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that the two main concerns with our squad AS IS, are the O-Line and OLB pass rush?

Well, the Oline goes from average to BAD immediately w/ out D Brown, and our OLB pass rush may be non existent all year im afraid.

Unless these areas improve its going to define our season this year. We are too fragile at QB and secondary, and we have to mask this as best we can w Strong Oline and pass rush.
 
Tailgate said:
that the two main concerns with our squad AS IS, are the O-Line and OLB pass rush?

Well, the Oline goes from average to BAD immediately w/ out D Brown, and our OLB pass rush may be non existent all year im afraid.

Unless these areas improve its going to define our season this year. We are too fragile at QB and secondary, and we have to mask this as best we can w Strong Oline and pass rush.
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This is true BUT a better qb would mask our oline and score tds thus allowing our D to attack. Just saying
 
ATXtexanfan said:
This is true BUT a better qb would mask our oline and score tds thus allowing our D to attack. Just saying
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No doubt about it. But in regards to the team and QB we actually have and for what THIS season is worth... The Oline and pass rush have to improve for us to even have a chance. All is not lost if we can fix these areas. Meaning D Brown comes back and gains pro bowl form, rest of oline gels, and for crying outloud somebody steps up at the OLB positon.

Alot to ask right now.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
This is true BUT a better qb would mask our oline and score tds thus allowing our D to attack. Just saying
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This. this. THIS!

Schaub is the lynchpin to all this. Wades D is high risk/ high reward. Works best when your offense can score points and not give them to the opponents D every game.
 
Mr teX said:
Ask kaepernick how this is working out for him right now..
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Maybe Kaepernick is getting exposed...as for us, we look like the 3rd best team in the division so far.

I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in the Texans than I was today...our shortcomings were magnified today, and if something is not done soon, this will be a long year.
 
tedr said:
Maybe Kaepernick is getting exposed...as for us, we look like the 3rd best team in the division so far.

I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in the Texans than I was today...our shortcomings were magnified today, and if something is not done soon, this will be a long year.
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yeah, but we sure can move the ball between the 20's
 
tedr said:
Maybe Kaepernick is getting exposed...as for us, we look like the 3rd best team in the division so far.

I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in the Texans than I was today...our shortcomings were magnified today, and if something is not done soon, this will be a long year.
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I can see being the 2nd best behind the Colts, but until the Titans beat us we're still better than they are. I still think at the end of the season we'll still be winning the division.
 
tedr said:
Maybe Kaepernick is getting exposed...as for us, we look like the 3rd best team in the division so far.

I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in the Texans than I was today...our shortcomings were magnified today, and if something is not done soon, this will be a long year.
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But but but he's got a strong arm and He's mobile and he can run and He makes plays.......he's got a good defense behind him....the best o-line in the league. Whatever could be the problem...:thinking:i thought this is all that was needed to be a great qb in the NFL..
 
Mr teX said:
Ask kaepernick how this is working out for him right now..
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What do the 49ers and Kaepernick have to do with this?

Lets see, the Texans go out and sign one of the 2 best P in NFL history and the ST's still allow a PR TD.

Coach Joe must go.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
This is true BUT a better qb would mask our oline and score tds thus allowing our D to attack. Just saying
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Our QB play was bad, no doubt about it. Last week our QB play kept us in and ultimately won the game. Matt has to play like he did last week not like he did this week. I keep saying that and people keep saying I'm wrong but go back and look. Matt found a way to play well in spite of bad play around him last week. This week he played down to the lowest common denominator.

Mike
 
steelbtexan said:
What do the 49ers and Kaepernick have to do with this?

Lets see, the Texans go out and sign one of the 2 best P in NFL history and the ST's still allow a PR TD.

Coach Joe must go.
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Nothing really...it just illustrates what i've been saying all day.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I can see being the 2nd best behind the Colts, but until the Titans beat us we're still better than they are. I still think at the end of the season we'll still be winning the division.
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It's Indy's division again.

Just cross out Manning and write in Luck and we get to re-live the last 10 years all over again.
 
WolverineFan said:
It's Indy's division again.

Just cross out Manning and write in Luck and we get to re-live the last 10 years all over again.
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Last year at this time the sunshine club was being chastised for enjoying being 3-0. They were told that they were lucky despite winning by double digits. The Colts are 2-1 now & it's the Colt's division?

