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Tajh Boyd

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
Tajh Boyd from Clemson had an excellent year last year and has been great thus far this year. This is his 3rd year starting at Clemson. Through four games (more like 3.5) he is completing 64% of his passes with 8.7 YPA. He has 994 passing yards, 159 rushing yards, 9 TD passes and 4 rushing TDs with 0 interceptions.

Link to his college stats thus far.

Opinions seemed to be mixed on him on this boards, but I think most people like him. Personally, I think he fits the Texans well. He can extend plays with his feet, he shows up in big games, he's tough, and he is a winner. He is inaccurate at times, but nothing that can't be corrected.

What are your thoughts on his projection to the NFL, specifically the Texans?
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
One thing for sure, Boyd would get the ball to DeAndre more. He is my #1 Senior QB. Strong, durable, can extend plays, performs better under pressure which is a reflection a top level competitor. So I would feel comfortable he could handle this city's expectations of what a QB should be, plug & play as new leader of a more dynamic Texan offense, especially in the red zone.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
One thing for sure, Boyd would get the ball to DeAndre more. He is my #1 Senior QB. Strong, durable, can extend plays, performs better under pressure which is a reflection a top level competitor. So I would feel comfortable he could handle this city's expectations of what a QB should be, plug & play as new leader of a more dynamic Texan offense, especially in the red zone.
I like him a lot too .... easily the top SR QB in this class but I don't think the Texans pick will come up before his named is called unless they continue to underperform.

It would likely require a significant jump in draft position to get him as I think he goes (at this point) in the top 10 selections.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
I like him a lot too .... easily the top SR QB in this class but I don't think the Texans pick will come up before his named is called unless they continue to underperform.

It would likely require a significant jump in draft position to get him as I think he goes (at this point) in the top 10 selections.
Given another national embarrassment, seems there's only one thing to look forward to, the draft. Here is a good article from yesterday game -
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24024356/boyd-improves-heisman-nfl-stock-vs-syracuse
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
I like Boyd. He does have some fotwork issues that throw his accuracy off at times. He reminds me a lot of mcnabb and cutler. Compact,powerful guys with good feet. At times their mechanics will cause them to throw groundballs,but then they will make a lot of throws only a select few can make. He can go anywhere from 3 to 15.
 

thunderkyss

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF1v91Kb71s&noredirect=1

I believe that's all of Boyd's throws against Georgia 2013. I wasn't impressed. Everything out of the pistol, appears to be a one read, check down, run guy. Accuracy... not feeling it.

His arm doesn't look good enough to me. He floats anything over 10 yards (may be a little hyperbole here), but he does have good zip on the shorter throws. If I had to guess, he would struggle if he had to start his first year.

I like his size, he's thick, he's athletic.... may not be very tall, can't tell.

Now after that video ended, there was this highlight video of Marcus Mariota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdQcqop2R-w&noredirect=1

Still can't tell how tall he is, & he looks lanky.... Joe Flacco-ish, Matt Ryany...... But I like his arm. That's a big time arm. More athletic than Boyd & appears to be going through progressions. Even buying time looking for something downfield, before he decides to make a run for it.

I'm not a scout. I don't watch a lot of these kids. & I know it isn't fair to judge Boyd on one video (but it wasn't a highlight video, it was an every snap of this game video) But if I were to choose I'd go with Mariota.

Ok...... here's a highlight video of Boyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdldOjwn6i0&noredirect=1

His arm looks much better, his accuracy looks much better (but it is a highlight video). Still not impressed with him going through progressions. Looks like he's got his mind made up & he's waiting for his guy to open up.
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF1v91Kb71s&noredirect=1

I believe that's all of Boyd's throws against Georgia 2013. I wasn't impressed. Everything out of the pistol, appears to be a one read, check down, run guy. Accuracy... not feeling it.

His arm doesn't look good enough to me. He floats anything over 10 yards (may be a little hyperbole here), but he does have good zip on the shorter throws. If I had to guess, he would struggle if he had to start his first year.

I like his size, he's thick, he's athletic.... may not be very tall, can't tell.

Now after that video ended, there was this highlight video of Marcus Mariota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdQcqop2R-w&noredirect=1

Still can't tell how tall he is, & he looks lanky.... Joe Flacco-ish, Matt Ryany...... But I like his arm. That's a big time arm. More athletic than Boyd & appears to be going through progressions. Even buying time looking for something downfield, before he decides to make a run for it.

