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Arian Foster (season ending back surgery)

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eriadoc

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I haven't heard much chatter about Foster the past couple days, but I have to say my opinion of him has fallen. The past two games he has taken himself out of the game after just four carries and one carry, respectively. I'm sure his hamstring, back, and calf are all really sore, but if they're that bad, he should never have taken an active roster spot. Meanwhile, Tate is out there gutting it up with broken ribs.

People used to ding Mario by saying he didn't try enough. But he went out there and played in the trenches every down against the largest guys on the field with all sorts of injuries. Hell, he played an entire season with plantar fasciitis, which I know personally leaves you crippled. He may not have played particularly well with those maladies, but he went out there.

And what was the general consensus when Colt McCoy pulled himself out of the national championship game? It wasn't that he was a tough gamer, I can tell you that.
 

CretorFrigg

Fire Rick Smith
Can I short his stock?

...any put options out there?

To me, it just feels like he's given up. He's stopped taking football seriously, and he's more invested in his career as a celebrity.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I think like others who have come back without healing it has led to further injury and this includes Foster. I would think it is difficult to return in 2 weeks from hamstring and that could have led to back injury. I think I read/heard somewhere that back was hurt "again". Of so, not sure how this is player's fault?
 

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
As I recall Dr CND predicted compensating injuries for Arian. From about the 2nd half of the 2nd game he looked like his old self, but then injuries again...
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
I'm torn on this one, as I'm giving Arian the benefit of the doubt here. If he had busted ribs, then I'd expect him to get the shot like Tate did and be out there.

But with Arian and this hamstring of his . . I mentioned to my wife when they announced that he was playing, "Why is he even suiting up so soon, he's just going to tweak it again". They said it was his back this time, but I'm sure it's hammy related.

He did something bad to his hamstring in a workout before training camp, in which I get the feeling needs surgical correction. They're 2-6. Put him on IR and get it done.
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
I don't know.. leg muscles and the back are pretty important to a RBs ability to play. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
 

JCTexan

Hall of Fame
The question I have is how he was cleared to play in the first place. He had only one carry where he wasn't hit too hard and he doesn't play another down. Was he not tested extensively before the game? And this was coming after a game where you had no healthy RB's available.
 

TheMatrix31

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure how I feel about this recent run of events, but I do know that I've never been really trusting of him overall. I always thought he had too much weirdo/philosophical douche/etc in him, somewhat similar to what happened to Ricky Williams' running away from football.

I hope it's just injuries, but I've always had this feeling about him.
 

Dutchrudder

Hall of Fame
I think it's mostly injuries that are holding him back, and it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who looks at the history of RBs with 400+ touches in their previous year. At this point, I would give Arian at least 4 weeks off, and figure out what we have in guys like Dennis Johnson, who could be our #2 RB next year. I think a 1-2 punch of Foster and Johnson could be enough for the 2014 Texans, and it could reduce our RB priority in the draft. Get Dennis up to speed on pass protections, and he could be a nice, cheap #2.
 

cstyle42

Rookie
Coach ran him into the ground last year.
Bingo!!! When you got a playcaller like Kubiak and a qb like Schaub it ruins other keys players that have to be twice as great to make up for the weak links BS so I don't even blame Foster. Glad this team is finally forced to address their real issues.
 

tedr

Rookie
I think we should shut him down for the rest of the year, and let him heal up and be ready for 2014. As excited as I am about Keenum, we aren't going to the playoffs this year. As someone stated, we need to see if Johnson is a viable #2 back...I thought he flashed some potential on Sunday night.
 

Tearstain

Waterboy
I seem to recall his his initial injury in pre season was a result of him over doing the weight training in the gym.

Is this what a person does when they don't care about playing?
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
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I think it's mostly injuries that are holding him back, and it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who looks at the history of RBs with 400+ touches in their previous year. At this point, I would give Arian at least 4 weeks off, and figure out what we have in guys like Dennis Johnson, who could be our #2 RB next year. I think a 1-2 punch of Foster and Johnson could be enough for the 2014 Texans, and it could reduce our RB priority in the draft. Get Dennis up to speed on pass protections, and he could be a nice, cheap #2.
This is how I perceive it, as well. RBs are known to have short NFL lives due to the nature of the position and the workload put on them.

Dude is human and his body will reflect the wear and tear put on it.

I cannot judge the man's heart or say that I know what he's thinking. But, he sure ran his ass off after getting paid, and that is usually somewhat of an indicator into the insight of a player's mentality.

And I agree with Dutch on putting a fork in this season and let Foster some time to heal. I think the guy still has some football left in him, so no use wasting it on this season.
 

