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thetexanator

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was around 920 ish, i believe it was 610. The whiny voiced guy said that he dad sources that said peyton to houston was a done deal but that kubiak nixed it because he wanted to be loyal to schaub.

Anyone else ever hear this? Its the first time i ever heard about it. I always heard we werent interested because of the money it would cost.:kubepalm:


what could have been.
 
thetexanator said:
was around 920 ish, i believe it was 610. The whiny voiced guy said that he dad sources that said peyton to houston was a done deal but that kubiak nixed it because he wanted to be loyal to schaub.

Anyone else ever hear this? Its the first time i ever heard about it. I always heard we werent interested because of the money it would cost.:kubepalm:


what could have been.
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Wouldn't have worked.
The Texans would have to cut a bunch more players or at least one very good players, probably two.

No money.
 
From what I remember, we would have had the cap to sign Peyton if we cut 2-3 guys. Not entrenched starters either, but role players.

Kubiak was not interested from the start because he thought Schaub was a better "fit". :kubepalm:
 
76Texan said:
Wouldn't have worked.
The Texans would have to cut a bunch more players or at least one very good players, probably two.

No money.
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yeah i think thats what everyone thought. but how in the world were the broncos able to pull it off. they had just as much talent and presumably salary as we did but were able to do it. they got welker too. i think they could have made it happen if they wanted to.
 
Lance Z explained pretty well how we couldn't have done it. Broncos had much more money to offer than we did.
 
Vance87 said:
Lance Z explained pretty well how we couldn't have done it. Broncos had much more money to offer than we did.
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well then someone on the radio is a gd liar. i trust lances opinion more than i do that other guy. guys an idiot but i thought he had some inside info lol.
 
Cap reasons aside, there was absolutely no guarentee that Peyton could come back as a starter in the league, let alone a Pro-Bowler again.
 
Peyton to Houston was completely doable if you sacrificed Schaub and did not extend Arian Foster. Foster counted 8m against the cap that year, and Schaub was somewhere around 11m with 1.3m signing bonus before he signed his extension. We could have offered about 16-17m in year 1 to Peyton if that was the plan.

Chris Myers was signed to a contract that counted 4.5m that year, so there was some more room if needed. It was feasible, but there is no way Kubiak would have let someone take away his offensive thunder. I have no doubt about that.
 
thetexanator said:
yeah i think thats what everyone thought. but how in the world were the broncos able to pull it off. they had just as much talent and presumably salary as we did but were able to do it. they got welker too. i think they could have made it happen if they wanted to.
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Broncos benefited from the Cutler's trade.
They got a ton of young talents for cheap.
It will be their turn in 2015.
They will probably let Manning go after next year.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Peyton to Houston was completely doable if you sacrificed Schaub and did not extend Arian Foster. Foster counted 8m against the cap that year, and Schaub was somewhere around 11m with 1.3m signing bonus before he signed his extension. We could have offered about 16-17m in year 1 to Peyton if that was the plan.

Chris Myers was signed to a contract that counted 4.5m that year, so there was some more room if needed. It was feasible, but there is no way Kubiak would have let someone take away his offensive thunder. I have no doubt about that.
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How the heck do you not extend Foster?
 
Dutchrudder said:
Peyton to Houston was completely doable if you sacrificed Schaub and did not extend Arian Foster. Foster counted 8m against the cap that year, and Schaub was somewhere around 11m with 1.3m signing bonus before he signed his extension. We could have offered about 16-17m in year 1 to Peyton if that was the plan.

Chris Myers was signed to a contract that counted 4.5m that year, so there was some more room if needed. It was feasible, but there is no way Kubiak would have let someone take away his offensive thunder. I have no doubt about that.
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This.

fwiw, John McClain contends to this day that Houston was Manning's first choice because he wanted to play with AJ.

Obvious hindsight being 20/20, but it was never truly an option because of the second thing Dutch mentioned. No way could Kubiak give so much control of his offense to Manning. I have no doubt about that, as well.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Probably because Peyton is white and they're racist, right?
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With the texans it's more because they make decisions in ways of the past they haven't caught up to the current ways and tricks of the trade. It's deeper than race they have different black guys and white guys in certain positions of rank and authority but as long as the owner and/or Kubiak in this case can have full control and authority over everything they do, say and decision they make. People just have titles. Hard to win that way nobody is being their true self they are just making the man on top happy by doing whatever it takes to keep their job. The guys that speak out against it or simply tell the truth get canned. You see what I'm saying?
 
