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I say its all on Schaub's Play and Kubiak's Playcalling

handswarmer

handswarmer

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Both have been sucking it up lately.

Schaub has no experience in the playoffs, he has folded in the primetime games this year and with #1 seed/bye on the line. What confidence does he have? Especially with the right side of theOline?

Kubiak might not be on the hot seat because of the playoffs last year, the Division title this year and the playoffs in 12= but a 1 and done could jeapordize a long tenure.
 
handswarmer said:
Both have been sucking it up lately.

Schaub has no experience in the playoffs, he has folded in the primetime games this year and with #1 seed/bye on the line. What confidence does he have? Especially with the right side of theOline?

Kubiak might not be on the hot seat because of the playoffs last year, the Division title this year and the playoffs in 12= but a 1 and done could jeapordize a long tenure.
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We all can't have elite QBs like Joe Flacco.
 
handswarmer said:
Both have been sucking it up lately.

Schaub has no experience in the playoffs, he has folded in the primetime games this year and with #1 seed/bye on the line. What confidence does he have? Especially with the right side of theOline?

Kubiak might not be on the hot seat because of the playoffs last year, the Division title this year and the playoffs in 12= but a 1 and done could jeapordize a long tenure.
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Right now, I think it's a collective confidence issue. Like others have said, I think it starts at the top.

But I don't have a problem with the play calling. I've got more of a problem with dropped balls (KDub, Arian, OD, Andre, LeStar, Keyshawn, Andre...... everybody but Posey had a first down that they dropped), and poorly thrown balls.
 
I'm no Kubiak apologist as his play calling and stubborness drives me up the wall at times...but...I have a hard time always blaming kubiak. He may be calling the correct pass plays for the defense against us. When schaub throws to a guy in tripple coverage I don't immediately blame kubiak. When schaub throws to a guy 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 14, I don't immediately blame kubiak. When schaub doesn't see or feel the blitz everyone else knows is comming and option to a hot route, I dont immediately blame kubiak.
 
handswarmer said:
I never said that and please stay on point
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Sorry, you don't have a point.
You don't watch the Texans games close enough to have a real clue.
A majority of Texans fans don't have time to rewatch and crucify each play like some of us and they don't see the whole thing, either.
 
Fiddler said:
Right now, I think it's a collective confidence issue. Like others have said, I think it starts at the top.

But I don't have a problem with the play calling. I've got more of a problem with dropped balls (KDub, Arian, OD, Andre, LeStar, Keyshawn, Andre...... everybody but Posey had a first down that they dropped), and poorly thrown balls.
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Posey dropped a ball, too.
It was not going to be a first down, but it would have helped the down and distance.
 
76Texan said:
Sorry, you don't have a point.
You don't watch the Texans games close enough to have a real clue.
A majority of Texans fans don't have time to rewatch and crucify each play like some of us and they don't see the whole thing, either.
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ass/u/me

You have no idea how much time I have. The majority of fans of any team don't have time to watch the game live either- they sit in sports bar running their mouths about everything but the game. Same at the houses where peple have a party every sunday; everything but the game.

I've watched every Texans game this season; the playcalling in the last 4 games is different than it was at the beginning of the season.

The 'point' was about the Texans; the othr guy tried to make it about Flacco.
 
Fiddler said:
Right now, I think it's a collective confidence issue. Like others have said, I think it starts at the top.

But I don't have a problem with the play calling. I've got more of a problem with dropped balls (KDub, Arian, OD, Andre, LeStar, Keyshawn, Andre...... everybody but Posey had a first down that they dropped), and poorly thrown balls.
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I think the pc has changed over the course of the season. Drops are part of the game but you are correct; there have been more and more of them lately.
 
legacy_gt said:
cushings play on field with his fire in the locker room is a huge boost for this team.
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handswarmer said:
ass/u/me

You have no idea how much time I have. The majority of fans of any team don't have time to watch the game live either- they sit in sports bar running their mouths about everything but the game. Same at the houses where peple have a party every sunday; everything but the game.

I've watched every Texans game this season; the playcalling in the last 4 games is different than it was at the beginning of the season.

The 'point' was about the Texans; the othr guy tried to make it about Flacco.
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How is the play calling different as a whole?

The Texans have a different game plan each week, so whatever point you're trying to make is moot anyway.
 
handswarmer said:
Both have been sucking it up lately.

