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Von Miller Facing 4 Game Suspension

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m
Broncos LB Von Miller is facing 4-game suspension for violating NFL policy, per ESPN sources. Case currently in appeals process.
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I am seeing people say it was not for PEDs but for smoking bud, hmm that's legal in Denver now. Interesting if it is just for bud.

Trying to find a source where these keyboard warriors are getting their information though.
 
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis
According to NFL policy, first offense on recreational drug use is to put a player in program. Second offense is 4-game suspension.

According to NFL source, #Broncos LB Von Miller tested positive for amphetamines and marijuana during his rookie season of 2011.
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The1ApplePie said:
So he smoked pot in a state where its legal?
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The positive test apparently happened in 2011, but even then there are many legal substances that are banned by the NFL.

Still, if it's not for PED use, then in my eyes it doesn't change how good of a football player Von Miller is (Which is to say, he's very very good, high or not).
 
From Von

Von Miller ‏@MillerLite40 5m
Seeing reports abt 4 game susp. I know I did nothing wrong. I'm sure this'll be resolved fairly. Disapp. Broncos have 2 open camp like this.
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Playoffs said:
I'm wondering if we'll see a backdated prescription for speed, errrr, an ADHD drug.
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I know this is at least partially tongue in cheek, but it wouldn't matter. Even with a valid prescription, Adderall is a violation of NFL policy unless the player receives a "Therapeutic use exemption" from the league ahead of time.

This also indirectly addresses some of the comments that question a suspension for the use of a substance legal in the state of Colorado. As was mentioned before, there's a number of completely legal substances that are banned the NFL. Adderall - even when validly prescribed - is one example.
 
It gets worse.:kubepalm::wadepalm:

From Rotoworld:
Broncos SLB Von Miller tweeted Monday that he "knows" he did "nothing wrong" in regard to his four-game suspension for violating the NFL's drug policy.
"I'm sure this'll be resolved fairly," he added. "Disappointed Broncos have to open camp like this." It's now believed Miller failed a recent test for the drug "Molly," which is essentially ecstasy, after getting popped for marijuana and amphetamines as a rookie, although there is still little clarity as to the specific reasons for his four-game suspension. The ban remains under appeal.
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The exact reason is that it take THREE infractions to the recreational drug category (not two as in the case of PEDs) for the suspension to be in play. Von Miller tested positive prior to entering the league (prior to contract signature)..........then again tested positive during his rookie year..........now this is his "3 strikes you're out."
 
The1ApplePie said:
So he smoked pot in a state where its legal?
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None of that really matters. The NFL has pot on a banned substance list and they have every right to outlaw pot for their athletes as any other company does that drug tests you. It being legal or decriminalized in the state doesn't mean that every company has to allow it all of a sudden.
 
Interesting. He had some issues his first year or two at A&M. As far as I know, Sherman never let it get out as far as what he did, but he was a bit of a trouble maker. Story was he turned everything around, became much more focused on academics and football, and the rest is history. Wasn't until his junior year that he actually turned into the Von Miller we know now. Hope he isn't slipping back into old ways because outside of JJ Watt, he's probably the best defensive player in the league.
 
Texecutioner said:
None of that really matters. The NFL has pot on a banned substance list and they have every right to outlaw pot for their athletes as any other company does that drug tests you. It being legal or decriminalized in the state doesn't mean that every company has to allow it all of a sudden.
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Spot on and I think we pretty much all agree. Wanna play? Gotta pay.

BYW, good to see ya back Tex. Season must be close, huh?
 
If he can keep "fighting" this & start serving his suspension in week 3, the Broncos will be allright.

He'll play against the Ravens & Giants, then be suspended for Raiders, Eagles, Cowboys, & Jags... then get back to play against the Colts, Skins, & then their bye.
 
b0ng said:
The positive test apparently happened in 2011, but even then there are many legal substances that are banned by the NFL.

Still, if it's not for PED use, then in my eyes it doesn't change how good of a football player Von Miller is (Which is to say, he's very very good, high or not).
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I guess if your name is b0ng, thinking amphetamines are not performance enhancing is perfectly normal.

Oh, and weed is not munchies enhancing. :lol:
 
thunderkyss said:
If he can keep "fighting" this & start serving his suspension in week 3, the Broncos will be allright.

He'll play against the Ravens & Giants, then be suspended for Raiders, Eagles, Cowboys, & Jags... then get back to play against the Colts, Skins, & then their bye.
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It looks like the NFL wants to get this wrapped up before the regular season starts. Per Adam Schefter's twitter account:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m

NFL targeting mid-August as appeal date for Von Miller's 4-game suspension. Resolution expected before regular season.
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The Aggies loving their weed. D.Moore/Miller, maybe it's an A&M OLB thingy. Not that there's anything wrong with college kids smoking a little weed.

