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Do you have faith in Matt Schaub?

Do you have faith in Matt Schaub?

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Yes or no, simple question.

As a follow up, when did you lose that "faith" ?

I'm just trying to get a feel here. I don't believe the attitude towards Matt is as bad as what is being represented today. But I don't know if a lot of people recently changed their mind, or if all his supporters just don't feel like participating today.

I'll tell you where I'm at. I think Matt is capable. He's shown us, imo, that he can play at the level required to take us where we want to go. I've been puzzled as to why we haven't seen him play at that level recently.

That's the short story. If you want to get into my reasoning I'll be happy to share.
 
Even when given time he still under throws or over throws his guys. And there is that deal where he has time and still freaks out like he is under pressure and folds up like a taco. Maybe the denver hit gave him PTSD or something but it is just sad to watch him at this point.
 
I trust in Schaub.I think he's feeling the pressure of his first playoff game.when our o-line was good, he played well.
 
Faith????
Faith in him as a great human being, NO Doubt a resounding YES
Faith in him being average or above as a QB yes
Faith in him getting us to the SB Not really, too many physical liabilties which I don't see improving as he gets older
 
Goodwrench3 said:
I trust in Schaub.I think he's feeling the pressure of his first playoff game.when our o-line was good, he played well.
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Like in OT against baltimore, or Arizona a few years back, or like the jags game this year in OT and the Lions game this year in OT. The defense has bailed this team out over and over the last 2 years. They don't always give the offense a short field like they were to start the season I'm not so sure we are 12-4.

Our defense started the season as turnover machines, not anymore and we are now seeing that without a short field the offense is average or below at best.
 
I was one of those people clamoring for the Texans to go get Schaub, even before anyone thought it was possible. People just kept telling me it couldn't happen, and I accepted that. So when they got him, I was happy. Thought he was going to be worth the price they paid. We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but I feel pretty wrong.

I started to waver on him two or three years ago - whichever one where the offense scored 7 or fewer points in the first half for most of the season. Lots of other people kept pointing out what a great job he was doing int he second half, putting up a ton of yards, and I just kept noticing he was facing a bunch of soft underneath defense and putting his team in a hole to get to that situation. Since that time, I've noticed specific shortcomings a lot more.

When the man rolls out, has all the time in the world, sets his feet and launches a pass downfield that comes up woefully short of AJ (and this week James Casey), all the prior underthrows over the years, dating back to the very first 70-some yard TD to AJ vs KC, come back to my memory. He doesn't have the arm. He doesn't have mobility. He doesn't have the demeanor to rally his guys. He doesn't have the pre-snap recognition that a QB of his experience should have. And lately, he has really developed a couple tendencies that David Carr developed when he played behind a crappy OL. You can blame the OL if you want, but he folds under pressure.

I have no faith in Matt Schaub. Couple that wirth my complete lack of faith in Kubiak and you can start to understand why I have no faith the Texans will go to the Super Bowl this year. I'm hoping and praying they do. I'm doing all my silly pre-game superstitions. I'm living and dying on every play. But rationally, I have no confidence they'll pull it off. It's the difference between heart and head for me.
 
eriadoc said:
I was one of those people clamoring for the Texans to go get Schaub, even before anyone thought it was possible. People just kept telling me it couldn't happen, and I accepted that. So when they got him, I was happy. Thought he was going to be worth the price they paid. We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but I feel pretty wrong.
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I'm kind of in the same boat. I didn't know a whole lot about Shammy, but I remember going out to those first few open practices.

I was impressed with what I saw.

I don't think I ever overrated him, but I was initially happy with him as a starter but a lot of that had to do with the fact that we were fresh off David Carr. Hell, we were clamoring for Sage to start at the time.

But regarding Schaub, I gave gave him the benefit of the doubt through the first few season...injuries..bad players around him...

But the faults of his were still evident.

Now, I see him as a guy that would make a really good back up QB. But he's not being paid like that, so I just think we are in a tough spot.
 
No, and yesterdays game sealed it. The last few years he has shown that he can't handle big games. I've continued to be a staunch supporter of him, though, and often have taken flak for it at work or with friends. But this 2nd 1/2 of the season has been pathetic, and I think most of it falls on him.

I honestly feel like that was a wake up call for me yesterday. Always admitted that he struggles when we need him the most, but gave him the benefit of the doubt. He has either under thrown or over thrown his receivers all year. He's an above average QB at best.

