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When was the last time Gary Kubiak.....

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Tried a trick play?

A fake field goal?

A fake punt?

An onside kick (not when your behind and trying to catch up)?

A trick return on kick return?

When people say Kubiak is not conservative all those questions run through my head.

When was the last time Gary did something ballsy?

For all the flak Rex Ryan gets people have forgotten how great a coach he is. He had a lot of injuries yet i see him make great coaching calls, ballsy moves. Look at Jim Harbaugh switching over from alex smith to kapernick.

BALLS.

Ditto belicheck. Sean Payton onside kick to start the half at the superbowl. Ditto John Harbaugh with the fake field goal even though it didnt work. Even something like using a great wide out as a defensive back on end of game hail mary plays the way randy moss was used or julio jones this year.

BALLS.

What do we have? A coach whose afraid to look at crucial field goal kicks.

NO BALLS.

Can you ever envision Kubiak making those gutsy calls? Yea, me neither.

High risk, High reward. No guts, No glory.
 
I don't think you get it! gary Kubiak is an offensive Guru. Once you reach that level you don't have to resort to cheap trickery. You just install your vanilla offense and keep pounding the opposition. Sooner or later they come to the realization they are facing a Genious/Guru and they roll over and give up. I mean why fight against the obviously superior mind?
So don't you come here and say anything bad against the smartest guy in the room, because sooner or later he will show all you doubters. He will win the superbowl, even if it takes him 100 years. And then all you people who were small minded enough to doubt him will see how wrong you were!
 
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the whole "he doesn't look at field goals" is an overrated excuse to bash Gary IMO. He doesn't look at them if we are down by two or up by twenty. Doesn't really matter.

I figure it is a superstition with him.


If I recall, I believe I have seen Texan players do it too.


As far as a fake punt.I thought we did one this year and it didn't work. I could be wrong.

As far as trick kick returns. Hell They we're so bad, we need to stick to the basics

A trick play. Last one I remember was Chris Brown throwing an int

And Kubiak got bashed hard on this board about it.
 
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Yes Kubiak is a conservative coach. What's your point?

And your post lost alot of credibility when you brought up Rex Ryan.
 
Playcalling style aside, i don't think kubiak is good enough at pressing the right buttons at the right time with the team.

Hopefully he's learning after all these years on the job.
 
Gary could benefit from a little creativity and risk taking, but when you have a philosophy behind your scheme, you roll with it 100%, and everyone has to be on board. You don't mash ideas and adulterate your philosophy unnecessarily. That simply undermines the philosophy and prevents its optimization.

It makes me think of when Favre played on the Jets. He goes out and gunslings downfield bombs that get intercepted, and lipreaders spot Mangini saying, "That's not what we do here."

Trickeration and aggressive risks are not part of the philosophy. Love it or hate it, it's not what we do here.
 
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Last time? Half back pass that went horribly wrong - I believe it was Chris Brown

Field goals that Kubiak doesn't watch? Could it be Kris Brown?? Or more than likely he knows the approximater % of that kick and he is A) thinking about what stalled during that drive and B) thinking about the next drive.

Much ado about nothing.
 
Texan_Bill said:
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Last time? Half back pass that went horribly wrong - I believe it was Chris Brown

Field goals that Kubiak doesn't watch? Could it be Kris Brown?? Or more than likely he knows the approximater % of that kick and he is A) thinking about what stalled during that drive and B) thinking about the next drive.

Much ado about nothing.
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AGGGGHHHHHHHH the Browns, thanks for the memories.

Gary is stubborn and ultra conservative, an Aggie trademark.

It's why I doubt the Texans will ever win a SB under his watch. I hope I'm wrong. Back when Gary was hired would fans have been on board with his hiring if they would've known that the team would be in the position it's in today?

I think 75% would be, BoB is counting on that.
 
steelbtexan said:
AGGGGHHHHHHHH the Browns, thanks for the memories.

Gary is stubborn and ultra conservative, an Aggie trademark.

