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Pro Football Talk, everybody's love-to-hate rumor mill, is "reporting" that it's source for the early [?] posting of the Reeves rumor was the SAME SOURCE as it had for the prior JJ OFFERED JOB & TURNED IT DOWN rumor. And that very same source is also now saying that JJ is talking to the Fords about the Lions job, which I know has been reported before, but is given slight additional credibility by the foregoing. Unless ALL of ProFootballTalk.com is like made up by the guy in the first place.

Still, it's a pi$$er that JJ would be interested in the Lions job and not the Texans job?
 
Ford's Wallet.. if it is bigger.. isnt MUCH bigger. I beleive McNair is in the top 5 on the "wealthiest NFL owners" list.
 
One question that I have not seen asked, and I do not know the answer, is whether or not JJ's network contract is up. He may be leveraging his past and the hype into a larger deal.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
One question that I have not seen asked, and I do not know the answer, is whether or not JJ's network contract is up. He may be leveraging his past and the hype into a larger deal.
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Clearly no one would go that far in getting a better contract!! ;)
 
I don't know this for a fact but I would think Jimmy has some kind of "out" clause if he wants to accept a football coaching job. Just a thought. He'd make sure that FOX contract covered anything he wanted I'm sure.
 
rockabilly said:
Obviously the Fords own Ford. But what is it that McNair did or does to get his riches?
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Actually McNair is worth more than Ford. According to the Forbes 400 in 2004. McNair is # 165 worth 1.5 Billion Dollars and made his money in the oil and gas industry. He is a self made Billionaire. While William Ford Sr inherited Ford and is ranked #278 and worth 1 billion dollars.

As far as franchise worth. The Texans are ranked #3 in the NFL and worth $905 million and the Lions are worth $747 milllion and ranked #14.

I would say that McNair has the deeper pockets.
 
McNair is not completely self made since he had family with cash already, but he built what they had and became a billionaire. Also in the franchise worth are the Redskins and Cowgirls above us. We are in one of the largest football markets. I would guess NE and SF would be somewere around the top also. Kraft has some deep pockets.
 
Coach C. said:
McNair is not completely self made since he had family with cash already, but he built what they had and became a billionaire. Also in the franchise worth are the Redskins and Cowgirls above us. We are in one of the largest football markets. I would guess NE and SF would be somewere around the top also. Kraft has some deep pockets.
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Don't forget Wal-Mart heir and co-owner of the Rams, Stan Kroenke.
 
eeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh wrong.

McNair was poor before he was rich. He moved from Florida cause the business he was running there failed. He came here to start a trucking company.. i forget the details but the "basic" version is that his trucks did alot of hauling for oil and gas companies and such.. and then there were some big changes in the way energy is distributed in Texas.. and McNair found, from talking to his clients, that he could make a killing if he had a company that supplied energy at a premium to these big corporations.. so he did it.. and a few years later he sold the company for his billions.

So no.. he wasnt rich.. he didnt come from a rich family.. he made his money himself.
 
Nighthawk said:
Pro Football Talk, everybody's love-to-hate rumor mill, is "reporting" that it's source for the early [?] posting of the Reeves rumor was the SAME SOURCE as it had for the prior JJ OFFERED JOB & TURNED IT DOWN rumor. And that very same source is also now saying that JJ is talking to the Fords about the Lions job, which I know has been reported before, but is given slight additional credibility bu tthe foregoing. Unless ALL of ProFootballTalk.com is like made up by the guy in the first place.

Still, it's a pi$$er that JJ would be interested in the Lions job and not the Texans job?
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I wouldn't want "Mr. Cowboy" here anyway. I'd rather have somebody associated with the rich Houston football tradition of the past who would be fun to watch and support, such as Phillips (if McNair does fire Capers, which is not a sure thing).
 
rockabilly said:
Obviously the Fords own Ford. But what is it that McNair did or does to get his riches?
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Founded Cogen Technologies Energy Group, which was the largest privately owned cogeneration company in the US. Sold the company to Enron in 1999 for 1.5 billion.

