Reggie or not???

LORK 88 · Dec 13, 2005

WHY HOUSTON WON’T DRAFT REGGIE BUSH

Reason 1: Domanick Davis
out of the top 30 Running Backs in the NFL right now, only 4 have rushed for 1,000 yards their first 3 seasons: LaDainian Tomlinson, Clinton Portis, Curtis Martin, and DOMANICK DAVIS. Now, compare all of those Offensive Lines and look at who has had the worst out of all those 4. Davis has done amazing his first 4 seasons, getting 4471 receiving and rushing yards in 3 seasons behind a horrible line. I don’t see Reggie Bush being this productive early on with Houston’s O Line. It’s a miracle Davis is going to get his 3rd 1000 yard rushing season with this O Line and he’s averaging over 4 yards per carry.

Reason 2: Trade Value
This year, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush will be in the draft making that number 1 spot a huge value. Like 2004, this year has some good talent so there will be a lot more trading up. Because of that, teams will be willing to give up a lot more than usual to trade up to the top 5 to get the player that they want. And As we all know, Houston has a lot more need elsewhere at several other positions so why wouldn’t they trade down to get a lot of picks to draft with?

Reason 3: Salary
Domanick Davis signed a 5 year $22 million dollar contract extension, pretty much locking him up at the RB spot. The first overall pick usually gets about 5 – 6 years for anywhere from $40 - $54 million dollars. If this is so, Houston would have 5 years and about $70 million dollars tied up between 2 players!

Reason 4: Other Needs
Houston has serious needs at OL, TE, DL, LB, CB, and S so why would Houston draft a player that DOESN’T fit into any of these positions? Houston has too many other needs to draft a Running Back in this year’s draft. Houston is ranked 31st offensively and 30th defensively so unless Bush could go both ways, then he doesn’t solve any needs of ours. Plus, like I explained in reason 1, Domanick Davis is a great Running Back.

Reason 5: Because They Said So!
I can’t remember where I heard it from, but I heard that if Houston got the number 1 pick, that they would trade down. Houston is also a very trustworthy franchise compared to a few others. In other words: the glass slipper DOESN’T fit the foot.

TexanAlmighty · Dec 13, 2005

LORK 88 said:
I’ve also heard that Reggie Bush wouldn’t be happy playing for Houston. In other words: the glass slipper DOESN’T fit the foot.

You can throw that one out of the window and he was aked point blank and he said he wouldn't mind playing for the Texans and he would love the opportunity to play in the NFL. He would not pull what bratty Eli did.

All this is a crap shoot til the end of the season anyway. Please no more Bush threads. Can we merge them?? We have at least 6 in this section already.

Blake · Dec 13, 2005

I count 8.

Bush would be a spectacular player....for another team. Lets get the most we can out of him, and build our team up.

Let some sucker of a team throw away their whole draft for him.

JDizzle · Dec 13, 2005

THE NFL DRAFT said:
Let some sucker of a team throw away their whole draft for him.

kind of like we did for Jason Babin .... lol

LORK 88 · Dec 13, 2005

TexanAlmighty said:
You can throw that one out of the window and he was aked point blank and he said he wouldn't mind playing for the Texans and he would love the opportunity to play in the NFL. He would not pull what bratty Eli did.

All this is a crap shoot til the end of the season anyway. Please no more Bush threads. Can we merge them?? We have at least 6 in this section already.

I got rid of that then. What about the other 5 reasons?

tulexan · Dec 13, 2005

If Reggie Bush is faster, has better moves, and better hands, why would he be much worse than Dominack Davis?

Let me put it this way, if we didn't sign Dominack Davis to an extension over the offseason, would we be having this argument?

This is what you call a sunk cost. We have already paid it, if we have the chance to upgrade to a much better player we should. This is finance 101 kind of stuff.

agcubs · Dec 13, 2005

I've been thinking about this and the texans could seriously be better off with vince young or matt leinhart. Face it dominick davis is an above average RB and Carr is falling down. I am thinking that the texans could trade for a #2 or #3 pick and get someone to carry the D. I could set the texans back on track. What do u guys think

MorKnolle · Dec 13, 2005

Can we please merge this thread into one of the 20 other threads that are just like it? We have started many threads based purely on "do we draft Bush or trade down" so could one of the mods please merge this in one of those?