I'm not a scout. I don't watch a lot of these kids. & I know it isn't fair to judge Boyd on one video (but it wasn't a highlight video, it was an every snap of this game video) But if I were to choose I'd go with Mariota.

Ok...... here's a highlight video of Boyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdldOjwn6i0&noredirect=1

His arm looks much better, his accuracy looks much better (but it is a highlight video). Still not impressed with him going through progressions. Looks like he's got his mind made up & he's waiting for his guy to open up.
I agree with this post.
 

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
I liked his skill set, but his (lack of) performance against Florida State really put me off Boyd. I'm not interested in a QB who totally loses his composure like that... don't want a guy who folds.
 
I liked his skill set, but his (lack of) performance against Florida State really put me off Boyd. I'm not interested in a QB who totally loses his composure like that... don't want a guy who folds.
What's interesting is that his reputation, prior to that game, was that he was a guy who stepped up in big games.

I'm not sure that the FSU game wasn't an aberration. I still don't know that I would want to draft him, though.

I, personally, would sell the farm for Mariota.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
I liked his skill set, but his (lack of) performance against Florida State really put me off Boyd. I'm not interested in a QB who totally loses his composure like that... don't want a guy who folds.
What's interesting is that his reputation, prior to that game, was that he was a guy who stepped up in big games.

I'm not sure that the FSU game wasn't an aberration. I still don't know that I would want to draft him, though.

I, personally, would sell the farm for Mariota.
Boyd's problem in the FSU game is his OL was giving him less than 3 secs to get rid of the ball. I don't think there is a college QB today who would have performed any better. I don't think there is another college QB playing today with as many GW drives as Boyd.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Now after that video ended, there was this highlight video of Marcus Mariota


Still can't tell how tall he is, & he looks lanky.... Joe Flacco-ish, Matt Ryany...... But I like his arm. That's a big time arm. More athletic than Boyd & appears to be going through progressions. Even buying time looking for something downfield, before he decides to make a run for it.



His arm looks much better, his accuracy looks much better (but it is a highlight video). Still not impressed with him going through progressions. Looks like he's got his mind made up & he's waiting for his guy to open up.
Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.

What's interesting is that his reputation, prior to that game, was that he was a guy who stepped up in big games.

I'm not sure that the FSU game wasn't an aberration. I still don't know that I would want to draft him, though.

I, personally, would sell the farm for Mariota.
I thought the same thing about that FSU game .... Boyd has come up big several times in pressure situations over the past couple seasons.
I really liked him and had him as the top rated Sr QB but the past few weeks have me questioning his position again.

Not sold on Mariota ....
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.



I thought the same thing about that FSU game .... Boyd has come up big several times in pressure situations over the past couple seasons.
I really liked him and had him as the top rated Sr QB but the past few weeks have me questioning his position again.

Not sold on Mariota ....
Alot of those qbs coming out of those spread,veer systems have trouble with mechanics. When I see boyd, I see the same footwork flaws that mcnabb had. The question is, can he be coached up and become mechanically sound? If he can, I like alot of other things about boyd with some of his throws , but some of those mcnabb-ish ground balls raise a flag. Like mentioned before, not sold on mariotta and hundley looks like he needs another year of season.
 

thunderkyss

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Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.

Not sold on Mariota ....
Even better if we can get Mariota in the 4th.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.



I thought the same thing about that FSU game .... Boyd has come up big several times in pressure situations over the past couple seasons.
I really liked him and had him as the top rated Sr QB but the past few weeks have me questioning his position again.

Not sold on Mariota ....
Even better if we can get Mariota in the 4th.
Mariota's completion percentage is 64% (#33, 10/31/13)

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/755
 

steelbtexan

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I've said Boyd is overrated for awhile now. Every yr Clemson comes into the season highly rated and Clemson/Boyd lay a couple of eggs. His arm is avg, he doesn't read defenses well. As I've said before if you like Boyd, you should love Manziel. I dont like either one of them in the NFL.

Although I really love watching Johnny Football in college.

Steel B's QB ratings 1. Bridgewater 2. McCarron 3. Murray
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Even better if we can get Mariota in the 4th.
He likely doesn't last to the 4th overall much less the 4th round .... But I guess if you are gonna dream , dream big!

