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Texans Won't Rule Out Drafting QB

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Our sources wouldn’t rule out the possibility [of drafting a QB], pointing to the situations of the 49ers and Seahawks, neither of whom felt they needed a starter when they selected Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson in the second and third rounds, respectively, the past two years.

We hear the Texans would love to have a mobile QB like one of the two aforementioned rising stars.

“Steve Young won a Super Bowl in this offense,” noted a daily team observer. “John Elway was a really good runner. Jake Plummer was a really good runner. When you’re running a bootleg, there is only one guy there to stop the QB. A mobile QB is great for the system.”
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/texans-wont-rule-drafting-qb-195307068--nfl.html

Interesting. I wouldn't mind drafting a QB in the earlier rounds. If we get lucky, we'll find the next Russell Wilson.
 
jaayteetx said:
IDK, I've heard this draft is pretty thin at QB.
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True, I've heard that too, but we're not looking to draft a QB in the first round -- at least, not that I know of. Hopefully, we try to find a diamond in the rough...someone who is considered a later pick due to his lack of height, school he went to, etc.
 
jaayteetx said:
IDK, I've heard this draft is pretty thin at QB.
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Take this for what it's worth to you. But I heard Lance Zierlein say on the radio this week that as many as 9 QBs could be taken in the first 3 rounds. And that makes sense to me. The QBs coming into the league seem more plug and play than in the past. I think QBs coming into the league now are much more advanced than 10 years ago. Take the right guy in this draft, and you should have a starter by 2014.
 
jaayteetx said:
IDK, I've heard this draft is pretty thin at QB.
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JUP!!! Kinda weak in the QB draft class this year.

That said, it doesn't really matter as we've seen a second string collegiate QB, fast track it to the Pro Football HOF.. Who was it that guy that started ahead of him again?
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Kubiak needs to get outside his comfort zone here. Dont just make the "safe pick," get somebody with a ceiling. And why settle for mobile? How bout mobile AND a legit deep ball. Our offense has become so predictible, if you add a qb who can competently threaten deep, we stop being so one dimensional. He doesn't have to start next season and drafting a guy in the top 3 rounds might light a fire in schaub and yates. There's been no competition for schaub just as there wasnt for carr.

When people here have to wonder if Kenuhm is a solution you know it's bad. Get it done!
 
They should be scouting QB's either way. When Schaub's contract is over in three years, his wear-and-tear alone would discourage an extension.
 
CretorFrigg said:
True, I've heard that too, but we're not looking to draft a QB in the first round -- at least, not that I know of. Hopefully, we try to find a diamond in the rough...someone who is considered a later pick due to his lack of height, school he went to, etc.
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Isn't that what Yates was???
 
Lucky said:
Take this for what it's worth to you. But I heard Lance Zierlein say on the radio this week that as many as 9 QBs could be taken in the first 3 rounds. And that makes sense to me. The QBs coming into the league seem more plug and play than in the past. I think QBs coming into the league now are much more advanced than 10 years ago. Take the right guy in this draft, and you should have a starter by 2014.
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That may be true, but I think more then anything that it is the new rules that make it easier for these younger QB's to have the success they are. The success of the spread offense seems to really be helping out so many of these fresh QB's from college.
 
Texans also won't rule out drafting OL, TE, WR, RB, DL, LB, DB.

Our sources tell us Texans are unlikely to draft a K or P.
 
panamamyers said:
I can only think of EJ Manuel if they mention mobile qb.
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We already have a QB who struggles in big games.. Manuel is even (exponentially) worse. No Thanks.
 
Brisco_County said:
They should be scouting QB's either way. When Schaub's contract is over in three years, his wear-and-tear alone would discourage an extension.
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He signed a 4 year extension to add to the previous 1 year, so Schaubby will be around through 2016.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, what rd? I like Dysert alot. Big mobile, great arm, accurate.

