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"Texans' QB Case Keenum earns Chiefs' respect with Poise, Big Plays"

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Entering the Chiefs' 17-16 win over the Texans on Sunday, it seemed reasonable to think Houston's second-year quarterback would be in for a long day.
Not only would Case Keenum, a man who went undrafted in 2012 due to his perceived lack of arm strength and mobility, be making his first career start on the road, he would be doing it at a rejuvenated Arrowhead Stadium, against the NFL's most ferocious pass rush.

But by the end of the day, even though the Texans lost, let's just say Keenum had made it clear he wasn't the overwhelmed, wide-eyed kid they expected him to be.

“The guy can definitely move around back there, buy some time for his receivers to get open and he has the arm strength to make the big play down the field,” said Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith. “I found that out the hard way.”
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Safety Quintin Demps, who played with Keenum last season in Houston, wasn't necessarily surprised by Keenum's strong day. Keenum, 25, was a scout team quarterback last season as he learned Houston's offense under coach Gary Kubiak, whom Demps regards as one of the league's best quarterback gurus.

Demps remembers seeing Keenum make enough plays against the first-string defense to think he should have been drafted.

“I told y'all Keenum can play,” Demps said. “He's gonna be good ... he's got good composure. He's like a fourth-year guy as a rookie. That's very rare.”

At the end of the day, the combination of the Chiefs' ferocious defense and Arrowhead Stadium won out, as Keenum ended up leading his team to only one first down (while taking four sacks) in the crucial fourth quarter.

But in the process, Keenum still won the respect of the Chiefs, at least three of whom mentioned his “promising future” when discussing his day afterward.

“He definitely came in and played better than I thought he would,” Smith said. “He showed a lot of poise and confidence back there.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html#storylink=cpy
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Just as I predicted, Keenum had an outstanding performance in his NFL Debut
vs the Chiefs.
 
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.
 
bOODRO87 said:
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.
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31 other teams didn't draft Keenum just like 31 other teams didn't draft Arian Foster, but Kubiak managed to get them both signed and on his PS, brought them along/developed them, and eventually got them both on the field and playing in this league.
 
I stand by my statement. They gave Schaub a more than fair contract when you can get equal or better play from your third stringer.

This organization does not make good decisions and I'm sure I don't have to explain.
 
i mean...unless they don't like you personally for whatever reason, no other player is gonna say anything bad about another player...it's comical people keep bringing in these player quotes like they mean something.
 
bOODRO87 said:
I stand by my statement. They gave Schaub a more than fair contract when you can get equal or better play from your third stringer.

This organization does not make good decisions and I'm sure I don't have to explain.
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I'm thinking that Keenum just started coming into his own this year (not during his rookie year in 2012), which meant Schaub had already been resigned to his new contract. Am I right about that ?
Now resigning Schaub in 2012, to me that's a different issue and something that we might both second-guess a lot especially after Matt's performances in recent games.
 
I was went into Sunday's game relatively indifferent. Keenam impressed me and it LOOKED like he impressed the Chiefs. After the two minute warning they could shoved the ball down our throats and put more points on the board, but instead they elected to run out the clock and beat a team by a point whom they were predicted to obliterate. My hat is off to both young Mr. Keenam for facing a hell of a football team and not blinking and to Coach Andy Reed for being a class act. :tiphat:
 
Dread-Head said:
I was went into Sunday's game relatively indifferent. Keenam impressed me and it LOOKED like he impressed the Chiefs. After the two minute warning they could shoved the ball down our throats and put more points on the board, but instead they elected to run out the clock and beat a team by a point whom they were predicted to obliterate. My hat is off to both young Mr. Keenam for facing a hell of a football team and not blinking and to Coach Andy Reed for being a class act. :tiphat:
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I agree that Andy Reid isn't the type to run up the score, but they also had an obvious strategic reason not to score again. If they did, we would get the ball back down only 8.
 