Though I'd want nothing to do with a player like Romo for Flacco, I can now say that I would take Alex Smith over Schaub in a heartbeat. Same with Rivers. Like others have said, though, we are probably stuck with him for another couple of years, and Yates is NOT the long term answer. Problem I have is that I think the 1st two rounds of the upcoming draft need to be right side of Oline, and bpa between WR and QB.
 
I have no faith in Matt Schaub and the shortcomings of the OL only partially factor into that. There are plenty of QB's in the NFL who don't play behind dominant OL's. We have some kind of ongoing expectation that unless our QB is getting 5 seconds to make up his mind where to throw the ball our OL is somehow a disaster. QB's make plays behind questionable lines all over the league. The good ones make those hungry defenses pay. Schaub almost never does these days.

He chokes and that's not an opinion. It's a fact. His entire history as a starter is littered with one choke after another in big games. Time to find another QB and time for Matt to go backup somebody.

And Scourge is right, it's time to draft linemen because Schaub is not going to have us drafting in the high 20's in 2013 and 2014. Get the linemen now and start hunting for the QB after that. We'll be drafting high enough to get a good one.
 
Hervoyel said:
I have no faith in Matt Schaub and the shortcomings of the OL only partially factor into that. There are plenty of QB's in the NFL who don't play behind dominant OL's. We have some kind of ongoing expectation that unless our QB is getting 5 seconds to make up his mind where to throw the ball our OL is somehow a disaster. QB's make plays behind questionable lines all over the league. The good ones make those hungry defenses pay. Schaub almost never does these days.

He chokes and that's not an opinion. It's a fact. His entire history as a starter is littered with one choke after another in big games. Time to find another QB and time for Matt to go backup somebody.

And Scourge is right, it's time to draft linemen because Schaub is not going to have us drafting in the high 20's in 2013 and 2014. Get the linemen now and start hunting for the QB after that. We'll be drafting high enough to get a good one.
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5 seconds? Exaggerate much? Yeah, thought not. :rolleyes:
 
I've noticed the under throws too and coupled with his lack of mobility and total inability to make a play when the play breaks down makes me question his ability to take this team anywhere.
 
Fiddler said:
Thanks for your candor. Do you think there are more like you?
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I hope so, because my shift in opinion is completely based off what my eyes have seen. All too often, especially at the QB position, stats don't tell the story. His 4700 yard season was fluky and everyone knew it. It's why no one in the national media really gave it much run. The team was playing behind all the time, so they faced some "bend but don't break" defenses in the second half, allowing him to pile up some yards. And they were behind because he was atrocious in the first half. They've always struggled in the red zone, and the best success they've had there was based on Foster, not Schaub.

I didn't lose faith in the guy because he egged my car or something; I just watched every snap the man played for six years now. *shrug*
 
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eriadoc said:
I was one of those people clamoring for the Texans to go get Schaub, even before anyone thought it was possible. People just kept telling me it couldn't happen, and I accepted that. So when they got him, I was happy. Thought he was going to be worth the price they paid. We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but I feel pretty wrong.

I started to waver on him two or three years ago - whichever one where the offense scored 7 or fewer points in the first half for most of the season. Lots of other people kept pointing out what a great job he was doing int he second half, putting up a ton of yards, and I just kept noticing he was facing a bunch of soft underneath defense and putting his team in a hole to get to that situation. Since that time, I've noticed specific shortcomings a lot more.

When the man rolls out, has all the time in the world, sets his feet and launches a pass downfield that comes up woefully short of AJ (and this week James Casey), all the prior underthrows over the years, dating back to the very first 70-some yard TD to AJ vs KC, come back to my memory. He doesn't have the arm. He doesn't have mobility. He doesn't have the demeanor to rally his guys. He doesn't have the pre-snap recognition that a QB of his experience should have. And lately, he has really developed a couple tendencies that David Carr developed when he played behind a crappy OL. You can blame the OL if you want, but he folds under pressure.

I have no faith in Matt Schaub. Couple that wirth my complete lack of faith in Kubiak and you can start to understand why I have no faith the Texans will go to the Super Bowl this year. I'm hoping and praying they do. I'm doing all my silly pre-game superstitions. I'm living and dying on every play. But rationally, I have no confidence they'll pull it off. It's the difference between heart and head for me.
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Bringing Schaub here was a good move. Carr was done and admittedly we now know that we had roughly the equivilent of Schaub in Rosenfels (ok, maybe Sage was a bit more of a risk taker) but we didn't know that at the time. Many people thought they'd seen future potential in Schaub, not just Kubiak. You have to turn that stone over and take a look and we did.