They lost to Miami!!!
 
Miami looks surprisingly decent.

The Texans should still take the division though. I have that much faith at least. I think we'll be one and done if Schaub stays in.
 
thunderkyss said:
Last year at this time the sunshine club was being chastised for enjoying being 3-0. They were told that they were lucky despite winning by double digits. The Colts are 2-1 now & it's the Colt's division?

They lost to Miami!!!
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I don't remember saying we were lucky. I do remember pointing out flaws that would later come back to bite us in the ass. Poor outside pass rush, lulls I'm offensive production.

If I had to bet right now and my choices were texans sweep colts or colts sweep texans, I'm taking the colts.

I just have 0 faith in this team to do what we want them to do.

It's fine to look on the bright side too though. Me, I'm just saying how I feel like most here. And what I feel is that this team is stuck in neutral and pretty soon will start rolling backwards.

I agree 100% with Derrick ward in that Schaub is not the guy. I think we need a change there. I just don't feel it with Matt. Along with some other tangible things. I don't think that deep down everyone with the team has confidence in him either. They'll say it publicly, but I see it. They know that if the other team steps their game up Matt doesn't have another level to take his game to. They can only wish and hope one of his floaters is snagged out of the air by a receiver making a play. Or we call a screen pass that works to perfection and nets a big gain.

Matt is about as mediocre as they come. Not terrible enough to where he's a glaring blemish, but not good enough to where you see greatness in his play. You have to search the stat book to tell me why Matt is a good qb.

When we get rid of Matt I'd be more interested in the other problems. Until that time, I think we are just spinning our wheels. Every team is going to have holes in the damn. We just can't afford to have a qb that creates more holes and isn't good enough to cover any others up.
 
waynegg said:
Miami looks surprisingly decent.

The Texans should still take the division though. I have that much faith at least. I think we'll be one and done if Schaub stays in.
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Miami finally drafted a good young qb.

It's amazing how teams fortunes change based on the qb.

We immediately became better going from terrible carr to mediocre Matt. I think now is the time for the next step.
 
Rey said:
Miami finally drafted a good young qb.

It's amazing how teams fortunes change based on the qb.

We immediately became better going from terrible carr to mediocre Matt. I think now is the time for the next step.
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tannehill got a rocket arm to beat coverages and tight windows from x&goal..
 
thunderkyss said:
Last year at this time the sunshine club was being chastised for enjoying being 3-0. They were told that they were lucky despite winning by double digits. The Colts are 2-1 now & it's the Colt's division?

They lost to Miami!!!
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Miami just beat Atlanta.

Next 2 games for them will be a true test in NO and Baltimore.

If they come out on top of both or even split, they have a very good chance of winning that division...

HOWEVA! Texans are squeaking out wins against the Chargers and Titans and could very well be 3-6 in the next 6 games...

Seattle
Niners
St. Louis
KC
Indy
Arizona

Not a very good time to already get exposed before heading into the meat of a hard schedule...

ho hum....
 
Rey said:
Miami finally drafted a good young qb.

It's amazing how teams fortunes change based on the qb.

We immediately became better going from terrible carr to mediocre Matt. I think now is the time for the next step.
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If the Texans choose to draft a highly touted QB, I hope they have the sense not to start him right away.

I still think that Schaub's successor is on the team right now. I was very impressed with Yates and Keenum in PS. They both possess very good accuracy, know the system and are much more mobile than Schaub. Maybe a mobile QB who can create on a broken play would allow Kubiak to be more willing to trust his QB to make those plays rather than shackling him to throwing the ball away or assuming the fetal position.
 
Reed can set the edge but we get zero pass rush outta him. Put him inside next year. It's unfortunate plan b and c failed at right tackle (q and b williams) because Newton is jag. Schaub wasn't miserable today but he was behind on a lot of throws limiting yac opportunities. Dude really needs a clean pocket and rhythm to play well and he's not getting either. Penalties were embarrassing. I really dont give a damn if the birds had a bunch to...that's on the coaching staff.