Payton would have gotten released the minute he shook garys signs off and ran his own play:kitten:
 
thetexanator said:
didnt they jump the gun on foster? they had leverage on him, and they decided to play nice if i remember correctly.
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Don't forget that Foster agreed on a third-year tender minimum in 2011 when he could have take his service elsewhere.

Somebody would have offer him more than that and force the Texans hands if Foster didn't agree to the tender.

Part of the money Foster is receiving with the new contract, IMO, is back pay that was due to him in 2011.
 
Wolf said:
Payton would have gotten released the minute he shook garys signs off and ran his own play:kitten:
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Yep bye bye and Case Keenum may not even be qb next year depending on who coaches the team next year we are just at a weird state right now.
 
thetexanator said:
didnt they jump the gun on foster? they had leverage on him, and they decided to play nice if i remember correctly.
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Yep. He had another year as an RFA, we could have put a 1st round tender on him for something smallish. Could have franchised him and traded him off too, but that wouldn't have gone over well. Rick Smith said "he would take care of him" if he did well in 2011, so that's why we gave him 5 years 40m. Well, bad things happen when you give lots of money to RBs...

I think you could have sold Foster on the low pay for 1 more year if you told him it was the difference between having Schaub at QB vs Peyton. Any team player should understand the difference between the two. I also have to wonder if Peyton would have taken 15m a year to play here instead of Denver. At the time, Denver looked like a fluke with that win over the Steelers and Tebow at the helm. They had issues, and still do, but putting Peyton up there really vaulted them up the power rankings.
 
anybody who says we couldnt afford him is talking nonsense.

If you decided to stake your future with Manning you will make the necessary roster moves to accommodate his salary.

All these posters saying we cant afford him is just trying to find a way to rationalize the mistake of not signing peyton and instead choosing schaub. They are the same posters who disregarded manning and chose schaub so you see a lot of warped back tracking trying to downplay that huge mistake by saying we couldnt afford him.

what a load of crock.

Just admit the fact you were wrong about manning and his ability to come back from that injury. No need to make up lies about not being able to afford him. Were you people involved in the negotiations? Heck, where there even negotiations going on to lay claim to the lie that we couldnt afford him?

They should have gauged Peyton's interests and took an honest and professional effort to hear him out. Maybe he takes less to win now.

Instead just like a lot of posters with case keenum's ability, they dont even want to give it a chance.

Typical front office, typical fanbase.
 
To sign Payton, I really believe McNair would have had to can Kubiak, and he didn't want to hurt his feelings or anything.

But forget about the money because it goes much deeper than that. Kubes is a decent OC but he is also a control freak of the highest order. No way would he give Payton the kind of power to run the offense like he had in Indy.
 
BigBull17 said:
I would damn near never extend a running back in this league. Tough position to play at a high level for a long period of time.
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It wasn't an extension, it was a new contract.
Peterson is two years older than Foster, and he got a $100M 7 yr contract with $36M guaranteed in 2011.

Foster's deal was for five years at $43.5M and $20.75; that's less than 60% on both counts, and part of Foster's money was "back-pay" for signing at the minimum level for a fourth year player, which isn't very much.

And Peterson's running style is more susceptible to injury.
 
Lord Bills said:
anybody who says we couldnt afford him is talking nonsense.

If you decided to stake your future with Manning you will make the necessary roster moves to accommodate his salary.

All these posters saying we cant afford him is just trying to find a way to rationalize the mistake of not signing peyton and instead choosing schaub. They are the same posters who disregarded manning and chose schaub so you see a lot of warped back tracking trying to downplay that huge mistake by saying we couldnt afford him.

what a load of crock.

Just admit the fact you were wrong about manning and his ability to come back from that injury. No need to make up lies about not being able to afford him. Were you people involved in the negotiations? Heck, where there even negotiations going on to lay claim to the lie that we couldnt afford him?

They should have gauged Peyton's interests and took an honest and professional effort to hear him out. Maybe he takes less to win now.

Instead just like a lot of posters with case keenum's ability, they dont even want to give it a chance.

Typical front office, typical fanbase.
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I wanted Peyton, but I knew the Texans had no money to sign him.
To have him, you have to lose a lot of talents.
Manning alone can't compensate for that.
 
Vance87 said:
Lance Z explained pretty well how we couldn't have done it. Broncos had much more money to offer than we did.
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thetexanator said:
well then someone on the radio is a gd liar...
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I'm shocked!

