGA said:
Its an analogy...obviously the two sports are different.

But youll go much further as a football team getting the most talent you can. The Texans are the most stale team in the league. We need raw talent and skill. Bush is bar none the best college football player in the country and we have to take the best player available. We are so horrible that we cannot afford to pass on undeniable talent for "value" or "need".

Face it, we are in another rebulding phase for at least 2 years... we dont need to patch up this gang of no hopers, we need to dump a third of the team and build around Bush, Carr, Johnson and Davis. (ie...SIGN A COUPLE LINEMAN WITH A PULSE).
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This team is leading the NFL is sacks allowed for the 4th year in a row. We have existed as an NFL franchise for 4 years. If you truly want to dump a third of the team, as you suggest, the best place to find replacements is in the draft. If we are smart with the way we use our 1st overall pick, assuming we get it, we could end up with a pick in the 3-5 range, the 33rd pick, then depending on who we trade with another top 5 pick in the second round. That gives us 3 1st day picks, all of them in the top 37. Then we should get another 3rd round pick, giving us 3 rd rounders. All of them also in the top 5. This means that of the first 96 picks in the draft, we will have 6, all of them in the top 5 of their respective rounds. We should also get an extra 1st rouder for next season, depending on the competiton for Bush.

So, you could end up with D'Brick, Davin Josheph, Michael Huff, Tim Day, DeMario Minter along with 5 others... or you could have Reggie Bush with no guarantees at the players listed above. One player, no matter how good, is going to make a 1-15 team good.. no matter how good he is
 
jacquescas said:
Hey the thing about Bush being to small he is the same size or bigger than Tiki Barber and Warrick Dunn ... both have over 1000 yards this season. Davis has a tradable contract and he has injury concerns.
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If we had the O-line of NYG then i would say go for it but we dont. Plus if we had a shockey or a crumpler then it might work
 
UGA said:
And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD
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In basketball you only have 5 players on the court at once, in football there are 11. We are not a good enough team right now to use the 1st overall pick, if we get it, on a potential NFL superstar, and think he can turn a 1-12 team into a 12-1 team. And you say take the best talent period, so hypothetically speaking if Leinhart was the best talent in this year's draft are you saying we should draft him?
 
UGA said:
We have an above average RB, not a great back. With Bush and Davis we will have a hell of a one two punch. Plus Bush does so many more things then Davis. He is a stud on special teams, can play in the slot....
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If we had an average or above average O-Line DD would be a great RB and not just above average. and we dont need a PR/KR

UGA said:
We can address the line with our other 6 picks and free agency. We dont have to pass on a playmaker just because casserly has ignored the line.
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Havent we tried this the last 2 or 3 years..we need a #1 O-Lineman (D'Brickashaw Ferguson), we should have gotten Alex Baron last year and NOT Travis Johnson

UGA said:
If you think Bush doesnt help us, your crazy. trading down to get second tier types helps nobody.
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It helps David Carr, the most important player on the offense, why put Bush behind this O-Line with 4th and 5th round O-lineman, it would only ruin his career like its doing to Carr, Johnson, Davis and Gaffney. Peyton Manning or L.T. could not work behind this line. Sorry but I just cant understand how people are so quick to discard DD after what he's done this year behind a O-line full of high schoolers.
I think they should trade down for Bush, draft D'Brickashaw Ferguson and then a LB or CB then pick up LaCharles Bently and Steve Hutchinson from free agency. :twocents:
 
UGA said:
Face it, we are in another rebulding phase for at least 2 years... we dont need to patch up this gang of no hopers, we need to dump a third of the team and build around Bush, Carr, Johnson and Davis. (ie...SIGN A COUPLE LINEMAN WITH A PULSE).
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AJ, Bush, and Carr .... we'd have "The big 2.3" ... Superbowl, here we come!
 
JackDizzle said:
AJ, Bush, and Carr .... we'd have "The big 2.3" ... Superbowl, here we come!
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have you not read a single passage in this thread. those 3 or any other 3 cant do anything with out protection in the passing game from the O-line and a capable TE who can pass block and run block to take the extra man out of the box then you will realize that we dont need BUSH.. I MEAN PLS come on
 
I keep seeing "We can get top lineman in FA". If so, just exactly WHO are these guys and I don't mean just any old duffus with a pulse, but REAL SOLID top level guys who will LIKELY not be resigned by their own teams? Just because they are UFAs doesn't mean they are REALLY available. Their own teams typically sign their own FA lineman. So, if there are so many and it's so easy to get them we need to be sure about it so, EXACTLY who are they? If we are to jump out on a limb by drafting just a talent, then we nee to be very sure what we are counting on is actually there and not just some sort of wish/dream by the Bushwacker group. If we can in fact get guys, have them on board prior to the draft, then, yes we should pick Bush, but if we are thinking 3 & 4th round talent will ALL work, then that would be delusional on our part. Some might, but most won't and will be backup talent or worse.
 