Im not to upset with the d. 14 points off an int and special teams isn't their fault. I will say cush looks good moving forward or backwards but his lateral movement is not what it was and i've seen some embarassing moments recently. Regardless, we're not going to win many games off 9 points. Pretty sad kubes. Other guys I want to see upgraded (excluding the obvious ol and olb problems) are brice mccain and kmart. McCain is the guy i'd target all day as long as he's on the field. Kmart provides zero yac potential and i'd like someone with honest big play potential in the slot. It's unfortunate he gets so much more playing time then posey (no, I didnt forget about his injury so skip it.)

Consider what happens when we try to throw deep:

A. Schaub underthrows the ball
B. Schaub doesn't have time due to a leaky ol
C. Every deep ball looks contested (aj and dhop do a good job of fighting like hell for the ball in the air, but do you ever see them flat out run someone?)
D. When we do have someone wide open it's a scheme/blown assignment on say a play fake...it's not "our talent beat your talent."

Don't mean to harp on the deep ball because it's not even our biggest problem...it just contributes to our run game issues which defenses seem to be figuring out. They play sound gap discipline and use the sideline as a 12th defender. Foster HAS lost a step...or at least he's not in season form because of the preseason lay off.

2 yard stretch plays and 3-4 yard curl routes aren't gonna get it done. To top it off we go comatose in the redzone. We absolutely dominated the first quarter. Field position. Yards. Time of possession. None of that means **** with penalties, turnovers, special team scores, and Randy Bullock as your primary scoring option. Pretty pathetic for 3 quarters today.

My 3 game mvp is Lechler.
 
cstyle42 said:
Some of us are too slow to understand this simple fact I just wish Bob Mcnair wasn't.
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I think we all understand it , as does Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith .... which is proven by the types of plays the team calls & the type of team they have built around him.


The problem is , where the hell do we find an upgrade "Right Now!"


Yates isn't better than Schaub.

Keenum isn't better than Schaub.

No one on the scrap heap is better than .... the statue of Schaub.


So please , tell me where we get an upgrade to start week 4 or beyond this season.
 
Powda, I've been saying the texans don't have anyone who can step on toes or make dbs open their hips. Even aj can't do it,but he's a good enogh rt runner to sell rts deep. I really like hopkins,but dbs aren't scared of him running buy them.
 
Rey said:
If I had to bet right now and my choices were texans sweep colts or colts sweep texans, I'm taking the colts.
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I don't think anyone expected the Colts to go to SF & stymie the 49ers. We didn't expect our Texans to either, but now the pressure is on to at least get a W.

Watching how the 49ers played against the Colts, you'd think someone would think we've got a chance. Unfortunately, I doubt we can find 53 people who do.

Rey said:
I agree 100% with Derrick ward in that Schaub is not the guy. I think we need a change there. I just don't feel it with Matt. Along with some other tangible things. I don't think that deep down everyone with the team has confidence in him either. They'll say it publicly, but I see it.
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The homers here will say it never happened, but I thought I saw a spark when Tj took over in 2011. A spark in the team. Not that I think the team thought he was better, or would rather Tj over Schaub... but like you I think we're all ready for a change.

Rey said:
Matt is about as mediocre as they come. Not terrible enough to where he's a glaring blemish, but not good enough to where you see greatness in his play. You have to search the stat book to tell me why Matt is a good qb.

When we get rid of Matt I'd be more interested in the other problems. Until that time, I think we are just spinning our wheels. Every team is going to have holes in the damn. We just can't afford to have a qb that creates more holes and isn't good enough to cover any others up.
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I think we're too focused on the QB. I believe "It's a QB league" is over-played. Even the best QBs will lose a game every now & then. No running game, look what happened to Green Bay yesterday. It's been happening to Romo for the last 5 years or so. No defense... Kaepernick can look human. Your play makers aren't making plays... look back at how mediocre Brady looked against Baltimore in the AFC Championship game.

The big difference between those guys & Schaub, is that they'll win a game for their team more frequently than Matt will. Roethlisberger & Eli "should" be in that group as well, but they're faced with more problems right now than they can overcome.

We won 10 games in 2011 & would have won more had Schaub stayed healthy. We won 12 games in 2012 with a gimp in December. This is our team & while I will agree Schaub isn't pushing us forward, he's not holding us back.

If it's 4th & 2 and my HC has no confidence in running the ball with either back, that tells me our problem is not our QB. This is a team. Teams win games. Teams win Division Titles, teams win Championships.

