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Call me a conspiracist, but refs will NOT be in favor of us next week. NFL wants

AndyWin

Nguyenning
NFL wants Brady vs. Manning

We're gonna have a hard time getting any calls if this game is close in crunchtime. On the flipside, I can see a lot of ticky tack defensive holding and PI calls on us should this be close in the 4th.

I hope I'm wrong, but let's face it... Brady vs. Manning would make for MUCH better ratings and storylines than us.
 
the only reason the refs give 50/50 decisions to the pats is because they're playing at home.
Home teams always get the advantage of the refs no matter what sport, from NFL to AFL to Hockey to Basketball and Soccer.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
the only reason the refs give 50/50 decisions to the pats is because they're playing at home.
Home teams always get the advantage of the refs no matter what sport, from NFL to AFL to Hockey to Basketball and Soccer.
I don't know. Sometimes it seems we don't get the home cooking.
 

klockWork

Rookie
I don't believe the refs have any agenda to call the game in favor of NE. Please stop investing in a nonsense beliefs like that. The only reason Texans seems like they getting the short end of the sticks sometimes is their agrressive and undisciplined style of plays on defense lately. Their secondary have bad habits for not playing the ball when it's in the air and they grab and pull on nearly every snap. When a team plays Defense like that official will always favor the Offense.
 
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qqert

Rookie
this is what's called "maximizing profits."

6. TV Ratings are more important than fans in the stadium. NFL officials, according to FBI files are quoted as saying " the NFL will continue to profit, even with empty stadiums. NFL games can even be filmed in studios to make a profit". TV is the lifeblood of any sport. Get on TV and you will survive somehow. If you are not on TV you are dead. TV Networks pay huge sums of money to the NFL for the rights to broadcast these games. Estimates of TV revenue exceed $6 Billion. Television stations make this money back plus a profit by advertising dollars.

This is why ratings are so important. Ratings = $$ because advertisers pay big money to advertise on the program. Marketing 101 tells us that television networks pay for the rights to broadcast NFL games, the NFL sells these games to Big TV as we will call them. The NFL gets paid up front. Now Big TV is in a deep whole. Big TV goes out to advertisers and sells ad spots during the game and any other NFL themed programming. Big TV promises the advertiser that X number of people will tune into the game each week and that those people will in turn by their product. Some Big TV executives even boldly predict as to the conversion rate of the people watching the games. If, for whatever reason, the resulting TV rating isn't what Big TV promised to the advertiser, Big TV has to pay the advertiser a refund.

Knowing this, do you really think Big TV wants to pay refunds? And this is a win-win situation for the league. The league wants more exciting games, Big TV wants their viewers, everyone gets paid. In a 2010 article, ProFootballTalk.com tells of a situation in which ESPN executives were giving play directions to then Titans coach Jeff Fisher and directed on how to conduct the game. Now who is really in control? You can read that article here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/19/chris-johnsons-fantasy-owners-should-thank-espn-jack-del-rio/
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as far as i'm concerned, texans are toast. :cutthroat::cutthroat::cutthroat:
but you know i still get behind them every week, hoping we throw a wrench on GOODELS fixing plans.
 

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
NFL wants Brady vs. Manning

We're gonna have a hard time getting any calls if this game is close in crunchtime. On the flipside, I can see a lot of ticky tack defensive holding and PI calls on us should this be close in the 4th.

I hope I'm wrong, but let's face it... Brady vs. Manning would make for MUCH better ratings and storylines than us.
Yeah and everyone thought it was bad the first time we played them (which it was) but oh lord i cant imagine. They might flag Watt just for looking at brady wrong. Plus i'm sure they will come up with all kinds of new penalties we have never heard of like refs always seem to do for Brady !
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Yeah and everyone thought it was bad the first time we played them (which it was) but oh lord i cant imagine. They might flag Watt just for looking at brady wrong. Plus i'm sure they will come up with all kinds of new penalties we have never heard of like refs always seem to do for Brady !
Then we bust them in the mouth & smack them around the field at least make them our ******* for a couple miserable, cold hours.

