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Who does Nuk remind you of?

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TexansRule1

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Is Nuk one of a kind? His ball skills remind of Randy Moss or Lynn Swann, but without the same high end speed. Maybe, an AJ Green.

Thoughts?
 
TexansRule1 said:
Is Nuk one of a kind? His ball skills remind of Randy Moss or Lynn Swann, but without the same high end speed. Maybe, an AJ Green.

Thoughts?
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I don't remember Lynn Swann being all that fast... He was just a leaper with great body control, so that's not a horrible comparison.

It's not just the little-known players, either.

Lynn Swann and John Stallworth became Steelers because of the diligence of scouts to get decent 40 times in 1974. Neither was considered fast for a wide receiver, but today their 4.6 times might put them in the middle of the draft or maybe not at all.

Coach Chuck Noll liked everything about Swann except the 4.7 times.

"Coach Noll was right," said Art Rooney Jr., then the Steelers' player personnel director. "He said the guy can't run. He really liked him and he said, 'Get a good time.' "

So Rooney arranged to time Swann on the West Coast. Swann ran a 4.55. That was good enough for Noll.

Stallworth, too, did not run particularly fast when timed on the grass field at Alabama A&M. Scout Bill Nunn took his stopwatch and went back down to time him in a different spot.

"I took him to another field near the school," Nunn said. "I got him in 4.58, 4.6, 4.62."

Nunn convinced Noll that Stallworth would last until the fourth round because other scouts had times above 4.7 on him.
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http://old.post-gazette.com/steelers/20010420nfldraft2.asp
 
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Nuk reminds me of Boldin. He just gets it done.

The Texans have never had the QB on the field, in a regular season game, that would make Swann a HoF'er. It takes large huevos to put the ball up in the places Bradshaw did, in the coverages he did.
 
With his body control and ability to high point the ball he reminds me of a less speedy A.J. Green. Not quite as physically imposing as Firzgerald but if goes up he is coming down with it.
 
I remember I was trying to decide between Cordarelle Patterson and DeAndre Hopkins as my 1st round mock draft picks. ICak and I got into it a little bit and he mentioned Reggie Wayne as a bit of a comparison to Hopkins, and that seems clearer than ever to me now having seen him play.
 
gcates said:
Are you implying that Chad Johnson wasn't good...or just making a distinction between the "good" and "bad" Chad Johnson?

In reference to the OP, I'd say watching him play brings to mind Torry Holt, to be honest.
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im implying the good chad johnson. i.e. when the chad was firing he was very hard to stop. physically they possess similar attributes and there ability to locate and get the ball anyway in their vicinity is very similar
 
I'd say the good Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Reggie Wayne comparisons are probably the best so far.

I can see why the OP brought up Moss' ball skills, especially since from what Hopkins showed last game, but personally Moss' still has the superior skills and thus not a fair comparison. And even though you didn't bring up Moss' other attributes, it's tough to compare the two without bringing up Moss' height and speed.
 
Chuck Norris - because Nuk doesn't catch the football, the football flys to Nuk and rests gently in his hands.
 
DocBar said:
Nuk reminds me of Boldin. He just gets it done.

The Texans have never had the QB on the field, in a regular season game, that would make Swann a HoF'er. It takes large huevos to put the ball up in the places Bradshaw did, in the coverages he did.
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Actauly a lot of those throws were pretty safe as they were along the sideline and high, either swann was going to come down with it or no one was. Seeing the limted time that we've seen between Hopkins and Schaub so far it already looks like he has more trust in Hopkins to make those types of catches. The guy almost never threw the fade to Andre.
 
He doesn't remind me of any of those guys.

He doesn't look as fast as any of them. He's not beating anybody on his routes. & he's not breaking ankles or anything. So far, he looks like a WR2, an average one. Not Reggie Wayne to Marvin Harrison, not Torry Holt to Isaac Bruce., not Julio Jones to Roddy White.
 
thunderkyss said:
He doesn't remind me of any of those guys.

He doesn't look as fast as any of them. He's not beating anybody on his routes. & he's not breaking ankles or anything. So far, he looks like a WR2, an average one. Not Reggie Wayne to Marvin Harrison, not Torry Holt to Isaac Bruce., not Julio Jones to Roddy White.
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:vincepalm: okay debbie downer, because WRs who are on pace for a 1,000 + receiving season in their rookie year are only destined to be average #2 receivers and aren't "beating anyone".

Maybe if he played for Denver you'd have a higher opinion of him...
 
Carr Bombed said:
:vincepalm: okay debbie downer, because WRs who are on pace for a 1,000 + receiving season in their rookie year are only destined to be average #2 receivers and aren't "beating anyone".

