Minnesota Vikings: Percy Harvin Could Be Traded

srrono · Feb 8, 2013

Percy Harvins first four seasons with the Minnesota Vikings has been great, yet highly complicated. Hes often dubbed the name wide re-diva, although his actions could be justified.

Harvin has expressed his frustration in the past and even threatened to skip training camp last year. Just havent been happy lately, Harvin said of his situation in Minnesota. But he didnt go into specifics. The Vikings star receiver has had several verbal exchanges with head coach Leslie Frazier and even reportedly requested a trade. Not to mention, after being placed on injured reserve December 5th for a severely sprained left ankle Harvin packed up and never returned to Minnesotas facility. Instead, Harvin decided to rehab at his home in Florida. Coach Frazier and Harvin did not communicate often during the Vikings playoff-push.
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srrono · Feb 10, 2013

Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin

Local news report says team sources claim that the Vikings are looking to trade Percy Harvin following a blow-up with head coach Leslie Frazier. The incident was credited for why Harvin was placed on injured reserve and why the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin.

Mike Max of WCCO Radio reported this weekend that the Vikings are actively pursuing a trade for wide receiver Percy Harvin.

According to the report, the reason the Vikings put Harvin on injured reserve while he was healing from an ankle injury was related to a meltdown Harvin had that was directed toward head coach Leslie Frazier in the presence of several players.

Sources said that teammates didnt take well to Harvins blow-up at Frazier, which was similar to an episode Harvin had with former head coach Brad Childress. As a result, the report claims, the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin while his trade value is high.

Harvin is under contract for one more season and there has been speculation that, if the Vikings were looking to trade Harvin, any potential trade would likely have to come prior to this years draft.
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All Texans fans should start a chain mass email to Rick Smith to ask him to get this done. Harvin can be #2 now and future #1 after AJ is gone.

steelbtexan · Feb 10, 2013

Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.

Allstar · Feb 10, 2013

This is a guy I'd LOVE to have

Wolf · Feb 10, 2013

So he had a blow ups with two head coaches

Hmmm

srrono · Feb 10, 2013

Wolf said:
So he had a blow ups with two head coaches
Hmmm

So what he is a diva as long as he can get the job done on the field thats all I care about. Its not like he was accused of double homicide.

stingray · Feb 10, 2013

This is exactly the player the Texans need. A difference maker. A speed burner. Somebody to stretch the field. He's got some diva qualities but the texans window of a super bowl run is closing with Andre getting older and not knowing what the future holds at our QB situation.

CretorFrigg · Feb 10, 2013

stingray said:
This is exactly the player the Texans need. A difference maker. A speed burner. Somebody to stretch the field. He's got some diva qualities but the texans window of a super bowl run is closing with Andre getting older and not knowing what the future holds at our QB situation.

We don't have a QB that will be able to throw to Percy Harvin in stride. You can have all the speedsters in the world, but there needs to be a QB who can throw to them.

stingray · Feb 10, 2013

CretorFrigg said:
We don't have a QB that will be able to throw to Percy Harvin in stride. You can have all the speedsters in the world, but there needs to be a QB who can throw to them.

Here we go again. Matt Schaub is not Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or even Joe Flacco. But he isn't Chrisitan Ponder either. And Harvin did quite well with that guy. I think Percy can do pretty well here in Houston.

ChampionTexan · Feb 10, 2013

stingray said:
Here we go again. Matt Schaub is not Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or even Joe Flacco. But he isn't Chrisitan Ponder either. And Harvin did quite well with that guy. I think Percy can do pretty well here in Houston.

Trade A.J. since Matt doesn't have a really strong arm!
(Yes, it sounds even stupider to me than it probably does to you.)

srrono · Feb 10, 2013

Eric Stoner ‏@ECStoner

Wow. MT @SteveBateman99: Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick.

thunderkyss · Feb 10, 2013

How's his run blocking?

srrono · Feb 10, 2013

Steve Bateman ‏@SteveBateman99
Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick. Will earn $4.02M in 2013 - that's about realistic for the #Jets.

thunderkyss · Feb 10, 2013

srrono said:
Steve Bateman ‏@SteveBateman99
Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick. Will earn $4.02M in 2013 - that's about realistic for the #Jets.

