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EllisUnit

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
We started the season red hot last year, we were blowing teams away. Then came the end of the season where we lost 3 out of 4, barely scrapped by the bengals in the play-offs.

We are not playing very good football right now, everyone can see that and yet after 3 games we are still 2-1. Would you rather hit your peak at the start of the season or gain momentum towards the middle/end of the season. Every season the texans lay a big fat goose egg atleast once that makes you say WTF, yesterday was just that.

On the bright side this is not an 8-8 team at best like another thread states. Foster is looking like the old foster again, Watt is still watt, Cushing is playing like a mad man, Our Defense really isnt playing to terrible besides a few big plays. Its really the offense thats making life difficult for them. Reed finally played he got his feet wet and will only get better, which will make the whole secondary better. And despite what we saw yesterday our offense is pretty damn good.

We all wait for the games all week long, we all have expectations so it is no surprise we go out and play bad on Sunday and before you know it we are the new browns to a lot of our fans. Emotions are a funny thing, make you say and think stuff that is clearly not true. And those who are now saying this is a bad team, that is simply not true. We'll be fine !!!

On a side note did anyone else have trouble getting onto TT about half way through the game ?
 
EllisUnit said:
We started the season red hot last year, we were blowing teams away. Then came the end of the season where we lost 3 out of 4, barely scrapped by the bengals in the play-offs.
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Them Bengals are playing good ball right now. They eeked out a good one against Green Bay yesterday.

EllisUnit said:
We are not playing very good football right now, everyone can see that and yet after 3 games we are still 2-1. Would you rather hit your peak at the start of the season or gain momentum towards the middle/end of the season. Every season the texans lay a big fat goose egg atleast once that makes you say WTF, yesterday was just that.
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I think I can understand some of the poor outlook a lot of us have. We started out red hot last year, despite glaring problems that did not get fixed as the season went on. We continued to win in spite of those problems, until they caught up with us in December.

Right now, it's hard to see any good will being built to allow for the fall in December & there's little reason to believe the powers that be have what it takes to right the ship.

EllisUnit said:
On the bright side this is not an 8-8 team at best like another thread states. Foster is looking like the old foster again, Watt is still watt, Cushing is playing like a mad man, Our Defense really isnt playing to terrible besides a few big plays. Its really the offense thats making life difficult for them. Reed finally played he got his feet wet and will only get better, which will make the whole secondary better. And despite what we saw yesterday our offense is pretty damn good.
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That's another thing. It's not the offense. When we needed to, we've been able to march the ball down the field with relative ease. The problem, is that we don't play like that until we "need" to.

We should want to get down the field & score on every possession. You'd think the players & coaches know that, but at a very high level (even a layman can see it) there is a distinct difference between when we need to & when we want to. The Texans need to find a way to close that gap.

EllisUnit said:
We all wait for the games all week long, we all have expectations so it is no surprise we go out and play bad on Sunday and before you know it we are the new browns to a lot of our fans. Emotions are a funny thing, make you say and think stuff that is clearly not true. And those who are now saying this is a bad team, that is simply not true. We'll be fine !!!
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I admire your support of your team. We need more like you. But is that the "fan" talking? Honest question, have you ever seen this team play better at the end of the season than it did at the beginning? Not beating up on the weaker teams at the end of the schedule, or winning games the other team couldn't care less about? I mean actually playing better football... the eyeball test.

It's been a long time since I've actually seen them play better in December than they did in September. I believe most of us know it, even though we're saying it in different ways, that's what upsets us.
 
EllisUnit said:
On a side note did anyone else have trouble getting onto TT about half way through the game ?
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Yeah, Chrome kept telling me for a while it couldn't load TT then it would for a split second then it would disappear again. I just assumed the diarrhea Schaub was ejecting on the field hit the servers too. Really need to get him those Sheilds and Guards soon.

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While I also agree it's not time to panic full bore yet. It's laughable to just sweep this under the rug at the same time (not that you're doing that but there are sunshine pumpers already emerging doing that).
 
thunderkyss said:
Them Bengals are playing good ball right now. They eeked out a good one against Green Bay yesterday.



I think I can understand some of the poor outlook a lot of us have. We started out red hot last year, despite glaring problems that did not get fixed as the season went on. We continued to win in spite of those problems, until they caught up with us in December.