Or my guy Bray in the 2nd.
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I like both guys. I also wouldn't mind waiting until next draft to address QB. The top five next draft would be Mccarron, Murray, Bridgewater, Boyd, and Manziel possibly.
 
says sports yahooo LOL no way we are drafting a QB

besides it wasent my time but Young and elway were not that moblie IMO yeah maybe there first 3 years but after that nope and neither won a SB till later in there career right ..??? when they were more pocket passers


and call me crazy but i dont think a "moblie" QB has ever one the Super bowl and i bet that trend will continue this year yet again
 
Norg said:
says sports yahooo LOL no way we are drafting a QB

besides it wasent my time but Young and elway were not that moblie IMO yeah maybe there first 3 years but after that nope and neither won a SB till later in there career right ..??? when they were more pocket passers


and call me crazy but i dont think a "moblie" QB has ever one the Super bowl and i bet that trend will continue this year yet again
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Aaron Rodgers wouldn't qualify as a mobile QB?
 
MistaRed said:
Aaron Rodgers wouldn't qualify as a mobile QB?
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yeah i was thinking about that but hes a pocket passer trough and through IMO

mobile to means u gotta be really fast and be able to lay the wood on someone when a linebacker is going to come and lay the wood on rodgers what do u think hes going to do go in head first or slide ...????? SLIDE i say and lets be honest arron does not have world athelthic speed

anywayz watch in 4 years Rodgers will not be running has fast or at all
 
Norg said:
says sports yahooo LOL no way we are drafting a QB

besides it wasent my time but Young and elway were not that moblie IMO yeah maybe there first 3 years but after that nope and neither won a SB till later in there career right ..??? when they were more pocket passers


and call me crazy but i dont think a "moblie" QB has ever one the Super bowl and i bet that trend will continue this year yet again
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MistaRed said:
Aaron Rodgers wouldn't qualify as a mobile QB?
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Norg said:
yeah i was thinking about that but hes a pocket passer trough and through IMO

mobile to means u gotta be really fast and be able to lay the wood on someone when a linebacker is going to come and lay the wood on rodgers what do u think hes going to do go in head first or slide ...????? SLIDE i say and lets be honest arron does not have world athelthic speed

anywayz watch in 4 years Rodgers will not be running has fast or at all
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I guess I disagree with the "you gotta be really fast and be able to "lay the wood on someone" when you're talking about QBs. That's why I have running backs. RGIII ain't gonna "lay the wood" on any decent LB.

And actually, I would consider all three - Steve Young, John Elway, and Aaron Rodgers - as mobile QBs. True, they aren't speedy, OPTION QBs in the RGIII and Kaepernick sense, but they were/are mobile and elusive enough to escape the rush and make the rollout pass effective. Plus they had/have the deep ball at their disposal. That would still be an upgrade from what we have now.

If you'll only swap Schaub for the next RGIII, Kaepernick, or Russell Wilson, you may be stuck with Schaub for quite a while.
 
ok yeah u gotta be athelthic enough to move around in the pocket and run four 4 to 5 yards then slide thats a plus i guess thats like teir 1 Mobile QB IMO Rodgers alex smith etc etc teir 2 would be RG III and Kapernick


IMO running a bootleg play were u run back fake the run then run a U behind the line isnt that hard any QB can do that mobile or not the hard part on thoes plays is reading the COverage very fast before the free Man comes rushing in your face and there is well most of the time a free Linemen or Lber coming at U

haha and yeah and the only people that might lay some wood on u is the FB type QB's the ones that are big and strong alla David garred used to be like that TIm tebow maybe and Josh Freemen
 
Playoffs said:
Texans also won't rule out drafting OL, TE, WR, RB, DL, LB, DB.

Our sources tell us Texans are unlikely to draft a K or P.
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Exactly, this is just "source" speak, much like coach speak, means nothing.


If Kubiak thought there was a problem at the QB position, we'd have seen more Tj Yates in our 20 point victories, where the offense did nothing to help us win in the second half.
 
jaayteetx said:
IDK, I've heard this draft is pretty thin at QB.
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It's not that it's thin at QB, there's just no guys that look like they are worth taking in the top 5 currently. This is all prior to any workouts or senior/east-west games so that obviously can change. There are quite a bit of QB's that have some good measureables and some good skills, but they aren't quite as slam dunk'ish as say last year, or the year before (No Cam Newton, No Andrew Luck, No RGIII).