So yeah, I like Cushing & Watt & Jjo, etc... but when we needed them to get the Ravens off the field, it didn't happen. Doesn't matter how we got in the situation we were in.

When we needed Arian or Tate to pick up a first down, it didn't happen near as often as it should have. If we need Andre, or DeAndre to make a play & pick up 2 yards on 3rd down..... didn't happen. The QB picked up 4, the play maker needs to pick up 2.

I'm not asking for everything to go right, just asking for more than what we got, from the whole team.
 
cstyle42 said:
They will fire Vance Joseph before they fire Joe Marciano I know how the Texans are.
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they're talking about it right now on 610. on that return for TD, spacing was fine, just that Keo, Bramen & Swearinger all fell down. Why? Keshawn returns all kicks, does he strike fear into anybody? during offseason where special teams really needed to improve, other than bringing in Shane Lechler, its all the same if not worse....:kitten:
 
Look on the bright side, the probability that the next 2 teams we face knock out our QB is quite high.

(Sarcastic humor notice for all the bluebloods in here that will lose their god damn minds over this comment)

On a serious note, where is Willie Jefferson??
 
beerlover said:
they're talking about it right now on 610. on that return for TD, spacing was fine, just that Keo, Bramen & Swearinger all fell down. Why? Keshawn returns all kicks, does he strike fear into anybody? during offseason where special teams really needed to improve, other than bringing in Shane Lechler, its all the same if not worse....:kitten:
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Well Texans love to put the blame on guys that the blame shouldn't be put on. Like Holliday and Jacoby Jones maybe Keshawn Martin will get the opportunity to play for another contender with better blocking and a better qb and system then win a super bowl.
 
Tailgate said:
that the two main concerns with our squad AS IS, are the O-Line and OLB pass rush?

Well, the Oline goes from average to BAD immediately w/ out D Brown, and our OLB pass rush may be non existent all year im afraid.

Unless these areas improve its going to define our season this year. We are too fragile at QB and secondary, and we have to mask this as best we can w Strong Oline and pass rush.
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Ravens local columnist gave the ravens Offensive Line a "C" for their performance yesterday.

Any component of a team is never as bad or as good as you think
 
Texanmike02 said:
Our QB play was bad, no doubt about it. Last week our QB play kept us in and ultimately won the game. Matt has to play like he did last week not like he did this week. I keep saying that and people keep saying I'm wrong but go back and look. Matt found a way to play well in spite of bad play around him last week. This week he played down to the lowest common denominator.

Mike
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you think the MS play from the Titans game was what he should be aiming for? Sheesh some people have low expectations.
 
Corrosion said:
The problem is , where the hell do we find an upgrade "Right Now!"


Yates isn't better than Schaub.

Keenum isn't better than Schaub.

No one on the scrap heap is better than .... the statue of Schaub.


So please , tell me where we get an upgrade to start week 4 or beyond this season.
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Does it really matter? If Schaub isn't that great throw those young'ns out there. If we're not getting to the Super Bowl, we're not getting to the Super Bowl. Why waste time with Schaub?

IF Yates/Keenum are going to get better, it's not going to happen from the side line.
 
cstyle42 said:
Well Texans love to put the blame on guys that the blame shouldn't be put on. Like Holliday and Jacoby Jones maybe Keshawn Martin will get the opportunity to play for another contender with better blocking and a better qb and system then win a super bowl.
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Have you seen Quentin Demps returning for the Chiefs? He looks good & I didn't even know that was part of his game.

He's starting for them as well at safety & he don't look bad.
 
thunderkyss said:
Have you seen Quentin Demps returning for the Chiefs? He looks good & I didn't even know that was part of his game.

He's starting for them as well at safety & he don't look bad.
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Yeah man I saw that and it ticked me off. I had no idea he could return either. I hate the idea or to think the Texans run a good ol boy system but it clearly looks like it.
 
Corrosion said:
I think we all understand it , as does Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith .... which is proven by the types of plays the team calls & the type of team they have built around him.


The problem is , where the hell do we find an upgrade "Right Now!"


Yates isn't better than Schaub.

Keenum isn't better than Schaub.

No one on the scrap heap is better than .... the statue of Schaub.