Someone mentioned that his family had money but I don't believe that to be the case. He has talked about the poor neighborhood he grew up in, on several occassions.

Anyone know exactly how much of his own money he initially put into the franchise?
 
If I remember correctly.. his family owned a diner. I remember him saying that he took sandwiches to the construction workers across the street when he was a kid.

I beleive he put up about 300 million of it.. but im not positive.
 
Bobo said:
I wouldn't want "Mr. Cowboy" here anyway. I'd rather have somebody associated with the rich Houston football tradition of the past who would be fun to watch and support, such as Phillips (if McNair does fire Capers, which is not a sure thing).
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Myself I'd rather have somebody associated with the rich history of the Super Bowl which has up until now not coincided all that much with the "rich Houston football tradition" aside from a couple of years where we hosted it.

I will not have a problem with Wade Phillips coming here to coach if that ends up being the case. I believe that given the same number of years that Dom Capers & Co have been given Wade Phillips would at least have an imposing defense in place if not a little more than that. Wade would be fine by me. Jimmy Johnson would really get me excited about where this team was going and I think build another winner.

I don't put a lot of store in what I read on profootballtalk.com and I'll believe this when I see it.
 
Hervoyel said:
Myself I'd rather have somebody associated with the rich history of the Super Bowl which has up until now not coincided all that much with the "rich Houston football tradition" aside from a couple of years where we hosted it.

I will not have a problem with Wade Phillips coming here to coach if that ends up being the case. I believe that given the same number of years that Dom Capers & Co have been given Wade Phillips would at least have an imposing defense in place if not a little more than that. Wade would be fine by me. Jimmy Johnson would really get me excited about where this team was going and I think build another winner.

I don't put a lot of store in what I read on profootballtalk.com and I'll believe this when I see it.
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A.) Switzer has a SB tradition -- you want him? Heck, even Billick has a SB under his wing. How about him? B.) Johnson didn't do so well in Miami. C.) We don't need the Cowboy "B" team here. We need a guy who knows something about the rich Houston -- not Dallas -- football tradition. The last person I'd want to see coaching Houston would be a Dallas guy. There is a strong contingent of Texans fans who despise the Cowboys. You would know that if you were there for the inaugural game. To bring a Dallas guy down here would be an insult to everyone who hates the Cowboys -- and there are plenty of us here who buy season tickets as well. Thank goodness, though -- it looks like that won't happen.
 
TEXANS84 said:
96: 8-8
97: 9-7 *playoffs*
98: 10-6 *playoffs*
99: 9-7 *playoffs*
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Seems to me that you are simply making my point. Two 9-7 records and an 8-8 finish isn't very good. They made the playoffs simply because the other teams weren't very good either. Plus, they had a way of getting humiliatingly exposed in the first round of the playoffs. Also, Miami was hardly an expansion team when Johnson took over. He should have done much, much better with that team than he did. Looking at the records and his accomplishments, Johnson's time in Miami was far from successful.
 
Of course, Marino being on the tail end or past it of his career (see steadily declining completion %), had nothing to do with the Dolphins success during that time period.
 
Bobo said:
A.) Switzer has a SB tradition -- you want him? Heck, even Billick has a SB under his wing. How about him? B.) Johnson didn't do so well in Miami. C.) We don't need the Cowboy "B" team here. We need a guy who knows something about the rich Houston -- not Dallas -- football tradition. The last person I'd want to see coaching Houston would be a Dallas guy. There is a strong contingent of Texans fans who despise the Cowboys. You would know that if you were there for the inaugural game. To bring a Dallas guy down here would be an insult to everyone who hates the Cowboys -- and there are plenty of us here who buy season tickets as well. Thank goodness, though -- it looks like that won't happen.
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Incredible. So Jimmy won't be a good fit for the Texans because he coached the Cowboys?
 