Right now, it's hard to see any good will being built to allow for the fall in December & there's little reason to believe the powers that be have what it takes to right the ship.



That's another thing. It's not the offense. When we needed to, we've been able to march the ball down the field with relative ease. The problem, is that we don't play like that until we "need" to.

We should want to get down the field & score on every possession. You'd think the players & coaches know that, but at a very high level (even a layman can see it) there is a distinct difference between when we need to & when we want to. The Texans need to find a way to close that gap.



I admire your support of your team. We need more like you. But is that the "fan" talking? Honest question, have you ever seen this team play better at the end of the season than it did at the beginning? Not beating up on the weaker teams at the end of the schedule, or winning games the other team couldn't care less about? I mean actually playing better football... the eyeball test.

It's been a long time since I've actually seen them play better in December than they did in September. I believe most of us know it, even though we're saying it in different ways, that's what upsets us.
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Well since they sare playing so poor now, this might be the year we actually do it, well thats what him hoping for.
 
I'm not gonna calm down until I see a super bowl parade in downtown Houston. And I'll keep bitching and moaning about everything I don't like until then.
 
I'm sorry to be so negative but this really feels like 2010 to me. We had a couple last second wins, stumble to 4-2 and then the wheels really came off. The sky is not falling but we have some serious problems.
 
Nope , not gonna do it.


I'm done with the noodle armed statue of a QB.

I'm thoroughly convinced that Schaub isn't capable of leading this team to a Lombardi Trophy.

For the guy to be successful , everything else has to be perfect and in the NFL , you just cant expect that.
 
We were 3-12 on third down this week, anyone want to pick out the 3rd down conversion attempts and break down what really went wrong?

- twice I saw 3rd and > 10 we ran the draw, and gave up (kubiak)
- twice I saw Matt throw a ball 2-3 yards short of the first down hoping they would pick this up (not sure who to blame here)

I don't have anything else on the rest but the above already makes me sick and kills me year in year out. Kubiak again plays the safe game.. Matt doesn't seem to skills at QB to get the tough 3rd down conversions. Of late he's been staring down his primary receiver hard core and not going through the progressions either. What's up with that?
 
Corrosion said:
Nope , not gonna do it.


I'm done with the noodle armed statue of a QB.

I'm thoroughly convinced that Schaub isn't capable of leading this team to a Lombardi Trophy.

For the guy to be successful , everything else has to be perfect and in the NFL , you just cant expect that.
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QFT. I've been a Schaub apologist but I just can't do it anymore. We need a new QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
I was thinking save two plays we would be 3-0 right now.
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Honestly, I think the first two weeks were closer to defeats than victories. I guess we see Things differently :)

I'm satisfied with any sort of Progress at this point, but going into turtle mode whenever we start a game, I just Wonder...
 
ST coverage is a pile of hot garbage.

Offense slept walked through this entire game; that's a HUGE cause for concern.

To me, the Defense gets a pass. How many 3 and outs did they cause in the first half? Offense consistently started mid-field and proceeded to take dump right around there.

ST and Offense were responsible for 14/30 points the Ravens scored.

On the bright side Bullock went 3/3. Suddenly those long misses don't seem so pressing when the Offense is crapping the bed and rolling around in it.

One more thing, why does it take AJ going down to get Nuk the ball?
 
If Duane Brown comes back healthy, and the O-Line begins to gel.. We will be fine. We only go as far as that unit takes us.

And this in no way reminds me of 2010. That defense was the worst that the game of football has ever seen. :shades:
 
Tailgate said:
If Duane Brown comes back healthy, and the O-Line begins to gel.. We will be fine. We only go as far as that unit takes us.
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I don't think we need to wait to see if Brown is going to be able to go... It's better if we assume the worse & act accordingly. We need to spread the defense, more 4 & even 5 wide sets out of the shotgun. Run uptempo dinks & dunks to get the ball moving.... can't depend on the pass protection.

Back the defense up... shift to an ACE set from the shotgun & stretch the crap out of the defense.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think we need to wait to see if Brown is going to be able to go... It's better if we assume the worse & act accordingly. We need to spread the defense, more 4 & even 5 wide sets out of the shotgun. Run uptempo dinks & dunks to get the ball moving.... can't depend on the pass protection.