Schaub has no experience in the playoffs, he has folded in the primetime games this year and with #1 seed/bye on the line. What confidence does he have? Especially with the right side of theOline?

Kubiak might not be on the hot seat because of the playoffs last year, the Division title this year and the playoffs in 12= but a 1 and done could jeapordize a long tenure.
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Texans have more problems than the two you mentioned.

Special Teams haven't been so special and the defense has had their problems as well.

To wit:
The Colts took the ball with 9:46 left in the 4th quarter. The Texans defense couldn't get off the field and the Texans offense never saw the ball again as Luck took three kneel downs to run out the clock.

All of those issues coupled with the fact that the Bengals are a better team than the one the Texans saw last year and it could make for a disasterous Saturday........... errrrrrr season.
 
woah its our qb and head coaches fault we're stinking offensively? and here we all thought it was on JJ Watt :kitten:
 
amazing80 said:
woah its our qb and head coaches fault we're stinking offensively? and here we all thought it was on JJ Watt :kitten:
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Or we can say that your name sake (AJ) dropped an easy TD pass and that he had a mis-communication with the QB that caused the INT.

He played a part in the loss, too, ya' know.
 
76Texan said:
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This is how I feel about your post regarding me.....everyone on our team misses plays, but our qb misses the most and its by a lot and our head coach is responsible for everyone lacking focus and blowing assignments, not missing them, BLOWING THEM....This team clearly lost their way and its on the coaches head.....this is where he will earn his pay, get the team focused or lose in round 1.
 
EllisUnit said:
You know times are bad when a ravens fan comes here and knows the issues :kitten:
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Not all of the issues. He failed to mention the "not-so Special Teams", nor the terrible defense of late.... But yeah, other than recognozing 1 of 3 phases of the game....

I guess that's pretty good, given the national media perception of the Texans...
 
Texan_Bill said:
Not all of the issues. He failed to mention the "not-so Special Teams", nor the terrible defense of late.... But yeah, other than recognozing 1 of 3 phases of the game....

I guess that's pretty good, given the national media perception of the Texans...
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HAHA yeah i just meant the main issues, there are plenty more with this team for sure. BUT we return to week 1-8 form and we will be good :)
 
EllisUnit said:
HAHA yeah i just meant the main issues, there are plenty more with this team for sure. BUT we return to week 1-8 form and we will be good :)
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My primary fear is that even if the Texans play like they did to start the season, we still may not stand a chance @Foxboro. The Texans didn't shoot themselves in the foot by losing HFA.... they essentially blew their legs clean off.
 
amazing80 said:
This is how I feel about your post regarding me.....everyone on our team misses plays, but our qb misses the most and its by a lot and our head coach is responsible for everyone lacking focus and blowing assignments, not missing them, BLOWING THEM....This team clearly lost their way and its on the coaches head.....this is where he will earn his pay, get the team focused or lose in round 1.
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But our QB did not miss a lot.
AJ has dropped more passes this year per target than his norm.
He has to be held accountable for his part.

The INT, we can't be sure what's supposed to be going on between the two of them; but we knew the ball left Schaub hand early as in a timing pattern.

Schaub threw one true bad pass the whole game, and that one is on him.

You have to call out the other guys as well, especially the guys who got paid at the top level.

At the end, everything goes back to the HC, but the team is 12-4.
You talk like he had the team unprepared for the whole season and that the team went 0-16.
 
I think my it's on the defense raising the level of play and taking over the game. That will take some pressure off Schaub and allow the offense to run and setup the play action. If Schaub is forced to pass against the Bengal pass rush, the Texans are likely one and done.
 
Lucky said:
I think my it's on the defense raising the level of play and taking over the game. That will take some pressure off Schaub and allow the offense to run and setup the play action. If Schaub is forced to pass against the Bengal pass rush, the Texans are likely one and done.
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I think that is part of the problem also. Earlier in the season they were getting turnovers like like bill clinton gets secretaries. Lately we havent seen any turnovers that gave the offense a short field. Cant always ask the offense to go 80+ yards cause as we have all seen they just cant consitently do it.
 
76Texan said:
But our QB did not miss a lot.
AJ has dropped more passes this year per target than his norm.
He has to be held accountable for his part.

