ASidd_1990
Waterboy
http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2013/04/mock-draft-2-0-texans-get-a-weapon/
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Lance Zierlein Mock Draft 2.0
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ThaShark316
#28
Eifert?
I've been calling for a BAD ASS TE alongside Mr. Daniels for a while, so this would be glorious.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Well if you're of the opinion that Schaub's noodle arm can't make the long throws, an short to intermediate target that can catch and block would be ideal. I wouldn't be upset with Eifert, he will be a much better TE than OD is right now.
I've been reviewing the Texans and Saints pre-season tapes.
One of the 3 guys (Brock, Byrne, or Supernaw), I think, will probably make the squad next year - my ranking is in that order.
The highest I think the Texans will use on a TE is probably the third round.
However, given the shortage at the top end, it's more likely that they will use a later pick, if at all. My guess is a guy with pass-catching ability (but lacking in the blocking department such that his draft stock is depressed.)
One of the 3 guys (Brock, Byrne, or Supernaw), I think, will probably make the squad next year - my ranking is in that order.
The highest I think the Texans will use on a TE is probably the third round.
However, given the shortage at the top end, it's more likely that they will use a later pick, if at all. My guess is a guy with pass-catching ability (but lacking in the blocking department such that his draft stock is depressed.)
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
The Texans didn't draft a TE in either '11 or '12, and with OD's age and injury history, I'd have no problem with Eifert.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
As someone who wanted us to take Fleener last year, I wouldn't be totally opposed to Eifert.
But I'm expecting us to draft defense first.
But I'm expecting us to draft defense first.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
OK.
I just looked over this mock. And, granted, I haven't been able to educate myself on this year's draft like I've tried to do the past few years but...
We take Eifert over Patterson or Ogletree? Really?
I'm not seeing that.
I just looked over this mock. And, granted, I haven't been able to educate myself on this year's draft like I've tried to do the past few years but...
We take Eifert over Patterson or Ogletree? Really?
I'm not seeing that.
Doppelganger
None
how could Texans pass on Cordarrelle Patterson?
Austin at 9?
Hopkins at 25?
Eifert is a good player, but I question this selection. For this to happen the Texans would have to pass on Keenan Allen, Cordarelle Patterson, and Alec Ogletree. If those 4 were available to me I would probably rank them:
1. Patterson
2. Allen
3. Ogletree
4. Eifert.
I wouldn't be pissed with the TE selection....
But how much longer is Schaub going to be around?? Do we want to pass on a possible Andre replacement down the road because Schaub may or may not be able to fully utilize their skill set?
I don't know....
If Eifert makes us that much better right now, then I maybe we should grit and bare it...
LZ doesn't have anybody in the first round taking Patterson, so I'm thinking he just had a mental lapse, maybe had to rush too much to make a deadline.how could Texans pass on Cordarrelle Patterson?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
He actually mentions Patterson at one point, so... it was a conscious decision on his part to have him fall.
There aren't enough balls to go around for three TEs.
Granted, Graham's contract will be up after this season, but whatever new contract he's going to sign should probably be less than the $2M per that a first rounder @27 will require.
If he balls out, the better; however, with the way the Texans spread the ball, AJ, OD and Foster should get a lot of targets.
The added value for an Eifert, IMO, would not be enough to warrants a first round pick at TE.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Draft Countdown made the same pick for Houston.
Link.
I would oppose this selection. I understand the philosophy of Best Available Player, but sometimes you do not have a choice. We have --literally-- no one next to Cushing. WR#2 is practically vacant, as is a third OLB for rotation.
As always though, I'd have to reserve judgement until the end of the season. It's just difficult to be excited over this pick.
Link.
I would oppose this selection. I understand the philosophy of Best Available Player, but sometimes you do not have a choice. We have --literally-- no one next to Cushing. WR#2 is practically vacant, as is a third OLB for rotation.
As always though, I'd have to reserve judgement until the end of the season. It's just difficult to be excited over this pick.
nero THE zero
All Pro
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Exactly! And that's why I'm here in the first 3 rounds:
1.) Kevin Minter ILB LSU
2.) Da'Rick Rogers WR Tennessee Tech
3.) Corey Lemonier OLB Auburn
3.) Jordan Reed TE Florida
Might flip-flop Reed with Lemonier, but same difference...and I think they'll be there at those spots.
Maybe, but that's still surprising to me.
I watched some tape on Patterson and he's very, very gifted, as a matter of fact almost too much so because he's got what I would call a "Reggie Bush-complex" in the sense that he repeatedly tries and often succeeds in doubling back on many plays to outrun the defense. This was something that Bush did in college, but it seemed to take years for him to understand he couldn't do that in the NFL like college because of the difference in speed of the defenses.