The last game in Foxborough was a set-up, Kubiak played conservative, this time around it will be another matter all together :hothboy:
 

klockWork

Rookie
As a Texans fan I'm embarrassed to be part of a forum where so many members are already fishing for excuses on a game that hasn't play yet. I hope the Texans players don't share y'all mindset or we will surely lose this game.
 

qqert

Rookie
i dunno if i was really embarrassed to ne part of a forum id just likely stop signing on and posting?:toropalm:
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
Frankly, I agree with the OP and believe it is an "entertainment" industry. However, "favorites" are also favored in the first place, because they are the better team/players. The refs will make sure we don't just happen to have a good day and beat a Pats team having a bad day. They will make sure of it, unless we just flat out kick butt, and basically beat them too. I don't see it happening.
 

Cerberus

Hall of Fame
NFL wants Brady vs. Manning

We're gonna have a hard time getting any calls if this game is close in crunchtime. On the flipside, I can see a lot of ticky tack defensive holding and PI calls on us should this be close in the 4th.

I hope I'm wrong, but let's face it... Brady vs. Manning would make for MUCH better ratings and storylines than us.
Unfortunately you are correct. The best recent example I can point to that everyone can acknowledge is the now infamous Tuck-Rule game. Where the NFL actually tried to convince football fans that Brady having two hands on the ball tucked to his chest, was in fact a throwing motion. The NFL went into full blown spin-control starting the day after. So yeah, the NFL will ultimately massage a game here and there to get the match-ups they think is best for their fans.



If you think this was actually a good call by the refs, then you don't know football. If you ate up the chit the NFL shoveled with their good-call-bad-rule spin, you are the perfect mindless customer in their eyes.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
Unfortunately you are correct. The best recent example I can point to that everyone can acknowledge is the now infamous Tuck-Rule game. Where the NFL actually tried to convince football fans that Brady having two hands on the ball tucked to his chest, was in fact a throwing motion. The NFL went into full blown spin-control starting the day after. So yeah, the NFL will ultimately massage a game here and there to get the match-ups they think is best for their fans.



If you think this was actually a good call by the refs, then you don't know football. If you ate up the chit the NFL shoveled with their good-call-bad-rule spin, you are the perfect mindless customer in their eyes.
I just watched that for the first time, and I was already convinced.

Think about the blown call that kept the old Luv Ya Blue Oilers out of the SB. Think about the disaster in Buffalo--you don't think the refs might've had something to do with that? Now, think about our 3rd string RB in Detroit this year. Detroit don't win on Thanksgiving day--that's a tradition. A lot of it is left up to the talent on the field, but those refs are having their influence, and it's dictated to them by the commissioner.
 

Pats

Noob
There was a list on yesterdays game showing the Texnas have been penalized more over these late season losses than when they were on the win streak.

I suppose its the Patriots fault that Houston had those penalties vs Indy. Vs Cinci too.
 

Pats

Noob
Unfortunately you are correct. The best recent example I can point to that everyone can acknowledge is the now infamous Tuck-Rule game. Where the NFL actually tried to convince football fans that Brady having two hands on the ball tucked to his chest, was in fact a throwing motion. The NFL went into full blown spin-control starting the day after. So yeah, the NFL will ultimately massage a game here and there to get the match-ups they think is best for their fans.



If you think this was actually a good call by the refs, then you don't know football. If you ate up the chit the NFL shoveled with their good-call-bad-rule spin, you are the perfect mindless customer in their eyes.
Nice try, but the ball was coming forward way more than the call Kubiak challenged and lost yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aM-JxUVYDM
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
There was a list on yesterdays game showing the Texnas have been penalized more over these late season losses than when they were on the win streak.

I suppose its the Patriots fault that Houston had those penalties vs Indy. Vs Cinci too.
I don't think anybody's going that far, and they were playing undisciplined. I will say, though, that a cancer-rideen HC coming back for the last game of the season has to have it's influence, and so does our winless record in Indy, which we shouldn't have ever let get so bad in the first place, but whatever. The fact is, regarding the Pats and us right now, that most NFL fans want to see Tom Brady in the AFC Championship, not Matt freaking Schaub. It's not going to matter if Brady is lighting us up anyway and Schaub doesn't at least bring his A game.
 

Pats

Noob
I don't think anybody's going that far, and they were playing undisciplined. I will say, though, that a cancer-rideen HC coming back for the last game of the season has to have it's influence, and so does our winless record in Indy, which we shouldn't have ever let get so bad in the first place, but whatever. The fact is, regarding the Pats and us right now, that most NFL fans want to see Tom Brady in the AFC Championship, not Matt freaking Schaub. It's not going to matter if Brady is lighting us up anyway and Schaub doesn't at least bring his A game.
Might the Patriots be the better team for once?