It's why I doubt the Texans will ever win a SB under his watch. I hope I'm wrong. Back when Gary was hired would fans have been on board with his hiring if they would've known that the team would be in the position it's in today?

I think 75% would be, BoB is counting on that.
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If you would have said

12-4 season
2 time defending division champion
a top 5 RB
top 5 WR
an Under 25 year old defensive player of the year
a top 10 defense in points allowed

knowing nothing else, it would have been silly not to take that seven seasons ago. The perception would that you were one of the best teams in the league and Superbowl contender.

.......

Now the weak finish, QB who has seemingly topped out, and team with multiple clear holes thing makes a big difference, but we all know that and have over discussed the bad parts of where the Texans are at.
 
steelbtexan said:
AGGGGHHHHHHHH the Browns, thanks for the memories.

Gary is stubborn and ultra conservative, an Aggie trademark.

It's why I doubt the Texans will ever win a SB under his watch. I hope I'm wrong. Back when Gary was hired would fans have been on board with his hiring if they would've known that the team would be in the position it's in today?

I think 75% would be, BoB is counting on that.
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That's what I live for, bringing up the "Browns" ;), that said I'm an Aggie and I'm very stubborn.

You will be wrong! That said, if your are wrong, as a Texans fan, you will be happy to be wrong, no?? :D
 
ThaShark316 said:
Spare me.

He's still taking heat for that RB pass in Jacksonville.
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Young Shanahan called that play & Kubiak ok'd it according to his defense of it. Maybe not the best play call w/ the pitiful joke for a RB we had in Chris Brown, but it was creative & something that this offense has lost under the vanilla combo of Dennison & Kubiak. I think the play had more potential had a better RB been available. Just my thoughts...
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If you would have said

12-4 season
2 time defending division champion
a top 5 RB
top 5 WR
an Under 25 year old defensive player of the year
a top 10 defense in points allowed

knowing nothing else, it would have been silly not to take that seven seasons ago. The perception would that you were one of the best teams in the league and Superbowl contender.

.......

Now the weak finish, QB who has seemingly topped out, and team with multiple clear holes thing makes a big difference, but we all know that and have over discussed the bad parts of where the Texans are at.
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No one can complain about where Kubiak has brought this team. When the players execute according to the system, the Texans win. What Kubiak and staff need to work on is getting consistency out of the players.
 
Here is the most useless post of the off-season.

Two things are not going to change this off-season - Kubiak & Schaub. All this chatter about them regardless of merits is completely wasted keyboard masturbation. Now continue your normally scheduled stroking.
 
Brisco_County said:
No one can complain about where Kubiak has brought this team. When the players execute according to the system, the Texans win. What Kubiak and staff need to work on is getting consistency out of the players.
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The players could be playing consistent & w/ all the effort in the world, but if the game plan is flawed & failing then that is on the coaches. It was obvious that the coaching took a step back towards the end of the season & in the playoffs considering they failed miserably against NE, Indy, & the Vikings & had issues w/ the jags & lions. They were just as much outcoached as they were outplayed & the blame for the poor showings hardly lies solely w/ the players imo. Kubiak & his coaches need to execute & adjust to ensure success as well.
 
I give all the credit to Bob McNair. 10 years ago he had a franchise that couldn't win. 5 years ago he had a team that wasn't competitive in its division. 2 years ago he had a team that couldn't get in the play offs.

Now, he's got a team that can't win a Super Bowl.
 
thunderkyss said:
I give all the credit to Bob McNair. 10 years ago he had a franchise that couldn't win. 5 years ago he had a team that wasn't competitive in its division. 2 years ago he had a team that couldn't get in the play offs.

Now, he's got a team that can't win a Super Bowl.
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Next it'll be, he's got a team that can't win 2 Super Bowls in a row! And I bet there will still be people on this MB wanting to fire Kubes, Smith, Schaub, McNair etc...! :shades:
 
thunderkyss said:
i give all the credit to bob mcnair. 10 years ago he had a franchise that couldn't win. 5 years ago he had a team that wasn't competitive in its division. 2 years ago he had a team that couldn't get in the play offs.

