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Is our next QB already on the roster?

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Also, people may not realize that Keenum is more potent as a running threat most imagine.

He ran for some 2,000 yards and 41 TDs in HS.

In his first year at UH, he split time at QB, logging a little more than 100 attempts (including sacks) , scoring 9 TDs
and averaged some 4 yards net per carry (including yard lost on sacks.)

He doesn't run as much in the later years yet still scored the same number of rushing TDs as Russell Wilson (23) while having 50% fewer rushing attempts (300 vs 410 something - I didn't dig deep enough to subtract the number of sacks but both guys are good enough to avoid them about the same, I think.)

RG III had 33 rushing TDs on 528 attempts, so Keenum actually had more rushing TDS per carry than him as well - no small feast.
 

Rey

Guest
Also, people may not realize that Keenum is more potent as a running threat most imagine.

He ran for some 2,000 yards and 41 TDs in HS.

In his first year at UH, he split time at QB, logging a little more than 100 attempts (including sacks) , scoring 9 TDs
and averaged some 4 yards net per carry (including yard lost on sacks.)

He doesn't run as much in the later years yet still scored the same number of rushing TDs as Russell Wilson (23) while having 50% fewer rushing attempts (300 vs 410 something - I didn't dig deep enough to subtract the number of sacks but both guys are good enough to avoid them about the same, I think.)

RG III had 33 rushing TDs on 528 attempts, so Keenum actually had more rushing TDS per carry than him as well - no small feast.
I think Keenum is more of a high scoring spread it out kind of qb. I think Yates fits what kubiak wants to do more.

Personally I'd rather have a qb like Keenum. Spread out defenses and run a fast break type of offense. Let the qb dictate the flow of the game.

I don't know if Keenum can fully take advantage of what he does well in this offense as currently constructed.
 

fiasco west

All Pro
Could be that easy but it's going to take guts for Kubiak to go with him and try it out.

Now I can't already wait until pre-season.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
I've been supporting the idea that Keenum is a sleeper that could thrive in this system, in that he has 2 healthy and smart feet that know when to run and when not to. The "system" would not have to be entirely overhauled, it would be enhanced by the addition of game plan unpredictability and increased accuracy both short and long. Keenum was excellent in feeding his receivers in stride........inclusive of the long ball.

If you remember my post re. Texans QB Darnell's interview a few weeks ago, he was very glancing and luke warm in comments when asked about Yates........and almost giddy, going on and on over Keenum's quick and extensive progress in grasping every aspect of the NFL game and our system........at the same while showing a big time arm.

It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I think Keenum is more of a high scoring spread it out kind of qb. I think Yates fits what kubiak wants to do more.

Personally I'd rather have a qb like Keenum. Spread out defenses and run a fast break type of offense. Let the qb dictate the flow of the game.

I don't know if Keenum can fully take advantage of what he does well in this offense as currently constructed.
Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.
 

powda

The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.
Msr.

It cant be that easy. Everyone knows you HAVE TO draft your franchise qb with a top 5 pick. Besides, kubiak automatically disqualifies any qb with a strong arm. It's like the law of gravity.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Man, neither back up will ever be the full time starter here. Lol!


Yates may get a shot at it next year or the year after, but he won't last long. He'll be a stop gap player at best for a year while everyone watches him look like a Jason Campbell type of player. Keenum is barely even in the league as it is, so I don't even see him as a factor at all.

So, no our future QB is not on this roster.
 

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
Msr.

It cant be that easy. Everyone knows you HAVE TO draft your franchise qb with a top 5 pick. Besides, kubiak automatically disqualifies any qb with a strong arm. It's like the law of gravity.
The first quality a QB has to posses can't be measured until after he plays and has adversity or gets the snot knocked out of him . Then you see how he responds and hope he's got talent .
 

WolverineFan

Hall of Fame
I think a lot of guys are blinded when it comes to Keenum. They can't see him objectively because of where he comes from.

Yates could be a top backup in the league. Nothing wrong with that. I think average starter is his ceiling.

To clarify, no I don't think our next QB is on the roster.
 

legacy_gt

Rookie
it's interesting, kubs didn't sound too confident at yates while had a lot of good things to say about keenum.

fans want a mobile, take charge, accurate passer and keenum could fit the bill in the future. everything out of kubiaks mouth has been nothing but good stuff about keenum.

you really can't judge keenum until he plays some season games though.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Msr.

It cant be that easy. Everyone knows you HAVE TO draft your franchise qb with a top 5 pick. Besides, kubiak automatically disqualifies any qb with a strong arm. It's like the law of gravity.
Yeah .... Tom Brady - 6th round pick :slapfight:


(I know you were being sarcastic)
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
I've always liked Case Keenum. Keenum could become the QB of the future for the Texans. It's possible. But I don't think an organization can count on Keenum becoming that guy. Which is why I advocate for drafting a QB this year. Preferably, someone who fits the current mold of athletic QBs. If Keenum beats him out, great. But I don't think the Texans should put all of their eggs in a UDFA's basket.
 

gwallaia

Moderator
Staff member
I am huge Cougar fan and Keenum fan and I will say only one thing about him, he is one of the smartest players and best decision makers I have ever seen as a college QB.

I don't know if he has what it takes to make it as a NFL player but I definetly think he will be a college coach when his NFL career is over.
 

WolverineFan

Hall of Fame
Which is why I advocate for drafting a QB this year. Preferably, someone who fits the current mold of athletic QBs. If Keenum beats him out, great. But I don't think the Texans should put all of their eggs in a UDFA's basket.
If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Step back and look at the thread objectively. Look at the board objectively. By and large people are not happy with the play of Matt Schaub. Now this doesn't mean a damn thing as far as the Texans are concerned because they've committed to Schaub financially and they're not about to listen to what a bunch of grumpy fans have to say anyway, nor should they.