Throw in a little JM party time and maybe A&M is trying to become the new Texas St. LOL
 
Call me old and whatnot, but I'm clueless as to what a "Molly" is.

All these new drugs, wth. Eatin peoples faces and crap. What happened to just having a few beers and an occasional toke on some herb?
 
The term "molly" has been around for decades. IIRC, it's basically pure MDMA, one of the ingredients in ecstasy. I think some folks are now calling ecstasy "molly" now.

Back in the '80's it was legal, and I think it was being made by pharmaceutical companies for use by psychotherapists to get patients to loosen up. (Looked it up and Merck had a patent on it in 1914).

But now that this stuff is made in underground labs, I think it's taking your life into your hands and can be very dangerous (much more so than in the '80's when it was regulated).
 
Double Barrel said:
The term "molly" has been around for decades. IIRC, it's basically pure MDMA, one of the ingredients in ecstasy. I think some folks are now calling ecstasy "molly" now.

Back in the '80's it was legal, and I think it was being made by pharmaceutical companies for use by psychotherapists to get patients to loosen up. (Looked it up and Merck had a patent on it in 1914).

But now that this stuff is made in underground labs, I think it's taking your life into your hands and can be very dangerous (much more so than in the '80's when it was regulated).
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I have worked with this lab in the past and have found analyzed "street" drugs EXTREMELY scarey. It's like opening a box of Cracker Jacks.........you never know what the surprise will be...........anything from nothing to a whole drug factory..........

http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?start=0&search_field=all&s=mdma

[You can also put "MOLLY" in the search box]
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have worked with this lab in the past and have found analyzed "street" drugs EXTREMELY scarey. It's like opening a box of Cracker Jacks.........you never know what the surprise will be...........anything from nothing to a whole drug factory..........

http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?start=0&search_field=all&s=mdma

[You can also put "MOLLY" in the search box]
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yeah, I've seen the other end of it and it's nuts. Being in a metal band for years, I was exposed to and around a lot of folks inclined to take various substances.

And some of the things people did (and do) to get high astounds me. One dude worked for a moving company, and he and his moving buddies would steal duplicate prescriptions from old people's medicine cabinets. Many of these folks had passed on and they were hired to move stuff out of the house, so they looked at these 'free' drugs as a bonus. It blew me away the stuff I would see people take in combination with each other, completely oblivious and ignorant to the potential side-effects and/or lethality of drug combinations. More than once I would hear, after the fact, of someone getting rushed to the ER. I never stayed at those parties long enough to see it.

But I've seen people snort, ingest, and smoke (I ran if anyone was injecting) things that were mysterious in nature. They thought it was "xxx", but the effects were "yyy", so they were often not quite sure. Blew my mind how stupid people would be to escape reality. I remember playing a party and the hostess came out with a bowl of white powder. She offered, and I declined as I never liked coke. She giggled and said it's not coke, it's a bunch of ground up substances. "Mystery Mountain" she called it. People put it in their drinks, rolled it with pot to smoke, and some even snorted it. I never could comprehend the mentality of putting something unknown into your system for a supposed temporary good time. I always figured to each his own and all that jazz, but I always tried to avoid those situations because people would inevitably start acting erratically and unpredictable. Dangerous to be around, IMO.

Now I occasionally see someone from back then, 15-20 years ago, and they look like they have aged well beyond their years.

I just hope and pray that I'm a good enough parent to teach my kids to stay far away from all of it and have them actually avoid it.

Sorry for the long post. CnD's mention brought back some experiences.
 
The1ApplePie said:
So he smoked pot in a state where its legal?
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This has already been addressed but I want to expand on it a little bit.

There's a long, long list of things that are banned and a whole lot of them are legal, over-the-counter drugs. I'm not sure how the AAU list compares to the NFL list (and I don't feel like checking it out) but you can get bounced out of the AAU for using OTC cough-syrup or sinus medication.

Whether something is legal or not is a totally separate issue.
 
Double Barrel said:
yeah, I've seen the other end of it and it's nuts. Being in a metal band for years, I was exposed to and around a lot of folks inclined to take various substances.

