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Justice puts the nail in Casserly's coffin...

I was just about to create this thread. I just read that column. It's about time for McNair to take control of this mess and I like the comments he made. At least his mistake has been too much hands off instead of too much hands on and I think he's gonna get this franchise going the right direction starting this off-season.

From reading that article, though, I don't get the feeling he's actually gonna fire Casserly.

Wonder how Buchannon feels about the publicity. :goodnight
 
Great article.. I am glad McNair learned the hard lessons now.. im betting that McNairs new attitude will have as much, or more, of an impact on the success of this team in the future, than a new coach.

Id like to see Casserly replaced personally.. but Casserly's track record is pretty much 50/50.. and the big mistakes havent really popped up until recently. I can live with it if Casserly stays.. but if we go another year and it seems like none of the players we got over the offseason have made a difference... then Casserly needs to get the boot.
 
If anything, that article tells me that Casserly will be staying. I can understand McNair not wanting to fire everybody (coaches and GM) and totally start over, especially if there are no qualified GMs available, but I truly believe Casserly is a major part of the problem and I dread going through another draft with him playing a major role.

What type of head coach will want to work for Cass? There's probably two answers. The first is the young coach who is getting his first shot at an NFL head coaching job. The second is a retread who is just glad to have a job. Hopefully McNair won't have to settle for the latter and is able to lure a top candidate here, but if Casserly is still here and on notice, what motivation is there for the new head coach to fall in line when he knows he may outlast the GM ... especially if McNair plays a major role and makes the final decision on the new head coach and the length of his contract?

The quote "You hear, 'Well, you haven't been in the NFL for 20 years, so you couldn't possibly know. That's not the way we do it in the NFL.' is vintage Casserly. I've heard him say that - in his classic snotty way - to callers on his radio show on SportsRadio 610 (back when there were callers to his show). I can't believe he had the audacity to say that to Mr. McNair.....well, on second thought, yes I can.

It's good to see that McNair isn't going to simply accept what the GM tells him any longer - if that's truly what's been happening. It's hard to determine whether some of the problems we are seeing are more a function of the GM or the coaching staff, but the fact is that Casserly has been the one with full accept and veto powers on player personnel up to this point, and in my opinion he is at least as responsible as Capers for this mess - if not more - especially when you factor in the number of draft choices given up for x player or the $$$ and length of contracts given to y player.

As far as Casserly's record being 50-50, check out his draft record and won-loss record when he didn't have Bobby Beathard or Joe Gibbs around him.
 
I agree with AJ. If anything the article says Casserly is staying. To bad because he is part of the problem.
 
It reads like the nail should be in his coffin.

Obviously, McNair did not come into the organization thinking that he was smarter than his football people, but at the same time he did not ask enough question as to why the football people were doing this thing or that thing. I am going to go out on limb and say that all of sudden Casserly will get smarter because of McNair will ask real questions.
 
""We're five or six players away from being a good team," he said. "We're not that far away. We don't need to tear the whole structure down and start over."
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I'll buy your analysis about being five or six players away from being a good
team Mr. McNair, but the conclusion that that means we aren't that far
away from being a good team (maybe playoff team), I'm not necessarily buying. One or two players away is close, but 5 or 6 maybe is not close and requires a couple years, especially if you're talking blue chippers at key positions.
 
OK, so maybe, just maybe we win 6 games next year and make the playoffs the year after that. I can live with that. I think 3 years is probably more like it at this point though.
 
aj. said:
The quote "You hear, 'Well, you haven't been in the NFL for 20 years, so you couldn't possibly know. That's not the way we do it in the NFL." is vintage Casserly. I've heard him say that - in his classic snotty way - to callers on his radio show on SportsRadio 610 (back when there were callers to his show). I can't believe he had the audacity to say that to Mr. McNair.....well, on second thought, yes I can.

That quote was from McNair.

From the chronicle: "Some have misinterpreted his patience as complacency. In truth, no one appears to have learned more hard lessons this season than McNair himself. No one has been changed more.