Back the defense up... shift to an ACE set from the shotgun & stretch the crap out of the defense.
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Does that mean you have confidence in Schaub to execute that plan ?! I'm rapidly losing faith in him.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think we need to wait to see if Brown is going to be able to go... It's better if we assume the worse & act accordingly. We need to spread the defense, more 4 & even 5 wide sets out of the shotgun. Run uptempo dinks & dunks to get the ball moving.... can't depend on the pass protection.

Back the defense up... shift to an ACE set from the shotgun & stretch the crap out of the defense.
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I'm cool with trying more of that. Normally I would say well, we arent going to play a front 7 as talanted as the Ravens very often.....
 
The first three games of this season are reminding me of the first three games of the 2010 season.
 
It could be worse.

At least we scored three field goals, Tampa Bay only scored one. :kitten:

All other teams managed at least one TD.

:coffee:
 
I'm calm, but the Texans have some things to fix and haven't really gotten out of the slow start slump yet.

A. Special Teams - We finished dead last in 2012. If not for Bullock touchbacks and Lechler bombs, we might already be there in 2013. Lanes are evidently only for freeways.

B. Schaub - Two (and virtually a third) pick six in three games? At most, one of those was on the WR. You expect your QB to get you out of holes, not to dig them for you.

C. Injuries - Brown missing was noticeable almost immediately. False start the first series and inability to punch it in down close twice. AJ being out we worked around at home, but Schaub couldn't manage to find folks open once he went out in Baltimore.

D. Playcalling - Even 610 pointed out to Schaub this morning that we're dead last in long pass attempts. 3rd and 10+? Let's run a draw or throw a 7-yd. route and pray. Maybe that'll work consistently against inferior competition, but not against a good/great defense.

Our team momentum isn't trending "up" yet.
 
As a fan base, we've tried to ignore in victory what we would not ignore on defeat. So now people will complain about symptoms that have been there since the start of the season.
 
Thorn said:
I'm not gonna calm down until I see a super bowl parade in downtown Houston. And I'll keep bitching and moaning about everything I don't like until then.
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Yep

This acceptance of mediocrity is sickening.

Gary Kubiak is Head Coach for life.

Almost a decade later and Kubiak is really no better of a HC than he was as a rookie. (Yes I know his clock management and challanges have gotten better.) I mean when has Gary ever held his AC's accountable? He fired Bush to save his own skin, under direct orders from BoB.

Bottom line for me is: if Gary was a true leader Coach Joe would've been gone a long time ago.

Coach Joe Must Go
 
eriadoc said:
As a fan base, we've tried to ignore in victory what we would not ignore on defeat. So now people will complain about symptoms that have been there since the start of the season.
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Absolutely right. The sky didn't fall yesterday, we've been knee deep in clouds all season.
 
I'm calm, but this team really should be 0-3 and now have Seattle and SF looming. Good luck with that Texans. They'll have more losses than wins before too long.
 
disaacks3 said:
D. Playcalling - Even 610 pointed out to Schaub this morning that we're dead last in long pass attempts. 3rd and 10+? Let's run a draw or throw a 7-yd. route and pray. Maybe that'll work consistently agaisnt inferior competition, but not against a good/great defense.
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Kubiak is the most predictible play caller in the league.
 
disaacks3 said:
I'm calm, but the Texans have some things to fix and haven't really gotten out of the slow start slump yet.

A. Special Teams - We finished dead last in 2012. If not for Bullock touchbacks and Lechler bombs, we might already be there in 2013. Lanes are evidently only for freeways.

B. Schaub - Two (and virtually a third) pick six in three games? At most, one of those was on the WR. You expect your QB to get you out of holes, not to dig them for you.

C. Injuries - Brown missing was noticeable almost immediately. False start the first series and inability to punch it in down close twice. AJ being out we worked around at home, but Schaub couldn't manage to find folks open once he went out in Baltimore.

D. Playcalling - Even 610 pointed out to Schaub this morning that we're dead last in long pass attempts. 3rd and 10+? Let's run a draw or throw a 7-yd. route and pray. Maybe that'll work consistently against inferior competition, but not against a good/great defense.