The INT, we can't be sure what's supposed to be going on between the two of them; but we knew the ball left Schaub hand early as in a timing pattern.

Schaub threw one true bad pass the whole game, and that one is on him.

You have to call out the other guys as well, especially the guys who got paid at the top level.

At the end, everything goes back to the HC, but the team is 12-4.
You talk like he had the team unprepared for the whole season and that the team went 0-16.
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LOL the first INT was a clear under throw, don't try to spin that, Schaub just missed

The second one was an over throw, but you could argue Aj got off route, its debatable

Im not here saying AJ is not to be held accountable, but everyone misses assignments, hell we've seen JJ miss tackles in the backfield, but the point is, we don't lose entire games because a few guys miss an assignment, we lose games because our head coach has shown no creativity with his play calls and our qb has lost the small bit of mojo he once had and forgot how to throw the damn ball accurately.

The HC had this team focused but something made them start sucking, thats Garys job to figure out what....I could tell my boss that the money my unit lost this month was nothing because we made some money throughout the season, but I guarantee my boss will be made I just lost 50k regardless of the previous 3 months....thats exactly the case here....we might have a good OVERALL record, but the point remains we underachieved based on previous goals and achievements. You cannot ignore the giant collapse weve encountered regardless what happened previously
 
powda said:
I'm no Kubiak apologist as his play calling and stubborness drives me up the wall at times...but...I have a hard time always blaming kubiak. He may be calling the correct pass plays for the defense against us. When schaub throws to a guy in tripple coverage I don't immediately blame kubiak. When schaub throws to a guy 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 14, I don't immediately blame kubiak. When schaub doesn't see or feel the blitz everyone else knows is comming and option to a hot route, I dont immediately blame kubiak.
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There have been plays to be made .... the guy's on the field , Schaub most notably , just havent gotten the job done.


Look back at the Dolts game and see how many plays were left on the field .... Casey gets behind the entire defense , Schaub underthrows him resulting in an INT. #80 drops a sure TD , at least 9 other plays I saw where Schaub made poor reads , either missing open recievers or throwing into coverage or just plain bad throws.
An offensive line that allowed the Dolts backup defensive linemen to consistently penetrate on rushing plays .... and had several panalties.


Its hard for me to blame the guy calling the plays when the players make so many mistakes .... when these are the same plays they ran earlier in the year and were putting up 30 a game.


Each play is a microcosm .... each player has to do their part and any failure by any one player negatively affects that of all the others , some more magnified than others .... There have been far too many individual failures over the course of the last 6 games.
 
To A80,

I did not spin anything; I said that Schaub made one true bad throw, and that was the INT to Casey.

As far as creativity, did Casey get open on that throw? Yes he did.
Was AJ open on the pass that he dropped?
Yes he was.
Was Posey open on the pass that he dropped?
Yes he was.

How many years have AJ been in the NFL as to avoid a False Start?
Does he know not to move until the receiver in motion stops for a full second;
He moved when Graham had not even stopped yet.

How many yards did we gain?
 
Texan_Bill said:
Not all of the issues. He failed to mention the "not-so Special Teams", nor the terrible defense of late.... But yeah, other than recognozing 1 of 3 phases of the game....

I guess that's pretty good, given the national media perception of the Texans...
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I purposely did NOT mention Special Teams because people would have accused me of 'rubbing Jacoby Jones' in their face or some other crazy crap.

The defense is hurt- it is also an issue but not so much as Schaub is.And the playcalling too.
 
Corrosion said:
There have been plays to be made .... the guy's on the field , Schaub most notably , just havent gotten the job done.


Look back at the Dolts game and see how many plays were left on the field .... Casey gets behind the entire defense , Schaub underthrows him resulting in an INT. #80 drops a sure TD , at least 9 other plays I saw where Schaub made poor reads , either missing open recievers or throwing into coverage or just plain bad throws.
An offensive line that allowed the Dolts backup defensive linemen to consistently penetrate on rushing plays .... and had several panalties.


Its hard for me to blame the guy calling the plays when the players make so many mistakes .... when these are the same plays they ran earlier in the year and were putting up 30 a game.


