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dat_boy_yec

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We only have 5 games left in the season. I honestly dont see the point in saying lets get as many wins as possible anymore. So I would like to know what everyone thinks we should do with the rest of the season. Personaly I think this is a good opportunity to evaluate the talent our team has. I think that all the players should be allowed to see the field and be evaluated in real games. This makes sense to me because this way we can see who is dead weight and who is worth keeping. For instance Banks and Ragone, are either of them worth keeping I dont know I havent seen them play, there are many Ragone and Banks supporters out there so now would be a good time to play them. Morrency and Wells, wells is a good running back, but my question mark is on morrency, he played decently when he played but I think this presents a good opportunity to see if Morrency has improved and can indeed be the Texans future back, IF he shows promise in these last games againts loosing teams then maybe we're ok at rb and can pass on Bush. However if he does not then the question of upgrading at rb can be addressed. Basically I think it would be wise to do this with every position. I think this would probably be a better time to shuffle players around like the line and whatnot and see what works and what doesnt. I think this should be done now because if its not at the end of the season there will still be question marks on where the improvement needs to be most and what will and wont work.
 
I think we should try to get as many wins as possible. I dont care which pick we get just get the best playmaker for our team whenever we draft. Ragone and Banks have not earned the right to play so they should not. Yes Morency, Mathis, Armstrong, and many of our Defensive players need to get some reps in order to evaluate the talent on this team. I think we need to bring in some prospects for GM or some consultants to evaluate the talent on this team in order to know specific holes that we can fill this offseason for our new coaching staff. The draft Bush camp is great, but we should never drop games on purpose. If we want to keep a team and stay as a viable center for football we need to put up wins. That gets you on the national stage. We win 4 games and we will still likely get a prime time game against the Cowgirls.
 
Many have been asking for this since last year. But this is Houston and change equals liberal, stay the course equals conservative. We will eat cake and be burnt to a crisp next opening home game. The roof will be open as a reminder that the citizens of Houston are privileged to have paid for a great stadium.

Had to get that one out, the wife just asked me to take out the garbage and I was not in a happy place.
 
I Agree personally.. maybe play the starters to the middle of the 3rd Quarter and then put in the back ups.. I know Banks is a good solid back QB.. we know Wells is a decent back.. we all know Armstrong and Mathis have potential.. so lets see who we should keep and who we shouldnt keep who knows we might even be able to get rid of Gaffney and Bradford and start Armstrong and Mathis in their places next season without a problem.

I like that guys Shantae Orr he seems to keep his head in the game and has a good motor to come after the QB with.. havent seen him much in coverage though but that's what this little evaluation period could do for us..
 
I never said we should throw games, I just meant we should change focus. The reason I mentioned Ragone and Banks was exactly what you said they dont deserve to play, but if Carr gets injured they will have to play, I would feel better if they got a shot now because we have a soft schedule. We give Carr some much deserved rest, and at the end of the season we can say Ragone or Banks your play was bad, dont expect a future with this team and maybe draft a new QB in the later rounds as a solid backup. We have 2 bad backup QBs i think we should get rid of the worst one. It would be nice to win a game or two but I think evaluating the team right now should be our main focus.
 
The Preacher said:
Try a 4-3 it couldn't be worse and see what happens. It won't happen though that would be like admitting we were struggling. :heh:
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We don't really have the right personnel to move to a 4-3 right now.
 
It is my opinion that the reason why we have not sat Carr is that he is on display for the whole league. I do not believe a decision has been made on re signing him. If there was one why would, as Carr lovers say, we be putting him at the risk of getting injured for these meaningless games?
 
He is on display for all everyone. We will likely resign him, but we want to get the most analysis of him as possible. It took the Browns 5 years to give up on Couch. Well I think that is what is happening with Carr. We will see if he can get the job done, we will see it next year though under a new coach and a better defense.
 
If you take the long-term perspective, and I do, winning any more games this year is clearly counter productive.
 