Other teams have come to Foxboro and put the beat down on NE. The Ravens in 09 and Jets 10. Last year the Ravens should have won, but Lee Evans didnt have both feet down and dropped the ball.
 

Cerberus

Hall of Fame
Nice try, but the ball was coming forward way more than the call Kubiak challenged and lost yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aM-JxUVYDM
Even Brady knew he fumbled the ball. Just admit it, the NFL handed the Pats that game. The call on the field was fumble, and I certainly didn't see any irrefutable evidence to contrary. In fact, the video and photos show Brady had tucked the ball back to his chest. The NFL's spin, was that the QB had to tuck it to his hip, but as everyone has pointed out, show me one clip where any QB pump fakes and tucks to his hip before throwing.

In Marcus Allen's own words, the Raiders got jobbed.
 

texanhead08

All Pro
You have to make your own breaks, and not expect a gift from the zebras.

I also want to say Kubiak keep that damn red flag in your pocket you have no ****ing clue when to use it.
 

Pats

Noob
They were both fumbles. Houston is not a popular city. Oil refineries; hot, humid weather. Gee, I wonder how they treat Cleveland?

I do know the "Patriots" have had one heck of a decade after the little 911 incident.
It cant be a fumble with the ball coming forward.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
Might the Patriots be the better team for once?

Other teams have come to Foxboro and put the beat down on NE. The Ravens in 09 and Jets 10. Last year the Ravens should have won, but Lee Evans didnt have both feet down and dropped the ball.
Oh, the Patriots might be the best in the NFL, and they have been before (mostly because of Brady). I'm not saying they can't be; I'm saying that often the commish and his refs prefer it that way, even on "any given Sunday," when some likely somewhat lesser team would otherwise happen to have a better day.

It ain't just the Patriots. I'm saying there is a very slowly changing list of 32 teams, top to bottom. Some are favored and some are hated, for whatever reasons. Your name, your QB, a story about a cancer stricken coach, whatever. Right now, I figure Peyton Manning is the NFL's 21st century version of John Elway and will be helped to bring Denver back to the promised land (to bad McNair didn't think of that for Houston). I won't mind at all when you are complaining about the refs home-cooking favoring Manning--we been down that road a few times--but, I won't deny that he's a darn good QB too.
 

Pats

Noob
Even Brady knew he fumbled the ball. Just admit it, the NFL handed the Pats that game. The call on the field was fumble, and I certainly didn't see any irrefutable evidence to contrary. In fact, the video and photos show Brady had tucked the ball back to his chest. The NFL's spin, was that the QB had to tuck it to his hip, but as everyone has pointed out, show me one clip where any QB pump fakes and tucks to his hip before throwing.

In Marcus Allen's own words, the Raiders got jobbed.
The ball was in a forward direction towards the line of scrimmage when it came out. Thats a fumble. Watch the video again.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
It cant be a fumble with the ball coming forward.
Dalton had already lost the ball with all but his finger-tips when decided to pretend he was throwing it. Regarding the tuck-rule play, it's either a fumble, or Brady should be called for intentional grounding for throwing the ball down at his own left hand... :shades:
 

Cerberus

Hall of Fame
The ball was in a forward direction towards the line of scrimmage when it came out. Thats a fumble. Watch the video again.
You go ahead and keep telling yourself it was a fumble, and maybe some day you'll actually believe it too.
 

NitroGSXR

Super Sic #58
Unfortunately you are correct. The best recent example I can point to that everyone can acknowledge is the now infamous Tuck-Rule game. Where the NFL actually tried to convince football fans that Brady having two hands on the ball tucked to his chest, was in fact a throwing motion. The NFL went into full blown spin-control starting the day after. So yeah, the NFL will ultimately massage a game here and there to get the match-ups they think is best for their fans.



If you think this was actually a good call by the refs, then you don't know football. If you ate up the chit the NFL shoveled with their good-call-bad-rule spin, you are the perfect mindless customer in their eyes.
There are rumors that the NFL is going to re-consider the tuck rule after the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/nfl-will-reconsider-the-tuck-rule-this-offseason/
 

bckey

All Pro
I brought this up in another thread last week. I agree that the Brady tuck rule game was one of the abolute worst.

