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Ricky Williams

uhcougar08 said:
Dont want cancer on this team, he can go smoke pot somewhere else.:texflag:
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Hilarious how anyone can call him a cancer. Quitter? Sure. Cancer? Laughable. He's not complaining about playtime. He's not in Ronnie Brown's face. He's not going to the media with anything negative. He's not a distraction at all. He let his teammates down last year and he's contributing in big ways this year on the field and off. He's pushing Ronnie Brown to be better. He's rushing very well, 4.3 YPC (if you take away his first two weeks that it took to shake off the rust) with two scores.

People make mistakes. Get over it.
 
I actually like Ricky and wouldn't mind him being on the team. The guy is a great player and extremely talented. He made a mistake and needed some time to think about his life, but he is back now and from what I've heard, is one of the hardest working players on the team. If anything they aren't using him enough.
 
We already have a pot smoking GM and Head Coach. It's time to send the bong party somewhere else.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Hilarious how anyone can call him a cancer. Quitter? Sure. Cancer? Laughable. He's not complaining about playtime. He's not in Ronnie Brown's face. He's not going to the media with anything negative. He's not a distraction at all. He let his teammates down last year and he's contributing in big ways this year on the field and off. He's pushing Ronnie Brown to be better. He's rushing very well, 4.3 YPC (if you take away his first two weeks that it took to shake off the rust) with two scores.

People make mistakes. Get over it.
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NO, you get over it. The guy is playing for one reason and one reason only: MONEY!!! He would have owed the Dolphins like $7 Million or something like that. I would come back if i owed that much too. Once he is done owing them, hes gone. Mark my words on that one. I dont want any quiters on the Texans. And that makes him a Cancer in my book.
 
If the Texans picked up Ricky Williams via trade before the draft and then picked their franchise LT in the first round then it would take one or two series to win over the people who think adding him would be a mistake. One 40+ yard touchdown run and the cheers would drown out the complaints.

I'd take Ricky Williams in a heartbeat. The guy may be playing only to pay back the money but Ricky Williams playing to wipe out his debt is about twice the back that Domanick Davis ever will be and can almost single handedly turn a team around.
 
uhcougar08 said:
NO, you get over it. The guy is playing for one reason and one reason only: MONEY!!! He would have owed the Dolphins like $7 Million or something like that. I would come back if i owed that much too. Once he is done owing them, hes gone. Mark my words on that one. I dont want any quiters on the Texans. And that makes him a Cancer in my book.
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It must suck totally that someone who to you, is only playing for money, is outperforming our starter. Same amount of touchdowns on 100 less carries. A half yard better per carry. Not to mention he's coming off an 18 month offseason. My oh my, that guy has no heart.

I envy you though, UHC, you've never made a mistake in your life. I must say you are probably one of a kind in my book.
 
The problem is not Ricky's drive or his ability to play. IMO, it's his smoking. He has already been on the four-game suspension. The next time he is busted, he is out for a year. I like Ricky, and I think he is an awesome running back, but I think he is too much of a liability to any team for that reason.
 
I don't get all this fascination with going out to get a new running back. DD may be our second-best offensive player and he never gets any respect. Sure, he's not Tomlinson, but few backs ever are. You can't hit home runs at every position and Super Bowls have been won with lesser backs than Davis. IMO, Davis would be even more effective than he currently is if the line run blocked a little better (they do well some Sundays and others .... ehhh) and if the team mixed in Wells or Morency more frequently. I see Davis as a Warrick Dunn or Brian Westbrook type of back. And that's pretty good.

There are about nine other positions that need to be addressed on offense before we get to RB.
 
oso said:
The problem is not Ricky's drive or his ability to play. IMO, it's his smoking. He has already been on the four-game suspension. The next time he is busted, he is out for a year. I like Ricky, and I think he is an awesome running back, but I think he is too much of a liability to any team for that reason.
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And for that reason(which he is tested for, I believe twice a week during the season) he will probably come cheap to whoever wants him.
 
The question I have is what would we be giving up for him and, even though he would apparently be an improvement, shouldn't we be looking to improve at other positions?
 