Now, he's got a team that can't win a super bowl.
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baby steps!!!
 
thunderkyss said:
I give all the credit to Bob McNair. 10 years ago he had a franchise that couldn't win. 5 years ago he had a team that wasn't competitive in its division. 2 years ago he had a team that couldn't get in the play offs.

Now, he's got a team that can't win a Super Bowl.
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Actually they haven't gotten out of the Divisional round much less sniffed a Super Bowl. Once again, just making the playoffs & winning a couple of Wild Card games is earth shattering in Houston. While others outside of Houston believe that this another example of a talented Texans team that is underachieving. That's ok because we are better then the Casserly/ Capers years! That's all matters! No need to raise the bar, we win Wild Card games which is better then 10 yrs ago! :hurrah: Glorified baby steps is all we need.:kitten:
 
tru80texan said:
They actually duplicated last years accomplishments, BUT added 2 more regular season wins! That's enough for some to claim "progress". :toropalm:
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Every fan wants to take a giant step forward. In our case, that would have been nothing short of a Super Bowl Championship. We all want that obviously.

But at the same time, lets not call it a big failure and we need to restructure our team if we don't take that big step.

Last season, we took a step in the right direction. Yes, it was a very tiny, baby step. But it was in the right direction. Alot of teams are going in the wrong direction, so this is an accomplishment to be proud of.
 
dream_team said:
Every fan wants to take a giant step forward. In our case, that would have been nothing short of a Super Bowl Championship. We all want that obviously.

But at the same time, lets not call it a big failure and we need to restructure our team if we don't take that big step.

Last season, we took a step in the right direction. Yes, it was a very tiny, baby step. But it was in the right direction. Alot of teams are going in the wrong direction, so this is an accomplishment to be proud of.
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I guess that is where we differ. I don't compare us to the lesser teams & gain gratification for not being them. I compare us to the better teams & wonder why we aren't them. That's why I ask at what point do we raise the bar & expect more as opposed to always being satisfied w/ it not being worse? I wouldn't expect or want more if the team wasnt capable. Obviously others agree or this team wouldnt be deemed underachievers by so many outside of Houston.
 
tru80texan said:
I guess that is where we differ. I don't compare us to the lesser teams & gain gratification for not being them. I compare us to the better teams & wonder why we aren't them. That's why I ask at what point do we raise the bar & expect more as opposed to always being satisfied w/ it not being worse? I wouldn't expect or want more if the team wasnt capable. Obviously others agree or this team wouldnt be deemed underachievers by so many outside of Houston.
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Well I have always been a half-glass full kind of guy. I guess that's what it comes down to.

I do think we are one of the better teams in the league. Why do you think we are not? We were a serious superbowl contender this season, and we'll be one again next season.
 
tru80texan said:
I guess that is where we differ. I don't compare us to the lesser teams & gain gratification for not being them. I compare us to the better teams & wonder why we aren't them. That's why I ask at what point do we raise the bar & expect more as opposed to always being satisfied w/ it not being worse? I wouldn't expect or want more if the team wasnt capable. Obviously others agree or this team wouldnt be deemed underachievers by so many outside of Houston.
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First time they've really been called such though as a contender, no? They were everyone's pick damn near before MNF in Foxboro.

No need to ask "when do we raise the bar?" It's been raised. You hear the comments, etc.
 
ThaShark316 said:
First time they've really been called such though as a contender, no? They were everyone's pick damn near before MNF in Foxboro.

No need to ask "when do we raise the bar?" It's been raised. You hear the comments, etc.
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I would say the GB game casted some doubt amongst some & then NE completely exposed them. The tough matchups against the lesser jags & lions didn't help the case either. After the late season meltdown I can't recall anyone outside of fans that picked or believed the Texans were Super Bowl contenders. In fact, quite a few began to refer to them as not as advertised & frauds because they believed the 12-4 was hardly indicative of good of a team the Texans actually were or were not.

I'm not sure the bar has been raised that high when we claim success & progress for a season that basically resulted in nothing more then 2 additional regular season wins. If that's raising the bar, then the bar wasn't that high to begin with imo. I guess if some how they manage 13 wins, but once again fail to get out of the Divisional round then once again they technically progressed & we should rejoice.
 
