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Who else would have been unhappy if they won today?

Can you blame Fangio?? He ended up blitzing his Defense when he saw the Prevent was not working. Boller and Fitgerald, MAN, we get beat by BAD Qbs!

GREAT JOB D!!!
 
I was pissed when I saw we had the lead,then turned the radio on to hear the last minute. Im glad we lost, we need that #1 pick. Its just tough love that we have for our team right now.:texflag:
 
I guess I can tell the kind of people who would prefer losing since most of the posts here I cant see because the posters are on my block list.
 
Losers would be pissed if we won today. Nothing good comes from losing. Anyone who is happy the team lost is not a fan of this team plain and simple.
 
I never prefer to lose.....I hope they win each game they play...... :tomato: I don't care about next year...only about the game they are playing in now..
 
We must be getting ready to have the perfect draft coming up with all the players available that will right this ship after 1 bad season. Good thing we have the quality GM that quite a few on this board love, with a deep scouting department that has impressed with the decisions made in the past.

Though the win would not have meant anything - I'd prefer a win just to lift the spirits of the players. However, to get no TD's in the game... probably didn't deserve the win, plus all the penalties.

Would I have been pissed with a win? No - but I'm sure 610 would've been filled with the "we lost the #1 pick" callers for my entire drive in tomorrow morning.
 
So many of you guys are so full of it. Wanting the Texans to lose in order to see a regime change, and a #1 pick is not in any sort of a way a judgement on what type of fan you are of the team. I've been a fan of Houston sports longer than most of you have been born, get real. We want whats best for the city, the team, and ourselves. And there is NOTHING fairweather about that. Save the insults for your Cowboy friends :)
 
Im to the point that if we win I'm kinda 50/50 on what to think . A win is nice and all but at this point , it really dosent count for much .
 
I just dont care if we win or lose because it is about the Playoffs and the Super Bowl. All I heard from the *****s on 610 to all the local sports shows on TV was how good this team would be and would be pushing for a Playoff bid. Of course now you tune into 610 and watch these shows and they blame the fans and ask "well what do you want?"

It just does not matter anymore. If we win, cool, if we lose, hey better draft pick.
 
profan said:
Losers would be pissed if we won today. Nothing good comes from losing. Anyone who is happy the team lost is not a fan of this team plain and simple.
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Nothing good comes from loosing you loser, how about a superstar that might help this team start winning next year; this season is over regardless if they win all their games, what the hell do you want? them to win the remaining games so Capers and co. keeps his job? We need a overhall and it all starts with new coaching and number one overall pick just like when this team was a expansion, we are starting over fellas!
 
What would we have gained by winning? Yay we are 2-10? hooray we beat one of the other worst teams in the league?

we couldnt even have used this victory as proof that we arent as bad as we thought..since the Ravens suck nearly as much as we do.

Win for the sake of winning? sure.. i can understand that.. normally that is my attitude when it comes to competition.. however.. you people who would prefer the win to a loss are not looking at the big picture.

Victory for us isnt an empty W.. victory is whatever it takes to get this franchise back on track to being a REAL and COMPETITIVE football team. Winning against the ravens would have been a LOSS for the franchise.

That first round pick will bring us alot more wins in the future.
 
How is it that the Moderators allow threads like this. I mean completely assinine threads dont do anything for this board other than detract from it. Come on moderators this is one of the best boards out there can we keep it that way.
 
I dont see how this is an assinine thread? its a very real debate right now.. this is pretty much the most important topic for the Texans franchise at this moment. What is more important.. pointless wins or the #1 pick to jump start us back into competitiveness?


And its more like losing $50 and then winning $5000.. the Ravens victory would have been entirely useless... maybe if it had been against the Colts I have had a different opinion. And Reggie Bush is a huge commodity right now.. we can get a good return for that #1 pick when we trade down.
 