Grid said:
Id like to direct yall towards this thread

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15534

Click the link for the article.

Has Reeves ever WON a superbowl?
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I don't think your "requirements" fit the situation in Houston. This team is just in its fourth year of existence. To even think "playoffs" for this team was unrealistic, seeing that the only way it would get into the playoffs was via wildcard (no way they beat Indy) and there are only two of those positions available. The Texans need to focus on a realistic objective -- getting to .500 or better -- and save the Super Bowl "visions of sugar plums" for much, much later.
 
Bobo said:
I don't think your "requirements" fit the situation in Houston. This team is just in its fourth year of existence. To even think "playoffs" for this team was unrealistic, seeing that the only way it would get into the playoffs was via wildcard (no way they beat Indy) and there are only two of those positions available. The Texans need to focus on a realistic objective -- getting to .500 or better -- and save the Super Bowl "visions of sugar plums" for much, much later.
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exactly.
 
ooook....thats fine... but i am of the opinion that we should MAYBE consider hiring a coach with the ABILITY to EVENTUALLY get us to the playoffs..dont ya think?

or do you think that we should hire someone to get us above .500..then hire someone new to take us to the playoffs :P
 
what ever works... doesn't matter if we hire a new coach every year, I think the general consensus is to get to a championship and win it....
 
hiring a new coach every year hasnt worked to well for the Browns.


The idea is to hire a coach who can not only fix the team, but win the superbowl for you as well. You dont hire a coach thinking "well he will work for the next few years, then we will upgrade". You hire a coach thinking he is "THE guy".. you dont want to go through alot of coaching changes..they are bad for the team.
 
Grid said:
hiring a new coach every year hasnt worked to well for the Browns.


The idea is to hire a coach who can not only fix the team, but win the superbowl for you as well. You dont hire a coach thinking "well he will work for the next few years, then we will upgrade". You hire a coach thinking he is "THE guy".. you dont want to go through alot of coaching changes..they are bad for the team.
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says who? so how long does a coach have to be there before you expect progress? Tampa won it all the year after a coaching change? Sometimes change is in order...I agree with you though, I was just being silly about changing coaches every year, but sometimes change is needed....Think about it, only one team can win a Superbowl a year, now of those other 31 teams how many GM's do you think actually are convinced the coach that they were going into the season with would actually have a shot at the superbowl? not playoffs, superbowl, since that is what you say the main objective of hiring a coach should be....
 
Grid said:
ooook....thats fine... but i am of the opinion that we should MAYBE consider hiring a coach with the ABILITY to EVENTUALLY get us to the playoffs..dont ya think?

or do you think that we should hire someone to get us above .500..then hire someone new to take us to the playoffs :P
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That has happened before. There are many coaches who took their teams from the doldrums to respectability, but weren't able to take them any farther so they hired someone else to take them the rest of the way. The playoffs have always been a long way off for this team. We should look at realistic goals that can be accomplished, and it is not realistic that this team will make the Super Bowl in the near future. Even the playoffs will be several years away, since the WC spots have shrunk and there is no way we beat Indy in the forseeable future.
 
no team that had another coach come in and take the team to the superbowl.. intended it to go that way.

No one in their right mind hires a coach that they DONT think can take them to a championship.

where the heck is this drivel coming from?
 
Grid said:
You hire a coach thinking he is "THE guy".. you dont want to go through alot of coaching changes..they are bad for the team.
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I never said that, I said that they dont hire coaces thinking, this IS the guy... which IS what you stated....It's probably more like this MIGHT be the guy...and a lot...Most of the times it isn't
 
well whether you think he IS the guy or MIGHT be the guy.. either way.. you dont shoot yourself in the foot by picking someone who ISNT the guy..but you think he can get the team to .500 before you go out and find THE guy.

thats just stupid.
 