But this Patterson does everything on the offense including running the ball (reverses), kick returns, and of course pass receiving. He's an elite athlete and if the Texans had him at 27 (and it ain't gonna happen), I'd be stunned and really pizzed if they passed on him.
Porky
Hall of Fame
WR is deeper than TE (imo) so I'm down with this pick. TE is a need at this point. Laugh all you want, but what TE have we drafted in the last couple of years? And we've lost two good ones - count em two in the last two years.
We could pick up a god WR in rd 2 or 3. But I could also see a WR, a safety, or a LB too at #1. If there is a trade partner, I wouldn't mind picking up an extra #3 which could be a good spot for an ILB or safety.
We could pick up a god WR in rd 2 or 3. But I could also see a WR, a safety, or a LB too at #1. If there is a trade partner, I wouldn't mind picking up an extra #3 which could be a good spot for an ILB or safety.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Maybe because of his sloppy technique running routes. He's pretty electric once the ball's in his hands, but considering Kubiak's love for running perfect routes and being in the right place at the right time...I don't see us targeting him.
If they are elite talents then they shouldn't make it to our pick.
Hence the key word "possible"...
There are some very talented guys in this crop that will likely fall due to various concerns.
If we don't have coaches that can teach guys how to run routes better then what are they here for...
I don't disagree with that at all...
That mindset is baffling.
If you don't see WR's in this draft that could possibly be number one receivers then I don't know what to tell you.
If you're holding out for another prospect like Andre or Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones or Green in Cincy don't hold your breath. We likely won't be drafting that high for a while.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
College coaches don't get to spend as much time with these guys as a pro coach does.
I think Rey's point was that with all of Patterson's talent our coaches should be good enough to teach him how to run his routes correctly.
Doppelganger
None
Even if you get that kind of high pick you have to be there the year that kind of guy becomes available. It is next to impossible to get another Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, etc.
San Francisco is still waiting for the next Jerry Rice.
Dallas is still waiting for the next Michael Irvin.
Chicago is still waiting for the next Walter Payton.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Maybe so, but how long are we willing to wait if it is a coachable problem? We all know how anal Kubiak is when it comes to his offense. Players like Foster, Brandon Brooks, Posey, etc never even see the field offensively until they learn and run the offense the way he wants it. Being a 1st rounder, I'd expect them contributing from day 1.
Who knows who's right? It's a crapshoot, but I'd think my chances would be better going defense in the 1st.
Doppelganger
None
Outside of AJ the available WR options at the start of the season are:
Martin: a slot receiver
LeStar jean: hasn't shown enough in 2 years.
Jeff Maehl: bounced between practice squad and roster.
Some random FA WR the Texans will sign after the draft.
Based on that, Patterson WOULD start from Day 1 as WR #2. Posey is injured and Patterson is better than Jean or Maehl or the unnamed FA WR. They don't need Patterson to be a superstar in year 1, they just need him to catch around 40 balls and get a few touchdowns. He can certainly do that.
Scooter
Funky
no thanks. we have a very good #1 tight end, and a solid #2 ... this is a position that could use depth, not a starter. with good talent still available at need positions like wide receiver and linebacker, we'd be be crazy to pass them up in favor of a guy who has to surpass two players to see any meaningful time on the field.
This would be our loss.
He will be ready to be AJ's replacement when father time catches up with AJ. Until then Patterson is a threat to take it to the house any time the ball is in his hands. Is Patterson a mensa candidate? No, but neither is/was AJ as a rookie.
I'm a draft Short in the 1st guy, but if patterson falls to the Texans at 27 the pick is a no brainer. IMHO
Sounds like that's Gary's problem.
Trust me I saw quite a bit of Vol football this yr. Dooley was in way over his head. He only got the Tennessee job because of his family name and he failed miserably. Look at his record vs the talent on the squad, it speaks vo9lumes.
Unless everybody with talent was overrated and Dooley was able to coach them up. LOL
Dooley was quite possibly the wosrt college HC that I've seen in a while. Dooley vs/ Saban/Muschamp/Richt/Mullen, even Miles = LOL
PN was right...I was saying that our coaches should be able to coach him up to a certain degree...
Patterson has only had one year with a big time program...
He came from JUCO...Not to say that you can't get good coaching in JUCO, but I'm willing to bet that NFL coaching is better...
badboy
Hall of Fame
$3.5 million in bonus against $ 8.5 m salary.
Texaninlild
Veteran
I think the Texans are more likely to go TE in the first than WR given the history. I think a 2 TE set would be ideal for Schuaby, but we had Casey and never used him appropriately so I question if Kubes would adapt the offense to that style?? I still do not see a WR coming off the board for us until Rd2 or 3 IMO.