EDo the top FA lineman would be Lecharles Bentley and Steve Hutchinson, they are both interior lineman. There are some serviceable tackles, but none of them would be much better than wade or weigert playing the position except maybe Jeff Brackus. I would assume that these are the guys that the Bush people want us to sign. I doubt we have a chance at Hutchinson, Bentley may opt to move on, but he will likely want to go to a contender. Brackus would also want to go to a contender if he does not resign.
 
the Texans strayed last year from taking the BPA, traded down and drafted for need. I don't mind trading down as long they draft the BPA. if you only could build a team through the draft it would take a long, long time, thats why there are trades and free agency. when it comes to the draft you have to take the best talent available to increase your teams overall ability.

Bush is the BPA in the draft.........I don't trust the Texans to trade down and still get the BPA, no thanks just draft Bush :rolleyes:
 
texan279 said:
In basketball you only have 5 players on the court at once, in football there are 11. We are not a good enough team right now to use the 1st overall pick, if we get it, on a potential NFL superstar, and think he can turn a 1-12 team into a 12-1 team. And you say take the best talent period, so hypothetically speaking if Leinhart was the best talent in this year's draft are you saying we should draft him?
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Lienert is not the best talent available in this draft, Bush is. Lienert is the best QB in this draft and will probably be a project like Carson Palmer was. The reality is before the end of the season and the Rose Bowl, Reggie Bush is the man. He will not turn us around alone, but will be one of the top contributers to a turnaround. Any lineman this year will take seasoning to make him a starter in whatever rnd you take them. The way I see it is you take Bush and other positions later(linemen,defense,etc..) or you trade top pick to take a player a few spots above our second round pick (linemen,defense,etc..) then we grab weaker skill position players toward the end of the draft? I think it would be better to take top guy and go with the plan to get linemen and defense later, along with free agents( if their will not be many good linemen in free agency then pick up some good Defense their and concentrate the rest of the draft on o-line,TE, etc..) Some Good players are are going to be out there at several positions in free agency. I always see the top guys go quick though and hopefully our guys are ready to go by then coaching and GM wise or the draft might be our only hope.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
If you go listen to the John McClain show he has talked to 5 or so scouts he really respects and he says the Texans would be absolute fools not to take Bush. Thinks he is the reincarnation of Gayle Sayers. Yes, and there was Cedric Benson too.........
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From personal experience I'd say John McClain is a fool.
 
texplayer2 said:
Lienert is not the best talent available in this draft, Bush is. Lienert is the best QB in this draft and will probably be a project like Carson Palmer was. The reality is before the end of the season and the Rose Bowl, Reggie Bush is the man. He will not turn us around alone, but will be one of the top contributers to a turnaround. Any lineman this year will take seasoning to make him a starter in whatever rnd you take them. The way I see it is you take Bush and other positions later(linemen,defense,etc..) or you trade top pick to take a player a few spots above our second round pick (linemen,defense,etc..) then we grab weaker skill position players toward the end of the draft? I think it would be better to take top guy and go with the plan to get linemen and defense later, along with free agents( if their will not be many good linemen in free agency then pick up some good Defense their and concentrate the rest of the draft on o-line,TE, etc..) Some Good players are are going to be out there at several positions in free agency. I always see the top guys go quick though and hopefully our guys are ready to go by then coaching and GM wise or the draft might be our only hope.
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Read my post again, I said hypothetically speaking IF Leinhart was the best talent in the draft should we pick him IF we ended up with the 1st pick...
 
UGA said:
Its an analogy...obviously the two sports are different.

But youll go much further as a football team getting the most talent you can. The Texans are the most stale team in the league. We need raw talent and skill. Bush is bar none the best college football player in the country and we have to take the best player available. We are so horrible that we cannot afford to pass on undeniable talent for "value" or "need".