I never said pick a guy who ISNT the guy, but how would you know he ISNT the guy until he DOESN'T win..........You ARE misunderstanding my point which is, I don't think most GM's Hire guys thinking...OK this one's gonna do it...I think it's more along the lines like ...I think he has the best chance, lets SEE what he can do...maybe he can, maybe he cant
 
Bobo said:
A.) Switzer has a SB tradition -- you want him? Heck, even Billick has a SB under his wing. How about him? B.) Johnson didn't do so well in Miami. C.) We don't need the Cowboy "B" team here. We need a guy who knows something about the rich Houston -- not Dallas -- football tradition. The last person I'd want to see coaching Houston would be a Dallas guy. There is a strong contingent of Texans fans who despise the Cowboys. You would know that if you were there for the inaugural game. To bring a Dallas guy down here would be an insult to everyone who hates the Cowboys -- and there are plenty of us here who buy season tickets as well. Thank goodness, though -- it looks like that won't happen.
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A. Ed Biles, Chuck Studley, Hugh Campbell, and Jerry Glanville have "Oiler tradition" - You want one of them coming back to coach your team? Heck, since we're not just necessarily talking about the Head Coaching position but also possibly the GM job why not call back Ladd Herzog. He's got some experience GM'ing a Houston NFL team.

B. Jimmy Johnson did very well in Miami when you take into account the fact that he could essentially do nothing to step on the toes of future HOF QB Dan Marino and that following his own record of:

1996 - 8-8
1997 - 9-7
1998 - 10-6
1999 - 9-7

...his successor Dave Wannstedt tacked on the following seasons:

2000 - 11-5
2001 - 11-5
2002 - 9-7
2003 - 10-6

He did the first part of this with mostly the team Jimmy Johnson had built. Two things stand out here. First Wannstedt didn't have to deal with Dan Marino and the limitations that an aging icon bring to the offensive side of the ball. Second Wannstedt got Ricky Williams and so brought Miami something it hadn't had since before Marino showed up. A running game. Of course Jimmy Johnson tried very hard to draft a running back while he was there but he couldn't find one and all he gets is grief over the number of picks he wasted looking. The results once they got one speak for themselves. Jimmy Johnson did very well in Miami and anyone who says otherwise has an axe to grind or is merely repeating what they've been told and accepted as true without really looking into it.

C. IF Jimmy Johnson consented to coach the Houston Texans then arguably we would not have the Cowboys "B" team here in Houston (in terms of coaching). I'd say more accurately that barring a Tom Landry return from the grave we would have the Cowboys "A" team coaching here. Parcells has exactly how many Super Bowl wins in Dallas? Jimmy Johnson has 2 (and you could arguably give him credit for 3 if you count the Switzer "coached" team that went).
 
if it was 610, they noted afterwards - actually he talked to him, but didn't offer a job.

When he introduced Reeves at a news conference Monday, McNair said he had spoken with some owners about the Texans. He also spoke with some former NFL coaches and personnel experts like Jimmy Johnson and Ron Hill, among others.

But when it came time to offer the consulting job, McNair chose Reeves over former San Francisco coach and general manager Bill Walsh and former Green Bay general manager Ron Wolf, both of whom have served as consultants since they left the NFL.

"I talked with Jimmy, but I didn't offer him a job," McNair said. "I hired Dan because I'm comfortable with him. We didn't know each other at South Carolina, but when I was putting together (the franchise), he's one of those I spoke with. I can trust Dan to tell me the truth as objectively as possible."
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chronic 12-16-05

Man, this offseason is vital to the future of the Texans - both with players and coaching / FO decisions to be made. Hoping for the correct calls to be made to satisfy the majority, cause whatever they choose - it's gonna upset someone.
 
Sportsfan said:
Heard on the radio this morning that the NY Daily News reported this so i found the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/375247p-318881c.html


Edit: topic should read "JJ was ALLEGEDLY offered Texans GM/Head Coach job" lol
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It's the New York Daily News, they make up the news first then apologize later. I trust what Bob McNair said. He is an honest man. I think if he wanted Jimmy Johnson he would have hired him and Jimmy would've taken the job. It's the best coaching vacancy available in the NFL.
 