Mariota's completion percentage is 64% (#33, 10/31/13)

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/755
He has raised that number over the past couple weeks then .... He was at 56% two weeks ago while several of the others were over 70%.

Alot of those qbs coming out of those spread,veer systems have trouble with mechanics. When I see boyd, I see the same footwork flaws that mcnabb had. The question is, can he be coached up and become mechanically sound? If he can, I like alot of other things about boyd with some of his throws , but some of those mcnabb-ish ground balls raise a flag. Like mentioned before, not sold on mariotta and hundley looks like he needs another year of season.
McNabb might be a fair comparison mechanically .... agree on Hundley , he needs another year.
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
Steel B's QB ratings 1. Bridgewater 2. McCarron 3. Murray
I like Murray better than Bridgewater and McCarron third among those. He's had some of his best games against the best competition, and he is capable of slinging it against anyone. The NFL won't agree with me because of Murray's size, however. They are incapable of accurately evaluating talent under 6'2". I'm not overly excited about any of the prospects this year, to be honest. People keep saying it's a great QB draft, but I just don't see it.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I like Murray better than Bridgewater and McCarron third among those. He's had some of his best games against the best competition, and he is capable of slinging it against anyone. The NFL won't agree with me because of Murray's size, however. They are incapable of accurately evaluating talent under 6'2". I'm not overly excited about any of the prospects this year, to be honest. People keep saying it's a great QB draft, but I just don't see it.
I think the QB crop has not lived up to its billing. Looking only at the three QBs you identified, Bridgewater high first, Murray mid second and McCarron top 15 third which is more valuable to Texans at those picks? I like and mock McCarron in third.
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
I think the QB crop has not lived up to its billing. Looking only at the three QBs you identified, Bridgewater high first, Murray mid second and McCarron top 15 third which is more valuable to Texans at those picks? I like and mock McCarron in third.
McCarron looks like a 5th or later to me. He's a game manager on a great team. Good intangibles but nothing special.

Murray feels like a Kubiak pick to me for some reason. Hopefully it won't be Kubiaks decision who we draft next year.

Manzel just impresses the hell out of me on the field. However as much as he impresses me on it, he scares me off it. When asked the other day to name the three people he would like to party wight the most, his answer was tiger woods, Charlie sheen and rob gornowski (sp?).

I don't know if he was just being facetious or if he was serious. Either way shows he still has a lot of growing up to do.
 

steelbtexan

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McCarron looks like a 5th or later to me. He's a game manager on a great team. Good intangibles but nothing special.

Murray feels like a Kubiak pick to me for some reason. Hopefully it won't be Kubiaks decision who we draft next year.

Manzel just impresses the hell out of me on the field. However as much as he impresses me on it, he scares me off it. When asked the other day to name the three people he would like to party wight the most, his answer was tiger woods, Charlie sheen and rob gornowski (sp?).

I don't know if he was just being facetious or if he was serious. Either way shows he still has a lot of growing up to do.
McCarron is tall, can make all of the throws, can move around the pocket well and is obviously a leader.

Manziel obviously knows who to party with. People at the top of their fields.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
McCarron looks like a 5th or later to me. He's a game manager on a great team. Good intangibles but nothing special.

Murray feels like a Kubiak pick to me for some reason. Hopefully it won't be Kubiaks decision who we draft next year.

Manzel just impresses the hell out of me on the field. However as much as he impresses me on it, he scares me off it. When asked the other day to name the three people he would like to party wight the most, his answer was tiger woods, Charlie sheen and rob gornowski (sp?).

I don't know if he was just being facetious or if he was serious. Either way shows he still has a lot of growing up to do.
When you or anyone says things like bolded, you lose credit with me. McCarron makes all the throws and is extremely consistently good. You should read the following:

"In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite relatively poor individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, manages to perform well enough to win games.[1][2] Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams. The player is expected to not lose games with interceptions, fumbles, or poor decisions, particularly during important situations near the end of a game.[3][4]
The New York Times called it a "backhanded compliment".[5] The San Francisco Chronicle wrote, "As consolation ... Quarterbacks are called game managers only if they're winning."[6] The Associated Press opined, "But like any cliche, [game manager is] oversimplified". Former Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian laughed, "Every quarterback is a game manager, it's what the job is all about."[1] College coach Nick Saban added that "I don't think you can be a good quarterback unless you're a really good game manager."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_manager


You would defend your opinion better if you stated a negative McCarron (or any player)has then offered facts to support.
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
McCarron is tall, can make all of the throws, can move around the pocket well and is obviously a leader.