"I'll be more hands-on in the future," he said. "I've observed for four years. When you're new, I think there's a feeling you have to do everything your football people tell you. You hear, 'Well, you haven't been in the NFL for 20 years, so you couldn't possibly know. That's not the way we do it in the NFL.'"
 
That column exposed Casserly for the incompetent hack that he is. I can't imagine why McNair would not want to fire him, because the Buchanon trade is far from the only evidence we've seen that Casserly is in over his head. I guess McNair is not convinced he can get someone better. But after 4 years of Casserly, it's hard for me to imagine someone doing worse. Oh well.
 
Here is the key statement in the article for me:

We'll all know a lot more about McNair this time next year. He and Casserly appear to have begun work on a blueprint for 2006.
And meaning together, not Casserly you are fired.
 
I suspect that CC will be on a VERY short leash and have a lot of conversation with McNair regarding EVERYTHING until the ship is righted. In business when things aren't going well you you take an active role, not making the decisions, but requiring answers about who, what & why until things right themselves. If the ones who are in charge of the who, what & why can't make the right decisions, you find new ones. I doubt that CC is gone, but he has 1-2 years to turn it or he is toast. With McNair more involved and asking questions, I suspect that we will be having a more CONVENTIONAL draft and free agency posture.
 
TexMexVato said:
That quote was from McNair.

I know that.

McNair's quote begins with "You hear..."

But the rest of the quote is what he's been hearing.

Now, who do you think McNair has been hearing that 'advice' from? Hint: Look about six inches above and to the left of this mark X. Next time I'll be more careful with the leading quotation mark and italics.
 
bckey said:
I agree with AJ. If anything the article says Casserly is staying. To bad because he is part of the problem.

I too take it that Casserly is staying. They are talking about plans for the 2006 season. What a shame!

On PBurn, someone definitely didn't do their homework. How could you be in such a high position and be so lame??????

Bobby 119C:brickwall
 
Texans Pride said:
Here is the key statement in the article for me:

We'll all know a lot more about McNair this time next year. He and Casserly appear to have begun work on a blueprint for 2006.
And meaning together, not Casserly you are fired.
I was all excited until I read that fatal last sentence. If McNair is not the type to fire until season is over then this makes sense for them to start a 2006 blueprint because this is when planning for next season normally starts. It doesn't mean that CC goose isn't cooked though.

Only problem I see is who do we hire if we do fire CC. Sure there are a couple names out there but ae any of them any better than CC.

Stupid question, what about Jimmy Johnson as a GM. As long as we keep our cap strategist (I think his name is Ferens) all he has to do is scout talent and get them here. I know he doesn't want to leave the lovely confines of the FL coastline but if he does want back in then this would be a perfect opportunity.
 
touttail said:
I too take it that Casserly is staying. They are talking about plans for the 2006 season. What a shame!

On PBurn, someone definitely didn't do their homework. How could you be in such a high position and be so lame??????

Bobby 119C:brickwall

That's what keeps bugging me too. I just can't figure that out. They new there were bad rumors and they new they were giving up a lot to get him, so they put a half effort into checking him out and then pulled the trigger just in the nick of time, effectively letting what's-his-face from the Raiders rip them off and shooting themselves in the butt. Nice move guys. If I had those brains, I might get paid millions. :rolleyes:
 
touttail said:
On PBurn, someone definitely didn't do their homework. How could you be in such a high position and be so lame??????
I dunno.....I do more homework when I buy a new TV set, these guys were
really playing fast and loose with the ole mans first day draft picks.
Anyway, McNair says we're 5 or 6 players away from being a "good team".
I'm thinking another tackle to go with Chester and a real TE for the offense,
and (assuming we go 4-3), we'd need a solid pass rushing DE, a MLB and
another decent corner across from D-Rob. But getting quality players at those
5 spots is probably 2 Drafts, unless we'd really score in FA this offseason.
 
Texans Pride said:
Here is the key statement in the article for me:

We'll all know a lot more about McNair this time next year. He and Casserly appear to have begun work on a blueprint for 2006.
And meaning together, not Casserly you are fired.