Everything I read on Ogletree is that he is an accident waiting to happen and stuck on stupid, however well he scores athletically. I would love to see another stud ILB though next to Cush.
I still like the raw athleticism I see in Hunt. Watt 2.0 possibly... Just imagine QBs trying to get throws off with the giant white swatters on both sides.
Everything I read on Ogletree is that he is an accident waiting to happen and stuck on stupid, however well he scores athletically. I would love to see another stud ILB though next to Cush.
I still like the raw athleticism I see in Hunt. Watt 2.0 possibly... Just imagine QBs trying to get throws off with the giant white swatters on both sides.
Why? Smithiak haven't taken a TE higher than the 4th round (or a WR higher than the 3rd round). I don't see any history that leans one way or the other.
The history I see is the Texans drafting best player available....at a need position. 2008, the Texans really needed a LT. Duane Brown. 2010, they needed a CB. Kareem Jackson. Of course, there's usually more than one need. You can make a case that WR, ILB, RT, or even OLB are needs. So that would give them some flexibility at which position they select in the 1st round.
TE? Sure, they need one. But someone to compete for the 3rd spot. Not a starter, or even someone that competes as a starter. If you are going by Texans history, TE doesn't make sense in the 1st round at all.
I concur.
That starter is getti g up in age and makes too much money and gets hurt a lot. A TE at 27 would automatically be our best TE and get plenty of playing time. Also would allow us to let Daniels go next year and use the Money to to extend Cushing and Watt.
Also graham hasn't really shown too much. Now that Casey is gone if one of them goes down our offense will really suffer.
However this is a very deep draft for TE so I would rather wait till later to get one too.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Hunt would be a nice pick for us. We can draft WR in 2nd or 3rd rd where still talented prospects should be available.
Agree on all points. Even if he needs to be coached up on route running, there are ways of getting the ball in his hands. It's not like Walter was a great route runner. Kubiak can scheme a guy open enough.
I would even let him return kicks. He is a threat to score everytime he touches the ball. That alone would make teams have to focus on him. That's what is really important anyway right? Someone to take some of the attention of of Andre.
Would like to add that neither Eifert nor Ertz are just a TE. Both are capable and have lined up in-line, in the slot and outside the numbers. They are both matchup nightmares because they are really giant WR's who know how to get open and know how to catch the ball at it's highest point over defenders.
I'm not sure there is a WR in this draft that could come in and produce more faster than either one of these guys. Both are safer picks than ANY WR in this draft for sure.
I'm not sure there is a WR in this draft that could come in and produce more faster than either one of these guys. Both are safer picks than ANY WR in this draft for sure.
Like I said, there are only so many balls to throw around.
With OD and Graham on the team and the way we like to get the ball to AJ and Foster (or any RB that can catch the ball, including Tate), another TE is not going to add much value to the outcome of the game.
Don't forget that I was the one who touted Eifert as the number one TE to watch since last year.
I really want the Texans to trade away the first round for a future first and something like a second or a third this year.
There will be some great player at the top half of the first next year that we'll have to trade up if we want them; real game changers.
Trading out of the first, you can still get some added value with that second or third rounder this year.
The team that get our first could package two first rounders to move up to the top to get the guy they want to win now, so it's not out of the equation, really.
Do it Rick!
With OD and Graham on the team and the way we like to get the ball to AJ and Foster (or any RB that can catch the ball, including Tate), another TE is not going to add much value to the outcome of the game.
Don't forget that I was the one who touted Eifert as the number one TE to watch since last year.
I really want the Texans to trade away the first round for a future first and something like a second or a third this year.
There will be some great player at the top half of the first next year that we'll have to trade up if we want them; real game changers.
Trading out of the first, you can still get some added value with that second or third rounder this year.
The team that get our first could package two first rounders to move up to the top to get the guy they want to win now, so it's not out of the equation, really.
Do it Rick!
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
From the comments section of the post, Lance's explanation regarding Patterson falling out of the first round:
My thoughts: No one in the media is in the room during player interviews, and they don't have much visibility to some important aspects until after the draft. If you have a reliable source who does have visibility, then that information has a lot of influence.
My thoughts: No one in the media is in the room during player interviews, and they don't have much visibility to some important aspects until after the draft. If you have a reliable source who does have visibility, then that information has a lot of influence.
I've heard that he has had some really bad interviews.
Ummmmm....I had Irvin in the first last year...
I doubt Patterson falls out of the first round, but regardless I wouldn't want to pass him up for a TE.