Didn't pan out the way we thought, time to move on.
 
I've always been a Matt Schaub supporter. He's on the team I root for. I support all the players on my team. I've never been a Matt Schaub fan though. I do think Schaub is good enough to win a Superbowl if the team around him (especially oline, defense & special teams) are really dominant. Last year the team fit that description. This year it doesn't. I just don't see Schaub "taking over" a game and winning it by himself. He's more likely to lose a game with a poor throw at the wrong time.

The Texans need a QB that has more. TJ Yates is not as good as Schaub yet he took over games and won them last year. I do believe in Kubiak & his system but...if Kubiak can't see that Schaub is holding this team back then they both need to go.

All that said, I doubt we have any better options for next season. Would any of us be willing to let Schaub go (trade or release) and go with TJ Yates or some other option (Michael Vick, Matt Flynn...)?
 
Good poll. I think I started losing my faith in Schaub probably in the games following this years Bears game. After yesterday I've just about hit rock bottom. It's a combo of his immobility, his less than rocket arm, and his penchant for giving on a play because of the first two.

Also, with the right side of the O line not giving him much protection I will say he's at least not fumbling when he gets crushed by the defense. The line isn't doing well and Schaub is not known as a scrambler or able to consistently extend broken plays or an escape artist. The weakness on the line has really exposed Schaub as someone needing ideal conditions to perform. It's not his fault about the line, but it does expose his limitations and liabilities as an NFL QB.
 
amazing80 said:
Schaub is garbage, Im driving the Yates for qb in 2013 train.....ALL ABOARD
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He's not straight-up garbage and we could in a worse spot with a QB. I feel like the mobility factor between Schaub and Yates is night and day, but Matt's probably the better decision maker still today. I would be interested to know how Yates has developed since last season, so maybe next preseason we get a sneak-peek.
 
Just sad when a rookie QB can look at a defense and call an audible/adjust the play, and we have a vet who cannot or is not allowed to do so. Manning and brady change about half the plays called at the LOS and this is why they can disect you. If Kubes calls a run play and the defense has no DBs in the game then schaub will still run the run play. I know that parts a little over the top but u get my point.
 
eriadoc said:
I was one of those people clamoring for the Texans to go get Schaub, even before anyone thought it was possible. People just kept telling me it couldn't happen, and I accepted that. So when they got him, I was happy. Thought he was going to be worth the price they paid. We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but I feel pretty wrong.

I started to waver on him two or three years ago - whichever one where the offense scored 7 or fewer points in the first half for most of the season. Lots of other people kept pointing out what a great job he was doing int he second half, putting up a ton of yards, and I just kept noticing he was facing a bunch of soft underneath defense and putting his team in a hole to get to that situation. Since that time, I've noticed specific shortcomings a lot more.

When the man rolls out, has all the time in the world, sets his feet and launches a pass downfield that comes up woefully short of AJ (and this week James Casey), all the prior underthrows over the years, dating back to the very first 70-some yard TD to AJ vs KC, come back to my memory. He doesn't have the arm. He doesn't have mobility. He doesn't have the demeanor to rally his guys. He doesn't have the pre-snap recognition that a QB of his experience should have. And lately, he has really developed a couple tendencies that David Carr developed when he played behind a crappy OL. You can blame the OL if you want, but he folds under pressure.

I have no faith in Matt Schaub. Couple that wirth my complete lack of faith in Kubiak and you can start to understand why I have no faith the Texans will go to the Super Bowl this year. I'm hoping and praying they do. I'm doing all my silly pre-game superstitions. I'm living and dying on every play. But rationally, I have no confidence they'll pull it off. It's the difference between heart and head for me.
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Wow. Exceptional post. You just nailed exactly where I currently am right now as well, and you said it better than I ever could have said it. MSR.
 
With the way this team is playing..how can you have faith in anybody except for JJ Watt & probably KJ at best....
 