This makes me wonder just how much of the light Mr. McNair has seen? I can understand his desire to not blow up everything, but can he not see that Cass is part of the problem and not the solution? This also makes me angry at Charley because it appears that his campaign to keep his job by shifting blame to Dom and his staff has succeeded. Casserly better be on the shortest of leashes, meaning if we do not make the playoffs, or at least win 8 or 9 games, next year then he must be sent packing.

Anybody looking forward to the draft now that it looks like Casserly will still be holding the reins? :eek:
 
its a buisness and its suppose to be fun at the same time. I can't believe that Casserly is ever fun or that it makes good buisness sense to hang on to a GM who has had four years of high picks & top of the league spending budget in free agency to net a team thats 1-11.

wake-up and smell the :coffee:
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno.....I do more homework when I buy a new TV set, these guys were
really playing fast and loose with the ole mans first day draft picks.
Anyway, McNair says we're 5 or 6 players away from being a "good team".
I'm thinking another tackle to go with Chester and a real TE for the offense,
and (assuming we go 4-3), we'd need a solid pass rushing DE, a MLB and
another decent corner across from D-Rob. But getting quality players at those
5 spots is probably 2 Drafts, unless we'd really score in FA this offseason.

It would take an unusaully great draft or some players performing better than they shown for it not to be a two or three year process. Honestly, I never though the Texans would be at this point in year four. i was more afraid of the Texans becoming one of those always mediocore teams who sneak into the playoffs, but never with a chance to go to the Superbowl or never sucking enough to get really high draft picks. In some ways this better, but only if the team makes good use of its high draft and FA choices.
 
McNair himself drops the hammer on Casserly in this very public manner but he seems to want to keep him based on the point and laugh writing style of Justice. We can't trust Richard Justice to be anything but the National Enquirer with his loose reporting of "facts" since he is as incompetant as Casserly. He is not much more than a gossip monger.

Richard Justice from the link above said:
I've written that McNair cut corners in hiring a coaching staff, that he didn't allot enough money to hiring the best coaches.

McNair disputes this. He said the Texans have never lost a coach over money. He might have declined to hire a high-ticket coach, but the matter never came up.

"If someone had wanted me to pay an O-line coach more than we're paying a coordinator, I'd have said no," he said. "That was never presented to me. Every organization has a budget. Can you make exceptions? Yes, you can. I don't want our fans to think we've lost good coaches because we wouldn't pay the money. We haven't. We're not cheap. In terms of salaries, I think we're near the top of the NFL."
 
I got two things out of that column.

1. Casserly is staying. (Talk about a misread from the thread author)
2. Buchanon will be released after the season.
 
This is an absolutely Damning article. Four games??? Things like that make me shake my head and wonder why I'm not managing a team somewhere. I guess I always thought it was common sense to review every last bit of game tape you could on a player before you sign him to long deal or trade for him or draft him, etc. Wow. Just wow.

I've not been sold to this point that CAsserly needs to go, simply because Ibelieve he has brought in talent and the coaching staff has not gotten full production from it. In some cases, they haven't even gotten marginal production out of it. I still believe that to be the case. But the one area in which I have been critical of Casserly is the deals he's cooked up. For instance, I am not willing to give up on Babin, and I think he could be a very good player for years to come. But unless he turns out to be the next Kevin Greene, as he was billed, will he turn out to be worth all those picks? I doubt it. To me, that is where Casserly fails. In light of this new information, if he's not really doing his due diligence before making these questionable deals, then he needs to go. This tips the scales for me.

Is there any way I can sport two avatars? I'd like to steal AJ's and put it next to my pink soap.
 
I wonder how much game film the Texans looked at when we signed Greenwood, McKinney, and Todd Wade as our 'big' FA signings over the years....we also signed Stacey Mack, Kevin Mitchell and Charlie Clemmons to start here and when we cut those guys they couldn't make a NFL roster.
 
