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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread II

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bckey said:
My number 1 GM prospect would be:

Eric DeCosta Ozzie Newsome's long time protege
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I like that. Newsome has done wonders for Baltimore. Maybe he could bring a scout or two with him.

I like Reed as a secondary coach. Let Ed coach up the youngsters.

We need a fresh offensive system, Garys has been figured out and exposed. Not sure who the next OC needs to be, but they need to bring something fresh to the table, and not conservative.

Wades defense has also been figured out, and puts too much stock in the blitz. We need to get better at applying pressure with four up front, and controlling the field in coverage. We need to bring in a defensive scheme that is cutting edge, and not the same ol same ol.

ST needs to be completely re-vamped. Bring in someone who is shining at the college level.
 
Yesterday said:
Clear a couple things up first:

Shaw won't be leaving Stanford.
Lovie Smith is not a good coach
Gruden isn't leaving MNF

Now, some other prospects mentioned:

Tony Dungy may be the most overrated coach in NFL history (Anyone could have done what he did with Peyton. In fact, a really good coach would have won many more titles). Just see what Jim Caldwell did with Peyton (14-2) and without.

Rex Ryan isn't getting fired by the Jets - he has done a phenomenal job this year. He's weird, but I'd take him in a heartbeat.
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Tony Dungy also built the defense that Gruden won his SB with...I feel safe in assuming he has an eye for defensive talent..especially when you consider how good his defenses were in Indy.


I'd like to see David Shaw or Obrien from Penn State...
 
Dungy has categorically said he is done with coaching, kaput, finished, never to go back. Enjoying his life after coaching to much to ever go back.
 
You need a good GM with an eye for talent no matter who you hire. I don't like a coach having total control or the final say on personnel decisions. It just gives them more things to worry about and its hard enough to coach without having to find players too.
 
texanhead08 said:
You need a good GM with an eye for talent no matter who you hire. I don't like a coach having total control or the final say on personnel decisions. It just gives them more things to worry about and its hard enough to coach without having to find players too.
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Unless someone like Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells walks through the door.
 
You call Cowher, without a doubt. Lovie was well loved up here, even with the firing. Good man, runs great Ds. His issue was working with a GM to hire a competent O Coordinator. Zimmer needs a shot at some point. I'm just a little worried why he hasn't gotten one so far. Not sure if his style wears on people.

LZ threw this out today. I haven't watched his work as much as others so no real opinion here.


Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein 2h
I would take Kyle Shanahan as play-caller in HOU in a heartbeat. I would also consider him w/ interview if HOU went in diff direction at HC
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HoustonFrog said:
You call Cowher, without a doubt. Lovie was well loved up here, even with the firing. Good man, runs great Ds. His issue was working with a GM to hire a competent O Coordinator. Zimmer needs a shot at some point. I'm just a little worried why he hasn't gotten one so far. Not sure if his style wears on people.

LZ threw this out today. I haven't watched his work as much as others so no real opinion here.
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Makes a lot of sense. Give Gary his final year contract while lightening his load by bringing back Kyle. Rick Smith will remain the GM. Soild call.
 
We already had little Shanny (28 years old) here and groomed him for daddy to take to Washington as his oc. He isn't going to come back and do the same job he is already doing for his dad. I sure wouldn't want him as head coach here. He is way to inexperienced for that job. I think we need to go in a different direction.
 
bckey said:
We already had little Shanny (28 years old) here and groomed him for daddy to take to Washington as his oc. He isn't going to come back and do the same job he is already doing for his dad. I sure wouldn't want him as head coach here. He is way to inexperienced for that job. I think we need to go in a different direction.
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People said the same thing about Jeff fisher.
 
bckey said:
We already had little Shanny (28 years old) here and groomed him for daddy to take to Washington as his oc. He isn't going to come back and do the same job he is already doing for his dad. I sure wouldn't want him as head coach here. He is way to inexperienced for that job. I think we need to go in a different direction.
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I bet big Shanny gets canned after this season.
 
2slik4u said:
I bet big Shanny gets canned after this season.
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just to clarify - I want nothing to do with big Shanny. Just pointing out that after daddy gets fired, Kyle will have no other reason to stick around D.C.

To be honest, I am ready for a complete overhaul scheme change myself. Ready for a spread offense a la New Orleans, GB, Denver, etc. The ZBS was great and effective but in order to re-invent our team (which is what I think is needed) I think we need to re-invent the scheme.
 
Mike Zimmer
Jay Gruden
Lovie Smith
Joe Philbin (if he gets canned over the Incognito mess)

Rob Ryan was a blowhard douche when he was with the Cowboys, not sure if he is head coach material.

Hopefully no college coaches
 
This is just speculation, but:

I was looking at teams records today, and realized it is very possible that 8 teams could have openings this offseason.

Washington 3-6 Shanny
New York Giants 3-6 Coughlin
Minnesota 2-7 Frazier
Pittsburgh 3-6 Tomlin
Tampa Bay 0-8 Schiano
Atlanta 2-7 Smith
Jacksonville 1-8 Bradley
Houston 2-7 Kubiak

Now of course, some of these seasons can be turned around, and won't get fired. Like I said, it's just speculation.

Giving that however, are there any coaches from these teams any of y'all would like to bring in?
 
Little Shanny needs a win on his career path before there is any consideration. Cronyism is a major contributor to the mediocrity of the Texans' Kubiak experience to date.
 