Our team momentum isn't trending "up" yet.
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One thing I would add to this is defense is NOT forcing Turnovers. They are holding opponents down, but can only do so much with an innaffective offense.
 
This "we should be 0-3" is a bunch of a crap. We made plays to win those games. Oh no, we had to make plays to win a game. It wasn't pretty. Who gives a crap? Teams make plays. That's what happens in the NFL. Good on paper doesn't translate to good on the field.
 
Corrosion said:
Does that mean you have confidence in Schaub to execute that plan ?! I'm rapidly losing faith in him.
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Absolutely. He's looked good when he's run an uptempo offense. If we get Schaub in a rhythm, I think he can be great.
 
I am calm :)

The Ravens game went as I expected it to based on history and what I consider to be a fair assessment of this team. They continue struggle against pretenders and continue to implode against contenders. While there are exceptions to this rule, for the most part, it's spot on. Fortunately, they are a good enough team to overcome the pretenders and in the past 2 years, that has equated to becoming the reigning NFL post season paper tiger. IMHO, that comes from a poor Special Teams component and a QB that is good. Not great, not elite.. Just good. I won't get down on Matt. All QB's will make mistakes and have bad games. Tell me the last time you saw a game that made you feel Matt was the reason the Texans won? ie, he carried the team to victory? And if so, who did they play?
 
eriadoc said:
Agreed. But the notion that the team could be 0-3 is different than should be. In other words, don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't in defeat.
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I don't deny we have issues, no one that follows this team should deny that. However, every team has issues. That doesn't make ours any bigger than everyone else. 2-1 sure beats 0-3.

Hopefully something positive comes from this beating. :texflag:
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep

This acceptance of mediocrity is sickening.

Gary Kubiak is Head Coach for life.

Almost a decade later and Kubiak is really no better of a HC than he was as a rookie. (Yes I know his clock management and challanges have gotten better.) I mean when has Gary ever held his AC's accountable? He fired Bush to save his own skin, under direct orders from BoB.

Bottom line for me is: if Gary was a true leader Coach Joe would've been gone a long time ago.

Coach Joe Must Go
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Just pointing out how silly this sounds. We were rattling off the problems this team had from week 1. None of those problems went away, but we managed to win 12 games in spite of them. We won the division, we won a play off game.. & it don't matter to me who we beat. They were there, they got beat.

All because Kubiak does a good job of covering up our weaknesses.

We lose one game & we're talking about mediocrity..... that's silly. There are real issues here, to make sht up.... that's just, well.... silly.
 
PapaL said:
I don't deny we have issues, no one that follows this team should deny that. However, every team has issues. That doesn't make ours any bigger than everyone else. 2-1 sure beats 0-3.

Hopefully something positive comes from this beating. :texflag:
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2-3, here we come.
 
thunderkyss said:
Absolutely. He's looked good when he's run an uptempo offense. If we get Schaub in a rhythm, I think he can be great.
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Schaub needs some of what you are smoking! :heh:


eriadoc said:
He also does a pretty good job of creating those weaknesses. This is his team. He built it, he coached it, he selected the asst coaches, and he even selected his GM.
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I wonder how much of that is his QB .... We know he cant move well. He doesn't have a strong arm .... and from the looks of the last three games , he isn't reading defenses very well. I have to wonder if the league has figured him out.
 
Corrosion said:
I wonder how much of that is his QB .... We know he cant move well. He doesn't have a strong arm .... and from the looks of the last three games , he isn't reading defenses very well. I have to wonder if the league has figured him out.
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Maybe Schaub needs new contacts lenses. He sure isn't seeing 'ish out there.

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Same ol' stuff, different year. We have two really good WR's besides AJ in Hopkins and Posey so what's the excuse for the 3-5 yards passes? Screens on long 3rd downs? We are SOFT. Just like the Longhorns. Starts with the HC. Also, Schaub might be the least athletic QB in the entire league.

I'm so tired of people defending Schaub and Gary. It's exactly like last year and the years before. Slow starts. Predictable play calling. Everything has to be perfect for Schaub to perform. My emotions are put to the side for this season because I see exactly what kind of team we are. It's a shame because we are loaded with talent except at QB. There are far worse OL in the league with the QB playing above it. Ugh..
 
bOODRO87 said:
Same ol' stuff, different year. We have two really good WR's besides AJ in Hopkins and Posey so what's the excuse for the 3-5 yards passes? Screens on long 3rd downs? We are SOFT. Just like the Longhorns. Starts with the HC. Also, Schaub might be the least athletic QB in the entire league.