What they should do is start evaluating players for next year. Play some of the 2nd and 3rd stringers, and anyone on special teams who looks like that have the heart to play. This means also playing Ragone for a game to see how he does. That's not what Dom is going to do because he thinks he is fighting for his job. He will keep the starters in through the last game.
 
nunusguy said:
If you take the long-term perspective, and I do, winning any more games this year is clearly counter productive.
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How is winning ever counter productive. Come on man there are players to draft in every draft and quality players for that matter. There is no one player in this draft that will turn our team into winners so how would winning be counter productive. Nun I really want you to explain this in an extensive way so that I can understand.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
We only have 5 games left in the season. I honestly dont see the point in saying lets get as many wins as possible anymore. So I would like to know what everyone thinks we should do with the rest of the season. Personaly I think this is a good opportunity to evaluate the talent our team has. I think that all the players should be allowed to see the field and be evaluated in real games. This makes sense to me because this way we can see who is dead weight and who is worth keeping. For instance Banks and Ragone, are either of them worth keeping I dont know I havent seen them play, there are many Ragone and Banks supporters out there so now would be a good time to play them. Morrency and Wells, wells is a good running back, but my question mark is on morrency, he played decently when he played but I think this presents a good opportunity to see if Morrency has improved and can indeed be the Texans future back, IF he shows promise in these last games againts loosing teams then maybe we're ok at rb and can pass on Bush. However if he does not then the question of upgrading at rb can be addressed. Basically I think it would be wise to do this with every position. I think this would probably be a better time to shuffle players around like the line and whatnot and see what works and what doesnt. I think this should be done now because if its not at the end of the season there will still be question marks on where the improvement needs to be most and what will and wont work.
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Pass up on Bush Hahahahahaa What u smoking? Morency will be a career backup and so will Double D once we get Bush
 
Stick with the 3-4... give mathis, armstrong some extended reps. the thing is we dont really have any talent worth developing. who on our team is gonna benefit from playing time that isn't getting it? other than Mathis or maybe morrency who will take from Davis there is nothing. and Carr needs to keep playing to keep any value he has(as a trade commodity or staying here)
 
John Lopez had similar thoughts on what we should do the remaining part of the season.

Lopez's thoughts

.....Play running back Jonathan Wells more. Let's see what receiver Derick Armstrong does opposite Andre Johnson for a full game. Give speedy return man Jerome Mathis more chances to sprint downfield as a receiver and allow Carr to air it out.

Find out if Seth Wand is just a bad tackle or a bad player. Give tight end Marcellus Rivers at least three or four series. And for gosh shakes, change up the linebacking rotation.

Either blitz more often with the speed guys in whom the defensive coaches have put so much faith or get Charlie Anderson and maybe Troy Evans more snaps. They certainly can't tackle any worse.

If McNair is going to turn this thing around next year, he must start now. If his inkling is to keep Casserly, he should say so immediately and give the GM the freedom to start working on 2006 by evaluating current young talent in live action.

Get these guys on the field so you'll have a better idea of the players you don't want on it next year.

If nothing else, the Texans need to keep watching Pitts and find out more about Wells, who continues to show he's matured as a player. They also need to find out more about Armstrong, Mathis and perhaps Vernand Morency.

If Pitts plays well over the remainder of the season, he could make drafting Reggie Bush a simple choice if the Texans have the top pick and the Southern Cal junior puts himself in the pool. Sure, Domanick Davis might tell you he's a 25-carry, 1,500-yards-a-year back, but no one else in the league would.

With a serviceable left tackle - a good start toward rebuilding the offensive line with other draft picks or signings in the offseason - Bush could be everything the Texans have needed since their inception.

Besides providing marquee value for a team in desperate need of an injection of excitement, Bush could be a game-breaker who shares time with the more physical Wells. He also could be a receiver opposite Johnson and a multiple threat out of the slot with Mathis and Johnson also on the field.....
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jerek said:
This kind of talk is the result of too many fantasy leagues and too much time behind the stick of the latest version of Madden football. Now that everyone and their mother can stake a claim to "successful" football management within their own personal arenas, we actually get to read of the opinions that a professional sports team should, as I am reading it, deliberately tank the rest of its season.