Bobo said:
A.) Switzer has a SB tradition -- you want him? Heck, even Billick has a SB under his wing. How about him? B.) Johnson didn't do so well in Miami. C.) We don't need the Cowboy "B" team here. We need a guy who knows something about the rich Houston -- not Dallas -- football tradition.

And which RICH Houston football tradition would that be? One thing IMO is that JJ would cone in and kick to rear ends and the players would know when they messed up or were lazy. I can't remember the players name when JJ was in Dallas, but when he fell asleep in a team meeting he was gone that day no ifs ands or buts about it. JJ would not be mister nice guy like the doofus standing on the sidelines for the Texans every week with his mouth open catching flies and wondering where he was or what world he was in that day. Capers =:homer:
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Dan Reeves is a chip off the Landry block...he played for him, coached under him, had his respect and revered Coach Landry. As close as you'll get.
 
WWJD said:
Dan Reeves is a chip off the Landry block...he played for him, coached under him, had his respect and revered Coach Landry. As close as you'll get.
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OK, but he has to wear the hat. :)
 
Yep that hat hardly ever came off. I don't think there are many instances where Coach Landry put on a headset. Coach Reeves is always with one though.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/375247p-318881c.html

Jimmy Johnson nixes Texans job

BY GARY MYERS
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Jimmy Johnson laughs off NFL return.

Jimmy Johnson, always a hot name for NFL jobs this time of the year, recently turned down the opportunity to be the coach and general manager of the Houston Texans, multiple sources told the Daily News.
Contacted yesterday at his home in the Florida Keys, Johnson, who now works for Fox on its NFL coverage, said, "I can't confirm any rumors. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I have no interest in going back to coaching."

After Johnson turned him down, Texans owner Bob McNair hired former Giants coach Dan Reeves on Monday as a consultant to evaluate the 1-12 team, further evidence that coach Dom Capers and perhaps general manager Charley Casserly are in their final weeks with the disappointing fourth-year expansion team. Although Reeves has denied McNair has asked him if he's interested in Capers' job, he is now considered a likely candidate to replace him after the season and be given total control of the football operations.

Johnson, however, was the big name McNair wanted, sources said. They were together months ago when Johnson was doing a television piece on the Hurricane Katrina evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston. He also visited the Texans' offices. But that preceded McNair contacting Johnson about working for the team. Johnson is from Port Arthur, Tex., and still has family in the area.

Johnson coached the Cowboys to two Super Bowl championships in five years but had a messy divorce with Jerry Jones after the 1993 season following the second of back-to-back titles. After sitting out two years, he was hired to replace Don Shula in Miami, back where he made a name for himself at the University of Miami. But after a disappointing four seasons, he quit after a 62-7 divisional round playoff loss to Tom Coughlin's Jaguars.

Originally published on December 16, 2005
 
Story has holes and leap frogs to the reporters opinion with one quote "I can't confirm any rumors. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I have no interest in going back to coaching."

This is a non denial, denial.
 
Didn't someone just say in another thread that NY Daily News is full of crap? I think somebody did. Something about how they speak first and handle the law suits later.
 
jerek said:
Kaiser is right, pro sports and everyone associated with it are experts when it comes to diverting the media, and a seasoned vet like Jimmy Johnson is no exception. This article certainly paints the picture that he is not interested, but minds can change and Johnson might as well just be playing it coy. As far as I am concerned, this simply means that he is not coming onboard any time soon. Nonetheless, as much as I think he is probably a good coach/GM and a dramatic improvement over those current positions, it seems blasphemous to have a Cowboys coach on our sidelines, doesn't it?
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Jerek I would agree if he were their coach while we were in existence. As a former Cowboys fan I do not how fans could live with themsleves when they hired Parcells.
 
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