Each play is a microcosm .... each player has to do their part and any failure by any one player negatively affects that of all the others , some more magnified than others .... There have been far too many individual failures over the course of the last 6 games.
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Yup. Kubiak's offense didn't go from near the top of the league to poo overnight because magically he doesn't know what he's doing suddenly. I'm not giving him a free pass because he's still accountable for identifying the issues and correcting players. Right here, right now i'd love to see him bench a couple of guys and show us all he has the brass balls to make us a winner no matter what.
 
Grungo_Taco said:
hahahahahaah no we don't.
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That's because you never bother with the details so everything looks the same to you.

Come to think of it, Kubiak is successful in making you believe that everything is the same.
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76Texan said:
That's because you never bother with the details so everything looks the same to you.

Come to think of it, Kubiak is successful in making you believe that everything is the same.
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You're the same guy who just inferred Schaub 'throws his receivers open'... It's hard to take you seriously now. :pinned:
 
handswarmer said:
I purposely did NOT mention Special Teams because people would have accused me of 'rubbing Jacoby Jones' in their face or some other crazy crap.

The defense is hurt- it is also an issue but not so much as Schaub is.And the playcalling too.
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Ironically enough, I wouldn't have had a problem with you throwing Jacoby in our face. The fact is, he was drafted to be a #2 receiver as an opposite threat to AJ and after 6 years he didn't "get it".... I wish him all the best, but it was right for the Texans to let him go. He was making way too much money for what he was producing.
 
powda said:
Yup. Kubiak's offense didn't go from near the top of the league to poo overnight because magically he doesn't know what he's doing suddenly. I'm not giving him a free pass because he's still accountable for identifying the issues and correcting players. Right here, right now i'd love to see him bench a couple of guys and show us all he has the brass balls to make us a winner no matter what.
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He pulled Jones in favor of Brooks in the second half against the Dolts. :kitten:
 
Corrosion said:
He pulled Jones in favor of Brooks in the second half against the Dolts. :kitten:
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Kudos. Pull schaub for a drive. If he cant handle that, his psyche wont stand up to a playoff game. Light a fire man.
 
Grungo_Taco said:
You're the same guy who just inferred Schaub 'throws his receivers open'... It's hard to take you seriously now. :pinned:
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You don't need to take me seriously; I like to kid around. :choke:

But seriously, I talked about Schaub throwing guys open in a different thread already.

I also talked about Schaub throwing the back shoulder and forward fade in different threads as well.

I don't just infer; I claimed it.

Now back to game plan, let me present the two Colts games.

1. In the first game, we started out with 2 passes, followed by 4 runs before we mix it up.
In the second game, we did the opposite, starting out with 4 run plays, followed by 6 pass plays before we mix it up.

2. In the first game, we attempted 4 deep passes in the first half, 2 to AJ, 1 to Jean and 1 to Posey.
In the second game, the only deep pass attempted in the first half was the one to Casey.

Can you see the differences?
 
TexansLucky13 said:
The Texans didn't shoot themselves in the foot by losing HFA.... they essentially blew their legs clean off.
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Probably the best thing that could have happened to them. The last 3 Super Bowl Champs did not win a bye, or HFA.

This team needs to play, there's no way around it. They don't need to be sitting on their butts designing letterman jackets or riding segways through the tunnels.

They need to be playing this week.
 
One thing I'll say about Jacoby is that, if he were still with the Texans, he would NOT be having a good year returning anything.
 
76Texan said:
You don't need to take me seriously; I like to kid around. :choke:

But seriously, I talked about Schaub throwing guys open in a different thread already.

I also talked about Schaub throwing the back shoulder and forward fade in different threads as well.

I don't just infer; I claimed it.

Now back to game plan, let me present the two Colts games.

1. In the first game, we started out with 2 passes, followed by 4 runs before we mix it up.
In the second game, we did the opposite, starting out with 4 run plays, followed by 6 pass plays before we mix it up.

2. In the first game, we attempted 4 deep passes in the first half, 2 to AJ, 1 to Jean and 1 to Posey.
In the second game, the only deep pass attempted in the first half was the one to Casey.

Can you see the differences?
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so we run more in the first game and pass more i9n the 2nd, any guess to which one we lost?
 
HJam72 said:
One thing I'll say about Jacoby is that, if he were still with the Texans, he would NOT be having a good year returning anything.
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Aww, c'mon now.

You know Jacoby would be "returning" the ball to the other team, if...
 
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