MorKnolle · Dec 13, 2005

tulexan said:
If Reggie Bush is faster, has better moves, and better hands, why would he be much worse than Dominack Davis?

Let me put it this way, if we didn't sign Dominack Davis to an extension over the offseason, would we be having this argument?

This is what you call a sunk cost. We have already paid it, if we have the chance to upgrade to a much better player we should. This is finance 101 kind of stuff.

If we did not have Domanick Davis (or someone of comparable skill) on the team at all then I'd definitely be all for drafting Bush. If we hadn't signed Davis to an extension then I'd be more open to drafting Bush but still not really want it as my top choice. Given that both of these conditions exist, in addition to numerous other reasons, I think the best choice is to not get Bush and trade down. In finance terms, a sunk cost is "an expense that has already been incurred and cannot be reversed", which basically every contract in professional sports is an example of. Not being able to reverse Davis' contract and disregarding it to make a small upgrade at that position are two different things. We can't just accept it as a $25 million write off and go spend another $50 million for that small upgrade when the original piece is still fully functional , maybe not quite as high of potential good, but very functional. That is bad economics and bad accounting practices. Davis is a good RB and we have too many holes on this team to use $50+ million and the #1 pick to draft Bush when we can trade that pick and acquire 3-5 extra starting quality players.

P.S. good attempt on the finance analogy, but it wasn't 100% accurate. I see you're at least trying to use your Tulane education (much more than I can say for some other people)

Hervoyel · Dec 13, 2005

I'm FOR drafting Reggie Bush and I'm STILL sick of talking about it in so many threads. We need some kind of Reggie Bush filter that detects the presence of these two words and automatically kicks the post or new thread into a previously existing thread.

OzzO · Dec 13, 2005

... and on the 8th day - the chosen one, Reggie Bush came down among the Texans and led them through the valley of offseason towards a new hope.... a new season... with St.McNair blessing the journey. Toro 2:25

Welcome to the board agcubs... but you may want to check a few other threads on who agrees or disagrees with the "chosen 3".

MorKnolle · Dec 13, 2005

Create a sub-folder for Reggie Bush or something and dump the threads that are predominantly about Bush into there so they are at least all in one spot and out of the way of everything else.

Bullpen Drew · Dec 13, 2005

We can trade Davis!! Draft Bush!

Sportsfan · Dec 13, 2005

MorKnolle said:
Create a sub-folder for Reggie Bush or something and dump the threads that are predominantly about Bush into there so they are at least all in one spot and out of the way of everything else.

agreed.

TexanAlmighty · Dec 13, 2005

LORK 88 said:
I got rid of that then. What about the other 5 reasons?

#1 Reason that you need to draft Bush..............

You do not pass on the talents of Reggie Bush. Look at what Portland did and drafted need instead of BPA. They drafted freakin Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan. :tv:

So lets trade down and draft a need and pass up Bush the BPA? no thanks. :ok:

TexanAlmighty · Dec 13, 2005

Bullpen Drew said:
We can trade Davis!! Draft Bush!

Exactly. I can't believe people do not want to draft Reggie Bush. :bomb:

royce1054 · Dec 13, 2005

Great job Lork i couldnt of said it any better. Plus i know Reeves will want his own players and not Casserly's players. I bet you will see a massive overhaul after this season. I think we will make several moves on draft day acquire a bunch of picks. Let alot of people go. Inc Babin, Buchannon, Bradford, Mckinney, Wand, Coleman.

Then trade the #1 pick to #2 49ers then trade the #2 pick to the person who wants Leinhart or D. Williams. Why not it could happen. Weirder things have happened in this league. I am sure N.O., Det and Tenn would like to have Leinhart. So if we deal the #1 to SF we get the #2 their 2nd and a 3rd Next year. So we have #2 1st 2 picks in 2nd round this year. We then package the #2 to N.O, Det, Tenn and depending on where they end up we can get 1st round top 10 pick and a 2nd or we could do a top 10 pick and 2 3rds. For a summary

we have a top 10 pick
top 2 picks in 2nd round
then a possible top 10 2nd round pick or we would have like 4 or 5 3rd rounders.