I'm so tired of people defending Schaub and Gary. It's exactly like last year and the years before. Slow starts. Predictable play calling. Everything has to be perfect for Schaub to perform. My emotions are put to the side for this season because I see exactly what kind of team we are. It's a shame because we are loaded with talent except at QB. There are far worse OL in the league with the QB playing above it. Ugh..
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This something else that ticks me off... I got the texans app and I'm looking at the post game interviews. They got Andre Johnson, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Shane Lechler and Ryan Harris talking. Where in the hell is Matt Schaub? Somewhere hiding behind Gary Kubiak next to Rick Dennison! Speak up man say something... I wish the players on our team would just go ahead and call Schaub out. I am sick of this dude being cuddled and nurtured. My bet is Arian Foster is the first to do it.
 
cstyle42 said:
This something else that ticks me off... I got the texans app and I'm looking at the post game interviews. They got Andre Johnson, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Shane Lechler and Ryan Harris talking. Where in the hell is Matt Schaub? Somewhere hiding behind Gary Kubiak next to Rick Dennison! Speak up man say something... I wish the players on our team would just go ahead and call Schaub out. I am sick of this dude being cuddled and nurtured. My bet is Arian Foster is the first to do it.
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He did his Matt Schaub show this morning. I'm waiting for the podcast on HT.com
 
thunderkyss said:
Just pointing out how silly this sounds. We were rattling off the problems this team had from week 1. None of those problems went away, but we managed to win 12 games in spite of them. We won the division, we won a play off game.. & it don't matter to me who we beat. They were there, they got beat.

All because Kubiak does a good job of covering up our weaknesses.

We lose one game & we're talking about mediocrity..... that's silly. There are real issues here, to make sht up.... that's just, well.... silly.
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The point is that this team has peaked under Gary/Matt and since Gary is HC for life then yes it's best to move on from Schaub. Be it with T.J./Case or a draft pick.

And yes, keeping a ST's coach of the worst ST's in the NFL and expecting a different result, even when you spend $$$$ on the best P in in NFL history is ludicrous/excepting mediocrity and not holding people accountable. All of which seems to be a staple of Gary's regime.

But hey, these guys are all great guys.
 
Ah yes, the all encompassing "Everybody Calm Down" thread that comes after Texans fans are displeased about what they see on the field...

Personally, I am tired of calming down. I've been calm for 12 years now, I've been calm for what 8 years now with this head coach?

Calm walked it's self right out the door at the end of last year when a 2nd year coach was in the Super Bowl and our 7-8th year coach has only 2 playoffs wins under his belt.

Calm walked out the door when I am watching teams that were 7-9, 6-10, 2-14 turn it around in one year and make noise in the playoffs, while THIS team keeps on with status quo...

Calm walked out the door when the EXACT same problems that plagued this team last year, are still plaguing this team this year. When you see that nothing has changed from the last time you saw this team...

Screw calm, it's time to rage against the machine...
 
eriadoc said:
Agreed. But the notion that the team could be 0-3 is different than should be. In other words, don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't in defeat.
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Agree with this statement 100%, but that has always been the motto of this board. Ignore the glaring problems and get irritated at others who bring up the concerns ahead of time, but then totally freak out when the team loses and go all haywire over it then. Symptoms are always there, but when a team wins even if it's ugly people like to gloss over it. I questioned whether Kubiak would start a guy like Wilson or Kaepernick, because I don't think Kubiak would have ever opened up the competition to either guy. I think he is attached to Schaub and that is the only alternative he wants. I think that is a problem that we might have to be tied to Schaub for another two or three more years due to Gary's attachment. That is a problem that shouldn't be accepted for that much longer as more and more people are certain that we can't win with Schaub.
 
Corrosion said:
I have to wonder if the league has figured him out.
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I think some in the league have figured out a couple of hot read adjustments we make.


thunderkyss said:
He did his Matt Schaub show this morning. I'm waiting for the podcast on HT.com
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I heard Schaub for a couple of minutes this morning and was reminded what a waste of time it is. All coach speak.
 
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