Dread-Head said:
I was went into Sunday's game relatively indifferent. Keenam impressed me and it LOOKED like he impressed the Chiefs. After the two minute warning they could shoved the ball down our throats and put more points on the board, but instead they elected to run out the clock and beat a team by a point whom they were predicted to obliterate. My hat is off to both young Mr. Keenam for facing a hell of a football team and not blinking and to Coach Andy Reed for being a class act. :tiphat:
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Yes, he is and always has been. In addition to being a very good HC. If only we were lucky enough to get a coach as good as Reid
 
Playoffs said:
I don't want to start hearing this isht, again. It's what good teams say about bad teams. :hankpalm:
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This is a different circumstance. The Chiefs players gave Keenum no respect (Basically just loading up against the run and daring him to beat him) and he was making them pay for it. Once our running game fizzled out due to injuries it was really clear that the O-line couldn't handle their monster pass rush and that was all she really wrote.

I think if you continue to see losses and this kind of stuff comes out then yeah you can go back to hankhill mode.
 
Mr teX said:
i mean...unless they don't like you personally for whatever reason, no other player is gonna say anything bad about another player...it's comical people keep bringing in these player quotes like they mean something.
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What's comical is people that keep writing them off like they don't mean anything and for what reason? I know people in KC, they want to trade Alex Smith for Keenum. What people are saying isn't just lip service, they mean something.
 
IDEXAN said:
31 other teams didn't draft Keenum just like 31 other teams didn't draft Arian Foster, but Kubiak managed to get them both signed and on his PS, brought them along/developed them, and eventually got them both on the field and playing in this league.
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When it comes to decision making as to whom should start as who is the best option like Arian Foster Case Keenum should have been starting if not week one definitely after the Seattle game. Kubiak is wasting another year by making dumb decisions.
 
cstyle42 said:
When it comes to decision making as to whom should start as who is the best option like Arian Foster Case Keenum should have been starting if not week one definitely after the Seattle game. Kubiak is wasting another year by making dumb decisions.
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Kubiak excels at making dumb decisions.
 
Carr Bombed said:
What's comical is people that keep writing them off like they don't mean anything and for what reason? I know people in KC, they want to trade Alex Smith for Keenum. What people are saying isn't just lip service.
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What do you think they were going to say though? "oh, he made a few plays against us, but he's not that good & we proved it.." Even if he sucked, they still wouldn't have said that.

I mean c'mon, they're just being professionals...I just don't put alot of stock into quotes from active players of the opposing team....

These are the same guys who'll talk smack trying to get into a players' head before a game & then completely 180 after the game if that particular player has a good game against them....you gotta take those quotes with a grain of salt.
 
Mr teX said:
What do you think they were going to say though? "oh, he made a few plays against us, but he's not that good & we proved it.." Even if he sucked, they still wouldn't have said that.

I mean c'mon, they're just being professionals...I just don't put alot of stock into quotes from active players of the opposing team....

These are the same guys who'll talk smack trying to get into a players' head before a game & then completely 180 after the game if that particular player has a good game against them....you gotta take those quotes with a grain of salt.
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:toropalm: If you were just going to say something nice to say something nice, because you don't dislike a guy.. you'd simply say "yes, he played well". You wouldn't go into detail raving about his play or talked about how he looked like a 4 year vet as a rook or talked about how rare that is, so yes, the comments are telling and they mean something.
 
Players will generally avoid being too negative about opposing players. At the same time it's rare that they will go too far in the other direction. Some of this is just general politeness while a few of the comments do border on being genuinely positive/impressed. People who like Keenum will see it all as affirmation of their beliefs. People who aren't sold on him will discount it and try to claim it is all meaningless. Nothing new here.
 
Carr Bombed said:
:toropalm: If you were just going to say something nice to say something nice, because you don't dislike a guy.. you'd simply say "yes, he played well". You wouldn't go into detail raving about his play or talked about how he looked like a 4 year vet as a rook or talked about how rare that is, so yes, the comments are telling and they mean something.
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Lol, you know damn well the media wasn't letting them get away with a simple ass response like that...Especially since i'm sure they had to field multiple questions about him...

& most of the time in those situations, players aren't going to **** on a player they just played, even he did suck.... unless they don't like him....It's usually players that aren't playing anymore (Derrick Ward) or players from other teams who come with the negative stuff.