Face it, we are in another rebulding phase for at least 2 years... we dont need to patch up this gang of no hopers, we need to dump a third of the team and build around Bush, Carr, Johnson and Davis. (ie...SIGN A COUPLE LINEMAN WITH A PULSE).
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Excellent point which is precisely why we'll trade down in the draft. We can pick up 4+ starting-quality players at positions that we actually need help in exchange for getting Bush, not to mention we'll pay all of them less total money than we'd have to pay Bush. How is dumping 1/3 of a team that is already lousy and then not filling any of those positions going to help us? There are two decent OL in the whole NFL whose contracts are expiring at the end of the year, and in all likelihood maybe one of them will not be resigned by their team and be available, and with a draft with so many great OLinemen we'd be foolish to not pick up at least two of them to build our OL around. The OL is probably the most important part of a football team other than the QB, and is the majority of the reason why we are 1-12 right now. We will be a much better team for picking up an additional 3-6 picks for trading the #1 pick away, and I think the team management realizes this and will not draft Bush unless they cannot get a decent trade for it.
 
jacquescas said:
Hey the thing about Bush being to small he is the same size or bigger than Tiki Barber and Warrick Dunn ... both have over 1000 yards this season. Davis has a tradable contract and he has injury concerns.
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Davis does not have a tradable contract, it will cost us $7 million against our cap to trade or cut him.
 
texan279 said:
Read my post again, I said hypothetically speaking IF Leinhart was the best talent in the draft should we pick him IF we ended up with the 1st pick...
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If everyone was sold on him being Brett Farve in the future? Yes. Dan Marino, John Elway, yes. Those types of players aren't available every year. I don't think anyone sees him that way yet, but he has the potential.
 
MorKnolle said:
Davis does not have a tradable contract, it will cost us $7 million against our cap to trade or cut him.
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we do not need to trade Davis if we draft Bush, as a matter of fact is not that a very good combination? maybe Dominack Davis does not have the size of LenDale White but he is a very good inside the tackle runner, with good hands to also catch out of the backfield. IF USC did not have LenDale White it would much easier to key of Reggie, I would expect USC to run straight at Texas alot more that some people expect. the point being we need both of them for a balanced offense, one does not preclude the other :)
 
texplayer2 said:
If everyone was sold on him being Brett Farve in the future? Yes. Dan Marino, John Elway, yes. Those types of players aren't available every year. I don't think anyone sees him that way yet, but he has the potential.
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No one player that comes out of the draft is a guarantee to be a success in the NFL. Bush could be taken at the #1 pick and turn out to be another Ki-Jana Carter and Leinhart could be taken after him and be the next Joe Montana. All I am saying is that being in the position we are in right now, a 1-12 team, if we end up with the 1st pick, I just cannot see us taking Bush with the first pick. We need to trade down as much as possible, maybe into the 5-15 range and get as many picks as possible and load this team up with several solid, quality players, instead of one possible future superstar. This is the way New England has done it in the past, just loads of quality talent and depth instead of a couple of superstars. We do not have enough talent to bring in one superstar and think he can turn this team around. Look at Oakland. They brought in Lamont Jordan and Randy Moss this past offseason and sit right now at 4-9, after finishing last season at 5-11.
 
texan279 said:
No one player that comes out of the draft is a guarantee to be a success in the NFL. Bush could be taken at the #1 pick and turn out to be another Ki-Jana Carter and Leinhart could be taken after him and be the next Joe Montana. All I am saying is that being in the position we are in right now, a 1-12 team, if we end up with the 1st pick, I just cannot see us taking Bush with the first pick. We need to trade down as much as possible, maybe into the 5-15 range and get as many picks as possible and load this team up with several solid, quality players, instead of one possible future superstar. This is the way New England has done it in the past, just loads of quality talent and depth instead of a couple of superstars. We do not have enough talent to bring in one superstar and think he can turn this team around. Look at Oakland. They brought in Lamont Jordan and Randy Moss this past offseason and sit right now at 4-9, after finishing last season at 5-11.
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1). The Texans will still have their 2nd, 3rd plus Saints 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th picks. are you telling me if the Texans pick Reggie Bush none of those matter?

2). Does anyone here still have confidence in Charlie Casserly trading down? not to mention the prospects he will target and take.

3). A playmakaker like Reggie Bush makes everyone better.

4). If we have to tear everything down, what a way to start over.

5). The Texans where 7-9 last year, there is something going on besides the players lack of confidence.

6). If someone makes a offer that blows our minds, well then yeah trade down but it would have to be a whopper not just a biggie.