The NFL also wants an AFC chamionship with the Patriots vs. Broncos. Big money and ratings for them. You can bet the calls will be in both teams favor to get them that matchup. Not saying a team can't beat em just that it will be extremely difficult. Whoever goes to New England and whoever goes to Denver will be playing the refs also.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2094182#post2094182
 

Modest

Practice Squad
Even Brady knew he fumbled the ball. Just admit it, the NFL handed the Pats that game. The call on the field was fumble, and I certainly didn't see any irrefutable evidence to contrary. In fact, the video and photos show Brady had tucked the ball back to his chest. The NFL's spin, was that the QB had to tuck it to his hip, but as everyone has pointed out, show me one clip where any QB pump fakes and tucks to his hip before throwing.

In Marcus Allen's own words, the Raiders got jobbed.






1. Fault the rule, not the call. According to the rule, it was called correctly.
2. The same rule was called AGAINST the Patriots that season against the division rival Jets and in turn cost us a win.
3. I am oh so tired of hearing that when that call was made, that the Raiders lost the game by default. Nothing else happened after that call. All that happened was that call.

The fact we were playing in a blizzard is ignored. The fact that the drive after the tuck rule call was only to tie the game so we could go into OT is ignored. The fact that in OT, Brady went a perfect 8 for 8 and Vinetari kicked a game winning FG -IN A BLIZZARD- is ignored.

4. As far as I'm concerned, that call still doesn't make up for how the Patriots were robbed against the Raiders in the 1976 Divisional playoffs. Thats right. These two teams have been involved in another top 10 most controversial calls of all time- and this time the call went the Raiders way- and they in turn went on to win the Superbowl. Watch and learn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jln47i31ps

I did have the original version of this when it made the top 10 series the NFL Network runs occasionally but apparently the NFL copy wright nazis have deleted it.


After that debacle that happened on Thanksgiving with Forsett against the Lions, I'm surprised you're so vocal about a call that happened over a decade ago.



Oh and back on topic- heres to a great injury free game Texans.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
this is what's called "maximizing profits."



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as far as i'm concerned, texans are toast. :cutthroat::cutthroat::cutthroat:
but you know i still get behind them every week, hoping we throw a wrench on GOODELS fixing plans.
The NFL is the sport where television ratings are least influenced by having the right cities and right match ups. Not saying that it does not matter at all, but the NFL gets it ratings.
 

Premier

Rookie
we could have given them brady vs manning next week had we taken care of business..

i hate excuses, youre either good enough to win or youre not..
 

Pats

Noob
Dalton had already lost the ball with all but his finger-tips when decided to pretend he was throwing it. Regarding the tuck-rule play, it's either a fumble, or Brady should be called for intentional grounding for throwing the ball down at his own left hand... :shades:
How do you call intentional grounding when the QBs arm is hit by the defense?

Thats a new one.
 

The Medic01

Waterboy
I dont need to.

I know the rules and that pass was incomplete.
I wouldn't expect a Pats fan to admit it. However everyone but pats fans realize that it was the wrong call. And the refs have been on the Pats side for years now. I a Pats player complains enough he will get the call 90%of the time.
 

Modest

Practice Squad
I wouldn't expect a Pats fan to admit it. However everyone but pats fans realize that it was the wrong call. And the refs have been on the Pats side for years now. I a Pats player complains enough he will get the call 90%of the time.
Yawn. I'm glad all Texans fans aren't like this.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
How do you call intentional grounding when the QBs arm is hit by the defense?

Thats a new one.
You can't throw a ball down after your arm is hit? All these guys have to do is throw the ball anywhere from a half centimeter in front of them to infinity forward if they have lost complete control of it and it's called an incomplete pass. If passes were allowed past the LOS, nobody would ever fumble again; you'd just have forward passes to phantom, "oh, there was s'posed to be a guy there" receivers.

Besides that, in answer to your question, I don't. I call it a fumble, unless the arm was moving forward BEFORE it was hit AND the QB was throwing to a receiver and not at his own left hand.
 

HTown2ATX

TexansMetalhead
This should be the height of comedy ref wise next week. But hey, hopefully the Texans put up a big lead and it won't matter and we get to the finish line.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
This should be the height of comedy ref wise next week. But hey, hopefully the Texans put up a big lead and it won't matter and we get to the finish line.
Far more likely is the Pats put of a big lead fast and the refs don't need to help them.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
Ya know, they do put the refs in stripes, kinda like caught criminals, LOL.
 
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