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Depending on the players that would be a very good draft. Waiting to hit on a need in a later round is so risky, I tend to want to avoid that. For example, if I knew B. Williams NT would be there #89, I would be ecstatic. Minter is good but not the physical tackler I want. He had 111 tackles '12 but not sure if he holds up in NFL playing as he did for LSU. As you know, you cannot look just at size. Minter is right there with Klein, Te'o and Beauharnais, just not sure if same type of player. I mocked Minter early but backed up from him just a bit as season wore on. I could be wrong but I am concerned about him. He is very cerebral though and that could make him very good. I guess for me it is better to use a later round pick for similar player for a position rather than gamble on a first.I'm going with Kevin Minter. I think we go LB in the 1st, WR 2nd, OT/OG, NT in the 3rd, S in 4th, and whatever after that.
Hopkins has dropped (motel incident?) & so has Short. Wished there was a way we could get a NT and Short.DeAndre Hopkins. Safest WR pick in the draft. He may not have the ceiling of Patterson but he sure has a much higher floor. Also although I sure wouldn't mind Kawann Short at #27, I think we can get Jesse Williams in the 2nd and I'd be happy with that as well.
Hunt over Kawan Short to replace Smith?Margus hunt. If he's not available Cornelius Carradine. Hunt is physically as gifted as any d line prospect you'll find. Plus he's a good football player with a good motor. He plays with a lot of energy. Even though he's 6'8" he plays with good leverage and good strength. Hunt is about as freakish an athlete as there is. But unlike some other guys, his athleticism translates to the football field. I think if Hunt was in a better conference or played more football he'd be a top 10 pick easily.
Hunt would be a rotation player this year and eventually replace Antonio.
I would even play some three man fronts with smith watt and hunt all in at once.
Hunt over Kawan Short to replace Smith?
Short is a nice player but he doesn't have near the ceiling that hunt has. I think if we got hunt at the end of the first it'd be a steal, whereas I think shorts value is late first early second.
I like shorts game, but he can't do a lot of the things hunt can do just from a pure ability standpoint. Hunts ceiling is very, very high.
I've gone back and forth over the last couple months and if we stay at 27 I think hunt provides the most value to this team in the short and long term.
The bolded is confusing to me. What is it that Hunt can do that Short cant? Right now Short is head Nd shoulders above Hunt in every aspect of the game. The only thing Hunt has on Short at this point is that he's a better athlete. There's reall no comparison in the two as far as what they are capable of doing on the football field.
Hunt is a project player. There is a huge gamble in taking him. Great athletes dont always translate to great players. You can say he has a higher ceiling based on his physical abilities but at the same time you have to realize he has a way lower floor. He is similar to Okoye when we drafted him. Not sure at this point we should be gambling on upside. IMO we need to go for more experienced guys that have proven themselves consistently against top competition.
The bolded is confusing to me. What is it that Hunt can do that Short cant?
If your looking for just an amazing athlete to train on the DL. Lawrence Okoye in the 4th-6th rd represents better value than Hunt in the 1st.
He is similar to Okoye when we drafted him.
Now this I don't understand.
Okoye was a top ten pick...He came out and was the youngest player to ever play in the NFL. Ever. Margus Hunt is 25 and will likely be picked at the end of the first round. Coming out of college Margus Hunt has spent more time as a DE than JJ Watt did. He spent more time at DE than Connor Barwin did.
Hunt has been playing DE for 4 years.
I think there's a huge misconception about Hunt by some. He's been playing football for a while now and has gotten better over time. Dude's not just some great athlete that has not played a lick of football...
I think at worst Hunt is a solid starter in a year or two. I think at best he's a dominant player in the front 7.
Now this I don't understand.
Okoye was a top ten pick...He came out and was the youngest player to ever play in the NFL. Ever. Margus Hunt is 25 and will likely be picked at the end of the first round. Coming out of college Margus Hunt has spent more time as a DE than JJ Watt did. He spent more time at DE than Connor Barwin did.
Hunt has been playing DE for 4 years.
I think there's a huge misconception about Hunt by some. He's been playing football for a while now and has gotten better over time. Dude's not just some great athlete that has not played a lick of football...
I think at worst Hunt is a solid starter in a year or two. I think at best he's a dominant player in the front 7.
Curious as to how you determined TE a big need? We have a very good starter and back up with end of roster filled with potential. I would not be shocked if we draft a TE but not before day 3.I voted other because I have a feeling it will be a typical didnt see that coming pick. But I think a DL pass rusher is in our future.