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76Texan said:
I wanted Peyton, but I knew the Texans had no money to sign him.
To have him, you have to lose a lot of talents.
Manning alone can't compensate for that.
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Keep in mind that the one year where Peyton was expected to play and didn't, the Colts went 2-14.
 
Double Barrel said:
This.

fwiw, John McClain contends to this day that Houston was Manning's first choice because he wanted to play with AJ.

Obvious hindsight being 20/20, but it was never truly an option because of the second thing Dutch mentioned. No way could Kubiak give so much control of his offense to Manning. I have no doubt about that, as well.
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Manning wanted to stick it to Irsay more than playing with Dre. Just shows how much of a horse and pony show this organization has become.
 
I can see the Texans brass passing because they ( like shanny ) believe the system wins not players . It's a plug and play thing where you don't need the most athletic guys but the guys who are willing to do what's ask .
 
76Texan said:
I wanted Peyton, but I knew the Texans had no money to sign him.
To have him, you have to lose a lot of talents.
Manning alone can't compensate for that.
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You dont know that at all. The deal he got with denver is the deal he got with denver.

Not necessarily the deal the texans would have to pay him.

Had the texans actually opened and courted negotiations with manning then they came out and said, we cant afford him,

I would have been perfectly fine by that.

We didnt even bother hearing him out or negotiating with him. To say we couldnt have afforded him and we would have to gut half the team is a complete fabrication.
 
DX-TEX said:
Manning wanted to stick it to Irsay more than playing with Dre. Just shows how much of a horse and pony show this organization has become.
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this right here and the fact that we had a talented roster replete with pro bowlers. Manning had a chance to actually win the superbowl with the texans along with sticking to Irsay and the colts twice a year.

I cant believe people are gullible and deluded enough to go with the whole "he wants to play with dre" homer angle.
 
Texian said:
Easy, you could've tendered him instead, he was a RFA.
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His original contract was for 2 years; they tendered him in his third year, with "a promise to take care of him".

Remember that he was an UDFA, the Texans would have gotten nothing for him in 2011 if he decided to field offers from the rest of the NFL.

He chose to take the minimum salary in 2011; I'm sure that there was a hand-shake deal in the work for 2012.

Nobody will leave a load of money on the table.
 
Lord Bills said:
You dont know that at all. The deal he got with denver is the deal he got with denver.

Not necessarily the deal the texans would have to pay him.

Had the texans actually opened and courted negotiations with manning then they came out and said, we cant afford him,

I would have been perfectly fine by that.

We didnt even bother hearing him out or negotiating with him. To say we couldnt have afforded him and we would have to gut half the team is a complete fabrication.
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Perhaps he would take a mil less, but we don't know that for a fact either.
I would think that these agents always work in the dark negotiating with different clubs.
Who knows, Peyon might have used the Texans as a bait, even if it was indirect.
 
76Texan said:
His original contract was for 2 years; they tendered him in his third year, with "a promise to take care of him".

Remember that he was an UDFA, the Texans would have gotten nothing for him in 2011 if he decided to field offers from the rest of the NFL.

He chose to take the minimum salary in 2011; I'm sure that there was a hand-shake deal in the work for 2012.

Nobody will leave a load of money on the table.
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Well, who cares? So you don't give him the extension he wanted, so he goes to free agency and looks for greener pastures. In the meantime, we sign a Hall of Fame QB who is in the conversation for GOAT. I'd feel bad for Foster, but it is a business. And it wouldn't be the first time someone left the Texans and was unhappy with the way Rick Smith treated them.

Sorry, HOF QB > great RB.
 
im peytons eyes I think the Texans were his first choice to go to obvs the most talented team and he would stay in his divison

I think in secret he called they said NO and that was it

Looking back it was obvs a HUGE error money was not a issues we could have made it happen but they rolled the dice they thought schaub could do it
 
Dutchrudder said:
Well, who cares? So you don't give him the extension he wanted, so he goes to free agency and looks for greener pastures. In the meantime, we sign a Hall of Fame QB who is in the conversation for GOAT. I'd feel bad for Foster, but it is a business. And it wouldn't be the first time someone left the Texans and was unhappy with the way Rick Smith treated them.

Sorry, HOF QB > great RB.
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The problem is that Foster was "promised" the money a year ealier.
 
Lord Bills said:
this right here and the fact that we had a talented roster replete with pro bowlers. Manning had a chance to actually win the superbowl with the texans along with sticking to Irsay and the colts twice a year.