PHILLYTEXANFAN

Saddle Up Partner
I think you already didn't like him to begin with. Can't be serious... what grounds do you have to believe that?
I based it on his attitude and body language. Dont know why his back didnt get aggravated during practice, Gary always said he had a good day, etc. And the whole team luncheon incident made him look like a real Jerk off in my eyes.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
I based it on his attitude and body language. Dont know why his back didnt get aggravated during practice, Gary always said he had a good day, etc. And the whole team luncheon incident made him look like a real Jerk off in my eyes.
I've tried to tell people that the player's and coach's comments and Injury Reports must be taken with a grain of salt.

During the Texans only contact practice (Wednesday), Foster was listed "Limited," which means that he did not engage in contact activities. Then on Friday, he is listed as "Full," meaning that he had a great walk-through! I mentioned that I felt that if he were allowed to play, he would likely not make it through the game. If has back was what had him leave the back, you can be sure that it was a compensatory injury to his hamstring........and it would not surprise me if in addition he didn't re-aggravated his hamstring, whether he is listed as such or not.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
I don't know.. leg muscles and the back are pretty important to a RBs ability to play. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
Yup, we pretty much have to. IIRC, he'd have a substantial cap hit if he was cut.

I don't really question his heart. He was fighting his butt off before the injuries. Heck, he was the only one kickin butt during the Rams game. He was still going 100% even after the Rams put the game away in the 3rd. To me, that shows heart.

I can see doggin on players like Sharpton, but Foster? Not yet, not me anyway
 

chicagotexan2

Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I don't think he's quit. I think the tread on the tires has worn thin. I doubt well ever see him produce like he's done in the past.
 

JCTexan

Hall of Fame
Yup, we pretty much have to. IIRC, he'd have a substantial cap hit if he was cut.

I don't really question his heart. He was fighting his butt off before the injuries. Heck, he was the only one kickin butt during the Rams game. He was still going 100% even after the Rams put the game away in the 3rd. To me, that shows heart.

I can see doggin on players like Sharpton, but Foster? Not yet, not me anyway
Good point. Foster was practically the only offense we had against the Rams. The only question is why the coaches cleared him to play. He obviously wasn't healthy enough to.
 

Exascor

Veteran
Yup, we pretty much have to. IIRC, he'd have a substantial cap hit if he was cut.

I don't really question his heart. He was fighting his butt off before the injuries. Heck, he was the only one kickin butt during the Rams game. He was still going 100% even after the Rams put the game away in the 3rd. To me, that shows heart.

I can see doggin on players like Sharpton, but Foster? Not yet, not me anyway
I'm not ready to question his heart yet either. That said - he'd save the team $1.25 million if cut this offseason. I'd keep him around. That's not a hug savings. Now in 2015 he'll cost $9 million to the cap. Unless he returns to a healthy superstar in 2014, you cut him and save $4 million on the cap.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
Good point. Foster was practically the only offense we had against the Rams. The only question is why the coaches cleared him to play. He obviously wasn't healthy enough to.
Dunno, maybe Arian pushed to give it a go? The Colts injury was 'new' compared to the hammy.

I admit, I was kinda irked with him vs the Chiefs. He kinda left us hangin. But then again, that's when Black & Mild-gate happened
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
I think it's mostly injuries that are holding him back, and it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who looks at the history of RBs with 400+ touches in their previous year. At this point, I would give Arian at least 4 weeks off, and figure out what we have in guys like Dennis Johnson, who could be our #2 RB next year. I think a 1-2 punch of Foster and Johnson could be enough for the 2014 Texans, and it could reduce our RB priority in the draft. Get Dennis up to speed on pass protections, and he could be a nice, cheap #2.
Now, let's see. Why was this guy cut in TC? And nobody picked him up? Oh yeah, that's right! He couldn't hang on to the rock to save his life. The fact that he actually didn't cough it up even once against the Colts was amazing in itself.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
I don't think he's quit on anyone. In fact I don't see him as being sullen or weird or anything but a little frustrated and kind of confused. I doubt he expected to be hurting this often and this easily in 2013. He seemed like he went out of his way to get ready and things have just spiraled out of control. Foster needs a few weeks off and then should get worked back into the rotation but nowhere near as heavily as he was getting the ball. Spread the load among 2-3 backs and lets get into the offseason.
 