We're going to kick this stuff around until they get back into camp and when that happens and the preseason games start up, well that's when every mistake Matt makes will start an argument and every positive play Yates or Keenum makes will light a fire. There's no competition in 2013 for the starting QB position. That's a fact. If Schaub falters though that won't make a lot of difference to the people paying for the tickets if they think a better option is sitting on the bench.
 

TEXANRED

Texan-American
Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?
Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
The Coogs O-line has never been all that good throughout Keenum's career, and his defenses have always been terrible until late in the 2011 season.

And yet, when you pull up all the names of the QBs that were drafted recently, including Luck and RG III and look at how Keenum played against common opponents, you will see that his production was outstanding.

I had done some research before (even though I may miss a game or two), Keenum was always as good or better despite seeing more pressure than the other guys.

The list is very long. Besides Luck and RG III, you can add Weeden, Mallett, Foles, Osweler, etc. (basically most QBs from the PAC 10 and Big 12) and some from other conferences as well.

Obviously, nobody knows whether he can sustain the beating or not; otherwise, everything indicates that he can play.
 

powda

The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Step back and look at the thread objectively. Look at the board objectively. By and large people are not happy with the play of Matt Schaub. Now this doesn't mean a damn thing as far as the Texans are concerned because they've committed to Schaub financially and they're not about to listen to what a bunch of grumpy fans have to say anyway, nor should they.

We're going to kick this stuff around until they get back into camp and when that happens and the preseason games start up, well that's when every mistake Matt makes will start an argument and every positive play Yates or Keenum makes will light a fire. There's no competition in 2013 for the starting QB position. That's a fact. If Schaub falters though that won't make a lot of difference to the people paying for the tickets if they think a better option is sitting on the bench.
I distinctly remember so many arguments about Carr before Capers got the boot...

Look ahead there in the water, is that an iceberg?
 

Rey

Guest
Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.
I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.
I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.
 

Rey

Guest
If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.
I didn't see the Florida game, but Manuel does not look like anything special to me. He looks like a more mobile, way less refined Matt schaub.
 

Rey

Guest
I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.
I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.
I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.

It's sad to say that Keenum can diagnose potential blitzes and coverage switches faster and better than Schaub in his first few years here (and even right now.)

I don't think I've ever seen Keenum got sacked by a free blitzer.

And I'm not sure I remember an instance when Schaub took advantage of a free play on a defensive offside (I maybe wrong here but does anybody remember?)

On the other hand, it was pretty much automatic with Keenum, and mostly, he would take a shot deep on those free plays. And he did these things from early on in his career, too!
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
Sir... You need to excuse your Kansas ass (IIRC) from this Texas conversation......


:thinking:


On the other hand....... NO YOU DON'T!!!!!
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.
Actually John, I disagree with this. I think Schuab actually is pretty "football smart"... In fact, Seth Payne tweeted something earlier today about Schaub being quite football-smart, but hampered by Kube's overbearing system.
 

Texcore

Hardcore Texan
I don't think the QB we NEED to take us to the promise land under Kubes is on this roster. I seriously don't. But I'd rather go with Yates or Keenum over Shaub since we know he is not the answer.
 

Norg

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
sadly Kubes is bassicaly our QB and he uses

Schaub
Yates
and
Keenum

has his robtic arm and if aint broke dont change it in Kubes eyes 12 wins and a PLayoff wins aint broke so i expect Schaub to be our QB next year with a shorter leash on thats about it
 

MEGA SWATT

All Pro
Some sources say he's 6', others 6'1" and others 6'2". That's in the Drew Brees to Joe Montana/Steve Young range......:ant:

I'm intrigued by a mobile qb, with a strong/accurate arm.
 

ajohnson80

Waterboy
Perhaps, but its still against Rice...

And it doesn't tell how well he will do in the NFL. Impress me in the NFL I say.
Alot of guys played against Rice, but they didn't have 9 tds. Kurt Warner lit up arena league playing against what you guys would call scrubs and that translated. just sayin
 

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
The main criticisms of Keenum by scouts were commonly related to the unknown factors. He never did a three or five step drop. He didn't play under center. He played in a spread offense. He was a system QB.

To me, those reasons aren't good enough to dismiss his upside. His accuracy at least qualifies him for a shot as a backup.

Another reason he went undrafted is because his throwing performance at the combine was affected by a hamstring pull.

For the 24-year-old, Monday was about showcasing his true abilities after being hampered by a hamstring injury at the NFL scouting combine in February. The Abilene native revealed that he strained his right hamstring running his second 40-yard dash at the combine and that it affected his throwing during drills. On Monday, there were no ill effects from the injury, as Keenum whizzed pass after pass to receivers on a variety of patterns, showed capable arm strength and displayed his athleticism with a 4.31-second time in the 20-yard shuttle and 6.89 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also put up a solid 18 repetitions on the bench press. "It was very important for me to show these guys that (at the combine), that was not me," Keenum said. "I have very high standards for myself and I believe in my abilities tremendously and I think I wasn't at my best. I wanted to go out there and compete. That's what I do."
Link.

And he fully intends to be a starter in the league:

"I'm blessed to be where I'm at, obviously," he said. "But content? No. I won't be content to be a backup. I won't be content just being a starter. I won't be content with just playing. I want to be a big part of the team, and I want to contribute and win games and win championships."
Link (to a good article).
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.
:spit:

msr
 

Texn4life

All Pro
I definitely am curious how he develops from year 1 to 2. I have no confidence in Yates whatsoever to develop into a top 10 starter in the league. I'm a huge Tyler Wilson fan though and would love to draft him.
 
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