We should go ahead and lose? For what? To ensure a high draft pick? To get someone fired?

You are talking about a team full of real people, professional athletes. This is not a video game, and you do not take the "long-term perspective" of the goal of winning by telling your team full of real players or coaching staff to deliberately lose. If I'm Reggie Bush or any of these other much-touted, one-man saviours of the Texans that I keep reading about, why in the hell would I want to come play for a team that deliberately loses games, just so they could have the privilege of drafting me? Good idea: destroy whatever morale and competitive edge we have left and see if the new guy can single-handedly reverse it all. Long-term my ***, that is as short-sighted as it gets.

To some of the players, sure, the game is a fat paycheck and maybe not a whole lot more. To many of them, the game is their life: the thing they have enjoyed doing and succeeding at since childhood. Winning at the game, is their life. Since we are not going to cut or trade the entirety of our 50+ man roster, it would behoove all of those players that will be here next year to end this otherwise disappointing season on as positive a note as possible. It would further benefit them all to attempt to instill a winner's attitude, however you can do it with what is left, rather than allowing for them to just f*c* around and say, screw it, do whatever. The six or seven people we will draft next year will not somehow come on the field in the midst of that kind of management or attitude and suddenly turn things around.

It is complete idiocy to insist that we should not continue to fight for every point and every W we can get. If you were an athlete, or for that matter, some kind of winner in the game of life, at whatever it is you do, you would know that. This isn't Madden football, and drafting high does not equate to wins. I can't believe I am even reading that it does.
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What are the benefits of winning now?

The playoffs are done.

The Morale is already as low as it can be.

Players dont trust the coaches. Players don't trust each other. Players don't trust themselves.

Whats the point?? Fans want championships. Owners want championships. Everybody does. A 1-15 season wont get you a championship, neither will a 6-10 season.

By going in the tank, you ensure yourself the biggest and best rebuilding chip in the league. You get another "face of the franchise" who instantly gives your team more hope. A player who puts more butts in seats. If you choose to move down, you pick up more picks or players who can come in and make a difference.

This just in, there are A LOT of holes on this team. Winning now and moving down in the rebuilding process will NOT help this team one bit.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
What are the benefits of winning now?
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What are the benefits of being a fan of the draft more than the fan of the team? What happens next year if we can't turn it around in one year? Look forward to the 2007 draft? The next thing you know you are pulling for your team to lose for two years straight. That's just so weak.
 
Vinny said:
What are the benefits of being a fan of the draft more than the fan of the team? What happens next year if we can't turn it around in one year? Look forward to the 2007 draft? The next thing you know you are pulling for your team to lose for two years straight. That's just so weak.
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What does a 6-10 season get you??? Respect??? This team isnt getting any respect anytime soon.They just blew a 21 point lead furchrissakes. Running the table gets you wins against...get ready for it....a 3-8 team, 3-8, 3-8, 8-3, 2-9. Now you are 6-10 by beating 6 teams who will probably combine for 80 losses.
 
I would like to ask future posters to please refrain from the winning is counterproductive or vice versa arguments. If you belief that the Texans should play the starters the remainder of the season and fight for every game simply state that and give your reasoning. No team ever plays to loose regardless of our beliefs so please dont assume that that is whats meant on this thread. Ive enjoyed some of the ideas and opinions posted on this thread such as the 4-3 idea and player commentaries where the focus is not on bashing the players but looking at the possibilities. Thank you all for posting and reading this thread, its my first thread and I appreciate the feedback.
GO TEXANS:texflag:
 
jerek said:
You talk of championships as if drafting first this year will put us in the Super Bowl next year. No Super Bowl team went from league basement to the penthouse in just one year's offseason.QUOTE]

The Rams went from 4-12 in 98 to 13-3 and Super Bowl Champs in 99.
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WildBlackBear32 said:
What does a 6-10 season get you??? Respect??? This team isnt getting any respect anytime soon.They just blew a 21 point lead furchrissakes. Running the table gets you wins against...get ready for it....a 3-8 team, 3-8, 3-8, 8-3, 2-9. Now you are 6-10 by beating 6 teams who will probably combine for 80 losses.
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It beats cheering for your team to play poorly like a bunch of losers. Do this a few years in a row and see how fun that is. Draft slots don't make teams winners. This is too much of a team sport. If it did then all the teams with high draft choices would be winners.
 