So, say we collectively "raise the bar and expect greater things" from this franchise.

What happens when they do not fulfill our expectations? What is the next course of action for a fan base with unfulfilled high expectations?

It's not us that needs to raise the bar. It's those people employed on Kirby that need to raise the bar and expect greater things from themselves.

Passive bystanders are ultimately powerless to change anything within the organization. Some folks can say "we" until we are all deep steel blue in the face, but the truth is that none of us are part of the "we" that can make any sort of difference.

I'm not a "we man". My only expectation is to be entertained. I do not live vicariously through this sports team. "We" did not lose. They lost and the rest of us watched, to paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld.

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steelbtexan said:
What baby steps did the Texans take this yr?
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They made it to the playoffs and won a playoff game two years in a row.

That's not a whole lot really. Been there done that many times with the Oilers. But it's better than what the Texans once were. And now that they aren't the little boy newbie franchise anymore, I want more from them than what I'm getting.

What they are giving me now I've already had once.
 
tru80texan said:
I would say the GB game casted some doubt amongst some & then NE completely exposed them. The tough matchups against the lesser jags & lions didn't help the case either. After the late season meltdown I can't recall anyone outside of fans that picked or believed the Texans were Super Bowl contenders. In fact, quite a few began to refer to them as not as advertised & frauds because they believed the 12-4 was hardly indicative of good of a team the Texans actually were or were not.

I'm not sure the bar has been raised that high when we claim success & progress for a season that basically resulted in nothing more then 2 additional regular season wins. If that's raising the bar, then the bar wasn't that high to begin with imo. I guess if some how they manage 13 wins, but once again fail to get out of the Divisional round then once again they technically progressed & we should rejoice.
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People were skeptical slightly post-GB, and IMO, that ended after CHI. And I said people liked the Texans pre-MNF @ NE. Never mentioned anything post-December 10.

Not many at ALL are willing to accept a Div. round ceiling as of right now. A TON of folks weren't pleased with just beating Cincy last month. A few optimistic folks are claiming success doesn't = WE. Texans had a good season, but it wasn't a MASSIVE success when you look at what happened at the end.
 
Going into this year, five teams have won the Super Bowl during Kubiak's tenure, when he took over a 2-14 team.

This season the Texans went 12-4 while three of those Super Bowl winners didn't even make the playoffs.

The two remaining teams didn't make it out of the Divisional round.

So not only did they not get back to the Super Bowl, they didn't even make it to their Conference championship.

What's the point? Outside of a few dynasties in the last 40 years (Steelers, Niners, Cowboys, Patriots) it is a struggle for teams to consistently stay at the top.

There is nothing wrong with fans having expectations of their team winning a Super Bowl. And I think it was a fairly reasonable expectation of this team starting the season. And I think it is fairly reasonable to be disapponted in how the season ended. We're fans. We are emotionally invested in our teams.

But Jesus Jumping Christ, some of you act like this season was the biggest failure in the history of sports franchises.

This team has ONE season with 12 wins. Indy went SEVEN straight seasons with 12+ wins and got one Super Bowl out of it. I'm pretty sure some of you would have demanded that Peyton get dumped after the second season.
 
sandman said:
But Jesus Jumping Christ, some of you act like this season was the biggest failure in the history of sports franchises.
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He floated, he didn't jump.

In any case, this season wasn't a failure. When you win your division, it's never a failure. Expecting more than just another divisional baseball cap is not unreasonable though.
 
tru80texan said:
I'm not sure the bar has been raised that high when we claim success & progress....
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I think you're putting words in people's mouths. No one is celebrating. We didn't have a parade.

I'm wearing an AFC South Championship shirt today, 2012. Yesterday I wore an AFC South Championship shirt, 2011.

I enjoyed every game I attended.... well, not that GB game. But I had fun getting ready for the game, the whole freak'n week leading up to the game.