Hervoyel said:
I'd take Ricky Williams in a heartbeat. The guy may be playing only to pay back the money but Ricky Williams playing to wipe out his debt is about twice the back that Domanick Davis ever will be and can almost single handedly turn a team around.
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Ricky definately turned the Dolphins around in '04.

You could wait a long time for that 40 yard run. Ricky has 3 of them for his career and sports a whopping 4.0 ypc average (same as Davis) over 6 seasons. Williams is not a breakaway runner, and he's not a workhorse anymore since dropping 20 lbs. The myth that Ricky Williams is a special back is just that. And once you consider that the guy is one puff from a year's suspension, why bring him in?
 
Lucky said:
Ricky definately turned the Dolphins around in '04.

You could wait a long time for that 40 yard run. Ricky has 3 of them for his career and sports a whopping 4.0 ypc average (same as Davis) over 6 seasons. Williams is not a breakaway runner, and he's not a workhorse anymore since dropping 20 lbs. The myth that Ricky Williams is a special back is just that. And once you consider that the guy is one puff from a year's suspension, why bring him in?
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Kinda funny that Ricky has more 20 yard carries this year than Davis does, eh?
 
Hervoyel said:
If the Texans picked up Ricky Williams via trade before the draft and then picked their franchise LT in the first round then it would take one or two series to win over the people who think adding him would be a mistake. One 40+ yard touchdown run and the cheers would drown out the complaints.

I'd take Ricky Williams in a heartbeat. The guy may be playing only to pay back the money but Ricky Williams playing to wipe out his debt is about twice the back that Domanick Davis ever will be and can almost single handedly turn a team around.
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Maybe two years ago but not anymore. Ricky doesn't have the speed he once did (which wasn't stellar even then) and has lost a lot of his power. I would take Domanick over the current Ricky Williams any day.
 
eriadoc said:
I don't get all this fascination with going out to get a new running back. DD may be our second-best offensive player and he never gets any respect. Sure, he's not Tomlinson, but few backs ever are. You can't hit home runs at every position and Super Bowls have been won with lesser backs than Davis. IMO, Davis would be even more effective than he currently is if the line run blocked a little better (they do well some Sundays and others .... ehhh) and if the team mixed in Wells or Morency more frequently. I see Davis as a Warrick Dunn or Brian Westbrook type of back. And that's pretty good.

There are about nine other positions that need to be addressed on offense before we get to RB.
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Dunn is a very small, very quick and fast RB, Westbrook is similar as a good receiver and all, maybe a little faster but much less of a power runner than Domanick. I honestly see Davis as an Emmitt Smith-type back without the stellar OL blocking for him, a respectable passing game/play calling to take pressure off him, and a defense that can get off the field and give him the ball back.
 
Ricky doesn't come across as the kind of guy that's playing professional football because he wants to.
 
MorKnolle said:
Maybe two years ago but not anymore. Ricky doesn't have the speed he once did (which wasn't stellar even then) and has lost a lot of his power. I would take Domanick over the current Ricky Williams any day.
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Huh?? Have you seen Ricky play this year?? His speed is certainly not an issue, he blew RIGHT past the secondary on Sunday for his TD run. He lost a lot of his power, but he's still harder to bring down than DD. The only thing he lost a great amount of, was vision. That's slowly starting to come back as well. He's had one bad game since his third game and that's against New England, who is..well, I'll just say decent against the run.
 
Huge said:
Ricky doesn't come across as the kind of guy that's playing professional football because he wants to.
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Curtis Martin has come out openly that he doesnt have a passion for football. How's that workin out for him?
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
It must suck totally that someone who to you, is only playing for money, is outperforming our starter. Same amount of touchdowns on 100 less carries. A half yard better per carry. Not to mention he's coming off an 18 month offseason. My oh my, that guy has no heart.

I envy you though, UHC, you've never made a mistake in your life. I must say you are probably one of a kind in my book.
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Your wrong, I dont care if he has 2000 yards and 40 TD's by the end of the season, once hes paid his debt, he's gone. I dont like DD, and yes he would be an upgrade over him. And yes, I have never made a mistaken. HAHA!
 