Vinny said:
It beats cheering for your team to play poorly like a bunch of losers. Do this a few years in a row and see how fun that is. Draft slots don't make teams winners. This is too much of a team sport. If it did then all the teams with high draft choices would be winners.
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I'm also a Lions fan, I know all about cheering on losers.

This is the NFL. The draft is the most crucial part of the rebuilding process. This isnt MLB or the NHL where you are drafting players for 5 years down the road. The better the players you can get in the draft, the better you will be immediatly.

Look at recent turnarounds, shall we?

The Bengals were a 2-14, landed the #1 pick and cleaned house. Brought in a new coach, the next season?? 8-8 and its only been uphill since.

Colts tank it for a 3-13 season, get Manning, suffer one more season then become 13-3.

Carolina goes 1-15, lands their face of the franchise, a new coach and the next season?? 7-9.


Turnarounds in the NFL are usually very fast. Then the cap comes and you have to make sacrifices, its a fun cycle to watch.
 
I know what league this is and I have followed it for 3 decades thankyouverymuch. I'm not going to be a loser and hope my team sucks for a draft slot though.
 
That's it?? You can't dispute my facts?? What does winning now do? I really want to know. I'm not saying we throw the games, never once did I say that. However, what is the benefit of going balls to the walls now??

As you said, you've been watching for three decades. What is the point of playing?? To win championships. Not to win games(sorry Herm Edwards). To win championships. Can the Texans win a championship this year? No. Can they win games? Sure. They can't even win respect back even if they run the table. Beating 6 teams who could lose 80 games isnt something to write home about.
 
I can cherry pick the same 'facts' about teams later in the draft getting better players than the teams in front of them too...but my bottom line is I pull for my team to win every week and think that it is a loser's mentality to pull for your team to suck. Next thing you know they aren't much better the next year and you end up doing this every year and what the heck good is that? There are good players all over the draft...the key is finding them and playing to win.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
If you belief that the Texans should play the starters the remainder of the season and fight for every game simply state that and give your reasoning.
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I don't assume that the "starters" have any better chance to win a game than our bench players. In fact, our current line-up has proven that they can't win games with any regularity.

I think we should fight to win every game while giving a number of bench players significant playing time. I mean a series of 2-3 complete games. They can't do much worse then the guys ahead of them, and there is ample room for them to do better.
 
Vinny said:
I can cherry pick the same 'facts' about teams later in the draft getting better players than the teams in front of them too...but my bottom line is I pull for my team to win every week and think that it is a loser's mentality to pull for your team to suck. Next thing you know they aren't much better the next year and you end up doing this every year and what the heck good is that? There are good players all over the draft...the key is finding them and playing to win.
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I'll reiterate myself again, I am NOT saying I want this team to lose games. I enter every Sunday with a Whoooo! Let's go Texans mentality sporting my Carr/AJ jersey as I woowoo the games. I just want a serious reason why winning now will do something. I want to know what there is left to play for. The one and only goal of the season is a failure, what's left?
 
The Preacher said:
Try a 4-3 it couldn't be worse and see what happens. It won't happen though that would be like admitting we were struggling. :heh:
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vv I agree with the 4 - 3, and you're right "it couldn't be worse." Then move Jason Babin to DE.:shocked
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
I just want a serious reason why winning now will do something. I want to know what there is left to play for.
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A serious reason, if you choose to hear it, is that the majority of the players on the roster will be here next year. We do not need to more firmly entrench a loser mentality any deeper than this year already has.