Maybe if he played for Denver you'd have a higher opinion of him...
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If we were looking for a small forward, I'd be thrilled. If we're talking about the long haul... we've seen nothing to suggest he's on pace for 1000 yards unless you think we're going to keep throwing jump balls to him all day.

But yes, if he looked like Demarius or Julius Thomas...... I'd have a higher opinion of him... even that Wes guy.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we were looking for a small forward, I'd be thrilled. If we're talking about the long haul... we've seen nothing to suggest he's on pace for 1000 yards unless you think we're going to keep throwing jump balls to him all day.

But yes, if he looked like Demarius or Julius Thomas...... I'd have a higher opinion of him... even that Wes guy.
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So you think all we have done is throw jump balls to him and he isn't beating anybody with his route running? For someone who is so slow (and a 4.5 is not slow) who can't beat defenders with his routes he sure as hell finds a way to get open a lot down the field.
 
I'm in no way saying he is as good, or that he will ever be (we can hope though). To me his game resembles Cris Carter, its based on making catches and precise routes. You don't have to run a sub 4.4 to be special, and he can be special.
 
Carr Bombed said:
So you think all we have done is throw jump balls to him and he isn't beating anybody with his route running? For someone who is so slow (and a 4.5 is not slow) who can't beat defenders with his routes he sure as hell finds a way to get open a lot down the field.
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& I must be missing it, 'cause I can't remember. I know he had a crossing route he turned into a 21 yard gainer... but nothing else I can think of as a memorable play.

I thought I saw his 40 as a 4.41, he just doesn't look that fast. When KeShawn shook that defender & sprinted up field..... that looked fast (4.34).

He's having a great year, don't get me wrong. I'm just not seeing the fundamentals that you see in Megatron, Andre, Fitz..... all the good ones. He doesn't remind me of any of them.
 
thunderkyss said:
He doesn't remind me of any of those guys.

He doesn't look as fast as any of them. He's not beating anybody on his routes. & he's not breaking ankles or anything. So far, he looks like a WR2, an average one. Not Reggie Wayne to Marvin Harrison, not Torry Holt to Isaac Bruce., not Julio Jones to Roddy White.
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Wow, seriously? an average WR2? I'm not an extreme homer, but the guy has "it" for sure. Some of the best hands I've ever seen on a football field combined with superior body control. No he isn't the fastest, but give me an average speed guy with Hopkins ball skills and body control over an inconsistent burner any day. And do keep in mind that as he matures, his route running will very likely improve providing more separation.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we were looking for a small forward, I'd be thrilled. If we're talking about the long haul... we've seen nothing to suggest he's on pace for 1000 yards unless you think we're going to keep throwing jump balls to him all day.

But yes, if he looked like Demarius or Julius Thomas...... I'd have a higher opinion of him... even that Wes guy.
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You need to read the Hopkins half of this.

It's important that the young receiver is also able to understand situations and read coverages. This is something he excels at, and his crisp route-running means that defenders never have it easy against the young receiver. Hopkins runs the full route tree and he has caught 12 of 14 catchable targets. The two catchable targets he didn't catch were both very tough balls in the end zone.
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Porky said:
Wow, seriously? an average WR2? I'm not an extreme homer, but the guy has "it" for sure. Some of the best hands I've ever seen on a football field combined with superior body control. No he isn't the fastest, but give me an average speed guy with Hopkins ball skills and body control over an inconsistent burner any day. And do keep in mind that as he matures, his route running will very likely improve providing more separation.
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Hopkins doesn't have the long speed to be in the elite category of guys who can literally take the top off of a defense, but he has size, will be an excellent blocker and obviously has great hands. His route running will get better as he learns how to get off the line cleaner. Everything else is just good ol' bizkit's-n-mustard hand-wringing.
 
thunderkyss said:
He doesn't remind me of any of those guys.

He doesn't look as fast as any of them. He's not beating anybody on his routes. & he's not breaking ankles or anything. So far, he looks like a WR2, an average one. Not Reggie Wayne to Marvin Harrison, not Torry Holt to Isaac Bruce., not Julio Jones to Roddy White.
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Do you remember Demarius Thomas first year? 22 catches for 283 yards and 2 TDs. Second year? 32 catches, 551 yds, 4 TDs. Dez Bryant? 45 receptions, 561 yds, 6 TDs.

A rookie WR is not supposed to get open every time or outrun NFL competition. The question is: can he get the job done when the ball is passed to him.