MorKnolle said:
Dunn is a very small, very quick and fast RB, Westbrook is similar as a good receiver and all, maybe a little faster but much less of a power runner than Domanick. I honestly see Davis as an Emmitt Smith-type back without the stellar OL blocking for him, a respectable passing game/play calling to take pressure off him, and a defense that can get off the field and give him the ball back.
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I've actually compared him to Emmitt before as well, in terms of his running style and such, so I agree with that. With my earlier comparison, I was kind of speaking to how this team should really utilize him to his best effectiveness. He should be out there about 70% of the time, not 98% of the time. Westbrook has worked his way into a full-time role, but that is not how the team planned/plans in the future to use him. They've just had bad luck with Buckhalter.

Anyway, just saying, work in our other backs, at least until our offensive line is really a playoff-caliber line. Regardless, as I said before, RB is about the 10th position on offense we need to concern ourselves with.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Curtis Martin has come out openly that he doesnt have a passion for football. How's that workin out for him?
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Dude, you need help. Get out of the cold up there, it's blurring your vision.
 
uhcougar08 said:
Your wrong, I dont care if he has 2000 yards and 40 TD's by the end of the season, once hes paid his debt, he's gone. I dont like DD, and yes he would be an upgrade over him.And yes, I have never made a mistaken. HAHA!
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My wrong what?

Once he's paid his debt?? He's making the league minimum with no incentives this season. So YOU are wrong there.

He's 29, he doesnt have a lot of years left in the tank regardless of money.

Your arguement, if one can even call it that, is terribly flawed.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Curtis Martin has come out openly that he doesnt have a passion for football. How's that workin out for him?
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It hasn't seem to hamper Martin's career.

Are we talking about Curtis Martin or Ricky Williams? Or are they both one in the same person?
 
Huge said:
It hasn't seem to hamper Martin's career.

Are we talking about Curtis Martin or Ricky Williams? Or are they both one in the same person?
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Ricky's year off didnt hamper his career either. He made a career choice to take a vacation. If it hampered his career, he wouldnt be playing right now.

You were the one who brought up "passion for football" so the Curtis Martin story is certainly relevant.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Ricky's year off didnt hamper his career either. He made a career choice to take a vacation. If it hampered his career, he wouldnt be playing right now.

You were the one who brought up "passion for football" so the Curtis Martin story is certainly relevant.
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Ricky pre-weed smoking vacation:
1,270 yards per season (90.78 per game), 8.6 TDs per season

Ricky post-weed smoking vacation:
45 yards per game, 2 TDs (thru 7 games)

Nah, hasn't effected his career at all. :ok:

As for Curtis Martin...again, are they one in the same person? Do you really believe that each individual reacts to adversity in the same manner? Martin can be a professional and still get the job done even if he only views it as a job. Ricky left for a year because he decided smoking weed was more important to him than playing football.

But their situations are similar. You betcha.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
I envy you though, UHC, you've never made a mistake in your life. I must say you are probably one of a kind in my book.
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I'm not sure if I have either but I could be mistaken ....
 
Huge said:
Ricky pre-weed smoking vacation:
1,270 yards per season (90.78 per game), 8.6 TDs per season

Ricky post-weed smoking vacation:
45 yards per game, 2 TDs (thru 7 games)

Nah, hasn't effected his career at all. :ok:
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That could be the worst arguement I've ever read. Awful, wow. I couldnt even continue reading afterwards.

You are aware he's getting fewer than half the carries he got before his year off right?? GEE GOLLY, if you do some simple math with me, you will get it, i promise.

If he's getting HALF the carries and getting 45 yards a game...

Let's see...

45 (yards per game) x 2(twice as many carries!) = 90(yards per game!).

HEY LOOK! He's back at his career average!
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
My wrong what?

Once he's paid his debt?? He's making the league minimum with no incentives this season. So YOU are wrong there.

He's 29, he doesnt have a lot of years left in the tank regardless of money.