I was really unhappy at people who said they wanted them to lose a couple weeks ago, im sorry, but the only thing good about this is they get a better draft pick (value wise) with every loss. I dont like watching them lose, but something good can come out of it, if you wanna look at it with a positive perspective, this is what I do.
 
Coach C. said:
How is it that the Moderators allow threads like this. I mean completely assinine threads dont do anything for this board other than detract from it. Come on moderators this is one of the best boards out there can we keep it that way.
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So we should only be aloud to talk about things that you see fit? Who are you COACH?
 
gg no re said:
Even bandwagon fans wouldn't support losing.....
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No you're right, they wouldn't. That's because they don't care as much as the fans who want to see this team turn it around. Bandwagon fans just want to show up and see the wins. They don't care about the losses because when the team loses they're out of there anyway.

You aren't going to turn around a 1-10 (now 1-11) season though are you?

You can turn a franchise around sure but you can't turn a losing season around once it's past a certain point. All you can do is start working on the future and how do you do that? You put young players in there to see what they can do. You figure out where you need help and you start planning on filling those needs through free agency and the draft.

The higher you draft the better player you get. This is all very, very obvious so need I go on?
 
Is 2-14 or maybe even 3-13 going to feel any better then 1-15? Players turn franchises around, not winning an extra games.

Higher draft pick=Value
Value=Better players overall
2-14=Warm gushy feeling inside??
 
Texans Pride said:
So we should only be aloud to talk about things that you see fit? Who are you COACH?
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He is the same guy who thinks Reggie Bush is a waste of a football player and has no skills. He is just mad, because with this loss, it got us a step closer to drafting Bush or someone else for all the non-Bush supporters. He can't stand it.:texflag:
 
Losing seasons can't be turned around on the last four games, but c'mon. You don't go out and say, "Lose team, lose!"

To demand losing for the sake of a top draft pick is just as bad as a bandwagoner fan.

"But what do you expect us to do?!"

Expect losing, but don't demand it.

Praise players who play well, jump on those who don't.

Criticize the coaches, express how you think the team could improve.

But you just don't go up to your terminally ill father and demand, "Die so I can collect the life insurance, pops!"
 
I"ll admit it. I was rooting for Baltimore to take the ball downfield and kick that winning FG.

In my mind, regarding the future of the club, a win today would have been a loss, and a loss would have been a win. (Heh, chew on that one!)
 
Tell me how getting the number 1 pick in every round legitimately turn this team into a winner. I mean are we going to build like Indy. We take a Manning, Edge, Wayne, Freeney. Come on man that takes several drafts and this one is no different. Whomever we get it will not matter if he is the number 1 or 32 as long as the guy produces.
 
if you are going to try and argue against the #1 pick..at least put forth the effort to make a valid arguement.

How does having the #1 pick in every round NOT help? how does winning any more games this season help?

It is pretty dang obvious that we are helping ourselves alot more by getting a high draft pick..than by winning pointless victories.
 
Marcus said:
I"ll admit it. I was rooting for Baltimore to take the ball downfield and kick that winning FG.

In my mind, regarding the future of the club, a win today would have been a loss, and a loss would have been a win. (Heh, chew on that one!)
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I was too. Some of that was desire to see the Texans maintain their hold on the #1 pick but some of it was just me wanting to see if the Ravens could do something very improbable in the last minute. You know how when you don't care much about the teams involved you can flip your loyalty back and forth sometimes to favor the underdog at the moment? That's how I felt about the game today. It was so sad to watch those two teams "try" to play professional football. I made me think of that line from "North Dallas Forty" where Mac Davis character says someone or something (I can't remember) looked like a "three legged cat trying to cover up _____ on a frozen pond". That's what the two offenses looked like trying to score.

Davis had a good game. You notice though that there is no correlation between the Texans winning and Davis having a good game. You know how you're always seeing announcers drag out that "The Hackensack Doorknobs are 35-2 when Kowalski gets a hundred yards" line? Nobody will ever say that about Domanick Davis and the Houston Texans.