I believe a group of us from this board could do a superior job building the Texans than Casserly has done :texflag:
 
beerlover said:
I believe a group of us from this board could do a superior job building the Texans than Casserly has done :texflag:

Nope. We'd be a bunch of knee-jerking_asses from Eagle Pass. We'd be too Dan Snyderish. We wouldn't have it in us to take the "football fan" out of the decision making. Very bad for the team in the long run.


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Almost Anybody said:
I got two things out of that column.

1. Casserly is staying. (Talk about a misread from the thread author)
2. Buchanon will be released after the season.

Funny how people can read the same article and come up with a different analysis.

1.) Casserly is gone. ( Condensed version of McNairs quote.) " I'll be more hands on in the future. I'll try to hire good people and allow them to do their jobs".

My interpretation is that Casserly is gone.

From Justices' column earlier in the week " McNair cut corners in hiring a coaching staff"....:confused:

I questioned this in one of the threads earlier this week.
McNair disputed this. I believe Mr McNair.

Quoting Justice from this mornings column. An opinion as far as I can ascertain.

"We'll all know a lot more about McNair this time next year. He and Casserly appear to have begun work on a blueprint for 2006".

I saw no mention from Mr McNair that he and Casserly were working on a blueprint.

To quote Vinny. "McNair himself drops the hammer on Casserly in this very public manner but he seems to want to keep him based on point and laugh writing style of Justice. We can't trust Richard Justice to be anything but the National Enquirer with his loose reporting of "facts" since he is as incompetant as Casserly. He is not much more than a gossip monger."

Much like message board participants, (me especially :) ) I believe that Justice injects a lot of personal opinion in his columns and just a little fact.

Given time to learn how the NFL operates, I believe that Mr McNair will turn the Texans into a great team/franchise. We just aren't there yet.


Doesn't mean that I am right either. jmho

cac: :coffee:
 
This is the most startling quote, "We're not cheap. In terms of salaries, I think we're near the top of the NFL." Where are the players and coaches to show for it? Someone has to be held accountable for assembling NFL scrubs and overpaid mediocre talent and it should be Casserly.
 
I'm....flabbergasted... :mag:

article said:
For instance, McNair wasn't told Buchanon didn't like tackling people.

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Nor was it mentioned to McNair that Buchanon had problems covering wide receivers, which can lead to real problems for a cornerback.

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Turns out, the Texans watched only four of Buchanon's 2004 games. McNair was flabbergasted.

And so was our owner!!

Man, if I was Mr. McNair, I'd clean house! My opinion of Cassery just went south. FOUR FREAKIN' GAMES?!?!! WTF is that about?! Letting Al Davis, of all people, push you around?! Why not let Bud Adams get into the feeding frenzy?! Talk about owners not to listen to or let dictate your decisions!

How accurate is that? I mean, Justice isn't making that up, right? I'm assuming that the "Texans watched only four of Buchanon's 2004 games" line is from information provided by Mr. McNair, correct?

Man, I'm seriously shocked that such a "respected" GM in the NFL did so little research on a player. This is just pathetic. :brickwall
 
Double Barrel said:
How accurate is that? I mean, Justice isn't making that up, right? I'm assuming that the "Texans watched only four of Buchanon's 2004 games" line is from information provided by Mr. McNair, correct?

Until I read or hear or hear further, I'm going to question that accuracy big-time. Maybe you can't imagine Casserly or Buchanon reading that latest piece of Justice drivel, but I can. And I imagine McNair is going learn what the word "misquote" is today, if he hasn't already.

My daddy always told me not to believe everything I read in the paper. I think I'll take his advice today.:hmmm:
 
jerek said:
I think that's what the Lats always said. Means, "buyer beware."

While I do not doubt Casserly's overall incompetence, and blame him for a lot of what ails us, I would be hesitant to buy this article as the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Reporters frequently take a quote, a series of quotes, or a snippet of information and extrapolate the whole thing seven times over to make their own story out of it. This "four games" crap could be the absolute truth or it could just be off-the-cuff hearsay overheard from the mouth of some intern in a bar.

