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The "Kubiak effect" has kicked in

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Many of us mentioned the small signs throughout the season, but kept quiet about it for the most part since we were winning. Tried to have faith and remain positive, but it can no longer be ignored or denied. The "Kubiak factor" has officially stunk around this team once again. The only difference now is that Kubiak has had a great defense for the majority of the season other then a few games here and there.

This team is playing uninspired once again. But worst of all we've got an entire offense that has fallen apart. Everyone wants to put this all on Schaub which is an easy fix and a easy blame tactic, but Schaub isn't the only part on this team that is struggling. It's the O line, it's the RB's, and it's been the sorry ass WR's all season other then Andre Johnson.


When have we ever seen a team ranked this high all year long lose this much momentum and confidence to lose 3 out of 4 at the end of the season like this when they previously had the best record in the league all year?? THAT"S A COACHING ISSUE.


We saw these problems with Kubiak for years. People tried to act like they all went away when Wade arrived, but they didn't. Kubiak will never be an effective leader. I started a thread a few weeks ago after we got crushed by the Patriots stating that I liked out chances in the playoffs better after a loss like that. I gave Gary the benefit of the doubt and figured that the team would play better. I at least hoped they could do it on their own. Now this team has dropped two out of the last three must win games. It's time for people to realize again that we've got a HC that just doesn't have what it takes.


Not giving up on the season though. Hopefully the players themselves can get it together and motivate themselves.
 
Texecutioner said:
Many of us mentioned the small signs throughout the season, but kept quiet about it for the most part since we were winning. Tried to have faith and remain positive, but it can no longer be ignored or denied. The "Kubiak factor" has officially stunk around this team once again. The only difference now is that Kubiak has had a great defense for the majority of the season other then a few games here and there.

This team is playing uninspired once again. But worst of all we've got an entire offense that has fallen apart. Everyone wants to put this all on Schaub which is an easy fix and a easy blame tactic, but Schaub isn't the only part on this team that is struggling. It's the O line, it's the RB's, and it's been the sorry ass WR's all season other then Andre Johnson.


When have we ever seen a team ranked this high all year long lose this much momentum and confidence to lose 3 out of 4 at the end of the season like this when they previously had the best record in the league all year?? THAT"S A COACHING ISSUE.


We saw these problems with Kubiak for years. People tried to act like they all went away when Wade arrived, but they didn't. Kubiak will never be an effective leader. I started a thread a few weeks ago after we got crushed by the Patriots stating that I liked out chances in the playoffs better after a loss like that. I gave Gary the benefit of the doubt and figured that the team would play better. I at least hoped they could do it on their own. Now this team has dropped two out of the last three must win games. It's time for people to realize again that we've got a HC that just doesn't have what it takes.


Not giving up on the season though. Hopefully the players themselves can get it together and motivate themselves.
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Agree with most but its not like Kubiak has given our young WRs much of a chance with his all the time 2 WR 2 TE formations. Jean and Posey have looked really good. Hell Jean had an easy TD today if not for an over throw by Schaub.

Kubiak can not go out of his confort zone, they only get good playing time when we are down by 2 scores with 7 minutes left when the back ups come in :kitten:
 
Said this in the GD thread...

Folks hoping Kubiak will get fired after a 12-4 season are delusional. Unless, McNair has a Bud Adams side we do not know about. Could not get rid of him after 6-10. Kubiak in this town is like that ugly old Samsonite that has been sitting in your closet the last 30 years. You just can't get rid of it.
 
EllisUnit said:
Agree with most but its not like Kubiak has given our young WRs much of a chance with his all the time 2 WR 2 TE formations. Jean and Posey have looked really good. Hell Jean had an easy TD today if not for an over throw by Schaub.

Kubiak can not go out of his confort zone, they only get good playing time when we are down by 2 scores with 7 minutes left when the back ups come in :kitten:
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Kubiak is the guy that has ignored our #2 WR situation for years. I harped on and on about it all off season. I've been begging this organization to get a decent #2 WR for years now.