We're 3-7 when he gets his hundred.
 
I'm not arguing against the no. 1 pick. I would LIKE to have it, but not this way!

I'm arguing against the mentality that we should support our current state of losing, especially when it comes to close games.
 
im not going to complain about our losing when that is the best thing we could do right now.

I already support the firing of our coaching staff and Casserly (though id like to keep Marciano and Hoke).. I dont really have anything left to complain about until i see what our new coaching staff can do with our players.

Im not gonna cheer on the opposing team.. but im not gonna cheer for a Texans victory either.. I want that valuable #1 overall pick.
 
I guess in order to secure that #1 pick, gotta pull for the Packers, Jets, and 49ers, huh?

49ers are up for now. Green Bay is still hangng around at 2-10, now. Jets are messing up against New England - I guess that is to be expected.
 
gg no re said:
I'm not arguing against the no. 1 pick. I would LIKE to have it, but not this way!

I'm arguing against the mentality that we should support our current state of losing, especially when it comes to close games.
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Not support. Do you think I'd be dying to see Dom Capers and his staff sent packing if I "supported" what's happening? I say "endure" it because it will make this team better in the long run. Enjoy it when they do things right and take pleasure in the signs that they really aren't this bad when those signs appear but don't overestimate the value of the second "W" of the season when it's not coming until December. A team in that situation is rebuilding already whether it looks like it or not.
 
Grid said:
if you are going to try and argue against the #1 pick..at least put forth the effort to make a valid arguement.

How does having the #1 pick in every round NOT help? how does winning any more games this season help?

It is pretty dang obvious that we are helping ourselves alot more by getting a high draft pick..than by winning pointless victories.
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1. Winning games builds confidence and report for the next season.
2. Some players realize that we are not just a team of losers and think about coming to the Texans when they get a new staff.
3. Cap space is conserved and used on proven players instead of calculated risks
4. Finally, you get the monkey off your back and start a snowball toward the "going right" for us

These are just four reasons why you want to win games. I seem to remember the Colts being terrible after they got Manning for two years, but consistent high picks did nothing for them, it was consistent quality picks that made their team into what it is today. The number 1 pick is a high paid risk that is hard to get away from kinda like pocket Kings. Quality should be the objective not number 1 picks in every round.
 
HoustonFan said:
I guess in order to secure that #1 pick, gotta pull for the Packers, Jets, and 49ers, huh?

49ers are up for now. Green Bay is still hangng around at 2-10, now. Jets are messing up against New England - I guess that is to be expected.
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I wish those other teams would start winning some games. Then I'd feel 100% good if the Texans won a few more. Don't anybody think I don't like watching Texans wins. I do.
 
we can worry about confidence when our new coaching staff is here. they will be learning a new system anyway.

and beating teams as bad as us doesnt prove anything.


as for Carr not working for us.. that is debatable. he has issues now but if he hadnt been sacked 200+ times it could have gone alot different.
 
Actually, the higher the draft pick, the higher the risk and the bigger the cap hit oh, abd the bigger the signing bonus. I will make this simple for all of you who think that the first pick is worth laying down and tanking the rest of the season. I will only go back a few years to like 1997 to illustrate my point. Detroit is so happy with their investment in Joey Harrington, as are the AZ Cards with their really big investment in Wendall Bryant in the same year. Both were drafted in top 10 in the first round, the players hit the lottery, the teams just got to pay a lot of money. here is a list of all the top 10 draft picks who were supposed to be such "sure things" but basically committed larceny everytime they cashed or are still cashing their really big paychecks.