Manziel obviously knows who to party with. People at the top of their fields.
You said boyd arm is avg,but mccarron can make all the throws? I disagree on both accounts especially with boyd arm being avg. He has a powerful and compact delivery. He doesn't need a lot of footspace nor time to throw the ball outside the numbers. His biggest problem is mechanics.

When I watch mccarron,he always have a clean pocket. Look at the lineman in front of him and tell me when he's had to play under pressure in his face? How many nfl throws have u seen him make?Everytime I look up, his wrs are running butt naked.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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When I watch mccarron,he always have a clean pocket. Look at the lineman in front of him and tell me when he's had to play under pressure in his face? How many nfl throws have u seen him make?Everytime I look up, his wrs are running butt naked.
I wont get into the Boyd Vs McCarron debate ....


But I will state that I believe a large part of McCarron's success is because of the talent around him. He , to me , is a product of the system & talent around him.

He's got the best OL group in college football (arguably) along with lots of talent at RB , WR & TE.
The talent on his team , position by position is generally better than the talent of their opponents. He wont be afforded that luxury in the NFL where the great teams and the weakest teams are separated by very little in overall talent.

Its really difficult for me to gauge his stock because of that talent disparity. He has the #1 defense in the NCAA , other than A&M who put any pressure on them ?!

Good size , good arm , ~69% completion percentage but isn't asked to do much, isn't going to hurt defenses outside the pocket , never really tested.


What's his upside ?!
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
When you or anyone says things like bolded, you lose credit with me. McCarron makes all the throws and is extremely consistently good. You should read the following:

"In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite relatively poor individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, manages to perform well enough to win games.[1][2] Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams. The player is expected to not lose games with interceptions, fumbles, or poor decisions, particularly during important situations near the end of a game.[3][4]
The New York Times called it a "backhanded compliment".[5] The San Francisco Chronicle wrote, "As consolation ... Quarterbacks are called game managers only if they're winning."[6] The Associated Press opined, "But like any cliche, [game manager is] oversimplified". Former Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian laughed, "Every quarterback is a game manager, it's what the job is all about."[1] College coach Nick Saban added that "I don't think you can be a good quarterback unless you're a really good game manager."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_manager


You would defend your opinion better if you stated a negative McCarron (or any player)has then offered facts to support.
Seriously? I've been on this board for years. Followed the draft since before if was popular. I remember scouring every magazine and newspaper I could get my hands on when I was in middle school just to read about draft eligible players. Yes that was before the internet. I don't need you to give me the definition of game manager. Hell I'm a texans fan. If anyone knows what a game manager is its a texans fan.

I have watched McCarren many times. The only thing special about him is his girlfriend. He's slightly better than McElroy arm strength wise. Other than that they are pretty much the same player. I could be wrong but I see his ceiling as a career backup in the NFL.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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I could be wrong but I see his ceiling as a career backup in the NFL.
Im stuck between career backup & an Alex Smith type who just doesn't make any mistakes but isn't going to carry your team. Now if you have a team with a great running game & defense .... Alex Smith is just fine , just look at what he's done the past three seasons , something like 32-6.
 

htownfan32

Hall of Fame
While Manziel might be stupid off the field, I don't think he's a Terrell Owens type. On the field he's all about football.

Honestly I don't he parties any more than any other college star player. He just gets far more coverage than all the others. The NFL will bring some maturity in him, especially if he comes into a locker room with serious veterans. If he goes to an organization with rowdy players, he'll stay the same.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
McCarron so far 2013 - 69.4% completion average (consider afforded plus time/protection) 8.9 avg. per catch (suggests game management dink & dunk) 16 TD's vs 3 Int's (lower completion yardage increase ball security) 166.61 passer rating & 232.8 yards per.game

McCarron 2012 - 67.2 completion average, 9.3 avg. per catch 30 TD's vs 3 Int's. passer rating 175.28 & 209.5 yards per game (more effective running the ball).

McCarron 2011 - 66.8 completion average 8.0 avg. per catch 16 TD's vs 5 Int's 147.27 passer rating & 202.6 yards per game.

Game manager. Low ceiling. Consistently progressing but trending only slightly above average.