And some of the things people did (and do) to get high astounds me. One dude worked for a moving company, and he and his moving buddies would steal duplicate prescriptions from old people's medicine cabinets. Many of these folks had passed on and they were hired to move stuff out of the house, so they looked at these 'free' drugs as a bonus. It blew me away the stuff I would see people take in combination with each other, completely oblivious and ignorant to the potential side-effects and/or lethality of drug combinations. More than once I would hear, after the fact, of someone getting rushed to the ER. I never stayed at those parties long enough to see it.

But I've seen people snort, ingest, and smoke (I ran if anyone was injecting) things that were mysterious in nature. They thought it was "xxx", but the effects were "yyy", so they were often not quite sure. Blew my mind how stupid people would be to escape reality. I remember playing a party and the hostess came out with a bowl of white powder. She offered, and I declined as I never liked coke. She giggled and said it's not coke, it's a bunch of ground up substances. "Mystery Mountain" she called it. People put it in their drinks, rolled it with pot to smoke, and some even snorted it. I never could comprehend the mentality of putting something unknown into your system for a supposed temporary good time. I always figured to each his own and all that jazz, but I always tried to avoid those situations because people would inevitably start acting erratically and unpredictable. Dangerous to be around, IMO.

Now I occasionally see someone from back then, 15-20 years ago, and they look like they have aged well beyond their years.

I just hope and pray that I'm a good enough parent to teach my kids to stay far away from all of it and have them actually avoid it.

Sorry for the long post. CnD's mention brought back some experiences.
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YOUR post brings back memories for ME. I was in a band environment for longer than I would like to remember.........everyone around me were into everything.........but I never touched any of it, not wanting to jeopardize any chances of getting into med school. While I was attending Washington University in St. Louis, some friends and I started the nation's first drug crisis hotline..........Acid Rescue. Shortly thereafter, a TV movie was produced about our organization........."Dial Hotline" starring Vince Edwards (of Dr. Kildare fame). It has now grown into a huge organization called DART, which is an acronym for Drug and Alcohol Rehabilitation and Treatment. I'm sure we could spend hours exchanging stories. :)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
YOUR post brings back memories for ME. I was in a band environment for longer than I would like to remember.........everyone around me were into everything.........but I never touched any of it, not wanting to jeopardize any chances of getting into med school. While I was attending Washington University in St. Louis, some friends and I started the nation's first drug crisis hotline..........Acid Rescue. Shortly thereafter, a TV movie was produced about our organization........."Dial Hotline" starring Vince Edwards (of Dr. Kildare fame). It has now grown into a huge organization called DART, which is an acronym for Drug and Alcohol Rehabilitation and Treatment. I'm sure we could spend hours exchanging stories. :)
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wow!...that's cool, man! I would love to chat and share stories someday. I have little doubt that some of my former acquaintances could have called your hotline or one just like it.

Helping people come down from bad acid trips is something I have done many times, to the point that I used to get calls at home to request help. I stopped one of my oldest friends from going off the edge of reality one night. He was convinced that his name was "Doug" and that his penis had been removed. Another friend and I sat with him for about 5-6 hours straight to keep him from hurting himself. To this day, he remembers very little about that night. I still honestly believe that he could have ended up in a mental institution from that night if we had not intervened. CRAZY! Fortunately, he's a fine, upstanding citizen (and dad) today and far removed from doing any of that stupid stuff to his brain cells.
 
new report, Miller did not fail a drug test.

“He didn’t test positive for anything,” an unnamed person with knowledge of the situation told USA Today.

We’ll likely never know all the details of Miller’s case, just like we never know all the details of most NFL suspensions for violations of the substance-abuse policy, because the league’s confidentiality rules keep that information quiet. The very fact that we’re talking about this before Miller’s appeal has been heard shows that someone violated the confidentiality rules by leaking the news that he’s facing a suspension, but when these leaks come out, they usually don’t tell the full story.

But if it’s true that Miller didn’t fail a drug test, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll win his appeal. It’s possible to violate the policy without testing positive by, for instance, refusing to take a test or submitting a diluted urine sample.

So while the news that Miller did not test positive might seem to back up his claim that he did nothing wrong, it still remains to be seen whether Miller can win his appeal and be on the field in Week One.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
But if it’s true that Miller didn’t fail a drug test, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll win his appeal. It’s possible to violate the policy without testing positive by, for instance, refusing to take a test or submitting a diluted urine sample.
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I didn't fail a drug test... I refused to take it.

I didn't fail a drug test... and neither did the guy whose urine I submitted in place of my own.