Your arguement, if one can even call it that, is terribly flawed.
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Dude, know what you are talking about before you just keep spouting off. Yes, Ricky had to come back or he was going to have to owe the Dolphins a load. If it wasn't for that, he wouldn't be there right now. Heres the link, I don't want to hear anymore Ricky stuff, hes a pot head who got in trouble. He is a cancer, and it is you that is flawed.
http://www.insidesports.org/breaking/5/money-a-big-factor-in-rickys-return.html
 
uhcougar08 said:
Dude, know what you are talking about before you just keep spouting off. Yes, Ricky had to come back or he was going to have to owe the Dolphins a load. If it wasn't for that, he wouldn't be there right now. Heres the link, I don't want to hear anymore Ricky stuff, hes a pot head who got in trouble. He is a cancer, and it is you that is flawed.
http://www.insidesports.org/breaking/5/money-a-big-factor-in-rickys-return.html
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I'm pretty sure that I established he is a "quitter" in my first reply to you. Reading comprehension 101, come on. You are attempting to beat in the same thing, which I said earlier, doesn't make your argument stronger. In fact, it becomes repetitive and useless.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
That could be the worst arguement I've ever read. Awful, wow. I couldnt even continue reading afterwards.

You are aware he's getting fewer than half the carries he got before his year off right?? GEE GOLLY, if you do some simple math with me, you will get it, i promise.

If he's getting HALF the carries and getting 45 yards a game...

Let's see...

45 (yards per game) x 2(twice as many carries!) = 90(yards per game!).

HEY LOOK! He's back at his career average!
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Why is he only getting half the carries?

Hopefully you're smarter than what I'll give you credit for and I can assume you know where I'm going with this.
 
Huge said:
Why is he only getting half the carries?

Hopefully you're smarter than what I'll give you credit for and I can assume you know where I'm going with this.
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They drafted Ronnie Brown. What's your point? Now they have two players who can rush for 4 YPC consistently. What a bad spot eh?
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
They drafted Ronnie Brown. What's your point? Now they have two players who can rush for 4 YPC consistently. What a bad spot eh?
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Yeah, I figured I'd give you too much credit.

This is it in a nutshell...

Because of his decision to retire (read: "retire"...not "take a vacation"), he now carries the ball half the number of times before his retirement.

And you feel that his decision has not had an effect on his career? Holy cow.
 
eriadoc said:
I've actually compared him to Emmitt before as well, in terms of his running style and such, so I agree with that. With my earlier comparison, I was kind of speaking to how this team should really utilize him to his best effectiveness. He should be out there about 70% of the time, not 98% of the time. Westbrook has worked his way into a full-time role, but that is not how the team planned/plans in the future to use him. They've just had bad luck with Buckhalter.

Anyway, just saying, work in our other backs, at least until our offensive line is really a playoff-caliber line. Regardless, as I said before, RB is about the 10th position on offense we need to concern ourselves with.
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I like the Emmitt camparison and have also used it several times, and I agree with you that Davis should not be out there 98% of the plays and that we should bring in Wells and Morency more. Wells is a nice change of pace, big bruising RB although he doesn't run over people as much as I'd like to see, but the coaches still try to use him in the same plays as Davis, maybe even running him off tackle to the outside more than they do with Davis when they should run Wells inside more. Morency is the same type of back as Davis, a little more straight-line speed, a little less quickness and he still dances around a little too much. They should bring Morency in for 2-4 carries a game in the same plays you'd run with Davis, and give Wells 3-6 carries a game more on short yardage and inside runs.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
He's not complaining about playtime. He's not in Ronnie Brown's face. He's not going to the media with anything negative. He's not a distraction at all.
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This was your first post, and the reason why he is like this is because he has to be there. I just explained that, so your answer to your second question is NO, he wont be available because he will quit after he is done owing the Dolphins. Why are you still question the facts? Knock Out!!!
Ding! Ding! Ding!!! No more, your done.
 
Huge said:
Yeah, I figured I'd give you too much credit.

This is it in a nutshell...

Because of his decision to retire (read: "retire"...not "take a vacation"), he now carries the ball half the number of times before his retirement.