I laughed my ass off at folks who went on and on and just "assumed" that Martin and Jean were going to be these studs because of the pre season. I mentioned how JJ did the same and that it was way to early to get excited over some young WR's that had proven nothing.

Either way, this is an offense that has fallen apart. An entire offense on all cylinders. Blaming it all on one player is something only a blind man would do. The offense has no spunk at all. In previous years with teams like this, I've never seen a running team lose all of their abilities to run the ball like the Texans have at this point. Normally teams like that don't just have their running games fall apart like that.
 
Texecutioner said:
Many of us mentioned the small signs throughout the season, but kept quiet about it for the most part since we were winning. Tried to have faith and remain positive, but it can no longer be ignored or denied. The "Kubiak factor" has officially stunk around this team once again. The only difference now is that Kubiak has had a great defense for the majority of the season other then a few games here and there.

This team is playing uninspired once again. But worst of all we've got an entire offense that has fallen apart. Everyone wants to put this all on Schaub which is an easy fix and a easy blame tactic, but Schaub isn't the only part on this team that is struggling. It's the O line, it's the RB's, and it's been the sorry ass WR's all season other then Andre Johnson.


When have we ever seen a team ranked this high all year long lose this much momentum and confidence to lose 3 out of 4 at the end of the season like this when they previously had the best record in the league all year?? THAT"S A COACHING ISSUE.


We saw these problems with Kubiak for years. People tried to act like they all went away when Wade arrived, but they didn't. Kubiak will never be an effective leader. I started a thread a few weeks ago after we got crushed by the Patriots stating that I liked out chances in the playoffs better after a loss like that. I gave Gary the benefit of the doubt and figured that the team would play better. I at least hoped they could do it on their own. Now this team has dropped two out of the last three must win games. It's time for people to realize again that we've got a HC that just doesn't have what it takes.


Not giving up on the season though. Hopefully the players themselves can get it together and motivate themselves.
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I agree about Kubiak. However, if Schaub makes the plays where he had the chance to make them this game we win despite the refs, the OL and whomever else didn't play up to snuff. The QB has to make plays when given the opportunity or more times than not you are going to loose. That's why the QP is considered the most important position on the team.

Kubiak could lead a team to the Super Bowl with a better QB. Schaub will never lead a team to the Super Bowl. There is just no way to put together a team talented enough to carry him that far.

And believe me I'm not a Kubiak guy.
 
There is no Kubiak without Schaub.

There is no Schaub without Kubiak.

They are the same person.

If you cannot see this, then so be it. Both of them, together, are to blame. They have merged into the same person...as if Schaub is actually Kubiak out there on the field.

I don't think Kubiak will ever have a successful QB. Nobody could ever manage to escape Kubiak's death grip on this offense. Guys like Schaub exist to prove that boring QBs can win, too.

Isn't it funny that Kubiak was Elway's backup...and now Elway is in charge of the Broncos and he goes and gets Manning....and which team looks better? Huh?

Tebow wasn't Elway's guy. He trades him. He got VALUE for a worthless QB! Kubiak couldn't get a trade, not even a 7th round pick for an equally bad QB in Carr. Score? Elway 1, Kubiak 0.

Elway gambles on Manning, Kubiak sticks with Schaub. Elway 2, Kubiak 0.

His whole adult life, Kubiak has been looking up at John Elway.

Some guys have "it" in terms of playing QB in the NFL. And apparently some guys have "it" in terms of managing a team in the NFL. Elway holds the distinction of doing both. Kubiak does, as well, but with inverted results.

Such is life.
 
I agree it's gross. Everyone wanted him gone years ago then Wade came. He is ok as an oc, but it is obvious he can't be trusted to make game decisions.
 
GP said:
There is no Kubiak without Schaub.