EllisUnit said:
Just sad when a rookie QB can look at a defense and call an audible/adjust the play, and we have a vet who cannot or is not allowed to do so. Manning and brady change about half the plays called at the LOS and this is why they can disect you. If Kubes calls a run play and the defense has no DBs in the game then schaub will still run the run play. I know that parts a little over the top but u get my point.
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We'll never know if Schaub could do that because he wouldn't dream of doing it. He does what Gary programs him...tells him to do.

If Gary wanted a QB who thought for himself he could have had Peyton Manning.

Enter "Could Not Afford Peyton Guy" in 3.....2.....1.....

But we'll be able to afford giving Matt $30 million guaranteed over the next couple of years with a fraction of the return on that investment with no problems right?
 
I've come full circle on Schaub. I started out hating him and the two picks we gave up for him. Then I changed my mind and thought he was Da Guy. Now I'm back to where I started, distrusting and disliking Schaub.

We're fixing to find out if he's playoff material. Hell, his damn backup has won more playoff games than him.
 
I was never a big Schaub fan to begin with. I thought he was good enough but his success depends heavily on the system. At his age, he is what he is a guy who has made big mistakes in big games throughout his career. And we have to live with that for the next few years.
 
Eriadoc said it best. That closely matches my thoughts so won't elaborate a ton.

I will say though that considering where we were at at the time, and knowing everything that has happened since, I still would make the trade with Atlanta. At the time, we had to have a decent QB, and considering the price tag on competent QB's, I think the 2 #2 picks was a decent trade. I would make it again. Our other options were fairly limited.

However, this season was Schaub's time to prove that the trade would deliver a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Instead, we find it's nothing but a field full of cow manure.
 
Dishman said:
Also, with the right side of the O line not giving him much protection I will say he's at least not fumbling when he gets crushed by the defense. The line isn't doing well and Schaub is not known as a scrambler or able to consistently extend broken plays or an escape artist. The weakness on the line has really exposed Schaub as someone needing ideal conditions to perform. It's not his fault about the line, but it does expose his limitations and liabilities as an NFL QB.
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This pretty much is my reasoning. It was the Jets game that first made me begin to question his ability to handle the load upon himself. It was a game the offense didn't show the efficiency we would expect going against such a hobbled team at that time. But I brushed it under the rug feeling he is just now learning what it meant to be in these situations.

Then came the Packers and my doubts rose. It began to seem just like the post I quoted, that Schaub needed everything in line to be functional out there. If your quarterback needs everything to be running by formula then you are in trouble. He needs to be able to be capable of adapting to the situation. Instead, as more teams stacked against the run and the right side of the line faltered, he faltered. He is a system guy and games are way too unpredictable in today's NFL to expect every single thing to go accordingly.

After the Ravens game it only got worse with inconsistency from the offense. There one week then looking out of sync the next. I began to wonder if he was capable of just dropping back and getting it done. Now folks can say 'Hey, the Jaguars and Lions game.' But look at that statement and those two teams. I would hope even a middle of a pack quarterback can come back on those two. But when the bright lights were on and across the field was a team of equal caliber or better he faltered....heavily.

And then came the Vikings. A good team but I don't think as talented as the Texans yet...we couldn't do anything and at home no yet. That cemented it for me that I was wrong when I toted Schaub as a top ten quarterback. Just look at the post talking of the blocking. We're saying he needs perfect blocking, consistent running game and better targets.

Sure sounds like the guy is needing quite a lot to be effective, doesn't it? Most quarterbacks in the league would be effective with all of that so what actually makes Schaub special? You want someone that when everything isn't perfect he is capable. Can we say Schaub is? At this point we don't have anything to tells us the answer to that question is 'Yes.'

But we can still hope something changes and the ship is righted with him and this offense. At this point hope is all we have so I'll take it, heh.
 
Porky said:
I will say though that considering where we were at at the time, and knowing everything that has happened since, I still would make the trade with Atlanta.
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Agreed. I'm not sorry they did what they did. He was worth a shot. I've just come to the point where I believe we've seen his ceiling and he's not the guy. *shrug*

Not everyone gets to be Tom Brady when they grow up.
 
This season is as good as it's ever going to get with Matt Schaub as our starting QB.

I hope you enjoyed the ride folks. :tiphat:
 
Porky said:
Eriadoc said it best. That closely matches my thoughts so won't elaborate a ton.

I will say though that considering where we were at at the time, and knowing everything that has happened since, I still would make the trade with Atlanta. At the time, we had to have a decent QB, and considering the price tag on competent QB's, I think the 2 #2 picks was a decent trade. I would make it again. Our other options were fairly limited.