Perhaps Nuk won`t be a WR that just outruns his competition - perhaps he will just be one with great route running and catching ability. And that`s ok - as a matter of fact that`s just what we need: a WR that can get us first downs when Andre is covered and that can catch the ball in the endzone. So far he is the best looking rookie WR!
 
Hands, body control, route tree, and "glide" recall Larry Fitzgerald for me.

I truthfully don't see many other WRs that "look" like DeAndre -- he a little different.
 
LikeMike said:
A rookie WR is not supposed to get open every time or outrun NFL competition. The question is: can he get the job done when the ball is passed to him.
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I'm not the one comparing him to the better receivers of our time.

Maybe I shouldn't have said he looked like an average #2, he may very well turn into something special, I don't know.

He's got great hands & body control similar to some of the great ones..... but we're not going to design an offense of jump balls. I don't think anyway.

He's going to have to get open quickly on a more consistent basis.
 
Well 12 receptions in just 2 games is pretty good for a rookie - especially in an offense with AJ, Foster and OD.

I am not saying he is the second coming of AJ - I am just saying, so far he looked really promising. One day he might be a legit #1 receiver, but today he already is a legit #2 receiver - and that is more than we all could`ve hoped for when we drafted him with a late first round pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not the one comparing him to the better receivers of our time.

Maybe I shouldn't have said he looked like an average #2, he may very well turn into something special, I don't know.

He's got great hands & body control similar to some of the great ones..... but we're not going to design an offense of jump balls. I don't think anyway.

He's going to have to get open quickly on a more consistent basis.
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For the record, when I brought the name Torry Holt into the discussion, all I said was watching Hopkins play brings Torry to mind. I never said he will have that kind of career...Torry is one of the best to ever play the position. Hopkins just reminds me a bit of Torry in the way that he plucks the ball out of the air. It's only been two games, and that's a pretty small sample size.

I will say that he looks like a very competent NFL caliber receiver and I have no concerns regarding his ability to consistently produce for our offense...which is more than I could say about any other WR we've ever had not named Andre Johnson.
 
He reminds me of a rookie WR that has 12 catches for 183 yards and a TD in his 1st 2 professional games.
 
thunderkyss said:
& I must be missing it, 'cause I can't remember. I know he had a crossing route he turned into a 21 yard gainer... but nothing else I can think of as a memorable play.

I thought I saw his 40 as a 4.41, he just doesn't look that fast. When KeShawn shook that defender & sprinted up field..... that looked fast (4.34).

He's having a great year, don't get me wrong. I'm just not seeing the fundamentals that you see in Megatron, Andre, Fitz..... all the good ones. He doesn't remind me of any of them.
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You keep dogging him, yet you say he isn't anything like Fitzgerald when Fitzgerald has never been a speedster. Fitz has never been good, because he beats out guys down the field with speed. Fitz beats guys with instincts, great route running, and he knows how to beat the jam at the line really well. By your comment here, I wonder if you really know much about Fitz's skill set at all.

Hopkins is very much like Fitz. Probably a poor man's Fitz, but I'll take that all day long. Fitz is a for sure HOFer and one of the best WR's of all time. Hopkins won't have to be near that good to be a great pick.
 
Craig. said:
I'll be damned. I raised two kids on those and pronounced it like 'nook.'

From this day forward I will call number 10 nook.
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We call my little brother Nuk-Nuk, pretty much for the same reason & pronounce it like book-book, with an n

He tells his friends that it means something bada55 in Tengalo. I'm sure Nuk is using that same reasoning.
 
Texecutioner said:
You keep dogging him, yet you say he isn't anything like Fitzgerald when Fitzgerald has never been a speedster. Fitz has never been good, because he beats out guys down the field with speed. Fitz beats guys with instincts, great route running, and he knows how to beat the jam at the line really well. By your comment here, I wonder if you really know much about Fitz's skill set at all.

Hopkins is very much like Fitz. Probably a poor man's Fitz, but I'll take that all day long. Fitz is a for sure HOFer and one of the best WR's of all time. Hopkins won't have to be near that good to be a great pick.
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I know Fitz gets YAC like you wouldn't believe... & that's what makes him special. If he did all those other things without the YAC, he'd be Kevin Walter.

I can see his ability to go after & get jump balls similar to one of Fitz's attributes, but it's only one. Larry Fitzgerald, like you said, will get off the line clean, though he's being played tough at the LOS. He'll get open quickly & he's a play-maker with the ball in his hands.

I'm not dogging Hopkins if I say he doesn't remind me of Fitzgerald. Andre Johnson doesn't remind me of Larry Fitzgerald.
 
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