There is no Schaub without Kubiak.

They are the same person.

If you cannot see this, then so be it. Both of them, together, are to blame. They have merged into the same person...as if Schaub is actually Kubiak out there on the field.

I don't think Kubiak will ever have a successful QB. Nobody could ever manage to escape Kubiak's death grip on this offense. Guys like Schaub exist to prove that boring QBs can win, too.

Isn't it funny that Kubiak was Elway's backup...and now Elway is in charge of the Broncos and he goes and gets Manning....and which team looks better? Huh?

Tebow wasn't Elway's guy. He trades him. He got VALUE for a worthless QB! Kubiak couldn't get a trade, not even a 7th round pick for an equally bad QB in Carr. Score? Elway 1, Kubiak 0.

Elway gambles on Manning, Kubiak sticks with Schaub. Elway 2, Kubiak 0.

His whole adult life, Kubiak has been looking up at John Elway.

Some guys have "it" in terms of playing QB in the NFL. And apparently some guys have "it" in terms of managing a team in the NFL. Elway holds the distinction of doing both. Kubiak does, as well, but with inverted results.

Such is life.
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GP where do you come up with these awesome analogies? Seriously, do you have a football encyclopedia somewhere?
 
Pantherstang84 said:
GP where do you come up with these awesome analogies? Seriously, do you have a football encyclopedia somewhere?
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Not sure if serious...or being sarcasm on me.

I have felt, for a long time now, that Elway and Kubiak are linked in more than just one way. Some guys are winners, some are not.

There is a reason Kubiak never made it as a starter. There is a reason Elway did. I trust that the same reason is what makes Elway a better identifier of talent than Gary.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, find ways to pretend they can.

Manning might only have this season and he tanks next year. But right now, Kubiak looks like he should have scrapped Schaub...let Foster go in favor of Tate and Forsett...and then spent the money on Manning. Even if it meant we still went over the cap and had to sacrifice a devastating loss of a draft pick and stuff.

In hindsight, Elway was clutch and Gary is left holding the clipboard and pretending he, too, is awesome like Johnny.
 
Well, Kubiak's favorite thing to say about him "playing QB" in the NFL is that he was just 'sticking around hoping nobody would figure out he couldn't play'. I think that's an appropriate description of him at head coach now.

Heat's turning up in the kitchen....but what's cookin?
 
To be fair, Elway was a better QB at least partly because he had far superior physical ability, which doesn't in itself make him more knowledgeable about anything.

But, I definitely get your point and I was very concerned about not going pretty hard for Manning. God, I hope he doesn't win another SB. :toropalm:
 
GP said:
Not sure if serious...or being sarcasm on me.

I have felt, for a long time now, that Elway and Kubiak are linked in more than just one way. Some guys are winners, some are not.

There is a reason Kubiak never made it as a starter. There is a reason Elway did. I trust that the same reason is what makes Elway a better identifier of talent than Gary.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, find ways to pretend they can.

Manning might only have this season and he tanks next year. But right now, Kubiak looks like he should have scrapped Schaub...let Foster go in favor of Tate and Forsett...and then spent the money on Manning. Even if it meant we still went over the cap and had to sacrifice a devastating loss of a draft pick and stuff.

In hindsight, Elway was clutch and Gary is left holding the clipboard and pretending he, too, is awesome like Johnny.
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Wasn't being sarcastic and you make an excellent point. The problem with getting Manning was Kubiak would have had to give up the Denny's menu and give the keys to Manning. That is something he will not do because he feels like an offensive genius.
 
Kubiak don't suit up on Sundays.

Our O-Line sucked. Winston and Brisiel wouldn't be the turnstiles our right side has become.

Whatever "magic" Wade had seems to get solved somewhere in the 2nd years of his installing it. And it appears he can't come up with an answer, yet. Seems like taking Watt out of the equation makes us a paper tiger.
 
GP said:
There is no Kubiak without Schaub.