Sounds like a Wes Welker replacement if I ever heard one.

Nawzer · Feb 10, 2013

Texans are not going to make a move for Harvin. Not the type of move this F.O. is known for.

TexanCR · Feb 10, 2013

The problem with Harvin is not that MIN will request a 2nd and a 4th (which I will give in a heartbeat for him) is that Percy will want a huge contract.

We are not going to give two picks for a 1 year player. It hurts to see such a good player available to get but we can't because of Rick Smith ineptitude handling the cap.

:kubepalm:

powda · Feb 10, 2013

Harvin isnt just a speedster. He creates after the catch and would help greatly even with schaubs arm...(except when he's hurt.)

2 and a 4? Do it now.

CloakNNNdagger · Feb 10, 2013

Report: Vikings will actively pursue Percy Harvin trade

By Chris Wesseling
Around the League Writer
Published: Feb. 10, 2013 at 04:08 p.m.
Updated: Feb. 10, 2013 at 07:53 p.m.

Percy Harvin is mysteriously missing from the Minnesota Vikings' 2013 promotional season ticket poster. Pressed about the talented but volatile receiver's future with the team entering a contract season, general manager Rick Spielman recently played it coy while hinting that there are aspects of the receiver's behavior that aren't easy to love.

Sources tell Mike Max of WCCO in Minneapolis that Spielman will indeed actively pursue a Harvin trade on the heels of a November meltdown directed at head coach Leslie Frazier. The incident happened in front of teammates, who didn't take well to Harvin's tirade just a couple of years after a similar blowup directed at former coach Brad Childress. It was also believed to be the real reason that Harvin was unexpectedly placed on injured reserve with an ankle ailment that didn't require surgery.

While local beat writers have speculated that Harvin would go on the trade block this offseason, it's worth noting that none has backed Max's report of irreconcilable differences.

Any team dealing for Harvin will have to pony up for an extension, likely more than $10 million per season. Considering his baggage, an NFL personnel man estimated that Harvin would fetch just a second- or third-round pick in return. One writer covering the Vikings bets the New England Patriots will go after Harvin, as head coach Bill Belichick "loves" the league's premier slot receiver.

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Allstar · Feb 10, 2013

I'd give up a first and fourth. A 2nd and 4th? No brainer.

TexanCR · Feb 10, 2013

I can see him wearing a NE uniform next season, he will be the perfect replacement for Wes Welker, if they let him walk.

More dominance for NE...but don't worry we have Kevin Walter.

Playoffs · Feb 10, 2013

CloakNNNdagger said:
Any team dealing for Harvin will have to pony up for an extension, likely more than $10 million per season. Considering his baggage, an NFL personnel man estimated that Harvin would fetch just a second- or third-round pick in return.

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CloakNNNdagger · Feb 10, 2013

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BullBlitz · Feb 10, 2013

Nawzer said:
Texans are not going to make a move for Harvin. Not the type of move this F.O. is known for.

No. Of course not. The Texans won't take a risk on a proven talent who has had a little controversy at the beginning of his NFL career.

The risk the Texans love to take is to sign unproven players and just hope they turn into something some day. Once in a millennium that strategy gets you a player like Arian Foster. Unfortunately that's not often enough to make much of a difference.

Maybe Harvin will go to the Colts.

infantrycak · Feb 10, 2013

BullBlitz said:
The risk the Texans love to take is to sign unproven players and just hope they turn into something some day.

Yeah because JJo, Manning, Cody, Myers, James, Leach, Pollard, etc. had shown nothing in this league. Nice BullShlitz

Texn4life · Feb 10, 2013

I love Percy's ability, but his Migraine and injury history scare the crap out of me. Pretty sure that's the only reason Minny hasn't offered him a big contract yet. Injuries can be problematic with anyone, but if you could promise me that his Migraines wouldn't be a problem again then I'd bite. With the way the league is so careful about head injuries these days I worry that anything head/brain related is too big of a risk to invest heavily in.

thunderkyss · Feb 10, 2013

A 2nd & a 4th plus $10M/yr for Harvin....... or

$10M/yr for Bolden....... or

$10M/yr for Bowe?