Boyd same number games for 2013 - 63.9 completion average, 8.5 yards per catch, 17 TD's vs 5 INT's 153.05 passer rating & 280.4 yards per game. Heavy on passing attack, unbalanced, more risk with inferior OL & running game.

Boyd 2012 with Hopkins - 67.2 completion average 9.1 yards per catch 36 TD's vs 13 Int's, 165.58 passer rating & 299.7 yards per game. Still heavy on passing attack but better balanced. Risk taker, strong arm.

Boyd 2011 - 59.7 completion average 7.7 yards per catch 33 TD's vs 12 Int's 141.17 passer rating & 273.4 yards per game.

Pass happy QB who developed more over his tenure than MaCarron but who still lacks game management & ball security skills. Natural leadership & athletic ability, still developing.

Even though Johnny Manziel has played only two years (redshirt sophomore) I would like to throw him into the mix just for comparison.

Manziel 2013 - 73.0 completion average 10.3 yards per catch 22 TD's vs 8 Int's 181.95 passer rating & 324.3 yards per game.

Manziel 2012 - 68.0 completion average 8.5 yards per catch 26 TD's 9 Int's 155.32 passer rating & 285.1 yards per game.

Most dynamic of three. Huge jump in averages across the board, still reckless @ times with ball, but clearly ascending higher. Likes to stretch the field (defenses). If he declares early? he will probably be rated only behind Bridgewater @ QB position. I seriously doubt Mariota will come out who is an entirely different cat all together.
 
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Corrosion

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While Manziel might be stupid off the field, I don't think he's a Terrell Owens type. On the field he's all about football.

Honestly I don't he parties any more than any other college star player. He just gets far more coverage than all the others. The NFL will bring some maturity in him, especially if he comes into a locker room with serious veterans. If he goes to an organization with rowdy players, he'll stay the same.

He's made a lot of improvement on the field this year too ... Arm strength & accuracy have both significantly improved. Not really so concerned with his reading defenses as he buys himself so much time with his mobility. Not many QB's I've seen can scramble like that while keeping their eyes down field.

If Keenum proves NOT to be the guy going forward and both Bridgewater & Mariota (I'm no Mariota fan) are both gone , I'd have to consider Manziel with that first round pick.

He definitely shouldn't be fed a diet of designed runs in the pro's but he could definitely extend some plays causing a lot of problems for defenses ....
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Seriously? I've been on this board for years. Followed the draft since before if was popular. I remember scouring every magazine and newspaper I could get my hands on when I was in middle school just to read about draft eligible players. Yes that was before the internet. I don't need you to give me the definition of game manager. Hell I'm a texans fan. If anyone knows what a game manager is its a texans fan.

I have watched McCarren many times. The only thing special about him is his girlfriend. He's slightly better than McElroy arm strength wise. Other than that they are pretty much the same player. I could be wrong but I see his ceiling as a career backup in the NFL.
The definition I posted definitely eliminates McCarron as a system QB so evidently you did not know it. I am not interested in your time on a MB (or mine either) as that implies nothing. Understand I am not attacking you but asking you to present something to support what you are saying. If you think AJ is poor passer or not mobile for example, say so.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I wont get into the Boyd Vs McCarron debate ....


But I will state that I believe a large part of McCarron's success is because of the talent around him. He , to me , is a product of the system & talent around him.

He's got the best OL group in college football (arguably) along with lots of talent at RB , WR & TE.
The talent on his team , position by position is generally better than the talent of their opponents. He wont be afforded that luxury in the NFL where the great teams and the weakest teams are separated by very little in overall talent.

Its really difficult for me to gauge his stock because of that talent disparity. He has the #1 defense in the NCAA , other than A&M who put any pressure on them ?!

Good size , good arm , ~69% completion percentage but isn't asked to do much, isn't going to hurt defenses outside the pocket , never really tested.


What's his upside ?!
How would he do on Texans? HOF WR, 1st round Hopkins, Pro Bowler D. Brown, Foster and decent TEs. Seems like a very good fit.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
McCarron so far 2013 - 69.4% completion average (consider afforded plus time/protection) 8.9 avg. per catch (suggests game management dink & dunk) 16 TD's vs 3 Int's (lower completion yardage increase ball security) 166.61 passer rating & 232.8 yards per.game

McCarron 2012 - 67.2 completion average, 9.3 avg. per catch 30 TD's vs 3 Int's. passer rating 175.28 & 209.5 yards per game (more effective running the ball).