Neither do I doubt McNair's commitment or ability to get the job done from the owner's box, but as I said, I wouldn't necessarily embrace this as a representation of all of the facts.

Good job in beating me to the punch with me thinking the same thing.:highfive:
 
Almost Anybody said:
I got two things out of that column.

1. Casserly is staying. (Talk about a misread from the thread author)
2. Buchanon will be released after the season.

Ditto.


Dear Mr. McNair,

Please find it in your heart to dig deep and REALLY think hard about keeping Cass. You have had 4 years to evaluate him, he didn't cut the mustard. It is time to cut the loss, lose the deadwood and unfortunately REBUILD the team from the top on down. This can not be done with Casserly involved, please note the current season as enough of an argument to justify my case. I do believe that you are an excellent owner and are truly wanting to be involved in the most positive way in creating a winning franchise that will be envied league-wide. But Casserly can not be a part of this.

Thank you,

One season ticket holder
 
I sure hope this finally puts to rest this whole idea that Casserly is a draft genius. I cannot believe that any great GM would be so totally out of touch with what is going on with their team. First, we find that Casserly is not the master of the brillant pick for Babin. Somehow, Capers fooled him into making this move. Next, they tricked him into making the deal for PBuc. My question is do we need to find a Coach/GM since Casserly seems to avoid the draft like his prize cornerback avoids tackling. Finally, Casserly was shocked to find out that Capers almost canned Palmer during the off season. What exactly does Charlie do around the office? I know he is happy to tell the media about great he is, but what else he is actually responsible for?
 
just for giggles I looked up P-buch draft report.
Phillip Buchanon
Position: Cornerback
College: Miami (Fla.)
Height: 5-10
Weight: 186
Hometown: Fort Myers, Fla.

Career Notes | Agility | High School | Personal | Stats



ANALYSIS
Positives: Compactly built athlete who stays tight with receivers on deep routes … Has good play development recognition skills … Keeps a tight relationship with the receiver in the open and despite his size, is very effective jamming the opponent at the line of scrimmage … Can cover ground instantly with his closing burst … Plays good angles and shows top-end speed … Takes proper angles towards the ball and is willing to step up and fill the rush lanes … Makes proper body adjustments turning and flexing for the ball … Has the hip snap and body control to position himself low before delivering the hit … Has an instant burst after fielding punts, showing excellent sideline awareness and patience waiting for his blocks to develop.

Negatives: Can stay with the receiver deep, but struggles to much to get his head turned to track the ball … Needs to totally refine his backpedal, as he comes out too high with a choppy motion, causing him to lose quickness out of his breaks … Hesitant to throw his body around when asked to step up and fill the rush lanes … Plays too conservative and stays too deep in the zone, which makes him late in handling the switch-off … Has very short arms and small hands for this position.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/buchanon_phillip.htm
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm....flabbergasted... :mag:

And so was our owner!!

Man, if I was Mr. McNair, I'd clean house! My opinion of Cassery just went south. FOUR FREAKIN' GAMES?!?!! WTF is that about?! Letting Al Davis of all people, push you around?! Why not let Bud Adams get into the feeding frenzy?!



Titans rebuilt their team (well, almost :) ) at Casserly/Texans expense. :rolleyes:

Apr. 24, 2004: Traded second round pick (40th overall), third-round pick (71st overall), fourth-round pick (103rd overall) to Tennessee in exchange for first-round pick (27th overall); also exchanged fifth-round picks (138th to 159th overall).

I'm sure one of our more informed posters can remember who the Titans drafted with those picks ( surely no one we could have used) and who we drafted with the extra first we acquired. Probably an all-pro by now..:)
 
...remember who the Titans drafted with those picks?

In the end, this is how it all worked out:

Texans Get
1st round, No. 27: Jason Babin, LB
6th round, No. 175: Jammal Lord, FS
7th round, No. 210: Raheem Orr, LB

Titans Get:
2nd round, No. 40: Ben Troupe, TE
3rd round, No. 71: Randy Starks, DT
4th round, No. 103: Bo Schobel, DE
5th round, No. 138 Jacob Bell, G

What may not be obvious is that the 5th rounder that the Texans got in the exchange w/TN (#159) was later traded to Jax for #175 and #210 (Lord and Orr). That worked out well, didn't it?