There is no Schaub without Kubiak.

They are the same person.

If you cannot see this, then so be it. Both of them, together, are to blame. They have merged into the same person...as if Schaub is actually Kubiak out there on the field.

I don't think Kubiak will ever have a successful QB. Nobody could ever manage to escape Kubiak's death grip on this offense. Guys like Schaub exist to prove that boring QBs can win, too.

Isn't it funny that Kubiak was Elway's backup...and now Elway is in charge of the Broncos and he goes and gets Manning....and which team looks better? Huh?

Tebow wasn't Elway's guy. He trades him. He got VALUE for a worthless QB! Kubiak couldn't get a trade, not even a 7th round pick for an equally bad QB in Carr. Score? Elway 1, Kubiak 0.

Elway gambles on Manning, Kubiak sticks with Schaub. Elway 2, Kubiak 0.

His whole adult life, Kubiak has been looking up at John Elway.

Some guys have "it" in terms of playing QB in the NFL. And apparently some guys have "it" in terms of managing a team in the NFL. Elway holds the distinction of doing both. Kubiak does, as well, but with inverted results.

Such is life.
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DOn't want to focus on Schaub much in this thread if you don't mind GP. I acknowledge that Schaub is playing pretty bad right now, but he is only one part of the problem on an "entire offense." I'm amazed at how Kubiak is escaping this criticism right now and Schaub's getting it all. The running game is stinking, Duane Brown is getting owned, Foster has been beaten to a pulp all season with good back ups at our disposal as well. Have you ever seen an entire offense that was "3rd in scoring" just two weeks ago completely crumble like this??? I repeat we were "THIRD!!!" "3rd!!!!" "THIRD!!"


How do you go from being 3rd in scoring all season long to being a team that can't pass, can't run, can't block, and worst of all "CAN'T WIN!!"

That's a coaching problem.
 
Kubiak caught it from Capers, and there is no cure. :(

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At what point do people acknowledge that when a team who was 3rd in scoring and 2nd in scoring for most of the year has a huge coaching problem when it all falls apart by the end of the season? At what point do people remember who our HC is that kept us out of the playoffs prior to Wade?? The end of this season is just a huge reminder of what Kubes has always been.
 
GP said:
Not sure if serious...or being sarcasm on me.

I have felt, for a long time now, that Elway and Kubiak are linked in more than just one way. Some guys are winners, some are not.
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Only thing.... by comparing Kubiak to Elway, you're admitting that Kubiak is & has been more than "just" a head coach here. As such, he deserves more credit for what has gone right here in Houston (and more blame for what has gone wrong).
 
Well you can add the sudden lack of discipline with all the penalties.

Trying to keep the thread on the point the OP is making I have to agree that it seems like the team has taken on Kubiak's personality. I don't see enough fire and passion at critical points in critical games. Just a more reserved approach by the team in general but mainly the offense. I see absolutely nothing but a flatness to their game that reminds me of the personality of their head coach.

Will there be a change? Highly unlikely. McNair isn't that type of gambler and is a fan of Kubiak but when you look at how flat and out of sync this team is you have to see the issue with the coaching. Not to mention he is part of Rick Smith's decisions and the idea of at least not trying to work something out with Winston was a poor one. I understand Brisel was horribly overpaid by the Raiders but Winston we didn't even attempt a restructure or anything. We were just certain Newton or Butler could man it...

Another coaching decision is sticking with Walter for so darn long. He is not a #2. Period. Everyone knew this but we kept with these paltry receivers (not named Dre) for years and waited on Jacoby for a while too. Another is the idea of Casey playing fullback instead of just letting him play tight end so we could get a real fullback. So we had a makeshift fullback with a makeshift right side offensive line and expected something from that? I like Casey but I like him for receiving skills. Not lead blocking.