Look at the LA Clippers in basketball; they have lost year after year, given up mid-season year after year, and they get no better no matter how many very high draft picks they get. In basketball one or two draft picks make an even bigger difference than in football.

You try because you should never accept losing.
 
All I know is yesterday was the most fun I've had watching the Texans play all year and that's because we were winning for virtually the entire game. We had only held a lead for 24:58 coming into the game but we came out swinging for the fences and it was fun.

I don't think sweeping the remaining losers on our schedule is going to save this coaching staff, which is the only thing I'm afraid of about winning more games this year. Our draft position is going to be sufficiently high to get an impact player if our new GM doesn't whiff it. I just hope a new GM can do more with our 2nd and 3rd rounders of which we only have one playing/starting for us now. If Ragone was worth a 3rd round selection, I'd like to see him get some playing time at least when the game is out of hand or preferably with the starters. I'd like to see us waive Weary and realize that sometimes players you see in college and the combine just aren't good in the NFL. We could've kept someone like Sloan Thomas or Reggie Swinton with that waste of roster space. I'd like to see some real 4-man fronts with Babin and Peek lining up in 3 point stances to see if they could play DE for real in the NFL. This team is in need of a lot of changes everywhere, I'd like to see us start looking at our future now. Move Coleman back to RCB where he excelled in his last year there for us and play Simmons or Brown at FS. Leave Earl at SS because I really believe he can play the position he just needs more reps.

Let's get 2006 started now as much as we can and NO that doesn't mean tanking any games. It means seeing our younger guys play and being more creative in our thinking. I don't know that Capers will do any of this because to him it might mean a greater chance of a loss which will only seal his fate even more. I think if a 7th round QB from Harvard can put up 300 yards passing in his first NFL season 3/4's of a game and a 'W', playing younger guys doesn't mean you're playing to lose.
 
Runner said:
A serious reason, if you choose to hear it, is that the majority of the players on the roster will be here next year. We do not need to more firmly entrench a loser mentality any deeper than this year already has.

Look at the LA Clippers in basketball; they have lost year after year, given up mid-season year after year, and they get no better no matter how many very high draft picks they get. In basketball one or two draft picks make an even bigger difference than in football.

You try because you should never accept losing.
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Surely, I would love to believe that a majority of the players, especially the important ones, will be around next year. This year has shown thats not a certainty though. Have we forgotten that a couple very good and important leaders on this team were let go for next to no reason?? I don't want to hear anything about the cap or their age either. If the cap were an issue, we wouldnt have overpaid for Greenwood. We wouldnt have overpaid for DD(After taking another RB with a day one pick...when we already had good depth at RB...). If age were the issue, Glenn wouldnt be outperforming PBuc even when he is used less.

I don't exactly get the basketball comparison as there is a soft cap in that league which allows great players on bad teams to leave and get the sky on their next deal. BTW, the Clips are in first place. Whoo whoo!
 
to be honest with you guys its a bit diffrent for me...

in some strange way i start every game thrilled when we do something right and i'm animated when we do bad things...im not activley rooting against us....im cheering us on. BUT, week in and week out these players find a way to screw it up. somewhere in the 2nd half when we're down by multiple scores i start thinking "well, at least we'll get that #1 pick overall."

its kind of a thought i hold on to in order to find comfort in this miserable season. and somewhere in that 2nd half, week in and week out, im so disgusted by the performance of the coaches and some players that i think we are better off this way. losing incites change...and we no doubt need change. i'd rather get all of the miserable performances out of the way in 1 lost season so our future talent evaluaters have no doubt on what to do. why prolong our misery into multiple seasons? as a benifitt to this depressing season we get that high pick:

-i'm looking forward to the excitement of our draft. i am NOT looking forward to the next 5 games and the agony they bring.