Exascor

Veteran
I don't think he's quit on anyone. In fact I don't see him as being sullen or weird or anything but a little frustrated and kind of confused. I doubt he expected to be hurting this often and this easily in 2013. He seemed like he went out of his way to get ready and things have just spiraled out of control. Foster needs a few weeks off and then should get worked back into the rotation but nowhere near as heavily as he was getting the ball. Spread the load among 2-3 backs and lets get into the offseason.
I think he needs to be protected from himself. He's so competitive that he thinks he can go. Team docs should make him take a few weeks off. Heck, if it would help recover long-term, IR him now. Season is over, why ruin this guys career over stats in meaningless games?
 

chenjy9

Rookie
Only complete retards would think a guy like Foster quit on his team. Even when the rest of our team were pissing away games, Foster always trucked on if he could. Guys who have it in the to quit don't pace up and down the sideline against the Ravens wanting to play. They don't get mad when they are benched for their backups. They don't push themselves hard during the offseason or try to push through injuries that affect their careers.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Like others have said, I don't think he's quit on anything. He's just ground down from last year. I hope he'll be able to recover -- some RBs never do. But I don't think it's because of a lack of desire or heart on his part.
 

phantom17

Rookie
I think we should shut him down for the rest of the year, and let him heal up and be ready for 2014. As excited as I am about Keenum, we aren't going to the playoffs this year. As someone stated, we need to see if Johnson is a viable #2 back...I thought he flashed some potential on Sunday night.


I agree! Let Johnson & Graham get some carries! Keenum & a healthy Foster next year could be special!
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
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I haven't heard much chatter about Foster the past couple days, but I have to say my opinion of him has fallen. The past two games he has taken himself out of the game after just four carries and one carry, respectively. I'm sure his hamstring, back, and calf are all really sore, but if they're that bad, he should never have taken an active roster spot. Meanwhile, Tate is out there gutting it up with broken ribs.

People used to ding Mario by saying he didn't try enough. But he went out there and played in the trenches every down against the largest guys on the field with all sorts of injuries. Hell, he played an entire season with plantar fasciitis, which I know personally leaves you crippled. He may not have played particularly well with those maladies, but he went out there.

And what was the general consensus when Colt McCoy pulled himself out of the national championship game? It wasn't that he was a tough gamer, I can tell you that.
That's about the only thing in that post I agree with. Foster shouldn't be out there. Doc said during preseason that Foster would have issues before the year was out. Doc was right, as usual.

And for the record, Tate probably ought to sit out a few weeks and heal too.

Like others have said, let's see what these younguns can do.
 

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
It's confusing why so many decide to assume the worst about Foster and his attitude. The dude works extremely hard in the offseason, and his attitude reflects a competitor with high standards. The irrationality of some fans peaked at the beginning of the season when they were talking about trading him. After the ability that Foster has demonstrated, that idea is terribly illogical.

The injuries don't confirm that his body is breaking down, just that it's changing. All athletes go through this and make adjustments. I was just listening to a long interview with Andre Johnson, and he described how he has changed up his workouts in accordance with his age. He doesn't even run on concrete anymore because it makes his knee swell up. In Foster's case, he overtrained in the offseason. He didn't allow recovery time, and the subsequent injuries have been compensatory. That doesn't mean he's done, it just means he needs to adjust his workouts and plan his recovery better. I envision Foster running for this team for a long time, because the way he runs deflects hits and punishment that typical runningbacks absorb.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Dunno, maybe Arian pushed to give it a go? The Colts injury was 'new' compared to the hammy.

I admit, I was kinda irked with him vs the Chiefs. He kinda left us hangin. But then again, that's when Black & Mild-gate happened
If you remember, he previously received epidural injections for his back problems. I said at that time that these injections may typically relieve symptoms for up to two months. He received those injections on Sept 18 and today is Nov 5. He compensated his still freshly ailing hamstring with additional stress on his back as the injection effects were wearing off........the perfect storm.

I'm not going to say that his career is near end, but his injury history and types are nearing critical level...........multiple recurrent serious tears to the same hamstring, and an apparent recurrent disc type of problems (ala Cody).
Unless something changes significantly, his career path will not going in the right direction.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
I've tried to tell people that the player's and coach's comments and Injury Reports must be taken with a grain of salt.

During the Texans only contact practice (Wednesday), Foster was listed "Limited," which means that he did not engage in contact activities. Then on Friday, he is listed as "Full," meaning that he had a great walk-through! I mentioned that I felt that if he were allowed to play, he would likely not make it through the game. If has back was what had him leave the back, you can be sure that it was a compensatory injury to his hamstring........and it would not surprise me if in addition he didn't re-aggravated his hamstring, whether he is listed as such or not.
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Thorn

Dirty Old Man
I don't doubt Arian's heart for a second. His body may be a different question though.
 