One thing that maybe....MAYBE....will be possible is a new offensive coordinator where Kubiak finally relents playcalling. I doubt it seriously as he is stubborn but it has been said by many position coaches who become head coaches that it is best if they allow their coaches to coach and they just worry about being a head coach. We seriously need something different from the offense and Kubiak will not change his ways. Heck, I don't even know if Dennison is capable of calling plays since he gets no opportunity. Only little Shanny got the chance here.
 
deucetx said:
Well you can add the sudden lack of discipline with all the penalties.

Trying to keep the thread on the point the OP is making I have to agree that it seems like the team has taken on Kubiak's personality. I don't see enough fire and passion at critical points in critical games. Just a more reserved approach by the team in general but mainly the offense. I see absolutely nothing but a flatness to their game that reminds me of the personality of their head coach.

Will there be a change? Highly unlikely. McNair isn't that type of gambler and is a fan of Kubiak but when you look at how flat and out of sync this team is you have to see the issue with the coaching. Not to mention he is part of Rick Smith's decisions and the idea of at least not trying to work something out with Winston was a poor one. I understand Brisel was horribly overpaid by the Raiders but Winston we didn't even attempt a restructure or anything. We were just certain Newton or Butler could man it...

Another coaching decision is sticking with Walter for so darn long. He is not a #2. Period. Everyone knew this but we kept with these paltry receivers (not named Dre) for years and waited on Jacoby for a while too. Another is the idea of Casey playing fullback instead of just letting him play tight end so we could get a real fullback. So we had a makeshift fullback with a makeshift right side offensive line and expected something from that? I like Casey but I like him for receiving skills. Not lead blocking.

One thing that maybe....MAYBE....will be possible is a new offensive coordinator where Kubiak finally relents playcalling. I doubt it seriously as he is stubborn but it has been said by many position coaches who become head coaches that it is best if they allow their coaches to coach and they just worry about being a head coach. We seriously need something different from the offense and Kubiak will not change his ways. Heck, I don't even know if Dennison is capable of calling plays since he gets no opportunity. Only little Shanny got the chance here.
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I miss that dude.
 
Texecutioner said:
DOn't want to focus on Schaub much in this thread if you don't mind GP. I acknowledge that Schaub is playing pretty bad right now, but he is only one part of the problem on an "entire offense." I'm amazed at how Kubiak is escaping this criticism right now and Schaub's getting it all. The running game is stinking, Duane Brown is getting owned, Foster has been beaten to a pulp all season with good back ups at our disposal as well. Have you ever seen an entire offense that was "3rd in scoring" just two weeks ago completely crumble like this??? I repeat we were "THIRD!!!" "3rd!!!!" "THIRD!!"


How do you go from being 3rd in scoring all season long to being a team that can't pass, can't run, can't block, and worst of all "CAN'T WIN!!"

That's a coaching problem.
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Not to defend Kubiak, but I've been saying for years, we need to back off a little bit on these defensively strong drafts & FA acquisitions.

Kubiak was 3rd in scoring with a talent starved offense.... we don't have the pedigree on the defensive side of the ball like we have on the defense. Kubiak needs a couple of blue chips on his side of the ball. I love Arian, best back in the league..... I'd like to say that every now & then. But we need players from winning programs, the best of the best on the offensive side of the ball. We need guys who know how to step it up. Guys who expect to win & understand they have to get it done.

Do we need first rounders at every position? No. I'm not saying that at all. But we need to improve the "pedigree" on offense.
 
GP said:
There is no Kubiak without Schaub.

There is no Schaub without Kubiak.

They are the same person.

If you cannot see this, then so be it. Both of them, together, are to blame. They have merged into the same person...as if Schaub is actually Kubiak out there on the field.

I don't think Kubiak will ever have a successful QB. Nobody could ever manage to escape Kubiak's death grip on this offense. Guys like Schaub exist to prove that boring QBs can win, too.