7). A bush in the hand is worth two on top of the mountain or the bottom of a valley.

8). Reggie would put fans back in the seats, not to mention winning again.

9). Carr will no longer be the franchise, Reggie is very marketable and will inspire his own shoe deal, advertisements and Texan name brand recognition.

10). I want to buy a Texans jersey with Reggie Bush name & number 5 (I checked no Texan has this number :) ).

Another Bush a Texan :texflag:
 
beerlover said:
1). The Texans will still have their 2nd, 3rd plus Saints 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th picks. are you telling me if the Texans pick Reggie Bush none of those matter?

2). Does anyone here still have confidence in Charlie Casserly trading down? not to mention the prospects he will target and take.

3). A playmakaker like Reggie Bush makes everyone better.

4). If we have to tear everything down, what a way to start over.

5). The Texans where 7-9 last year, there is something going on besides the players lack of confidence.

6). If someone makes a offer that blows our minds, well then yeah trade down but it would have to be a whopper not just a biggie.

7). A bush in the hand is worth two on top of the mountain or the bottom of a valley.

8). Reggie would put fans back in the seats, not to mention winning again.

9). Carr will no longer be the franchise, Reggie is very marketable and will inspire his own shoe deal, advertisements and Texan name brand recognition.

10). I want to buy a Texans jersey with Reggie Bush name & number 5 (I checked no Texan has this number :) ).

Another Bush a Texan :texflag:
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1. Not saying these picks don't matter, but take a look at our drafts in the past. Besides round 1 picks, not much have come from our drafts. And say we trade down a few spots, add some more 2nd and 3rd round picks in there.

3. One player cannot make a team play better, ie Randy Moss in Oakland, Brett Favre in Green Bay.

4. I am not saying tear everything down, I am say add as much as we can to what we have.

5. Sure there is something going on. The coaching and offensive line are horrible.

8. Sure Reggie would put fans in the seats, but why does that matter to me? I want this team to win, I don't care if there are 70 or 70,000 people in the stands. And as far as Bush helping us "win again", do you really think if we had Bush right now our record would be better than 1-12?

9. Why do I care about marketing, advertising, and shoe deals? I want this team to win.
 
texan279 said:
1. Not saying these picks don't matter, but take a look at our drafts in the past. Besides round 1 picks, not much have come from our drafts. And say we trade down a few spots, add some more 2nd and 3rd round picks in there.

3. One player cannot make a team play better, ie Randy Moss in Oakland, Brett Favre in Green Bay.

4. I am not saying tear everything down, I am say add as much as we can to what we have.

5. Sure there is something going on. The coaching and offensive line are horrible.

8. Sure Reggie would put fans in the seats, but why does that matter to me? I want this team to win, I don't care if there are 70 or 70,000 people in the stands. And as far as Bush helping us "win again", do you really think if we had Bush right now our record would be better than 1-12?

9. Why do I care about marketing, advertising, and shoe deals? I want this team to win.
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well for the most part I was just having fun ala tongue in cheek style, but there is nothing funny with Casserlys use of all the great positioning of wasted draft picks, that the Texans economy system is down (goes with losing) lots of empty seats & consession stands, or the fact this team is MUCH BETTER THAN 1-12. you turn teams around with winning & yes Bush would pay big dividends in that department along with almost everything else. Moss or Farve are not what they use to be in there prime, if Oakland and Green Bay could draft them from day 1 and start all over again you could make the same arguement Randy and Brett. You see your getting a Superstar coming into his prime in Reggie Bush & that makes all the difference in the world, plus I really do want a Reggie Bush Texans jersey :ok:
 
beerlover said:
1). The Texans will still have their 2nd, 3rd plus Saints 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th picks. are you telling me if the Texans pick Reggie Bush none of those matter?

2). Does anyone here still have confidence in Charlie Casserly trading down? not to mention the prospects he will target and take.

3). A playmakaker like Reggie Bush makes everyone better.

4). If we have to tear everything down, what a way to start over.

5). The Texans where 7-9 last year, there is something going on besides the players lack of confidence.

6). If someone makes a offer that blows our minds, well then yeah trade down but it would have to be a whopper not just a biggie.

7). A bush in the hand is worth two on top of the mountain or the bottom of a valley.

8). Reggie would put fans back in the seats, not to mention winning again.

9). Carr will no longer be the franchise, Reggie is very marketable and will inspire his own shoe deal, advertisements and Texan name brand recognition.