However, this season was Schaub's time to prove that the trade would deliver a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Instead, we find it's nothing but a field full of cow manure.
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That's a tough one. Knowing where we are now I would not have made that trade. I think it was a good trade if you take into consideration what we knew then and what we had to work with but if you know there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow then no, you don't go that route.

Nobody out there that you like at the end of 2006? You go ahead and start Sage in 2007. There have been many opportunities to get QB's who could play since then.
 
How in the world could anyone vote "Yes"? I haven't read the entire thread, but I don't think even one person has posted in defense of Schaub. Could someone who voted yes please come give your take and your reasons behind still having faith in Schaub?
 
Hervoyel said:
That's a tough one. Knowing where we are now I would not have made that trade. I think it was a good trade if you take into consideration what we knew then and what we had to work with but if you know there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow then no, you don't go that route.

Nobody out there that you like at the end of 2006? You go ahead and start Sage in 2007. There have been many opportunities to get QB's who could play since then.
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Very fair points. Food for thought, but regardless what's done is done. Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
I mentioned my reasoning in the first post.

Fiddler said:
I'll tell you where I'm at. I think Matt is capable. He's shown us, imo, that he can play at the level required to take us where we want to go. I've been puzzled as to why we haven't seen him play at that level recently.
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Say Watt said:
How in the world could anyone vote "Yes"? I haven't read the entire thread, but I don't think even one person has posted in defense of Schaub. Could someone who voted yes please come give your take and your reasons behind still having faith in Schaub?
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Extreme homer?....family member?............kubiak?........other than tha i've got nothing :shrug:
 
Mr teX said:
Extreme homer?....family member?............kubiak?........other than tha i've got nothing :shrug:
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Do I have faith in Schaub being able to take us to the Super Bowl? Yes. Do I have faith Schaub can carry us to the Super Bowl if other aspects of the team is having a down game? No.
 
dream_team said:
Do I have faith in Schaub being able to take us to the Super Bowl? Yes. Do I have faith Schaub can carry us to the Super Bowl if other aspects of the team is having a down game? No.
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That's a totally different question all together b/c of the bolded word....deep down, you know that's not what the OP meant anyway..good for you nonetheless.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's a tough one. Knowing where we are now I would not have made that trade. I think it was a good trade if you take into consideration what we knew then and what we had to work with but if you know there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow then no, you don't go that route.

Nobody out there that you like at the end of 2006? You go ahead and start Sage in 2007. There have been many opportunities to get QB's who could play since then.
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If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure that right after the 2007 draft Kubiak made some comment about not thinking Brady Quinn would be there when we picked. (which would have been 9 before the Schaub switch.)

That makes a lot of sense to me that Gary would have drafted Brady. So looking back now, would anyone prefer Brady over Matt? With the right coaching Brady could have been a "decent" QB. Kubiak was also very interested in Kevin Kolb at the time. Neither may have necessarily ended up as an upgrade, but those were most likely the only three options they considered at the time.

None of those stand out as "what were they thinking?" Then again, had we taken Brady or Kolb we would have those extra draft picks back, and Kolb would've been taken later on, possibly in a trade down scenario.
 
I thought this was a huge point LZ made in his blog:

Matt Schaub has saved his worst football of the year for the end of the season. Right now, he is playing football like the guy at the Let It Ride table in Las Vegas who is playing $5 per hand. You know that guy doesn’t bet enough to win big. He won’t go completely broke because he won’t risk that last $20 bill in his pocket, but you also know that all he’s doing is killing time. He’s not really gambling to win. That’s what Schaub feels like to me right now.
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I dont know about Schaub anymore....I think he has lost his swagger. Some of his passes.....are poorly thrown these days......I dont know if he can win a playoff game.

I know TJ Yates can....he did last year........just saying........
 
MS is weak, scared, and pathetic. He canNOT hit a receiver in stride in long yardage passes. He either overthrows or underthrows forcing the receiver to dive, double-back, or he gift-wraps a pick to the defender. He has a weak arm, he is not mobile, goes down at the slightest amount of contact. He is frustrating AJ and others --you can see it in their body language after MS craps a pass to them.

He is not a leader and I fear that my 5 yr old daughter could do better.

Anyone but MS.

Having said that, I welcome him to prove me wrong.
 
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