-i do root for our players...its just that somewhere around week 5 i stopped rooting for this coaching staff. if winning means we retain this staff then we SHOULD lose.

i guess i've tried to find a way to rationalize losing into a win/win situation. if we win ,well, we win. if we lose we're one step closer to a new staff and better opurtunities in the draft.
 
powda said:
to be honest with you guys its a bit diffrent for me...

in some strange way i start every game thrilled when we do something right and i'm animated when we do bad things...im not activley rooting against us....im cheering us on. BUT, week in and week out these players find a way to screw it up. somewhere in the 2nd half when we're down by multiple scores i start thinking "well, at least we'll get that #1 pick overall."

its kind of a thought i hold on to in order to find comfort in this miserable season. and somewhere in that 2nd half, week in and week out, im so disgusted by the performance of the coaches and some players that i think we are better off this way. losing incites change...and we no doubt need change. i'd rather get all of the miserable performances out of the way in 1 lost season so our future talent evaluaters have no doubt on what to do. why prolong our misery into multiple seasons? as a benifitt to this depressing season we get that high pick:

-i'm looking forward to the excitement of our draft. i am NOT looking forward to the next 5 games and the agony they bring.

-i do root for our players...its just that somewhere around week 5 i stopped rooting for this coaching staff. if winning means we retain this staff then we SHOULD lose.

i guess i've tried to find a way to rationalize losing into a win/win situation. if we win ,well, we win. if we lose we're one step closer to a new staff and better opurtunities in the draft.
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Ding ding ding! +rep to this guy.
 
I will not profess to be a football genius, i am just a fan. I will say that the first half of the rams game was the most fun i'd had being a texans fan in quite some time. In our 4 years, we have never really had a blow out win, and i felt like we were going there until it fell apart in the 2nd half. Some of you are asking, why win? what good does it do? So here are a few things i think can be accomplished by winning these last 5 games.

1) perhaps our team would stop being slandered in the national media as a joke, and could put some pride back in our organization.

2) Keep some of our players that we have now in houston convinced that this can be a winning environment, so they dont depart via free agency

3) keep fans in the stadium so we dont have something bad happen to us, like our franchise moving to another city.

4) for all of you draft afficionados, the higher your pick is, the HIGHER the salary of that player is. The less money we have to spend on our first round draft pick, the more money we have to go out and acquire other talent.

5) Because its FUN to have your favorite team win
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Surely, I would love to believe that a majority of the players, especially the important ones, will be around next year. This year has shown thats not a certainty though. Have we forgotten that a couple very good and important leaders on this team were let go for next to no reason?? I don't want to hear anything about the cap or their age either. If the cap were an issue, we wouldnt have overpaid for Greenwood. We wouldnt have overpaid for DD(After taking another RB with a day one pick...when we already had good depth at RB...). If age were the issue, Glenn wouldnt be outperforming PBuc even when he is used less.

I don't exactly get the basketball comparison as there is a soft cap in that league which allows great players on bad teams to leave and get the sky on their next deal. BTW, the Clips are in first place. Whoo whoo!
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The majority of the players will be back - they can't replace half the team. Whether specific players are back is another story.

The basketball comparison can be used to illustrate a point more clearly than any football team I could come up with off the top of my head. It is an illustration, not an exact duplicate. (Check the Clips at the end of the year - and if they maintain it only took them around 20 years to get there).
 
Call me crazy, but I think we can beat the Jags this time around - Leftwich injury. Hopefully they open up the offense like they did yesterday and defense can get more pressure on the QB and not fall apart in the 2nd half.

Maybe we pull out 3 wins: Arizona, Jacksonville, San Francisco. What the heck, Tennessee to make it 4.
 
swtbound07 said:
5) Because its FUN to have your favorite team win
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I agree, man. I'm no genius either. I do know what a good draft selection can do for a team, and despite how nice an early draft pick would be I'd rather have our team win. I have pride in our team and our city, and I'd rather see that upheld than to lose it all for a nice pick. No matter what it means for our draft prospects next year I'm hoping to pull out a 5-11 record.
 
jerek said:
If common sense won't reveal this argument for the fallacy it is, let's look at history instead. What winning team in the history of professional sports has ever willingly flushed the remaining third of their season to ensure high draft choice?
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The San Antonio Spurs.
 
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