I'm disappointed we didn't win the Super Bowl I believe we all are.
 
tru80texan said:
I guess that is where we differ. I don't compare us to the lesser teams & gain gratification for not being them. I compare us to the better teams & wonder why we aren't them. That's why I ask at what point do we raise the bar & expect more as opposed to always being satisfied w/ it not being worse? I wouldn't expect or want more if the team wasnt capable. Obviously others agree or this team wouldnt be deemed underachievers by so many outside of Houston.
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I compare them to the Green Bay Packers. The Packers lost in the Divisional round.

I compare them to the Broncos. The Broncos lost in the Divisional round.

I compare them to the Seahawks. The Seahawks lost in the Divisional round.

The bar is raised, it's at least a Super Bowl appearance. It used to be winning 3 games in a row.
 
The Texans were one of the healthiest teams in football, possessed an abundance of pro-bowlers, playing in the weakest division in the NFL. And YET we found a way to crashed and burned down the stretch. How is ANYBODY viewing this season as any kind of success?

The Ravens and Patriots are a very beatable teams. We matched them on talents and more across the boards(except for QB). If there was a time to make a statement to the rest of the NFL it was this SEASON!

The 2012 Houston Texans couldn't be in a more favorable environment to advance deep in the playoffs. Sorry folks, but under this coaching staff And Schaub as our QB this will always be a one-playoff-win-and-done team at best.
 
klockWork said:
The 2012 Houston Texans couldn't be in a more favorable environment to advance deep in the playoffs. Sorry folks, but under this coaching staff And Schaub as our QB this will always be a one-playoff-win-and-done team at best.
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I bet people said the same thing about Dungy & the Colts for a little while.

They said worse about the Falcons as this is the first time Mike Smith & Matt Ryan won a play off game.

When was the last time Marvin Lewis won a play off game? His team was healthier than ours, his QB is younger, more mobile & his franchise receiver is younger than ours as well.
 
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Actually they haven't gotten out of the Divisional round much less sniffed a Super Bowl. Once again, just making the playoffs & winning a couple of Wild Card games is earth shattering in Houston. While others outside of Houston believe that this another example of a talented Texans team that is underachieving. That's ok because we are better then the Casserly/ Capers years! That's all matters! No need to raise the bar, we win Wild Card games which is better then 10 yrs ago! :hurrah: Glorified baby steps is all we need.:kitten:
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tru80texan said:
I guess that is where we differ. I don't compare us to the lesser teams & gain gratification for not being them. I compare us to the better teams & wonder why we aren't them. That's why I ask at what point do we raise the bar & expect more as opposed to always being satisfied w/ it not being worse? I wouldn't expect or want more if the team wasnt capable. Obviously others agree or this team wouldnt be deemed underachievers by so many outside of Houston.
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We got to the dance and I was hoping we go all the way.

But the funk the team was in, I couldnt see us holding up. Odds are if Cushing was in the middle, I would ha ve felt a lot better on that side of the ball.

Right now for the Texans to get back, right side of offensive line has got to take a step forward. Secondary needs to continue to get better and our wr need to step up their game big time


Was this season a failure? Yes to 31 teams in the nfl. Was there some success, you bet your ass in this league of parity.
 
BullBlitz said:
I would have preferred two fewer regular season wins and an additional playoff victory, but hey - that's just me. :truck:
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You know, all this time I thought you were a Colts troll. Because of your avatar.

I see now, the error in my assumption. You're a Texans' fan who doesn't like Schaub (which explains your avatar).

I don't have a problem with that.
 
Anybody remember us running the wildcat like for the first time ever and Jacoby fumbling? I can't find it on youtube but I remember the play and I THINK it was Jones.
 
dc_txtech said:
Anybody remember us running the wildcat like for the first time ever and Jacoby fumbling? I can't find it on youtube but I remember the play and I THINK it was Jones.
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ravens mnf game 2010 first drive iirc...

dont think it was a fumble, just lost yds. remember kubes getting bashed for trying to get too cute. as usual, damned if you do.....

edit: looked it up- it was actually 2009 mnf game v jags... he lost 5 yds
 
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