I liken it to when Schaub got injured and a few cheered a few weeks back..... that's all you heard & seen the players talking about & it made them look like they were whinning......but it was really all the media asked them about & made it seem bigger & more negative than it actually was....I'm sure there was a little bit of that going on here as well.

Nevertheless, there are 52 guys on the other team...it's not that hard to find someone to say something good or bad about a situation.....if you're really trying to look anyway.
 
Hervoyel said:
Players will generally avoid being too negative about opposing players. At the same time it's rare that they will go too far in the other direction. Some of this is just general politeness while a few of the comments do border on being genuinely positive/impressed. People who like Keenum will see it all as affirmation of their beliefs. People who aren't sold on him will discount it and try to claim it is all meaningless. Nothing new here.
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I've followed this game too long to not recognize "coach speak/player speak/lip service" when I see it.. This isn't it. General politeness is not saying "I told you he would be good and he looked like a 4 year vet". There's backups that have to make starts in this league all the time.. how often does a opposing team say those type of remarks in a attempt to just be polite?
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, you know damn well the media wasn't letting them get away with a simple ass response like that...Especially since i'm sure they had to field multiple questions about him...

& most of the time in those situations, players aren't going to **** on a player they just played, even he did suck.... unless they don't like him....It's usually players that aren't playing anymore (Derrick Ward) or players from other teams who come with the negative stuff.

I liken it to when Schaub got injured and a few cheered a few weeks back..... that's all you heard & seen the players talking about & it made them look like they were whinning......but it was really all the media asked them about & made it seem bigger & more negative than it actually was....I'm sure there was a little bit of that going on here as well.

Nevertheless, there are 52 guys on the other team...it's not that hard to find someone to say something good or bad about a situation.....if you're really trying to look anyway.
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LOL, Look at all the hurdles you have to jump over just to dispel these comments. Why?
 
Carr Bombed said:
LOL, Look at all the hurdles you have to jump over just to dispel these comments. Why?
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It's not "hurdles" I'm simply saying that i don't put alot of stock into what alot of these players say is all.

Hell, earlier in the year Andre said that schaub "had a different look in his eye this year.."

didn't put much into that either....players go to bat for players...unless of course they don't like them.
 
Mr teX said:
It's not "hurdles" I'm simply saying that i don't put alot of stock into what alot of these players say is all.

Hell, earlier in the year Andre said that schaub "had a different look in his eye this year.."

didn't put much into that either....players go to bat for players...unless of course they don't like them.
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Complete B.S. Let's look deeper into these comments as they are much more than "had a different look in his eye"

“I told y'all Keenum can play,” Demps said. “He's gonna be good ... he's got good composure. He's like a fourth-year guy as a rookie. That's very rare.”
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These are not the comments of somebody just going to bat for a opposing player or someone who's just trying to "be polite" or is held up by the local media and is being squeezed for a response.

In order for Demps to say "I told you so".. he obviously had to already believe in what he said.. long before the media ever pressed him for a response. Then he went on to talk about his composure, how he played like a vet, and how rare that is. So no, these aren't just ho hum "he played well" comments from a player who's just looking to shrug off a reporter while he's on his way to the locker room.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Complete B.S. Let's look deeper into these comments as they are much more than "had a different look in his eye"



These are not the comments of somebody just going to bat for a opposing player or someone who's just trying to "be polite" or is held up by the local media and is being squeezed for a response.

In order for Demps to say "I told you so".. he obviously had to already believe in what he said.. long before the media ever pressed him for a response. Then he went on to talk about his composure, how he played like a vet, and how rare that is. So no, these aren't just ho hum "he played well" comments from a player who's just looking to shrug off a reporter while he's on his way to the locker room.
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Carr Bombed,

It's kind of fruitless to argue. Some people will not give credit where credit is due, no matter how plain it is.

Did Keenum make mistakes? Yes. Does he have a lot of room for improvement? Yes. But he played darn well, enough in my mind to earn not only another start, but enough to earn the respect of the opponent. You're right, this is not just political correctness talking. But, we're not supposed to believe them, because they're just saying something nice. Ridiculous.