They need to lose the Denver connection and find another coaching tree to find fruit.
 
Lurvinator11 said:
This is just speculation, but:

I was looking at teams records today, and realized it is very possible that 8 teams could have openings this offseason.

Washington 3-6 Shanny
New York Giants 3-6 Coughlin
Minnesota 2-7 Frazier
Pittsburgh 3-6 Tomlin
Tampa Bay 0-8 Schiano
Atlanta 2-7 Smith
Jacksonville 1-8 Bradley
Houston 2-7 Kubiak

Now of course, some of these seasons can be turned around, and won't get fired. Like I said, it's just speculation.

Giving that however, are there any coaches from these teams any of y'all would like to bring in?
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Tomlin is about the only guy on that list I'd be halfway interested in. Coughlin changed his outlook on things and became an even better coach, but he's getting up there in years and I'm not sure he'd even be interested in starting over. Tomlin would at least be worth an interview. Find out what he learned from his mistakes and see how much of the Steeler way can be brought in. But like I said before, halfway interested.

If we're looking at retreads, I'd be willing to take a look at Whisenhunt. He just had the one gig and got the Cards to the Super Bowl. The Cards fell apart, but from everything we know about the Cards owner, I'm not surprised at all.

If we're looking at college coaches, I guess I could find some excitement about Sumlin, but I just think it's too early for him. Two guys I'd be interested in considering for coordinator positions would be Will Muschamp and Bronco Mendenhall (BYU).
 
Josh mcdaniels. Made his rookie mistakes elsewhere, awful QB **** imposed on him and, I think very importantly, all that experience was gained dealing with shanny's aftermath in Denver.

Mcdaniels is one of the best offensive minds in the game, unlocks access to the bellichek coaching tree. His record in Denver was unfair, his firing somewhat questionable.

Picking in the top 3 given the perceived talent on the team must surely be a pull for us to get who we want.
 
McDaniels? That guy DESTROYED the Broncos. He's one of the biggest cancers. **** that guy. I never want to read his name suggested ever again.

And Mike Tomlin isn't getting fired, lol.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
McDaniels? That guy DESTROYED the Broncos. He's one of the biggest cancers. **** that guy. I never want to read his name suggested ever again.

And Mike Tomlin isn't getting fired, lol.
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Ever notice how most who descend from the Belichick tree always FAIL in a BIG way? I think that's because Belichick always fills out The To Do List and hands it out to his subordinates. None of the subordinates know how to fill out a "To Do List".
 
TEXANRED said:
Cowher hasn't coached a game in 7 years.
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Kubiak has roughly coached 119 games in that general time frame. What does that prove? He's average - 51% of those were wins. :kubepalm:

Cowher will be coaching, NOT playing:mariopalm:. You are asking they guy to coach at a high level and generate wins. I'm pretty sure Cowher is capable of doing that now-- 7 yrs removed or not. With coaching, you either have IT or you don't. He has IT.
 
If something is rotting in the fridge, throw it out. If you put something back in that rots, well, there's a problem that needs to be fixed somewhere. We're on our second regime, and they need thrown out. If the third regime turns out to be screw ups, then we know where the problem lies and it's probably not going to be fixable, just like Bud Adams.
 
I have a question. Is it time for Rob Ryan to get a chance to be HC?

I'm not for him or against him. I'm just wondering. Thinking out loud if you will.
 
DX-TEX said:
No. Just no.
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Hey, I just spent 8 years watching Gary Kubiak coach a football team. I'm not taking too many options off the table at this point. It's all just mental masturbation on our part anyway. Until someone puts a stake in Gary's heart and it's done nothing any of us suggests will come to pass.
 
Hervoyel said:
Hey, I just spent 8 years watching Gary Kubiak coach a football team. I'm not taking too many options off the table at this point. It's all just mental masturbation on our part anyway. Until someone puts a stake in Gary's heart and it's done nothing any of us suggests will come to pass.
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The whole Ryan family are great DC's but horrible head coaches.
 
infantrycak said:
Please explain. He took over a 9-7 team and has double digit wins once.
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You know what though? It's a pretty common misconception. I was about to respond to DX-TEX with something like "Well, lets look at the numbers..." and I went to Pro Football Reference and found that he's pretty much a .500 coach just like his father.

I'd really always assumed he was more successful than that (and that Buddy Ryan had been more successful than that too).

I don't know that it means that Rob (Rob? Rex? I get them confused) Ryan would also be a .500 coach but I guess it does tend to make that seem likely since they're all out of the same coaching tree and a lot alike.
 
Winning percentages are all over the map. Mike Martz is high .624 (better than Cowher) but I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Wade Phillips has an excellent winning % and most say he isn't a HC. Dungy is .668 and some folks think John Gruden and his .540 out coached him.

As to Rex I subjectively don't like him and don't see the objective measure by which he is better.
 
eriadoc said:
If we're looking at college coaches, I guess I could find some excitement about Sumlin, but I just think it's too early for him.
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I should probably point out that Sumlin is older now than Gary was when he became head coach.
 
bhsman said:
I should probably point out that Sumlin is older now than Gary was when he became head coach.
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I think his point is this is Sumlin's first year in a big time college conference and he has no NFL experience. Kubiak had 21 years of NFL coaching experience including 10 at OC.
 
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