If we do end up with 4 or 5 4rd rounders i say we move back up into the 2nd round and pick up a TE in Day. I think Dbrick or Winston with the top 10 pick. THen the 1st 2 picks in teh 2nd are like late 1st rounders. So thats 3 1st round quality players. I believe Reeves will want this talent to bring in the players he wants to make this team a winner.

Janus3 · Dec 13, 2005

reggie bush is pretty good, but i see him as a more a dante hall type player. if the texans got the first pick, i'd hope they trade it. me personally, i'd like to address the problem areas, rb is not one of them. you can get more by trading teh first pick than trading davis. davis is doing good WITHOUT an o-line, imagine if he had one. i'd like to see the texans get aj hawk, chad greenway or d'brickshaw ferguson, and if you guys want an rb that bad, deangelo williams would be a steal in the later rounds. anyone else's thoughts?

tulexan · Dec 13, 2005

MorKnolle said:
We can't just accept it as a $25 million write off and go spend another $50 million for that small upgrade when the original piece is still fully functional , maybe not quite as high of potential good, but very functional.

But it is actually not a $25 million write off because NFL contracts are not guaranteed money. It would only be a write off of the signing bonus which is amortized over the length of the contract. I don't know exactly how much we gave him as a signing bonus but I believe that it is somewhere around $5 million.

If we cut him the cap hit I believe would be $4 million because we have already amortized the first million this year. If we cut him after June 1st, you can spread the cap hit over 2 years which means that we would have a $2 million hit this year and a $2 million hit next year. I am sure that that he has some performance incentives built in, but I can't imagine they are too costly.

royce1054 · Dec 13, 2005

Why this is the best thread on the board right now. It makes the best sense

YoungTexanFan · Dec 13, 2005

I will help my fellow posters out. The word is amortized

AcresHomesTexan · Dec 13, 2005

royce1054 said:
Why this is the best thread on the board right now. It makes the best sense

Not sure what this comment means, but there are plenty of places already to talk about Bush.

texplayer2 · Dec 13, 2005

MorKnolle said:
Create a sub-folder for Reggie Bush or something and dump the threads that are predominantly about Bush into there so they are at least all in one spot and out of the way of everything else.

Everyone who doesn't think Bush is a relevent pick wants to bury him somewhere? He is very relevent to most of our draft talks and to put him aside so anyone who doesn't want to trade our picks can't voice that is a bad idea. Everyone should be able to speak here. If alot of people like Bush or have scenarios that envolve him they should be allowed to say it.

royce1054 · Dec 13, 2005

ArlingtonTexan said:
Not sure what this comment means, but there are plenty of places already to talk about Bush.

true but this one has the best reason on why we wont draft him. The other are like a waste of time for me. If we do draft it will be a draft a trade prob to 49ers. The question isnt are we gonna draft him or not its who are we tradeing the pick to or are we trading the rights to. At most he will be on our team for 45 mins

LORK 88 · Dec 13, 2005

TexanAlmighty said:
#1 Reason that you need to draft Bush..............

You do not pass on the talents of Reggie Bush. Look at what Portland did and drafted need instead of BPA. They drafted freakin Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan.

So lets trade down and draft a need and pass up Bush the BPA? no thanks.

How often does Bush run between the tackles? Theres a reason he shares carries with LenDale White!!! The speed of the game in the NFL is sooo much faster too.

And did you just compare Bush to MJ? Please!!!!!! :ok:

edo783 · Dec 13, 2005

Another reason....a 100% increase in cost of aquisition for what POSSIBLY might be a 20% increase in run production and very likely LESS in pass production (A DD strong point). Just not enough increase at the position to put that much more money into it at the expense of other well defined needs. If most of the needs were gone (not even asking for all) then by all means take Bush. We are just to LAME to not get more players early in the draft.

LORK 88 · Dec 13, 2005

tulexan said:
If Reggie Bush is faster, has better moves, and better hands, why would he be much worse than Dominack Davis?

Let me put it this way, if we didn't sign Dominack Davis to an extension over the offseason, would we be having this argument?

This is what you call a sunk cost. We have already paid it, if we have the chance to upgrade to a much better player we should. This is finance 101 kind of stuff.

Let me rephrase this for you: If Houston didnt have a Running Back that has 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, would we be talking about trading away our pick? Enough with the hypotheticals! Theres no point to them because the past wont change!!