McCarron 2011 - 66.8 completion average 8.0 avg. per catch 16 TD's vs 5 Int's 147.27 passer rating & 202.6 yards per game.

Game manager. Low ceiling. Consistently progressing but trending only slightly above average.

Boyd same number games for 2013 - 63.9 completion average, 8.5 yards per catch, 17 TD's vs 5 INT's 153.05 passer rating & 280.4 yards per game. Heavy on passing attack, unbalanced, more risk with inferior OL & running game.

Boyd 2012 with Hopkins - 67.2 completion average 9.1 yards per catch 36 TD's vs 13 Int's, 165.58 passer rating & 299.7 yards per game. Still heavy on passing attack but better balanced. Risk taker, strong arm.

Boyd 2011 - 59.7 completion average 7.7 yards per catch 33 TD's vs 12 Int's 141.17 passer rating & 273.4 yards per game.

Pass happy QB who developed more over his tenure than MaCarron but who still lacks game management & ball security skills. Natural leadership & athletic ability, still developing.

Even though Johnny Manziel has played only two years (redshirt sophomore) I would like to throw him into the mix just for comparison.

Manziel 2013 - 73.0 completion average 10.3 yards per catch 22 TD's vs 8 Int's 181.95 passer rating & 324.3 yards per game.

Manziel 2012 - 68.0 completion average 8.5 yards per catch 26 TD's 9 Int's 155.32 passer rating & 285.1 yards per game.

Most dynamic of three. Huge jump in averages across the board, still reckless @ times with ball, but clearly ascending higher. Likes to stretch the field (defenses). If he declares early? he will probably be rated only behind Bridgewater @ QB position. I seriously doubt Mariota will come out who is an entirely different cat all together.
Well Done! Manziel runs better and nobody sees the football field as well as Manziel
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
McCarron so far 2013 - 69.4% completion average (consider afforded plus time/protection) 8.9 avg. per catch (suggests game management dink & dunk) 16 TD's vs 3 Int's (lower completion yardage increase ball security) 166.61 passer rating & 232.8 yards per.game

McCarron 2012 - 67.2 completion average, 9.3 avg. per catch 30 TD's vs 3 Int's. passer rating 175.28 & 209.5 yards per game (more effective running the ball).

McCarron 2011 - 66.8 completion average 8.0 avg. per catch 16 TD's vs 5 Int's 147.27 passer rating & 202.6 yards per game.

Game manager. Low ceiling. Consistently progressing but trending only slightly above average.

Boyd same number games for 2013 - 63.9 completion average, 8.5 yards per catch, 17 TD's vs 5 INT's 153.05 passer rating & 280.4 yards per game. Heavy on passing attack, unbalanced, more risk with inferior OL & running game.

Boyd 2012 with Hopkins - 67.2 completion average 9.1 yards per catch 36 TD's vs 13 Int's, 165.58 passer rating & 299.7 yards per game. Still heavy on passing attack but better balanced. Risk taker, strong arm.

Boyd 2011 - 59.7 completion average 7.7 yards per catch 33 TD's vs 12 Int's 141.17 passer rating & 273.4 yards per game.

Pass happy QB who developed more over his tenure than MaCarron but who still lacks game management & ball security skills. Natural leadership & athletic ability, still developing.

Even though Johnny Manziel has played only two years (redshirt sophomore) I would like to throw him into the mix just for comparison.

Manziel 2013 - 73.0 completion average 10.3 yards per catch 22 TD's vs 8 Int's 181.95 passer rating & 324.3 yards per game.

Manziel 2012 - 68.0 completion average 8.5 yards per catch 26 TD's 9 Int's 155.32 passer rating & 285.1 yards per game.

Most dynamic of three. Huge jump in averages across the board, still reckless @ times with ball, but clearly ascending higher. Likes to stretch the field (defenses). If he declares early? he will probably be rated only behind Bridgewater @ QB position. I seriously doubt Mariota will come out who is an entirely different cat all together.
You identified with parenthesis that McCarron's 8.9 YPC suggest he is a game manager, dinker and dunker yet not the same for Boyd at 8.3? Please clarify.

Clemson's rushing average per game is 174, Alabama's 210 so maybe McCarron does not have to pass as much?
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
McCarron reminds me...Matt Leinhert. Best of the best around him, makes a couple of plays, has a monster OL. Made Leinhert a ton of money base off of inflated college stats but zero production in the NFL. JMO.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
You identified with parenthesis that McCarron's 8.9 YPC suggest he is a game manager, dinker and dunker yet not the same for Boyd at 8.3? Please clarify.