Isn't it funny that Kubiak was Elway's backup...and now Elway is in charge of the Broncos and he goes and gets Manning....and which team looks better? Huh?

Tebow wasn't Elway's guy. He trades him. He got VALUE for a worthless QB! Kubiak couldn't get a trade, not even a 7th round pick for an equally bad QB in Carr. Score? Elway 1, Kubiak 0.

Elway gambles on Manning, Kubiak sticks with Schaub. Elway 2, Kubiak 0.

His whole adult life, Kubiak has been looking up at John Elway.

Some guys have "it" in terms of playing QB in the NFL. And apparently some guys have "it" in terms of managing a team in the NFL. Elway holds the distinction of doing both. Kubiak does, as well, but with inverted results.

Such is life.
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Rick Smith is in charge of trades, not Kubiak.
 
Texecutioner said:
At what point do people acknowledge that when a team who was 3rd in scoring and 2nd in scoring for most of the year has a huge coaching problem when it all falls apart by the end of the season? At what point do people remember who our HC is that kept us out of the playoffs prior to Wade?? The end of this season is just a huge reminder of what Kubes has always been.
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because it's easier to just blame schaub.....duh.
 
deucetx said:
Well you can add the sudden lack of discipline with all the penalties.

Trying to keep the thread on the point the OP is making I have to agree that it seems like the team has taken on Kubiak's personality. I don't see enough fire and passion at critical points in critical games. Just a more reserved approach by the team in general but mainly the offense. I see absolutely nothing but a flatness to their game that reminds me of the personality of their head coach.

Will there be a change? Highly unlikely. McNair isn't that type of gambler and is a fan of Kubiak but when you look at how flat and out of sync this team is you have to see the issue with the coaching. Not to mention he is part of Rick Smith's decisions and the idea of at least not trying to work something out with Winston was a poor one. I understand Brisel was horribly overpaid by the Raiders but Winston we didn't even attempt a restructure or anything. We were just certain Newton or Butler could man it...

Another coaching decision is sticking with Walter for so darn long. He is not a #2. Period. Everyone knew this but we kept with these paltry receivers (not named Dre) for years and waited on Jacoby for a while too. Another is the idea of Casey playing fullback instead of just letting him play tight end so we could get a real fullback. So we had a makeshift fullback with a makeshift right side offensive line and expected something from that? I like Casey but I like him for receiving skills. Not lead blocking.

One thing that maybe....MAYBE....will be possible is a new offensive coordinator where Kubiak finally relents playcalling. I doubt it seriously as he is stubborn but it has been said by many position coaches who become head coaches that it is best if they allow their coaches to coach and they just worry about being a head coach. We seriously need something different from the offense and Kubiak will not change his ways. Heck, I don't even know if Dennison is capable of calling plays since he gets no opportunity. Only little Shanny got the chance here.
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Finally someone who gets the nuts and bolts of what I'm illustrating.


Again, people don't seem to acknowledge that all season long we've been one of the highest scoring offenses all season. These last 4 weeks have been such a rapid decline all across the board. Just a total explosion of problems. People seem to be rather blind to put it all on Schaub if you ask me. Schaub has had his problems, but how do you explain an entire offense falling flat like this?? That goes on the OC which is Kubiak when you consider everything. And we've seen this happen before.
 
GP said:
There is no Kubiak without Schaub.

There is no Schaub without Kubiak.

They are the same person.

If you cannot see this, then so be it. Both of them, together, are to blame. They have merged into the same person...as if Schaub is actually Kubiak out there on the field.

I don't think Kubiak will ever have a successful QB. Nobody could ever manage to escape Kubiak's death grip on this offense. Guys like Schaub exist to prove that boring QBs can win, too.

Isn't it funny that Kubiak was Elway's backup...and now Elway is in charge of the Broncos and he goes and gets Manning....and which team looks better? Huh?