And you feel that his decision has not had an effect on his career? Holy cow.
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His career is professional football player. Is he not a professional football player now??? Am I seeing an illusion as I watch Dolphins games or what?
 
uhcougar08 said:
This was your first post, and the reason why he is like this is because he has to be there. I just explained that, so your answer to your second question is NO, he wont be available because he will quit after he is done owing the Dolphins. Why are you still question the facts? Knock Out!!!
Ding! Ding! Ding!!! No more, your done.
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nope he's reeling but still upright .... 38-37 ..... ding ding ... round 5
 
uhcougar08 said:
NO, he wont be available because he will quit after he is done owing the Dolphins. Why are you still question the facts?
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Facts? So he's already quit?? You live in the future?? I hope in the future, your logic grows with age because its terribly flawed as it is today.
 
I will say this, and I think we agree Blackbear, Dominick Davis is not that stellar and Ricky may produce better numbers than DD if he were on the Texans this season.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Facts? So he's already quit?? You live in the future?? I hope in the future, your logic grows with age because its terribly flawed as it is today.
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He quit once, and the only reason he is back is because he owes the Dolphins over $8 Mil, what dont you get about this?
 
uhcougar08 said:
He quit once, and the only reason he is back is because he owes the Dolphins over $8 Mil, what dont you get about this?
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Is he or is he not rushing for 4 YPC on a league minimum contract??? Thanks.
 
Huge said:
Yeah, I figured I'd give you too much credit.

This is it in a nutshell...

Because of his decision to retire (read: "retire"...not "take a vacation"), he now carries the ball half the number of times before his retirement.

And you feel that his decision has not had an effect on his career? Holy cow.
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You are being intentionally obtuse. If I was WildBlackBear32 I'd stop bothering to debate this point with you right there. You're intentionally ignoring anything that doesn't fit your belief or help your argument.

You know as well as he does that this point is not over Ricky Williams number of carries. It's over what he is capable of doing with those carries. So he's getting half of the carries he got before he retired. This has nothing to do with his ability to put up the same numbers he did prior to leaving, only his opportunity to do so.

Also the Dolphins are not running the wheels off of Ricky Williams because they wish to get something for him in return this coming off-season. An injury would hurt their chances of doing so.
 
Hervoyel said:
You are being intentionally obtuse. If I was WildBlackBear32 I'd stop bothering to debate this point with you right there. You're intentionally ignoring anything that doesn't fit your belief or help your argument.

You know as well as he does that this point is not over Ricky Williams number of carries. It's over what he is capable of doing with those carries. So he's getting half of the carries he got before he retired. This has nothing to do with his ability to put up the same numbers he did prior to leaving, only his opportunity to do so.

Also the Dolphins are not running the wheels off of Ricky Williams because they wish to get something for him in return this coming off-season. An injury would hurt their chances of doing so.
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Wrong, Herv.

"IMO", Wildbear is ignoring the point that Ricky made a decision that affected much more than his number of carries.

To most, it's pretty obvious why he left and why he came back. If you don't think that affects the trust of your teammates, I've got a bridge to sell you. Oh, but they've forgiven him because of his apology...yeah, you bet.

And they're not running his wheels off now because they have another option (Brown). Think Ricky would only be averaging just over 10 attempts per game now when he was averaging almost 23 a game before he left had he never left to begin with?

And unfortunately, it's not as simple as saying he can be productive. Terrell Owens was productive when he played. Do you honestly believe Ricky can be counted on more than him? What has he done since leaving college to make you believe so?

I don't hold anything against Ricky for leaving. In fact, I somewhat supported his decision to do so (look at Earl Campbell's condition now). I might've questioned some of his reasons (wanted to travel the world, smoke some weed and find inner peace) but I don't have a problem with players that hang 'em up early for the sake of whatever.

But count me out on wanting him to play for my team. There are other options that perform on his level that don't have those questions over their heads.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Is he or is he not rushing for 4 YPC on a league minimum contract??? Thanks.
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I know he is good, he has to be on league minimum because the NFL told him so. The original question in this post was "along with D'Brickashaw, would he help here?" You keep running around that question. He is a ******* quiter!!!!!!!!!! He is a loser!!!!!!!! He ran out on his team!!!
The only reason he is there is because he couldn't find $8 Million to give back to the Dolphins for breech of contract inside some cave in Never Never Land. Once he is done with them, he will be done with the NFL. This is my last post on this topic, obviously you just dont get it and never will. I bet you want TO on this team too.........:loser :deadhorse
 
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