A year ago people were talking about Cedric Benson. I dont think RB talk will ever die down until we get a better OL and Davis shows that he's better than eveyone thinks. Give the man some respect!

AcresHomesTexan · Dec 13, 2005

royce1054 said:
true but this one has the best reason on why we wont draft him. The other are like a waste of time for me. If we do draft it will be a draft a trade prob to 49ers. The question isnt are we gonna draft him or not its who are we tradeing the pick to or are we trading the rights to. At most he will be on our team for 45 mins

Okay..makes sense to me now...carry on.

God of Wine · Dec 13, 2005

LORK 88 said:
How often does Bush run between the tackles? Theres a reason he shares carries with LenDale White!!! The speed of the game in the NFL is sooo much faster too.

And did you just compare Bush to MJ? Please!!!!!!

Bush is not in MJ's class but back then MJ wasn't "all that" either. I see the comparison.

Hervoyel · Dec 13, 2005

A4toZ said:
... and on the 8th day - the chosen one, Reggie Bush came down among the Texans and led them through the valley of offseason towards a new hope.... a new season... with St.McNair blessing the journey. Toro 2:25

Welcome to the board agcubs... but you may want to check a few other threads on who agrees or disagrees with the "chosen 3".

No, no, no. It's not like that at all. It's more like this:

Reggie Bush was born on the planet Krypton. When his father Jor-El realized that the planet Krypton was doomed he launched his son into space on a long journey to a small blue-green planet called Earth.

The child was adoped by San Diego residents Denise and LaMar Griffin who found the infant in his Kryptonian rocket ship while on their way home from a football game, and was named Reggie. The boy grew to be quick and strong as his Kryptonian cells were converting the suns energy into incredible power. Soon the time came for him to leave home and play college football. His decision of which school to go to was made for him out of necessity by the red, yellow, and white material found with him in the spacecraft. It is the only material on this earth that can absorb the punishment Reggie takes and dishes out on the football field without being damaged.

Scientists right now are hard at work in hidden laboratories beneath Reliant Stadium working on a Steel Blue, Battle Red, and Liberty White synthetic version of this material using the white fabric as a base.

Last surviving son of a dead planet, Reggie Bush has come to our world to serve as an example to the human race and to destroy Emmit Smith's rushing record. He is also on a single minded quest to collect as many Super Bowl rings as he can in his lifetime.

royce1054 · Dec 13, 2005

guys think about this. We brought in Reeves. We have a team full Casserly/Capers people. I think Reeves was brought in to find the players he wants. So i believe there is going to be a massive overhaul on this team. People will be released, traded, not signed... i know what you are saying it happens every year but what i am saying is it will happen to players you wouldnt think it would happen to such as a Babin, Coleman.. ect. So all i am saying is i am sure he will want to trade down and bring in his own guys.

so lets say season ended today
1. Houston
2. SF
3. NYJ
4. N.O.
5. GB
then there is like 6 teams who could draft any order prob tenn next.. i believe this is the way that others have said the order is... this is off hand here in the positions so correct me if i am wrong

ok 49ers want Bush to be in their backfield with Smith. Know i dont have my chart out but just to give and example: #1 for #2, 2nd round and a 5th and 3rd next year.

-- jets scenario--then do we wanna draft Leinhart no, its still kinda early for D brick who is slipping so now i say trade down again. Jets wants a QB i dont know why bc they have Feidler and Pennington so if they trade up thats a 1st and maybe a 1st next year which i dont like... i am looking to see if the jets have 2 3rd round picks or not. I think they might try and trade #2 for the jets #3 and 2 3rds.

-- saints scenario --Now if say N.O who picks 4th offers 1st and 2nd next year i would do it. Esp since we have our

--Tenn scenari0-- thats a #5 pick. 1st, 2nd next year, and 5th this year

I am just throwing out guesses so dont blow up at this but just think how this could happen

God of Wine · Dec 13, 2005

Hervoyel said:
No, no, no. It's not like that at all. It's more like this:

Reggie Bush was born on the planet Krypton. When his father Jor-El realized that the planet Krypton was doomed he launched his son into space on a long journey to a small blue-green planet called Earth.