Of course you guys know as well as I do that Bob McNair is holding out for Johnny Foootball.
 
b0ng said:
It's not that it's thin at QB, there's just no guys that look like they are worth taking in the top 5 currently. This is all prior to any workouts or senior/east-west games so that obviously can change. There are quite a bit of QB's that have some good measureables and some good skills, but they aren't quite as slam dunk'ish as say last year, or the year before (No Cam Newton, No Andrew Luck, No RGIII).

Of course you guys know as well as I do that Bob McNair is holding out for Johnny Foootball.
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I think it'd be far from possible to see Johnny Football in a Texans jersey.

1. There's no guarantee that this guy is going to replicate his second season in the SEC. SEC teams will prepare for him more than ever, and at some point they will figure out a way to shut him down at least enough to make him average.

2. Even IF he continues on a superstar track, we'd have to be bad enough to be in a position to get him. Or, we'd have to trade a lot of assets to get into position to get him. And with the way the 49ers and Seahawks have found their own Johnny Football QB, I don't even think a team would take a large grouping of trade assets from us. I think they'd stay put and take the kid themselves.

3. The kid's character is poor. He's way too open with his activities, as in SCARES THE HELL OUT OF MCNAIR type of character. He's dirty dancing with a girl who looks like she came straight from a whore house, he's openly drinking champagne even though he's not 21, and there's other stuff too that scares a guy like McNair. Could we chalk this up to him just being young and wild...something that goes away as quickly as it came upon him this year? I dunno. But I bet McNair thinks someone else can take that risk.

That's only 3 scenarios in which Johnny Football won't be a Texans QB.

I think a better solution would be to hire Kevin Sumlin at the end of 2013's season, after Kubiak again gets waxed in the divisional round because he played Matt Schaub again and got the same results. Again. Then Sumlin could work with Case Keenum, or you could see if it's possible to throw all your chips into the Johnny Football race. Either way, I think IF Sumlin makes the Aggies special again, we could easily send Kubiak to A&M and Sumlin to the Texans.
 
Manziel redshirted, so he can come out after one more year.

Young and Elway were absolutely, positively mobile qb's. For their time, they were two of the top 3 or 4 mobile qb's in the whole league.

Young had over 4,200 yards rushing in his career. That is 3rd all-time for a qb behind Vick and Cunningham. Elway is also in the top 7 all-time for qb's in rushing yards.

You have Cunningham, Vick, Young, Tarkenton, McNair, McNabb and Elway.
Those are the top seven running qb's of all time.

Aaron Rodgers is also certainly a mobile qb. He was 7th in the league this year in rushing for a qb, behind RG3, Kaepernick, Wilson, Newton, Vick and Locker.

Roethlisberger is also one of the most mobile qb's in the NFL. Maybe he does not end up running for a lot of yards, buthe is certainly mobile in the pocket.

Lastly, who even cares if a mobile qb had truly never won a Super Bowl, though that is not true. In 1960, a team that passed more than 15 times a game had never won a championship either.
Things change. Evolve or get left behind.
 
If the Texans were looking to draft a QB to groom it would one more like R. Wilson. A 3rd pick that is mobile and athletic (not a 4.4 guy but can run for 5-10 yards if needed) accurate with a good deep ball he will have a knock on him that will be obvious. He will have to have a body of work no one year wonder types. Our biggest weakness with our current group of QB's is that there is no threat to run on the backside of the boot/play-action to keep the defense honest. When you have that threat it opens the run lanes for the one cut in the zone blocking scheme.
 
Let's be honest, of all the Superbowls this is kind of how I see it. More great QB's have won the game more than average, over a 45 year span. 8 QB's that I would consider a "game manager" has ever won the superbowl, and a couple are suspect as a game manager, as I think that has to come off when you win more than one superbowl.

Phill Simms/Bob Griese

In short you have to have a "GREAT" qb to have the best chance at winning the superbowl IMHO. I feel the facts below only reinforce the fact we don't have a superbowl QB that gives us the best chance to win the big game.