Work it, Von. :cheese:
 
There is now a report floating around that the suspension is based on him missing a test. That the test was missed because he was in Afghanistan. So I looked it up and found that 4 months ago he and Champ Bailey indeed did travel there for a USO tour to meet with the troops...........and tweeted:

Von Miller 4 months ago

Pic frm a Blackhawk! Everything green is either poppy plant or marijuana, that's what the Taliban sell for funds
http://t.co/2Jo1vyOdhd http://twitter.com/MillerLite40/status/314280787849658368/photo/1
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CloakNNNdagger said:
There is now a report floating around that the suspension is based on him missing a test. That the test was missed because he was in Afghanistan. So I looked it up and found that 4 months ago he and Champ Bailey indeed did travel there for a USO tour to meet with the troops...........and tweeted:
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The league can't be that dumb? To give one of the top DEF players a black eye and then themselves when it's revealed he was on a USO Tour? They had to know that?
 
Playoffs said:
The league can't be that dumb? To give one of the top DEF players a black eye and then themselves when it's revealed he was on a USO Tour? They had to know that?
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Surely they expected some communication that was not given, or a make up test that was not taken..... like after you come back from Chronic Mecca..

Remember, this would have to be his third offense to be looking at a 4 game suspension.
 
thunderkyss said:
Surely they expected some communication that was not given, or a make up test that was not taken..... like after you come back from Chronic Mecca..

Remember, this would have to be his third offense to be looking at a 4 game suspension.
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That absolutely correct. I wasn't excusing his suspension based on the trip for just that reason. Makes you also wonder if while there, he may have sampled some of Afghanistan's finest.:kitten:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That absolutely correct. I wasn't excusing his suspension based on the trip for just that reason. Makes you also wonder if while there, he may have sampled some of Afghanistan's finest.:kitten:
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I know I would have & would have refused(vehemently) any request for a random screen when I got back.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That absolutely correct. I wasn't excusing his suspension based on the trip for just that reason. Makes you also wonder if while there, he may have sampled some of Afghanistan's finest.:kitten:
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Why, he'd have been the silliest of silly boys not to!

I've read on the interwebs that that Afghani Purple Bud will stick to your fingers and make you forget what you walked into the next room for. Check the source. It's gotta be true! :turtle:
 
Dude isn't helping himself any

Lionel Bienvenu ‏@lionelbienvenu 6m
Von Miller arrested for not appearing in court.charge from last October. careless driving, driving without a license, no proof of insurance.
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HOU-TEX said:
Dude isn't helping himself any
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Stupid idiot!

Broncos linebacker Von Miller arrested


Lindsay H. Jones, USA TODAY Sports 6:03 p.m. EDT August 14, 2013


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — Denver Broncos linebacker Von Miller isn't just in hot water with the NFL right now.

Miller, scheduled to have his appeal hearing Thursday of a four-game suspension for violating of the NFL's drug, was arrested Sunday on a warrant for failure to appear in court on a traffic citation. Miller posted a $1,000 bond that evening and was released, Arapahoe County undersheriff Dave Walcher told USA TODAY Sports.

The Broncos issued a statement Wednesday in which they said they were aware of Miller's incident.

"It was reported to the league earlier this week, and is being handled through the legal system," the team said.

The arrest warrant was initially filed on Jan. 2 after Miller did not appear in an Arapahoe County Court on Dec. 31, a day after the Broncos' final regular season game of last season. He was initially cited in October for careless driving and no proof on insurance.
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Gonna have to change the title...

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m
From @Mortreport and me: Broncos LB Von Miller likely will be suspended as soon as today for at least six games.
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Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport 5m
Miller still hopes to negotiate 4 game suspension; not lot of optimism in Denver. Talks ongoing but 6 games has been on table, per sources

Von Miller's suspension for violation of the league's substance policy is expected to be at least six games, per sources.
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Playoffs said:
Gonna have to change the title...

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m


Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport 5m
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Thanks for the update. I pretty well knew that the League was serious and especially after this began dating back so long, despite what people were saying about it being bogus and that the anticipated 4 game suspension would be turned around. For it to be extended to 6 games, there had to be something more egregious in the mix.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dude isn't helping himself any
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Wow. Von really going out of his way to break the law as quickly as possible.

Cop: You know why I pulled you over?

Von Miller: Depends on how long you were following me!

Cop: Why don't we just take it from the top?

Von Miller: Here goes: I sped. I followed too closely. I ran a stop sign. I almost hit a Chevy. I sped some more. I failed to yield at a crosswalk. I changed lanes at the intersection. I changed lanes without signaling while running a red light and *speeding*!

Cop: Is that all?

Von Miller: No... I have unpaid parking tickets.

[groans]

Von Miller: ... be gentle.
 
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