Clemson's rushing average per game is 174, Alabama's 210 so maybe McCarron does not have to pass as much?
that in itself implies the definition of a game manager :swatter:

plus Boyd's OL does not compare to Alabama.
 

steelbtexan

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McCarron reminds me...Matt Leinhert. Best of the best around him, makes a couple of plays, has a monster OL. Made Leinhert a ton of money base off of inflated college stats but zero production in the NFL. JMO.
McCarron has a much stronger arm than Leinhart ever had.

Luck had a monster OL with draft picks on his OL (DeCastro/Martin) 2 TE's (Fleener/Toililo) RB (Taylor) and really good college WR's (Owasu/Whalen) and nobody compared him to Leinhart. BTW Luck only won 1 bowl game. (So obviously he stunk. (Sarcasm////)

I like the way McCarron took his team down the field in less than 2 mins against LSU's defense in time of crisis with NC hopes on the line.

McCarron has the size/mobility/leadership qualities/ his arm is plenty strong enough to make all of the throws and I believe he has much room to improve as a pro. Because like all leaders he has a strong work ethic.

Hence McCarron #2 on Steel B's QB board.
 

thunderkyss

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Im stuck between career backup & an Alex Smith type who just doesn't make any mistakes but isn't going to carry your team. Now if you have a team with a great running game & defense .... Alex Smith is just fine , just look at what he's done the past three seasons , something like 32-6.
watching this conversation about McCarron for some reason has me thinking of Troy Aikman. Not "flashy" like Romo or Manziel, but the things he did in the pocket won the Cowboys many a game.

I think he fits badboy's description of game manager to a tee. But he wasn't a game manager.
 

Corrosion

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How would he do on Texans? HOF WR, 1st round Hopkins, Pro Bowler D. Brown, Foster and decent TEs. Seems like a very good fit.
How'd Matt Schaub fit until this season .... Well enough to make a couple wildcard came wins and divisional round exits.


watching this conversation about McCarron for some reason has me thinking of Troy Aikman. Not "flashy" like Romo or Manziel, but the things he did in the pocket won the Cowboys many a game.

I think he fits badboy's description of game manager to a tee. But he wasn't a game manager.
That's why I think his upside is Alex Smith ..... who has a team much like Aikman's Sh!tpies. Very good defense , very good running game .... tho Aikman did have better weapons at WR/TE.
 

Texian

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McCarron has a much stronger arm than Leinhart ever had.

Luck had a monster OL with draft picks on his OL (DeCastro/Martin) 2 TE's (Fleener/Toililo) RB (Taylor) and really good college WR's (Owasu/Whalen) and nobody compared him to Leinhart. BTW Luck only won 1 bowl game. (So obviously he stunk. (Sarcasm////)

I like the way McCarron took his team down the field in less than 2 mins against LSU's defense in time of crisis with NC hopes on the line.

McCarron has the size/mobility/leadership qualities/ his arm is plenty strong enough to make all of the throws and I believe he has much room to improve as a pro. Because like all leaders he has a strong work ethic.

Hence McCarron #2 on Steel B's QB board.
A good objective analysis and not done with a preconceived idea of wanting McCarron to fail. McCarron has been outstanding when the game is on the the line. This is one of my the most important and critical evaluation considerations. This was also strongly evident in SEC Championship game against Georgia last year. Not only does he step up when the game is on the line, he doesn't make many mistakes, far less than his competition.
 

mussop

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The definition I posted definitely eliminates McCarron as a system QB so evidently you did not know it. I am not interested in your time on a MB (or mine either) as that implies nothing. Understand I am not attacking you but asking you to present something to support what you are saying. If you think AJ is poor passer or not mobile for example, say so.
You go with whatever definition you want. Just because you find something on the internet doesn't mean it's the standard everyone should go by. I have watched him play many times. He gives me the game manager vibe. Like another poster here said, he reminds me of an Alex smith type QB. Alex smith has some pretty dam good stats over the last two years also yet he is widely considered a game manager by almost anyone you talk to.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
After seeing two games of Keenum's arm and mobility, I don't want a new QB. I want the guy we already have at least for one more season. Keenum's arm is starting to remind me more and more of Aaron Rodgers.
 
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