Jesse Williams - DT needs to be quick. Not just huge.
DeAndre Hopkins - Strong possibility.
Keenan Allen - Strong possibility.
Cordarrelle Patterson - Strong possibility.
Tyler Eifert - Strong possibility with TE a big need. But I think he goes around 20.
Johnathan Cooper - Guard in first round? Texans like guards in the 3rd-4th round. I like Wade Smith, Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones.
Menelik Watson - RT in first round for a ZBS? Use a 3rd rounder on RT if you must.
Manti Te'o - Antonio Smith might make fun of him. Alot. :P
Kevin Minter, ILB LSU - Not enough difference between Minter in round 1 when we could get a player like Bostic in round 3.
I seldom focused on Hunt as he did nothing to catch my eye other than his blocked kicks. Short astounded me with his play and motor especially at bowl. Hunt could become great but based on what I have seen, he is not on Kawaan Short's level, today. We all have opinions and that is all they are.I love Hunt and would happy as hell if our scouts thought he was the good enough to draft with our first pick. I said a long time ago he would be the perfect player to put under Watts wing. I just think he is risky because he is so raw.
Yes he played 4 years at SMU but he had no clue what football even was before that. Four years in conference USA without ever having played before doesn't make a great résumé. I will say this, he improved every year and looked really good late last season although he wasn't going against great competition.
He is getting drafted more for his potential than what he has shown on the field in actual games. That is why I compared him to Okoye and why I don't think we will go down that road again.
Curious as to how you determined TE a big need? We have a very good starter and back up with end of roster filled with potential. I would not be shocked if we draft a TE but not before day 3.
I seldom focused on Hunt as he did nothing to catch my eye other than his blocked kicks. Short astounded me with his play and motor especially at bowl. Hunt could become great but based on what I have seen, he is not on Kawaan Short's level, today. We all have opinions and that is all they are.
Why no, trade completely OUT of the first round?
How mad would you be if the Texans traded this year's 1st for a 1st in 2014 and another lower round pick this year?
How mad would you be if the Texans traded this year's 1st for a 1st in 2014 and another lower round pick this year?
I seldom focused on Hunt as he did nothing to catch my eye other than his blocked kicks. Short astounded me with his play and motor especially at bowl. Hunt could become great but based on what I have seen, he is not on Kawaan Short's level, today. We all have opinions and that is all they are.
Well, of course it would depend on the deal and our trading partner. If we traded with the Cards or Bills and got their first next year and a 2nd and 5th this year I'd be good with that.How mad would you be if the Texans traded this year's 1st for a 1st in 2014 and another lower round pick this year?
I'm going with Kevin Minter. I think we go LB in the 1st, WR 2nd, OT/OG, NT in the 3rd, S in 4th, and whatever after that.
The more I look at Texans DLine it screams help.
Reasons
DE/NT
A.Smith final year in contract.
T.Jamison returning from right Achilles tear on Oct.14 2012.
David Hunter returning from injuring his toe during practice that required surgery.
Ra'shon Harris is in final yr of contract and returning from tearing his right triceps.
Earl Mitchell final year contract.
S.Cody is a FA and with back injury.(gone)
Terrell McClain final year contract.
Only depth that is healthly and not in final year of contract is J.Crick.
Lots of questions on players returning from major injuires.
After 2013 only Watt & Crick & Hunter under contract.
If I missed something let me know.
First 3 pick in any order IMO are WR-NT/DE-LB
The player they chose will be able to play both NT and DE.
Well, of course it would depend on the deal and our trading partner. If we traded with the Cards or Bills and got their first next year and a 2nd and 5th this year I'd be good with that.
Two 1st's next year and two additional picks this year is some pretty decent horse trading IMHO. Especially since - using the teams I named - we wouldn't really drop down very far.
And even the draftniks around here have kinda been all over the map for that first pick. From what I've seen on this board, there's no concensus on who we just HAVE to have with that #27 pick. Yeah, "conventional wisdom" kinda agrees we need a WR at #27, but is there that much of a drop off if we take that WR at 38 (Cards) or at 41 (Bills)?
Curious as to how you determined TE a big need? We have a very good starter and back up with end of roster filled with potential. I would not be shocked if we draft a TE but not before day 3.
In this pass happy league , I cant see a #1 pick being spent on an ILB who will only play ~40% of the snaps , especially when there are several ILB's who will be there in the 3rd / 4th rounds who are very close talent wise to Minter.
For me that #1 pick comes down to a few positions - DE , OLB , WR and DT. Notice that three of those positions are "get after the QB types".