I cant believe people are gullible and deluded enough to go with the whole "he wants to play with dre" homer angle.
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Why can't it be all of the above?

Stick it to Irsay
Play with a roster full of talent, including an elite WR
Good weather city with a dome stadium
Play in a division he knows

But honestly, TheMatrix31 nailed it. This rumor has always been unsubstantiated. The only info you find about it is in blogs and forums. There is no credible source to confirm any of it, even two years later.
 
Double Barrel said:
Why can't it be all of the above?

Stick it to Irsay
Play with a roster full of talent, including an elite WR
Good weather city with a dome stadium
Play in a division he knows

But honestly, TheMatrix31 nailed it. This rumor has always been unsubstantiated. The only info you find about it is in blogs and forums. There is no credible source to confirm any of it, even two years later.
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Not true at all. abc 13 and fox 26 houston ran segments about it at the time.

Not true.
 
I remember a lot of people here wanting no part of manning because of uncertainty, now he paid off and the revisionist history is coming out.

As a "Schaub lover" I was all for manning deal but didn't think the money was doable
 
Vance87 said:
Lance Z explained pretty well how we couldn't have done it. Broncos had much more money to offer than we did.
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pretty sure he still would have come here, getting to play his old team twice was prob giving manning a woody just thinking about it.
 
Lord Bills said:
Not true at all. abc 13 and fox 26 houston ran segments about it at the time.

Not true.
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Yes, true. It was a rumor with Bob Allen.

Here's his quote:

"Someone I know who is close friends with the Manning family says Peyton is definitely interested in coming to the Texans. Manning will be released by the Colts early next month and will be a free agent. The person who knows the Mannings says Peyton wants to play on a team that has a chance of going to a Super Bowl, and the Texans fit that description."

Source
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It's basically Bob Allen's blog on ABC 13's website. This is where it started, btw.

Still waiting for a credible source to confirm it.

You do understand the definition of rumor, yeah?

Here is Bob Allen clarifying his statement

Bob Allen basically read a text of a Manning family member through someone not named.

Rumor: a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth

Manning could have had half a dozen teams he was interested in joining. This could have been put out there to get the Broncos to make a deal. Any number of scenarios could exist, but let's not act like Manning was not getting his calls returned by Bob McNair.
 
Double Barrel said:
Why can't it be all of the above?

Stick it to Irsay
Play with a roster full of talent, including an elite WR
Good weather city with a dome stadium
Play in a division he knows

But honestly, TheMatrix31 nailed it. This rumor has always been unsubstantiated. The only info you find about it is in blogs and forums. There is no credible source to confirm any of it, even two years later.
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Spot on. I don't doubt there was some level of consideration and interest by both but I am not buying this it was a done deal, he would have taken a discount and the Texans rejected him storyline.*

2012Champs said:
I remember a lot of people here wanting no part of manning because of uncertainty, now he paid off and the revisionist history is coming out.
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Definitely.

Lord Bills said:
Not true at all. abc 13 and fox 26 houston ran segments about it at the time.

Not true.
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Yes true. The most that got reported was rumor he would consider the Texans on his short list.

Dutch - I think you are leaving a lot of context out of making it seem so obvious to sign Manning. Dude was not even cleared to practice. He was rehabbing all the way up to and into the 2012 season. There was more than a little risk.

* As a side note, think of how contrary this story is to public opinion around here. To believe it, the most intelligent QB in the game arguable GOAT had to believe the Texans were poised for a SB run with the current coaching staff (and most of the same players) that now everyone and their dog has known for years was incompetent and could never take a team to the Super Bowl.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yes, true. It was a rumor with Bob Allen.

Here's his quote:



It's basically Bob Allen's blog on ABC 13's website. This is where it started, btw.

Still waiting for a credible source to confirm it.

You do understand the definition of rumor, yeah?

Here is Bob Allen clarifying his statement

Bob Allen basically read a text of a Manning family member through someone not named.

Rumor: a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth

Manning could have had half a dozen teams he was interested in joining. This could have been put out there to get the Broncos to make a deal. Any number of scenarios could exist, but let's not act like Manning was not getting his calls returned by Bob McNair.
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my point still stands, It was covered by abc13 and fox 26 houston.

It was on television. That's how i heard about it first. It wasnt just relegated to some obscure corner of the internet that you claimed.

If your quarterback is matt schaub and peyton manning becomes available,

You ask for a meeting. Take stab at it. At least ask for a meeting. Give yourself a chance.

Whats' with this team and fanbase being so against taking a chance?
 
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