Starks by himself makes that trade a failure. But I'm sure he wouldn't have fit our system.
 
I know a number of you are happy that McNair came out so publically, but I have to say I found this article worrisome.

Personally, I don't think it is helpful for the owner to come out and publically dump one of his players under contract in the grease and the managing staff in the grease. If you really don't like the work they have done, or have questions about the manner in which they are evaluating talent, then you do more action versus talk. Don't talk about the problems and point fingers. Either they are your guys or they are not. Don't just talk about it if you aren't happy, fire them.

All that talking publically does is feel emotionally good but 1. doesn't help actual winning and doing stuff; 2. limits your options.

It does very little good to publically take the legs out from under your staff if there is any chance those people are gonna stay. Once the finger pointing thing starts, then it is hard to focus on going forward, but people have to spend their energy on public blather. And even if you eventually fire those people, it means that the new staff knows that you are gonna be a meddling second guessing owner.

He could have made a lot of the same points (i.e. not being a cheapo owner), without specifically dumping people in the grease. It is not as satisfying to do that, but I am not sure that if you are trying to emulate the great teams in league, you are well served by finger pointing and telling the rest of the league that your GM is a rube.

And, as an aside, it is easy to overlearn lessons/mistakes. Does being more hands on owner mean you don't pull the trigger on trades fast enough, even if they are good ones?

You either trust your staff or you don't. Owners should try to keep focused on marketing and customer service and leave the football stuff to guys they trust. If you don't trust them in their football decisions, get people you do trust.

(As an aside, I trust Justice columns not at all. So I am skeptical about it).

JMO.:texflag:
 
Once again I have no idea how he worms his way into McNairs pocket. He reminds me of that freaky guy in one of the Lord of the Rings moviies where he's all whispering in the Kings ear telling him what to do. He's not done a great job with all that he's had and I've seen way to many excuses to cover his tracks from the get go to see anything different. With one draft he set us back 2 years. I now have more respect for Capers in at least trying guide this mess and take responsibility than a worm who can't .
 
Well, I guess someone has to step up & defend Casserly & I'm here to volunteer for the job.

First off, in my opinion, the GM has to work with the coach in regards to what players he needs to make his particular offensive/defensive system work. Any GM that chooses players without the coaches opinions weighing in heavily on the pick, is an *****.

Okay, it appears that Casserly made a huge mistake in trading for P-Buc. Not for being proactive & trying to fill a definite need with a young veteran player, but for being overly aggressive & not doing his homework on this trade. In other words, he trusted his scouting department's evaluation & didn't ask the right questions. McNair admits that he made the same mistake, & he owns the business (team).

Show me one GM in the entire history of the NFL, or any sport for that matter, that hasn't made a major blunder during his career, & I'll show you God himself. No GM can look at every snippet of film for every player & go over every bit of information by himself (he should try, though). He has to be able to depend on the people that work for him to make the correct evaluations. Ultimately though, because he's the boss over the scouting department, he gets all the credit & all the blame.

Al Davis has made his reputation by taking on misfits that no other team in the NFL would touch with a 10 foot pole. Does anyone know how many of those moves failed to work out? There's no doubt that P-Buc has the intangibles (speed/athleticism) to be a great CB someday. It's possible that he only needs the right coach to bring it out in him. Look what Bum was able to do with a bunch of players that wouldn't have made it on another team.

The only other real mistake that I believe Casserly made was taking Hollings with a 2nd round pick, with just 4 games of experience. Mind you, those 4 games were spectacular & if he had developed, Casserly would've looked like a genious for taking him with what looked like a late 2nd round pick at the time. Who could've foreseen Oakland's collapse?