Joey Harrington-Detroit is ready to string him up.
Wendall Bryant-He still gets no playing time
Gerard Warren-He is doing so well-FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!
David Terrell-The Bears fans would probably speed up if he were in the middle of the road.
Koren Robinson-Repeat after me: "My name is Koren and I am an addict"
Santana Moss-He got traded to Washington
Courtney Brown-He is very happy in Denver. Only thing is Cleveland drafted him
La VAr Arrington-He can't get playing time for a HOF Coach
Peter Warrick-Buffalo and Atlanta are probably still bitter about this guy.
Plaxico Burress-He isn't even the best receiver on the team he left Pittsburgh for.
Tim Couch-Are you seeing a trend in Cleveland??
Akili Smith-He couldn't even make it in Europe.
Ricky Williams-He was good when you didn't drug-test him.
David Boston-If Congress would only pass their performance-enhancing law, the NFl would be rid of this guy forever.
Claiborne
Ryan Leaf-NUFF SAID!!!
Andre Wadsworth-Are you seeing a trend with the Cards??
Curtis Enis-If Bush blows out his ACL, he can be like this guy.
Kyle Turley-I heard he thinks he's a rock-star now. Well, with that big signing bonus he got, he lives like one.
Duane Starks-He can't get playing time on DB-starved NE roster

My point is having a top10 draft pick only guarantees you will be shook down by some snake-oil salesman like Drew Rosenhaus for millions of dollars and they are non-refundable!!! We have a good and productive running back in DD. Bush never has more than roughly 20 carries a game and USC has one of the best O-lines in the nation. Unlike other teams with really bad offensive lines, DD still gets 1000 rushing yards a season. Does anyone know if Bush can even take the punishment of 30 carries a game or equal DD's production if we continue to use the bargain basement to put together our offensive line? Do you know why the teams that always win keep winning?? They draft what they need, not the flashiest player on the board. This team needs to spend that 1st rd pick on a offensive linemen because good teams don't let good offensive linemen hit the free-agent market except the nitwits in Green Bay and look at their record. :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
 
Gunbunny you talk to much sense. Right now you are only allowed to post with emotion, please stop making sense.
 
Gunbuny this is one of the best posts I have seen on this board. Thank you for clever illustration of this point, but I wish you would have showed the comparison to hits and misses in just one first round of the draft. You would be suprised how many guys are enjoying their new found millions for being workout warriors or big time prospects.
 
the problem with 1st round picks isnt that they are busts.

thats just... stupid. Thats like giving a monkey a million dollars and then blaming it on the money when he blows it on bananas.

The team with the 1st pick usually drafts a bust because they are a bad team with a bad GM that doesnt know what he is doing.

we will have a new GM.. and (god willing) he is going to be very competent.. and he will know what to do with the first overall pick.

I am personally hoping that we trade down so that we can fill alot more holes.. but even if we dont.. a competent GM will take advantage of having the pick of the litter and get the best player available in the draft.
 
Coach C. said:
3. Cap space is conserved and used on proven players instead of calculated risks
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Oh ya, I see what you mean, the #1 pick is too risky but the 167th pick is garanteed everytime. Oh ya, thats what i was thinking, the 212th pick is a proven player, draft in the 200's, because they are all proven and dont cost that much. Wow! You still have no clue what you are talking about. Someone help COACH!!!
 
Man how is it you take something out of context and then turn it into emotional spin. You are worst than a politician. 179 posts and you still have not made a quality post. Someone should help you.
 
uhcougar08 said:
Oh ya, I see what you mean, the #1 pick is too risky but the 167th pick is garanteed everytime. Oh ya, thats what i was thinking, the 212th pick is a proven player, draft in the 200's, because they are all proven and dont cost that much. Wow! You still have no clue what you are talking about. Someone help COACH!!!
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Coach does not need help replying to your knowledge base.
 
uhcougar08 said:
Oh ya, I see what you mean, the #1 pick is too risky but the 167th pick is garanteed everytime. Oh ya, thats what i was thinking, the 212th pick is a proven player, draft in the 200's, because they are all proven and dont cost that much.
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Yeah because we would really trade our #1 for a 167 and a 212.:sarcasm:
 
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