The child was adoped by San Diego residents Denise and LaMar Griffin who found the infant in his Kryptonian rocket ship while on their way home from a football game, and was named Reggie. The boy grew to be quick and strong as his Kryptonian cells were converting the suns energy into incredible power. Soon the time came for him to leave home and play college football. His decision of which school to go to was made for him out of necessity by the red, yellow, and white material found with him in the spacecraft. It is the only material on this earth that can absorb the punishment Reggie takes and dishes out on the football field without being damaged.

Scientists right now are hard at work in hidden laboratories beneath Reliant Stadium working on a Steel Blue, Battle Red, and Liberty White synthetic version of this material using the white fabric as a base.

Last surviving son of a dead planet, Reggie Bush has come to our world to serve as an example to the human race and to destroy Emmit Smith's rushing record. He is also on a single minded quest to collect as many Super Bowl rings as he can in his lifetime.

Herv that was great, phenominal. :thumbup

LORK 88 · Dec 13, 2005

please tell me yall dont really think Reggie is going to break Emmitts rushing mark because that is taking it WAAAY far. Do people honestly think that some of the stuff Reggie Bush is doing right now is going to work in the pros?

bigcarlos · Dec 13, 2005

LORK 88 said:
WHY HOUSTON WONT DRAFT REGGIE BUSH

Reason 4: Other Needs
Houston has serious needs at OL, TE, DL, LB, CB, and S so why would Houston draft a player that DOESNT fit into any of these positions? Houston has too many other needs to draft a Running Back in this years draft. .

You left off a QB

MorKnolle · Dec 13, 2005

tulexan said:
But it is actually not a $25 million write off because NFL contracts are not guaranteed money. It would only be a write off of the signing bonus which is amortized over the length of the contract. I don't know exactly how much we gave him as a signing bonus but I believe that it is somewhere around $5 million.

If we cut him the cap hit I believe would be $4 million because we have already amortized the first million this year. If we cut him after June 1st, you can spread the cap hit over 2 years which means that we would have a $2 million hit this year and a $2 million hit next year. I am sure that that he has some performance incentives built in, but I can't imagine they are too costly.

The cap hit would be about $7 million. There is absolutely no reason to cut or trade Domanick Davis who is the most consistently positive performer on our team, to bring in a rookie who is a phenomenal athlete and a decent RB. That is ridiculous. THIS IS NOT MADDEN FOOTBALL, THIS IS THE REAL NFL, THINGS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT HERE.

LORK 88 · Dec 13, 2005

MorKnolle said:
The cap hit would be about $7 million. There is absolutely no reason to cut or trade Domanick Davis who is the most consistently positive performer on our team, to bring in a rookie who is a phenomenal athlete and a decent RB. That is ridiculous. THIS IS NOT MADDEN FOOTBALL, THIS IS THE REAL NFL, THINGS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT HERE.

Finally!! Someone who can see the truth!!! Im sorry, but theres a reason why LenDale White does all the pounding in the middle. I doubt Bush's speed will work as well against the speed of the NFL. The game will catch up to him.

royce1054 · Dec 13, 2005

hey guys go check out the mock draft section... I think Lork and others who have seen the light would enjoy putting their draft selections in it and see i want to see their points of view.

MorKnolle · Dec 13, 2005

I for one will not be doing a mock draft until after the combine. After the end of our regular season when the early part of the draft order is set I'll post more accurate list of draft trade possibilities and maybe more specific players that I want to see us pick, although I probably won't get into that too much until the combine too. The combine is the first time that all the NFL-caliber players are brought together and examined together by NFL personnel rather than watching game tapes against regular college competition, so until that happens and I can watch some of that I won't do any kind of full mock drafts, but after the combine coach c, cadahnic and I will likely combine our efforts into a mock draft like we've done for some other posts.

tulexan · Dec 13, 2005

MorKnolle said:
The cap hit would be about $7 million. There is absolutely no reason to cut or trade Domanick Davis who is the most consistently positive performer on our team, to bring in a rookie who is a phenomenal athlete and a decent RB. That is ridiculous. THIS IS NOT MADDEN FOOTBALL, THIS IS THE REAL NFL, THINGS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT HERE.