I truely believe that the Babin pick was pushed by Capers. Since I'm just like everyone else on this board, in that I have no clue what went on in the war room, I'm going to assume that Capers told Casserly to do whatever it took to get Babin. And, Casserly did just that. It's not cheap trading back into the 1st round. Now, while Babin hasn't taken the league by storm, he has shown that he's got the talent to be a very good OLB someday. In my opinion, he needs to increase his upper body strength & develop some strong moves to the QB. That's where the coaches come in. The kid has the quickness to get around almost any RT, but he keeps getting tied up by them & the TE's.

Okay, let's take a look at the drafts that Casserly has had. In 4 drafts, CC has drafted 39 players (this includes Hollings & Milford Brown as supplemental picks). Of those 39 players, 29 of them are still in the NFL as a player in some capacity. That's 74% of the players he's drafted. 26 of them are on the Texan's roster & 20 of those players have either been starters, or contributors in the playing rotation at some point in their careers. That's 51% of the players that have contributed in some way. Of the remaining 3 players (Henson, Baxter, & S.Thomas), Baxter has started for the Texans & Arizona, while Henson & Thomas are just reserves.

Let's take a look at where the GM & scouting departments really make their marks, the 5th-7th rounds. Casserly has drafted 19 players in these rounds & 11 of them (Baxter, R.Walker, Faggins, Henson, Pearce, J.Lord, C.Anderson, S.Thomas, Hodgdon, C.C.Brown, & Pettway) are still in the NFL. That's 58%. 7 of those players (Baxter, R.Walker, Faggins, Pearce, C.Anderson, Hodgdon, & C.C. Brown) are, or have been, starters at some point.

It's not like Casserly isn't a good GM, he's just made some moves that many of us just disagree with. The one move that sticks out most in my mind is drafting B.J.Symons in the 7th round of the 2004 draft, when we had Carr, Banks, & Ragone on the roster. We didn't need another passing QB to groom, when we had a line that couldn't pass block to save their lives (err..., Carr's life). We needed OL or DL help in the worst way. One player that I'd been touting was Jordan Carstens (6'5" 300lbs. DT). He had all the intangibles (size, strength, quickness) & did well at the combine. He would've been a much better pick than Symons. Unfortunately, he went undrafted & was signed as an undrafted rookie by Carolina. He's now, their starting RDT & has 25 tackles/3 sacks for the year. By the way, Carolina at 9-3, is tied for the 3rd best record in the NFL this year.

Anyway, even with the mistakes he has made, I believe that Casserly is a good GM & should be retained for at least one more year. But, that's just my opinion.
 
Ok so his good picks outweigh the bad ones and the talent that was or was not given up. Ok I am with you, but mainly because I doubt Casserly is gone. Just a tad bit of info though Scouting departments earn their money in every round. Mainly 2-3 and 5-7.
 
Coach C. said:
Ok so his good picks outweigh the bad ones and the talent that was or was not given up. Ok I am with you, but mainly because I doubt Casserly is gone. Just a tad bit of info though Scouting departments earn their money in every round. Mainly 2-3 and 5-7.

Justice apparently thinks Casserly is staying. From the article:

No matter what McNair does with coach Dom Capers (he goes) or general manager Charley Casserly (he stays), the first four years have served as a learning experience for the owner, too.
 
aj. said:
If anything, that article tells me that Casserly will be staying. I can understand McNair not wanting to fire everybody (coaches and GM) and totally start over, especially if there are no qualified GMs available, but I truly believe Casserly is a major part of the problem and I dread going through another draft with him playing a major role.

To date I've been in the fire Capers and let Casserly have another shot camp but I have to admit that an article like this makes me think again on that subject. I agree with you about the hesitation McNair apparently feels in cleaning house completely and I understand it too. I can't help but think that this time next year or the year after we might be seeing Casserly leaving and reading an article about how Bob McNair now knows that he should have been more thorough cleaning house back in 2006.


aj said:
What type of head coach will want to work for Cass? There's probably two answers. The first is the young coach who is getting his first shot at an NFL head coaching job. The second is a retread who is just glad to have a job. Hopefully McNair won't have to settle for the latter and is able to lure a top candidate here, but if Casserly is still here and on notice, what motivation is there for the new head coach to fall in line when he knows he may outlast the GM ... especially if McNair plays a major role and makes the final decision on the new head coach and the length of his contract?