Why don't we compare how Keenum did in his first start with Andrew Luck's first start, last year in Chicago against the Bears? I think you'll find that Keenum did much better, and I would imagine that Bears defense, although tough, was no better than the defense Keenum went up against yesterday.

No one is saying Keenum will be the next Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or even Luck. What we are saying is that he earned another shot.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Complete B.S. Let's look deeper into these comments as they are much more than "had a different look in his eye"



These are not the comments of somebody just going to bat for a opposing player or someone who's just trying to "be polite" or is held up by the local media and is being squeezed for a response.

In order for Demps to say "I told you so".. he obviously had to already believe in what he said.. long before the media ever pressed him for a response. Then he went on to talk about his composure, how he played like a vet, and how rare that is. So no, these aren't just ho hum "he played well" comments from a player who's just looking to shrug off a reporter while he's on his way to the locker room.
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Jesus christ.. :toropalm:

I won't be all in on Keenum until i see at least 2-3 more games of him. & no amount of player interviews, messageboard armchair qbs & coaches or talk radio hosts are going to convince me to believe or think something about him otherwise...sorry.

you're entitled to read into whatever you want to as much as i am allowed to not do it...why is that so hard for you to come to grips with?
 
Mr teX said:
Jesus christ.. :toropalm:

I won't be all in on Keenum until i see at least 2-3 more games of him. & no amount of player interviews, messageboard armchair qbs & coaches or talk radio hosts are going to convince me to believe or think something about him otherwise...sorry.
you're entitled to read into whatever you want to as much as i am allowed to not do it...why is that so hard for you to come to grips with?
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So you admit that the reason why you're dispelling these comments from opposing players is entirely due to the fact that you personally "aren't sold", "convinced", and haven't "seen enough". It has nothing to do with what they actually said or why (like just trying to be polite) they said it,..

Because you're not "sold yet" means everything anybody else says doesn't mean anything.

Well at least you're honest.
 
Nawzer said:
Another moral victory thread. Nothing against Case but as a fan base we should expect more out of our teams.
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This isn't a moral victory thread.. and the fan base does expect more out of our team, which is why the fan base is rooting for change and the success of a new QB which represents change, that is literally us expecting more.

I mean it's not like just because people on the opposing team had something positive to say about a first time starter means Texan fans are happy with losing (I'm still mad about yesterday and our 2-5 record), so how is this a moral victory thread? The fan base isn't the problem here.
 
Carr Bombed said:
So you admit that the reason why you're dispelling these comments from opposing players is entirely due to the fact that you personally "aren't sold", "convinced", and haven't "seen enough". It has nothing to do with what they actually said or why (like just trying to be polite) they said it,..

Because you're not "sold yet" means everything anybody else says doesn't mean anything.

Well at least you're honest.
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don't put words in my mouth...i never said it didn't mean anything...i just said i don't put much stock into it.

& What's to admit? my stance on him has been the same since before he was announced the starter. the only disagreement i have with many of you in here is that i thought we should've waited until the season was clearly over before we gave him his shot...which going by how this season is going, that'll probably be in 2 weeks.

It's you guys who act like some of us don't have the right to be (at least me anyway) cautiously optimistic...in other words stand back & objectively look at things....we get labeled haters b/c we haven't gone all in after 1 game...in your case after 1 damn quarter...
 
Mr teX said:
don't put words in my mouth...i never said it didn't mean anything...i just said i don't put much stock into it.

& What's to admit? my stance on him has been the same since before he was announced the starter. the only disagreement i have with many of you in here is that i thought we should've waited until the season was clearly over before we gave him his shot...which going by how this season is going, that'll probably be in 2 weeks.

It's you guys who act like some of us don't have the right to be (at least me anyway) cautiously optimistic...in other words stand back & objectively look at things....we get labeled haters b/c we haven't gone all in after 1 game...in your case after 1 damn quarter...
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Well apparently by your comments this is way more than "players just being held up by the media and wanting to be polite to a guy they don't dislike"

As far as waiting for the season being over.. the season was clearly over before it even started. It was clearly over last year when Schaub regressed and went into his nose dive and choked away a opportunity at HFA and the number 1 seed in the AFC. Even objective people can recognize that.. That's why it only took 1 damn quarter to see the writing on the wall.
 