So please , tell me where we get an upgrade to start week 4 or beyond this season.
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Since all of the people you say know that Matt Schaub isn't the answer passed up Peyton Manning for a million excuses that dont make any sense when you truly understand the nfl is a quarterbacks league. The answer NOW is you gotta give Yates and Keenum a chance. I believe Keenum would succeed in this offense. The running lane is wide open for a qb in this offense and once the threat of that is established... it makes it easier for the qb to hit an open receiver, tide end or running back. However the texans don't want to let Keenum run with the starters. I've seen Yates but NONE OF US have seen Keenum with the ones so I don't want to hear no BS about he wouldn't play better than Schaub.
 
beerlover said:
they're talking about it right now on 610. on that return for TD, spacing was fine, just that Keo, Bramen & Swearinger all fell down. Why? Keshawn returns all kicks, does he strike fear into anybody? during offseason where special teams really needed to improve, other than bringing in Shane Lechler, its all the same if not worse....:kitten:
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Braman and DJ were the culprit.
Braman was the guy who set the wheel in motion, I think.
I want to wait for the All-22 views to be sure though.
 
cstyle42 said:
Since all of the people you say know that Matt Schaub isn't the answer passed up Peyton Manning for a million excuses that dont make any sense when you truly understand the nfl is a quarterbacks league. The answer NOW is you gotta give Yates and Keenum a chance. I believe Keenum would succeed in this offense. The running lane is wide open for a qb in this offense and once the threat of that is established... it makes it easier for the qb to hit an open receiver, tide end or running back. However the texans don't want to let Keenum run with the starters. I've seen Yates but NONE OF US have seen Keenum with the ones so I don't want to hear no BS about he wouldn't play better than Schaub.
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You need about $6M extra in cap space in 2012 and about $7M in 2013; you don't have it, what are you going to do?
Even if you cut AJ, you wouldn't have enough.
 
Corrosion said:
I think we all understand it , as does Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith .... which is proven by the types of plays the team calls & the type of team they have built around him.


The problem is , where the hell do we find an upgrade "Right Now!"


Yates isn't better than Schaub.

Keenum isn't better than Schaub.

No one on the scrap heap is better than .... the statue of Schaub.


So please , tell me where we get an upgrade to start week 4 or beyond this season.
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So what you're saying is the Texans need to do everything in their power to get a QB in next yrs draft? I realize that when Schaub signed that extention the Texans org married its self to Schaub. But the team needs to find out if TJ/Case are the future, because it's obvious that Schaub isn't the future.

I get that Gary is giving himself the best chance to win now using Schaub, but it will be his downfall in the longrun. If BoB decides to hold him accountable. Which using history as a barometer Gary will not be held accountable for the state of the franchise.

I equate Gary to Mack Browns situation. They are both great guys, but are slightly above avg at their jobs. Mack kept Greg Davis around long after he should've been fired and it looks like Mack will be fired after this yr. Joe Marciano is to Gary what Davis was to Brown. If BoB were to expecting to put the best product possible on the field.

Why do you think that Gary continues to keep Coach Joe around after all of these yrs of suckitude?
 
76Texan said:
You need about $6M extra in cap space in 2012 and about $7M in 2013; you don't have it, what are you going to do?
Even if you cut AJ, you wouldn't have enough.
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Make more cuts. Make trades for draft picks. Mold the team around a great or good qb versus a defense or a great running game. You do what you got to do to win super bowls bottom line. There is a reason a houston football team has not been to a super bowl let alone win one.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
This is true BUT a better qb would mask our oline and score tds thus allowing our D to attack. Just saying
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Well our lousy QB even without a td yesterday is only behind Peyton Rivers and Rodgers in TDs so throwing TD isnt the problem. Foster/Tate 1 rushing TD or any td for that matter matched by brain cushing in terms of points. Its far from throwing tds thats our problem
 
2012Champs said:
Well our lousy QB even without a td yesterday is only behind Peyton Rivers and Rodgers in TDs so throwing TD isnt the problem. Foster/Tate 1 rushing TD or any td for that matter matched by brain cushing in terms of points. Its far from throwing tds thats our problem
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Schaub's inconsistency is the biggest problem. For example, how many touchdowns did he throw yesterday? Stats are really deceiving. Manning, brady, Flacco, Big Ben and Rodgers have super bowls and Schaub hasn't been to the afc championship game... that's the stat that's matters.
 
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