I'm not saying that we should cut Davis. I actually believe that he is a valuable member of the team and would be a great complement to Bush. I was just replying to your post about writing off $25 million dollars and signing a $50 million dollar contract. I was trying to explain that the cost would be far cheaper than the $25 million that you claimed.

I'm not sure how you got the $7 million. Are you taking account for cash incentives that he will receive in addition to his $5 million signing bonus? I really don't know much about his contract except for the 5 years for around $21 million with a $5 million dollar signing bonus. Maybe you could enlighten me on more of the details of his contract because I am curious.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that when you cut someone after June 1st, you can stretch the cap hit over two seasons. That is why most players are cut after that date. So are you saying that we have $14 million remaining that will be amortized?

Again, I am not advocating that we should get rid of Davis. I actually like him. I just feel that if we have the ability to add a playmaker like Bush and fill other holes we have on the team such as OL, TE, and S (which I think we can in the first day alone), then we should do it.

Regardless if you want the Texans to draft Reggie Bush or not, you have to admit that the guy is a playmaker and would be a good addition to the team. I know the issues that people have with drafting him is that they feel that we have so many problems because we are a 1-12 team en route to being 1-15, but I do believe that we are much better than our record shows and getting a playmaker like Bush is a gift. A coaching change alone will give us 5 or 6 wins and hopefully the talent that we acquire through free agency and the draft will give us a few more on top of that.

Who ever thought at the beginning of the season that we would be in a position to draft Bush? I didn't even think we would be in a position to draft D'Brick and now we are talking about him like we would be settling for him.

But we are all entitled to our own opinions so I guess we will all find out in the next few months what we will be doing.

Trapped · Dec 14, 2005

I would say NOT.

If 49ers beat us on week 17, they would be somewhere on the lines of a 4th pick maybe. We pull of an Eli Manning. 4th overall this year and 1st rounder next year and a 3rd rounder this year.

Alex Smith and Reggie Bush on the same team is very tempting for 9ers.

With the 4th overall, we trade down to number 10 or so and pick up a 2nd rounder. With the number 10 overall, we select Eric Winston.

We would just do BPA after that with 2 2nd rounders and 3 3rd rounders.

Then if we suck again, that means Carr is gone and we select another "Franchise QB", with that other 1st rounder we can select someone to fill in our biggest hole or BPA, whatever that may be.

If we are Mediocre, we would have 2 first rounders, and if chosen wisely, it could take us to that next level.

Reggie Bush is one in a decade talent, but let's think about it, Adrian Peterson will be here next year, just in case we suck again. Having 2 1st round picks next year, i think will be beneficial to this team.

LORK 88 · Dec 14, 2005

Trapped said:
I would say NOT.

If 49ers beat us on week 17, they would be somewhere on the lines of a 4th pick maybe. We pull of an Eli Manning. 4th overall this year and 1st rounder next year and a 3rd rounder this year.

Alex Smith and Reggie Bush on the same team is very tempting for 9ers.

With the 4th overall, we trade down to number 10 or so and pick up a 2nd rounder. With the number 10 overall, we select Eric Winston.

We would just do BPA after that with 2 2nd rounders and 3 3rd rounders.

Then if we suck again, that means Carr is gone and we select another "Franchise QB", with that other 1st rounder we can select someone to fill in our biggest hole or BPA, whatever that may be.

If we are Mediocre, we would have 2 first rounders, and if chosen wisely, it could take us to that next level.

Reggie Bush is one in a decade talent, but let's think about it, Adrian Peterson will be here next year, just in case we suck again. Having 2 1st round picks next year, i think will be beneficial to this team.

hmmm, this sounds alot like San Diego!!! Just hope we dont make the same mistake and get a high round QB who sits on the bench all game!!

tulexan · Dec 14, 2005

Trapped said:
Reggie Bush is one in a decade talent, but let's think about it, Adrian Peterson will be here next year, just in case we suck again. Having 2 1st round picks next year, i think will be beneficial to this team.

See I don't think we would need Adrian Peterson. He is going to be a great back in the NFL, but he is just a RB. What makes Bush so appealing is that he can be used in so many different situations.

Trapped · Dec 14, 2005

naw, we will get a high round Lineman that starts on the line and hope he is successful.

I think on offense, we still have the potential to be alot like the Bengals on offense. Some may think we are far away from just a "Stud LT" to make this offense legit, but with a new coaching staff, i think the talent is in place to become something like the Bengals.