DocBar

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
AF had back issues in TC that were tied, by CnD to his calf, so it should be no surprise to anyone that he had a recurrance of his back problem after having a hammy issue.

The only issue I have is AF taking up a roster spot when BT has fractured ribs. Better to activate one of the new guys than rely on AF at that point.
 
If you remember, he previously received epidural injections for his back problems. I said at that time that these injections may typically relieve symptoms for up to two months. He received those injections on Sept 18 and today is Nov 5. He compensated his still freshly ailing hamstring with additional stress on his back as the injection effects were wearing off........the perfect storm.

I'm not going to say that his career is near end, but his injury history and types are nearing critical level...........multiple recurrent serious tears to the same hamstring, and an apparent recurrent disc type of problems (ala Cody).
Unless something changes significantly, his career path will not going in the right direction.
Well, this is pretty discouraging - especially after signing him to a new deal.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
I'm pretty sure I read an article a couple of years ago where an average NFL career is something like 3 1/2 years with RBs being even on the shorter end of that.
 

DocBar

Hall of Fame
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If you remember, he previously received epidural injections for his back problems. I said at that time that these injections may typically relieve symptoms for up to two months. He received those injections on Sept 18 and today is Nov 5. He compensated his still freshly ailing hamstring with additional stress on his back as the injection effects were wearing off........the perfect storm.

I'm not going to say that his career is near end, but his injury history and types are nearing critical level...........multiple recurrent serious tears to the same hamstring, and an apparent recurrent disc type of problems (ala Cody).
Unless something changes significantly, his career path will not going in the right direction.
To make it interesting, would you resign Tate or Foster, considering the injury history with both?
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
I think he hurt his back lifting that fat new wallet. I for one question his toughness and desire to play. He's not a stupid man. With the touches he's had, he knows they'll catch up and start affecting his quality of life - not that I blame him.
 

Naija Texan

Waterboy
I haven't heard much chatter about Foster the past couple days, but I have to say my opinion of him has fallen. The past two games he has taken himself out of the game after just four carries and one carry, respectively. I'm sure his hamstring, back, and calf are all really sore, but if they're that bad, he should never have taken an active roster spot. Meanwhile, Tate is out there gutting it up with broken ribs.

People used to ding Mario by saying he didn't try enough. But he went out there and played in the trenches every down against the largest guys on the field with all sorts of injuries. Hell, he played an entire season with plantar fasciitis, which I know personally leaves you crippled. He may not have played particularly well with those maladies, but he went out there.

And what was the general consensus when Colt McCoy pulled himself out of the national championship game? It wasn't that he was a tough gamer, I can tell you that.
The team ran the ball almost a record number of times last season, behind a suspect offensive line, not counting the pass plays he made with his feet toward the end of that season. Foster took hits, he came into the season banged up, worked himself back into Foster like production even as the rest of the team was floundering and then fell victim to a occurrence of injuries.

In a lost season, it would be stupid to risk your franchise RB, especially if he (who rarely has had injury issues before) is the one informing you about them. Can't believe how quick people are to turn on one of the teams best players, I guess running backs really are only valued these days by fantasy owners because it is obvious with the franchise having one of the better ones (who before injury had been in the top 3 for yards this season after a bad start) way too many in this fanbase don't appreciate him with all the talk about Tate being better when he's had worst issues and has missed more games due to injuries.
 

ThaJokaa

True Texans Fan
If I remember correctly, I'm not sure whether it was on this forums or another forum that I was on, but It had to do with Foster working out with his brother in the off season. It had to do with Foster's brothers training methods being extremely harsh on the body and unsafe .Apparently while they trained on Rice Univ. grounds all the trainers there would critique his methods for those reasons and would always tell him so, but I guess he's trainer is his trainer and they just went on. What are the possibilities that all of Foster's injuries are results from the off season training with his brother?
 

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
If I remember correctly, I'm not sure whether it was on this forums or another forum that I was on, but It had to do with Foster working out with his brother in the off season. It had to do with Foster's brothers training methods being extremely harsh on the body and unsafe .Apparently while they trained on Rice Univ. grounds all the trainers there would critique his methods for those reasons and would always tell him so, but I guess he's trainer is his trainer and they just went on. What are the possibilities that all of Foster's injuries are results from the off season training with his brother?
I don't know anything about the actual techniques, but I know these two facts: The training is intense, and Foster strained his calf on his first snap of OTA's.
 

Bulls on Parade

2017 Astros: Earn It!
Do you guys think the Texans will draft a running back in the 2014 NFL Draft, and in what round, considering Foster's constant injuries and Tate may leave in free agency?
 
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