It was already posted... apparently the chief players didn't really mean what they said and were just being polite, because they don't dislike the player. :rolleyes:
 
bOODRO87 said:
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.
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What makes you think Kubiak was going to waive him this season? Everything I've seen since they extended Schaub says they believed Keenum to be our starting QB in 2014.

bOODRO87 said:
I stand by my statement. They gave Schaub a more than fair contract when you can get equal or better play from your third stringer.

This organization does not make good decisions and I'm sure I don't have to explain.
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There are 7 QBs with $100M contracts. None of them are Matt Schaub. He's making good money as a starter & before 2013, he was a good starter.

I liked the QB plan for this season. Given that Matt Schaub had an offseason to get healthy I thought it was safe to assume we'd get somewhere around 10 games before his LisFranc would have been an issue.... 8 at the least. Keenum obviously passed whatever test there was, so I thought the plan was to get him ready to be the #2 around the bye week. Until then, Tj is the #2.

If Matt's foot becomes a problem after week 8-10..... Keenum comes in finishes off the season & starts 2014 as the starter. Matt most likely felt he was being pushed all along & that's what led to his performance to date.
 
bOODRO87 said:
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.
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If you can point us to any post you made prior to the 2012 draft stating your belief in Keenum, and that he should've been drafted, then you'll have a modicum of clout. Otherwise...
 
Surreal McCoy said:
If you can point us to any post you made prior to the 2012 draft stating your belief in Keenum, and that he should've been drafted, then you'll have a modicum of clout. Otherwise...
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I called it even better than Keenum.

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Originally Posted by bOODRO87 View Post
I wish we would pick up Russell Wilson QB from Wisconsin late in the draft. The kid seems smart and is very mobile while throwing strong. I think he'll be like Brees. Keep Schaub one more year, then let TJ and Russell duel it out.
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http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=517258&highlight=Russell+Wilson#post517258

Posted 3-14-12. Man, was I right or was I right? :doot:
 
game recognize game.

its quite refreshing to see in a loss your QB praised as opposed to schaub who gets called out for being soft by other nfl players.
 
76Texan said:
Big deal; I wanted the Texans to take both Wilson and Keenum so that one can be the insurance policy for the other in case of injury.
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Well, don't hold out on us. Lay it out. I just wanted to prove that Schaub could have been easily replaced instead of re-signing him. I was right on the money.
 
bOODRO87 said:
Well, don't hold out on us. Lay it out. I just wanted to prove that Schaub could have been easily replaced instead of re-signing him. I was right on the money.
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It doesn't matter. We didn't marry ourselves to Schaub with some ridiculous contract. We paid him a starters wage, not an elite wage. We can cut him at the end of the season with little repercussion.

It was a, "You have two seasons to win a Super Bowl" contract. Nothing more, nothing less.

& this is the second year.
 
"Look at me, look at me I was right and you were wrong, nanny nanny boo boo"

We need a cookie emoticon for everyone who needs to feel vindicated and craves the attention, geez.
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn't matter. We didn't marry ourselves to Schaub with some ridiculous contract. We paid him a starters wage, not an elite wage. We can cut him at the end of the season with little repercussion.

It was a, "You have two seasons to win a Super Bowl" contract. Nothing more, nothing less.

& this is the second year.
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What a HUGE mistake it was giving Schaub the deal before seeing how he would play an entire season coming from the Linsfranc injury. Now Ed Reed.. Rick set us back with those two moves. Fire-able offenses. But that's a whole other thread.


Uncle Rico said:
"Look at me, look at me I was right and you were wrong, nanny nanny boo boo"

We need a cookie emoticon for everyone who needs to feel vindicated and craves the attention, geez.
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Nostradamus ain't got sh*t on me!

Thanks for playing, guys. Proceed with the major failure of a season. :handshake:
 
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