Texn4life · Feb 10, 2013

thunderkyss said:
A 2nd & a 4th plus $10M/yr for Harvin....... or

$10M/yr for Bolden....... or

$10M/yr for Bowe?

Hell no to all of the above! I just can't see a receiver being worth that much money when all of them have big time question marks. They're all talented but I'd be hot if the Texans even thought about any of the above for that price.

Wolf · Feb 11, 2013

For the record,I believe that I read AJ is making 9.6 ish this year with performance bonus'

Scooter · Feb 11, 2013

i'd pass. a 2 and 4, plus a very large impending contract for a guy who hasnt topped 1,000 yards or 6 td's, hasnt been able to get along with coaches or teammates, and struggles to play a full season. harvin certainly looks like what we need opposite andre, but between the contract and other baggage i think he costs too much.

Corrosion · Feb 11, 2013

steelbtexan said:
Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.

Those first and second round picks are very valuable and since they are now salary slotted are a major way of cap management Also the salary cap and NFL rules are very trade prohobitive .... I would be hard pressed to give up a #1 or #2 for any player in the league (save for the obvious stars).

You look at what other players have been moved for - Brandon Marshall (third I believe) Demeco (5th) and a host of others .... history says picks are worth more than even established players in most cases.

If Minny is to move Harvin , I dont see them having a lot of leverage against those teams inolved. I think he could be had for a 3rd rounder or less.

As for Harvin being a headcase , I think the no nonsense attitude of many of the guy's on this roster along with Kubiak being a hardass even if you guy's dont see it or the media portrays him otherwise would keep him in line.

I dont know that McNair would sign off on that deal tho ..... :polevault:

El Tejano · Feb 11, 2013

All I had to read was that he had problems with Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier to know that our team will not go for him.

I know our team could use him though. IMO our offense missed Jacoby. Hear me out on that first. Even though Jacoby would drop passes, he also made long plays and a defense still had to respect him. We didn't have that last year and we became one dimensional in our passing game (horizontal). If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.

Corrosion · Feb 11, 2013

El Tejano said:
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Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.

Cant trade comp picks.

HOU-TEX · Feb 11, 2013

El Tejano said:
All I had to read was that he had problems with Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier to know that our team will not go for him.

I know our team could use him though. IMO our offense missed Jacoby. Hear me out on that first. Even though Jacoby would drop passes, he also made long plays and a defense still had to respect him. We didn't have that last year and we became one dimensional in our passing game (horizontal). If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.

Can't trade comp picks.

I'm kind of weery about Harvin. Maybe we could send AJ up there to slap the crap out of him a few times to help get his mind right first.

HoustonFrog · Feb 11, 2013

Love this guy. His injury concerns are way overblown as up until last year he had only missed one game due to the migraines. 2 years back he was the most productive WR in the league the 2nd half of the year and started the same last year until the injury. The guy is incredibly talented.

steelbtexan · Feb 11, 2013

Corrosion said:
Those first and second round picks are very valuable and since they are now salary slotted are a major way of cap management Also the salary cap and NFL rules are very trade prohobitive .... I would be hard pressed to give up a #1 or #2 for any player in the league (save for the obvious stars).

You look at what other players have been moved for - Brandon Marshall (third I believe) Demeco (5th) and a host of others .... history says picks are worth more than even established players in most cases.

If Minny is to move Harvin , I dont see them having a lot of leverage against those teams inolved. I think he could be had for a 3rd rounder or less.

As for Harvin being a headcase , I think the no nonsense attitude of many of the guy's on this roster along with Kubiak being a hardass even if you guy's dont see it or the media portrays him otherwise would keep him in line.

I dont know that McNair would sign off on that deal tho .....

I consider Harvin to be a star type player,so I wouldn't have a problem giving up a 2nd,although I see your point. He would be a perfect fit for a rag armed QB like Schaub. He's great at running bubble screens drags and stuff close to the LOS. Harvin is a threat to score a TD any time he has the ball in hisands. Whether it's out wide, in the slot or in the backfield. The Texans have never really had a weapon like Harvin. I can only dream about how Gary would use him all over the field.