That's another thing. I want Jimmy Johnson and his name comes up all the time. Now regardless of whether or not that's even a possibility or he's even interested in talking about coming back to the NFL I have real concerns that the kind of coach that JJ represents will have no interest in trying to coexist with Charlie Casserly. I think Bill Parcells might be able to coexist with someone like Jerry Jones because Jerry Jones is the owner of hte team but I don't doubt for a second that he wouldn't be interested in putting up with Casserly. That kind of dominant and previously successful coach is going to be out of the question with Casserly here.

aj said:
The quote "You hear, 'Well, you haven't been in the NFL for 20 years, so you couldn't possibly know. That's not the way we do it in the NFL.' is vintage Casserly. I've heard him say that - in his classic snotty way - to callers on his radio show on SportsRadio 610 (back when there were callers to his show). I can't believe he had the audacity to say that to Mr. McNair.....well, on second thought, yes I can.[/b]

Yeah I can see him saying that to McNair and in these first few years I can see McNair accepting that answer. Bob McNair was well aware of his lack of knowledge and he let the football people do the football things. He's not stupid though and Casserly is going to find out that as soon as McNair works some of these things out he's going to hold Casserly accountable. McNair expects results and Casserly hasn't given him any. It's just a matter of time now which is a shame because it's going to set us back another year or two.

aj said:
It's good to see that McNair isn't going to simply accept what the GM tells him any longer - if that's truly what's been happening. It's hard to determine whether some of the problems we are seeing are more a function of the GM or the coaching staff, but the fact is that Casserly has been the one with full accept and veto powers on player personnel up to this point, and in my opinion he is at least as responsible as Capers for this mess - if not more - especially when you factor in the number of draft choices given up for x player or the $$$ and length of contracts given to y player.

As far as Casserly's record being 50-50, check out his draft record and won-loss record when he didn't have Bobby Beathard or Joe Gibbs around him.

This one article has done more to swing me around to an anti-Casserly stance than anything I've read up until now.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Double Barrel said:
Titans rebuilt their team (well, almost :) ) at Casserly/Texans expense. :rolleyes:

FYI the Titans are far from done rebuilding. In their current state, they will be something like $22 million over the cap next year so they will need to do some major restructuring of deals or else cut a bunch of people for the second summer in a row, plus Steve McNair is due a $27 million roster bonus later this offseason so he will also have to restructure or be cut.
 
Good article. After reading about Buchanon not wanting to tackle, I don't think Buchanon is in the right business. This was definitely a bad deal. Nice scouting job, Casserly.

Do the damn thing next season, McNair. Alot of us on here are looking for this team to win alot, make the playoffs, and win some championships just as much as you do.

GO TEXANS!!!!
 
aj. said:
I know that.

McNair's quote begins with "You hear..."

But the rest of the quote is what he's been hearing.

Now, who do you think McNair has been hearing that 'advice' from? Hint: Look about six inches above and to the left of this mark X. Next time I'll be more careful with the leading quotation mark and italics.

Yeah, you're probably right....it's a shame that McNair had to learn the intracacies of the NFL the hard way. However, I suspect and hope that his new more "hands on" approach will help get this organization turned around.:texflag:
 
HoustonFan said:
Good article. After reading about Buchanon not wanting to tackle, I don't think Buchanon is in the right business. This was definitely a bad deal. Nice scouting job, Casserly.

Doesn't this just jump out at you. How in the world do you get to be anybodys first round draft choice when you don't like to tackle and shun contact? How do you get to play at the U in Miami if you don't like to tackle?

I'm mystified by this. The only thing stranger than the U signing him and Oakland drafting him is the Texans trading for him.

Well maybe that and Charlie Casserly still being talked about as if he wasn't going to get fired for doing it. That's a mystery right there.
 
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