I think we are just a Lineman or two away, a coaching staff that knows offense, and a Houshmanzadeh away from being a potent offense.

We can draft those two lineman such as Winston and the best lineman available at the 33. A new coaching staff will be here. And we can get that Houshmanzadeh type player in Free agency.

Yes im being very optimistic.

MorKnolle · Dec 14, 2005

tulexan said:
I'm not sure how you got the $7 million. Are you taking account for cash incentives that he will receive in addition to his $5 million signing bonus? I really don't know much about his contract except for the 5 years for around $21 million with a $5 million dollar signing bonus. Maybe you could enlighten me on more of the details of his contract because I am curious.

Davis' contract has a total of $8 million in guaranteed money, only $5 million has been paid to this date, but he is still due another $3 million later. From that $5 million we've paid him, $1 million has been amortized to this year, so if we cut or traded him we will have the rest of the $7 million as a cap hit next year.

tulexan said:
Regardless if you want the Texans to draft Reggie Bush or not, you have to admit that the guy is a playmaker and would be a good addition to the team. I know the issues that people have with drafting him is that they feel that we have so many problems because we are a 1-12 team en route to being 1-15, but I do believe that we are much better than our record shows and getting a playmaker like Bush is a gift. A coaching change alone will give us 5 or 6 wins and hopefully the talent that we acquire through free agency and the draft will give us a few more on top of that.

But we are all entitled to our own opinions so I guess we will all find out in the next few months what we will be doing.

Bush does have great athletic ability, I don't think he will be a dominant pure RB in the NFL. I would like to see Bush on our team, but with the way we've built our team he's not going to get more than 50% of the snaps at RB and then some more at WR, but I do not think you use the #1 overall pick and $50+ million for a part-time RB, part-time WR, especially if you can trade that pick away and grab another 2-4 high 2nd and 3rd round picks that can be used to draft more starting-quality players and pay all of them combined less than what we'd have to pay Bush. OL is a huge need for us and we need to draft someone that will be capable of starting at LT in a year or so, and as so many people have pointed out that the vast majority of good LTs are drafted in the first round, and we need to draft 2-3 OL that are good enough to start for us next year, and looking to start filling those spots in the 2nd round is not going to help our line much. For Bush's pick alone we can pick up two starting-quality OL and a couple other picks to add skill and depth at other positions. Like I have said before, I'd love to be able to find a spot on our team for an athletic talent like Reggie Bush but given our current roster and the ability to pick up numerous extra picks for the #1 (assuming we even get it in the first place), I have to say that the best route for our team is to trade down. Obviously that is my opinion, so, as you said and I have said before, we will just have to wait and see what happens and hope that whatever does happen is the best for the team.

Trapped said:
I think we are just a Lineman or two away, a coaching staff that knows offense, and a Houshmanzadeh away from being a potent offense.

We can draft those two lineman such as Winston and the best lineman available at the 33. A new coaching staff will be here. And we can get that Houshmanzadeh type player in Free agency.

I agree, I think we are 2-3 stud OL, a new coach, and then a year or two in the new system away from being an elite offense, so let's get our OL since this draft has some very good ones and build our offense into something special while our guys are all young and can stay together for years to come. If Gaffney stays I don't think we really need to seek another WR other than maybe finding a fast one later in the draft. If someone like Mathis (super fast and from a smaller school so he won't be known real well) is around this year and we can get him in the 4th round, I say do it, having two guys with that speed would be great once we turn them into better WRs. I also don't see the need to get Peterson next year. I think he will be a great NFL RB (could easily put up 1500+ yards each year on the right team) but once again we have Davis who is a very solid RB and will have other needs to fill and don't need to add huge contract for a top 3 pick RB.

LORK 88 · May 1, 2006

Why dont people listen, I posted this for a reason. Also note it was titled "why Houston wont draft Bush" before the mods changed it . . .

Hookem Horns · May 1, 2006

LORK 88 said:
Why dont people listen, I posted this for a reason. Also note it was titled "why Houston wont draft Bush" before the mods changed it . . .

Nice call Lork. I was for VY however I agreed with you on the points about Leon ... eerrr Reggie Bu$h.

Reggie or not???

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