You need a WR/KR? Harvin is one of the best. Although he hasn't been PR much anymore.

The Bears gave up two 3rds for Marshall. Think they would do that deal again? I view Harvin in the same light as Marshall. Harvins problems with coaches/management all go back to him wanting a new contract. So I dont see him as being a lockeroom problem.

I cant see BoB trading for a guy like Harvin either. It might be to traumatic to bring in a guy like Harvin at 10 mil per year.

thunderkyss · Feb 11, 2013

El Tejano said:
I know our team could use him though.
If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Is Percy Harvin a deep threat? I think he's more of a flex player, kinda like James Casey. I don't think he's a true WR. I've been given flack about it before, but I stand by that statement. He's a playmaker & that's what makes him dangerous. He is not a deep threat.

Check out his avg per catch, it's reads more like a really good TE or a RB, not a WR. He had 62 catches for 677 yards @ 10.9 ypc. He's had 8 catches over 20 yards, 1 catch over 40 yards, 36 first downs, 3 TDs.

By comparison, Kevin Walter had 41 catches for 518 yards @ 12.6 ypc. He had 5 catches over 20 yards, 1 over 40 yards, 27 first downs, & 2 TDs.

I'm all about getting play makers on the field, so I'm on board with bringing Percy Harvin to Houston. But he's not going to stretch the field. I don't think he has to, we'd still need to acquire a speed receiver to stretch the field.

BullNation4Life · Feb 11, 2013

As many have said, Harvin is not the type of player to be a deep threat, he is, however, the type of player that can turn a 5 yard slant into a 50 yard gain or a TD. Not to mention his return skills

Would love yo have him as a weapon, but he will go to someone like NE, Denver or, God forbid, Colts.

Texans FO do not have the stones to trade for/rent a player like this for a year, if they cannot get a new contract done...

Bulls on Parade · Feb 11, 2013

steelbtexan said:
Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.

He'd be worth whatever it took for Houston to land him.

HoustonFrog · Feb 11, 2013

Just some more stats on the guy in case people hadn't researched what he did in 2011 to his injury and last year in general when he was getting early MVP talk

bleacherreport.com/articles/1376111-nfl-awards-percy-harvin-and-7-surprising-mvp-candidates

Of receivers who have received 36 or more targets, Harvin has the highest target-to-catch percentage, coming down with 79 percent of the 62 targets (sixth in the NFL) he's received.

This former Florida Gator leads the league in both receptions (49) and yards after catch (316). After Harvin's 316 yards after catch, Darren Sproles is a distant second with 230. Such goes to show just how explosive this Minnesota pass-catcher is with the ball in hands

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1369708-minnesota-vikings-why-percy-harvin-could-be-legitimate-nfl-mvp-candidate

It's worked well since then. Harvin has led the NFL (among wide receivers) in offensive touches in the past year with 151. By comparison, the next highest total is 111 by Wes Welker of New England.
With those touches, Harvin makes a difference. He's racked up 1,362 combo yards (1,113 receiving, 249 rushing) for an average of 9.01 yards every time he touches the ball.

Even more incredible, those numbers don't even include his kick returns. In addition to having a 105-yard kickoff return against the Detroit Lions on September 30, Harvin has been averaging 38.3 yards per return, which leads the NFL.

thunderkyss · Feb 11, 2013

BullNation4Life said:
Texans FO do not have the stones to trade for/rent a player like this for a year, if they cannot get a new contract done...

What would you think if the Texans used that 2nd round pick on a player that was in the NFL for only one year?

Doppelganger · Feb 11, 2013

Watt and Cushing will likely need raises pretty soon.

Not sure they can afford a $10 mill plus contract for Harvin. If the contract numbers worked, I'd consider a 2nd for him.

BigBull17 · Feb 11, 2013

A team starved for play makers and in a playoff battle IR'ed him for a sprained ankle. Tells me a lot about what he brings. I don't care if my players are boy scouts, but I don't want a me first diva.

thunderkyss · Feb 11, 2013

BigBull17 said:
A team starved for play makers and in a playoff battle IR'ed him for a sprained ankle. Tells me a lot about what he brings. I don't care if my players are boy scouts, but I don't want a me first diva.