Super Bowl I - Bart Starr, Green Bay
Super Bowl II - Bart Starr, Green Bay
Super Bowl III - Joe Namath, New York Jets
Super Bowl IV - Len Dawson, Kansas City
Super Bowl V - Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts*
Super Bowl VI - Roger Staubach, Dallas
Super Bowl VII - Bob Griese, Miami
Super Bowl VIII - Bob Griese, Miami
Super Bowl IX - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl X - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XI - Ken Stabler, Oakland
Super Bowl XII - Roger Staubach, Dallas
Super Bowl XIII - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XIV - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XV - Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Super Bowl XVI - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann, Washington
Super Bowl XVIII - Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders
Super Bowl XIX - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon, Chicago
Super Bowl XXI - Phil Simms, New York Giants
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams, Washington
Super Bowl XXIII - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXIV - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler and Phil Simms, New York Giants**
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien, Washington
Super Bowl XXVII - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXVIII - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXIX - Steve Young, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXX - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXXI - Bret Favre, Green Bay
Super Bowl XXXII - John Elway, Denver
Super Bowl XXXIII - John Elway, Denver
Super Bowl XXXIV - Kurt Warner, St. Louis
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Super Bowl XXXVI - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XXXIX - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XL - Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XLI - Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Super Bowl XLII -Eli Manning, New York Giants
Super Bowl XLIII -Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XLIV -Drew Brees, New Orleans
Super Bowl XLV -Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
Super Bowl XLVI -Eli Manning, New York Giants
 
ckhouston said:
I don't consider these two game managers.

McMahon was a fiery player and Williams straight lit it up in that SuperBowl.
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... Williams had one good game, and they had a heck of a running back that year too.. McMahon rode the bears defense, and Waltor Payton who rushed for over 1500 yards, and their fullback was almost 500 as well.

"the Bears primary deep threat was wide receiver Willie Gault, who caught 33 passes for 704 yards, an average of 21.3 yards per catch, and returned 22 kickoffs for 557 yards and a touchdown. Tight end Emery Moorehead was another key contributor, catching 35 passes for 481 yards. Wide receiver Dennis McKinnon was another passing weapon, recording 31 receptions, 555 yards, and 7 touchdowns. On special teams, Kevin Butler set a rookie scoring record with 144 points, making 31 of 37 field goals (83%) and 51 of 51 extra points."

I don't consider that to be an amazing passing attack, that's the gift of having one of the best ever playing running back, and a damn good fullback in the mix.
 
silvrhand said:
Let's be honest, of all the Superbowls this is kind of how I see it. More great QB's have won the game more than average, over a 45 year span. 8 QB's that I would consider a "game manager" has ever won the superbowl, and a couple are suspect as a game manager, as I think that has to come off when you win more than one superbowl.

Phill Simms/Bob Griese

In short you have to have a "GREAT" qb to have the best chance at winning the superbowl IMHO. I feel the facts below only reinforce the fact we don't have a superbowl QB that gives us the best chance to win the big game.

Super Bowl I - Bart Starr, Green Bay
Super Bowl II - Bart Starr, Green Bay
Super Bowl III - Joe Namath, New York Jets
Super Bowl IV - Len Dawson, Kansas City
Super Bowl V - Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts*
Super Bowl VI - Roger Staubach, Dallas
Super Bowl VII - Bob Griese, Miami
Super Bowl VIII - Bob Griese, Miami
Super Bowl IX - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl X - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XI - Ken Stabler, Oakland
Super Bowl XII - Roger Staubach, Dallas
Super Bowl XIII - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XIV - Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XV - Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Super Bowl XVI - Joe Montana, San Franciscaw, Pito
Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann, Washington
Super Bowl XVIII - Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders
Super Bowl XIX - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon, Chicago
Super Bowl XXI - Phil Simms, New York Giants
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams, Washington
Super Bowl XXIII - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXIV - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler and Phil Simms, New York Giants**
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien, Washington
Super Bowl XXVII - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXVIII - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXIX - Steve Young, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXX - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXXI - Bret Favre, Green Bay
Super Bowl XXXII - John Elway, Denver
Super Bowl XXXIII - John Elway, Denver
Super Bowl XXXIV - Kurt Warner, St. Louis
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Super Bowl XXXVI - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XXXIX - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XL - Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XLI - Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Super Bowl XLII -Eli Manning, New York Giants
Super Bowl XLIII -Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XLIV -Drew Brees, New Orleans
Super Bowl XLV -Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
Super Bowl XLVI -Eli Manning, New York Giants
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Here's a list of the Super Bowl winning QBs drafted in the 1st rd . If I'm not mistaken , 6 or 7 of them were the 1st player taken .