10). I want to buy a Texans jersey with Reggie Bush name & number 5 (I checked no Texan has this number :) ).

Another Bush a Texan :texflag:
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1. Yes picking Reggie Bush does matter. It matters because its a player that wont improve our team. Ok lets say we do. 1st down run the ball with Bush 3 yard gain. 2nd down they blitz us lack of pass protection 3-13. 3rd down blitz us again maybe we get the pass off for a short gain. Doesnt this sound familiar. O wait thats what happening now. Our problem isnt in Davis, Carr, or AJ. Its at Pass blocking and TE. No team respects us enough to take the 8th man out of the box. Til we solve this problem Jim Brown, Gayle Sayers, O.J, Emmitt Smith, L Tomlinson, no one could help us because it will be the same thing over and over again. What i am noticing is that you have what i like to call "tunnel vision" and what happens when you get tunnel vision playing this game? You should be saying how come everyone isnt saying lets trade down and draft a pass blocking O-Lineman or an all around TE or even a CB to be opposite Drob instead of implying something that we dont need. Stop listening to what you hear on TV and radio because they are getting your hopes up. REEVES not casserly will make the selection

2. See the last part of 1. casserly wont have anything to do with the draft IF he comes back

3. No a playmaker doesn't make you better if hes no better than what you have. He doesnt like to run up the middle. he plays in the PAC 10 hes never taken a hit like a Dwgiht Freeney would lay on him or a Henderson DT Jaguars. I mean come on. Plus anyways DD gets hit in the backfield all the time and still get postive yards hes in the top 12-14 RB every year. makes no sense whatsoever.

4. Reeves will get rid of players he doesnt want anyways. We wont start over as much as i think you were implying.

5. Well minus 1 possible tank, 1 horrible d stand and 2 referee mess ups we have 4 wins. Possible 7-9 season..
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I mean come on

6. And Dan Reeves is the man to do it. He is known for making moves and not only just making htem but good ones. Also developing the players and finding good talent.

7. The most stupid question since i heard fry on futurama say "do i smell purple?"

8. The answer to this is NO. We will be in the exact same spot as this season with half the attendance :homer:

9. I dont know why you dont think Carr wont be back and if he wasnt going to be coming back we would select Linehart.. Another question that is "tunnel vision" and makes no sense.

10. TUNNEL VISION
 
There are no guarantees about Reggie Bush. There are no guarantees about the lineman we may drop down to draft or that he would be better than one that we could pick up with the 33rd pick. If we could swing a San Diego/Manning type deal and pick a couple of firsts and drop down just a couple of spots, it might be worth it. Every one agrees that we need line help but there are very few players that will make a difference to a ball club like Bush. Last year we dropped down to fill a need and basically did nothing to improve the team. Bush is probably the best Running Back and Wide Receiver in this years draft. That doesn't happen very often. I say draft Bush and address the line and CB with FA and pick 33. All that being said, we will probably draft 2nd.
 
Ahhh, the great debate. This will be debated for a long time. I see people comparing Oakland, GB, and other teams in here. And none of us know what will happen. I have never understood the draft with out picks and never will. Reggie Bush is a big time playmaker now and will be in the pros. He is our once in a lifetime pick without giving up the farm to get him. This draft is so deep in O-Lineman, we can pick them for 2 days and fix our problem. But one thing is clear for sure...

No matter what happens on draft day, everyone will NOT be happy..

I for one, want Reggie Bush here if possible...

Didn't the great Mike Ditka give up a whole draft for a RB at New Orleans?
Didn't Oakland take a great O-Lineman with 2nd overall pick?
Didn't NY give up a next year's 1 pick to trade up 2 spots?

My point is, 1 great O-Lineman will not help us win, just ask Oakland. But 1 Reggie Bush type player will, ask TB.... Trading down just doesnt make any sense to me when we ALL know there are no guarantees in the draft. Who in here can tell me that if we traded down and got D'Brick that on the first play from scrimmage in a pre-season game he wont go down with a torn ligament and be out for the season? Who can tell me 1 person in the draft is a sure fire winner? Let's take our chances, cut T Hollings, draft Bush, 2nd and 3rd picks pick up some O-Line help and go from there. Houston deserves to see a fine runner in action all the time, not when they come here to visit. We have to get the caliber of players that can put points on the board to beat Indy. You are not going to stop em so you have to outscore em.....
 
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