Gotta respect Frazier & that organization for standing behind him.

GP · Feb 11, 2013

Scooter said:
i'd pass. a 2 and 4, plus a very large impending contract for a guy who hasnt topped 1,000 yards or 6 td's, hasnt been able to get along with coaches or teammates, and struggles to play a full season. harvin certainly looks like what we need opposite andre, but between the contract and other baggage i think he costs too much.

This ^^^.

No need for GP to add more, that ^^^ is the list I would have posted.

CloakNNNdagger · Feb 11, 2013

I like Harvin. But if you heard the strange interview where the Vikings were entirely evasive as to if Harvin was going to be back or not..........no explanation was made for why he might not return.

Just throwing out something to think about. In 2010, Harvin rolled his ankle.......his left ankle. This past season, he again rolled his ankle......his left ankle again. But this time it was a confirmed COMPLETE rupture of the lateral ankle ligament (not really widely publicized). Whether this injury is treated by surgery, or as it has been with Harvin with conservative treatment, studies have shown that 10 to 30% of patients have chronic symptoms, including persistent synovitis (inflammation of the ankle joint) or tendinitis, ankle stiffness, swelling, pain, muscle weakness, complaints of the ankle “giving-way,” and recurrent injury. Ongoing physical therapy programs are geared to reduce instability. However, for individuals with chronic instability refractory to conservative measures, surgery may be needed.....with further concerns listed above......on top of the additional concern of surgical complications.

It may be that the Vikings know something that they are not being totally honest about.

Texecutioner · Feb 11, 2013

You guys actually think there is even a slight chance that the Texans would bite on this trade? Lol!

There is no way the Texans even touch this guy. Injury prone, attitude problems, and a trade involving multiple picks for Rick to negotiate? You guys are dreaming.

Either way that is way to much money for Harvin.

HoustonFrog · Feb 11, 2013

Texecutioner said:
You guys actually think there is even a slight chance that the Texans would bite on this trade? Lol!

There is no way the Texans even touch this guy. Injury prone, attitude problems, and a trade involving multiple picks for Rick to negotiate? You guys are dreaming.

Either way that is way to much money for Harvin.

Bolded is not true. I think, up until this injury, he had missed like 3 games in his career. People just liked to talk about the migraines. He played in 15, 14 and 16 games his first 3 years.

I also don't get the attitude issues. As I pointed out in the stats earlier, the guy was one of the best overall players in the league for 2011 and into 2012 and did anything the team asked of him from returner, to RB to WR

Playoffs · Feb 11, 2013

CloakNNNdagger said:
...It may be that the Vikings know something that they are not being totally honest about.

Yep, and if Harvin does have a potentially chronic ankle there's no way he plays under his current contract. His best position is to hold out for a trade with a new contract and do what he can to pass the physical.

Double Barrel · Feb 11, 2013

I'd rather have Mike Wallace in a Texans uni.

thunderkyss · Feb 11, 2013

Playoffs said:
Yep, and if Harvin does have a potentially chronic ankle there's no way he plays under his current contract. His best position is to hold out for a trade with a new contract and do what he can to pass the physical.

I think I suffer from what CnD explained. My ankles are shot... & weak. But I can do everything I've always done on them... if my knees allow it that is.

But every now & then, the slightest things will cause me to twist my ankle. There would be pain for a little while, but I always walk it off & I'm good until the next incident.

Of course, I'm nowhere near the athlete Percy Harvin is & he uses his ankles in ways I never had the ability to do. But my point, is that he may not recognize how bad it is.

My ankles were like this for years before I thought I had a chronic problem that stemmed back to skate boarding when I was a teenager.

I can run a mile now, no problem & if I weren't so out of shape, I could probably run 25 without my ankles bothering me..... as long as I'm on a relatively even surface. I play basketball from time to time, no problem, racketball.. same thing. But I'll be damned if I'm just walking across the yard & my heel falls into an unexpected divit......

I'm hitting the ground. People laugh at me (I can take it) because they can't see what caused me to fall.

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