Joe Namath, New York Jets
Earl Morrall Colts
Bob Griese, Miami
Bob Griese, Miami
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim McMahon, Chicago
Phil Simms, New York Giants
Steve Young, San Francisco
Doug Williams, Washington
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
John Elway, Denver
John Elway, Denver
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Here's a list of the Super Bowl winning QBs drafted in the 1st rd .

Joe Namath, New York Jets
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim McMahon, Chicago
Phil Simms, New York Giants
Steve Young, San Francisco
Doug Williams, Washington
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
John Elway, Denver
John Elway, Denver
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
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almost 50% of the superbowls have been won by a 1st round pick...
 
silvrhand said:
almost 50% of the superbowls have been won by a 1st round pick...
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Starr and Unitas were late round picks but in a different time .

Tom Brady and Kurt Warner are the exceptions .

Favre and Brees were 2nd round picks .

Montana and Stabler were 3rds ( I think thats right with Stabler )

Theisman , Rypien , and Williams were a procuct of the Redskins system .

Staubach would have been a 1st if he didn't have his Navy commitment .

Not sure about Griese and Morrall but found out they were both 1st rd picks .
 
LZ has a good write up on his blog. 4QBs the Texans should keep an eye on:

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootba...-texans-should-keep-an-eye-on-at-senior-bowl/

I kind of like the potential EJ Manuel would bring to our style of offense.

E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Height: 6’4 ****Weight: 240
Pass Yds: 3,392 **Pct: 68.4% **TDs: 23 **INTs: 10

Pros

Shows very sound passing mechanics for the most part
When he pulls the ball down, has size and speed to run effectively
Has the ability to adapt to offense that can utilize his running ability

Cons

Erratic decision-maker
Makes too many mistakes when pocket starts breaking down
Hasn’t played with consistency against better defenses

Overall

When it comes to tools and potential, it will be hard to find very many quarterbacks better than Manuel. *However, for as high as his ceiling might be, his floor is also relatively low. *Manuel ran some zone-read and straight lead option plays which may appeal to teams looking to incorporate what 49’ers are doing. Showed growth in accuracy and overall play from 2011 to 2012. *Didn’t have the success you would like to see against the better defenses. *Looks like a good fit for a zone team using play-action passing game with roll-outs.
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almost 50% of the superbowls have been won by a 1st round pick...
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Almost all (if not all) were won by the typical pocket passer types. A few were mobile like Young, Elway and Staubach but none of these guys were like RGIII or Russell Wilson.

That said I think that will change in the near future as the game keeps evolving.

Doug Williams (my original favorite QB .. had his jersey when I was a kid) is still the only black QB to win the SB. That's gotta change soon too.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Almost all (if not all) were won by the typical pocket passer types. A few were mobile like Young, Elway and Staubach but none of these guys were like RGIII or Russell Wilson.

That said I think that will change in the near future as the game keeps evolving.

Doug Williams (my original favorite QB .. had his jersey when I was a kid) is still the only black QB to win the SB. That's gotta change soon too.
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Doug Williams was always and is now still underrated. People can say what they want about him but the Bucs didn't win till he got there and he was a very important part of that Redskins SB.

Now that quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles, teams are really starting to exploit the protections. The defenses around the league have been fined gargantuan sums of money for intimidating wr's and qb's for the last couple of years so I think the new era of arena league scoring is off and running.

I don't think teams "need" a running quarterback, but I think the old template isn't the only way to go anymore even though I think that Brady is going to win another one this year. Classic drop back guy isn't dead, but I think more and more quality offensive teams will start to look like the Kapernick 9ers, the RG3 Skins and Wilson Seahawks as the offensive weapons are all bubble wrapped and defenders intimidated with massive fines in this current Goodell era.
 
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