Tebow wasn't Elway's guy. He trades him. He got VALUE for a worthless QB! Kubiak couldn't get a trade, not even a 7th round pick for an equally bad QB in Carr. Score? Elway 1, Kubiak 0.

Elway gambles on Manning, Kubiak sticks with Schaub. Elway 2, Kubiak 0.

His whole adult life, Kubiak has been looking up at John Elway.

Some guys have "it" in terms of playing QB in the NFL. And apparently some guys have "it" in terms of managing a team in the NFL. Elway holds the distinction of doing both. Kubiak does, as well, but with inverted results.

Such is life.
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good points - change your sig text.
 
So what, realistically, is the answer for us? Kubiak is not going anywhere, and Schaub got an extension a few months ago. So we're stuck with BOTH of them for, at the very least, a couple of years.

So, now what? The earliest I can see a change at QB and/or head coach is 2015.
 
houstonspartan said:
So what, realistically, is the answer for us? Kubiak is not going anywhere, and Schaub got an extension a few months ago. So we're stuck with BOTH of them for, at the very least, a couple of years.

So, now what? The earliest I can see a change at QB and/or head coach is 2015.
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We need to keep drafting well
 
deucetx said:
Well you can add the sudden lack of discipline with all the penalties.

Trying to keep the thread on the point the OP is making I have to agree that it seems like the team has taken on Kubiak's personality. I don't see enough fire and passion at critical points in critical games. Just a more reserved approach by the team in general but mainly the offense. I see absolutely nothing but a flatness to their game that reminds me of the personality of their head coach.

Will there be a change? Highly unlikely. McNair isn't that type of gambler and is a fan of Kubiak but when you look at how flat and out of sync this team is you have to see the issue with the coaching. Not to mention he is part of Rick Smith's decisions and the idea of at least not trying to work something out with Winston was a poor one. I understand Brisel was horribly overpaid by the Raiders but Winston we didn't even attempt a restructure or anything. We were just certain Newton or Butler could man it...

Another coaching decision is sticking with Walter for so darn long. He is not a #2. Period. Everyone knew this but we kept with these paltry receivers (not named Dre) for years and waited on Jacoby for a while too. Another is the idea of Casey playing fullback instead of just letting him play tight end so we could get a real fullback. So we had a makeshift fullback with a makeshift right side offensive line and expected something from that? I like Casey but I like him for receiving skills. Not lead blocking.

One thing that maybe....MAYBE....will be possible is a new offensive coordinator where Kubiak finally relents playcalling. I doubt it seriously as he is stubborn but it has been said by many position coaches who become head coaches that it is best if they allow their coaches to coach and they just worry about being a head coach. We seriously need something different from the offense and Kubiak will not change his ways. Heck, I don't even know if Dennison is capable of calling plays since he gets no opportunity. Only little Shanny got the chance here.
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A new coordinator? Kubiak's on, what, like his 4th or 5th offensive coordinator already? And even if he DID bring in a new coordinator, he'd hire someone just like him, and now way would he relinquish playcalling.

As I said above, I'm not sure what the answer is, because neither Kubiak nor Schaub are going anywhere any time soon.
 
Texecutioner said:
At what point do people acknowledge that when a team who was 3rd in scoring and 2nd in scoring for most of the year has a huge coaching problem when it all falls apart by the end of the season? At what point do people remember who our HC is that kept us out of the playoffs prior to Wade?? The end of this season is just a huge reminder of what Kubes has always been.
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Its just easier to blame schaub b/ c his play is most easily quantifiable from play to play....people don't really want to address putting players in the best possible situation to make plays b/c its so much easier to just "upgrade" in our trouble areas..or at least people think it is easy anyway.

The whole offense is stinking it up....and i fail to see how schaub's poor play affects the offenses inability to convert a 3rd and 2 on a simple power run play...how schaub's poor play affects the offenses' inability to convert a 2nd and goal power run play last week...
 
Mr teX said:
The whole offense is stinking it up....and i fail to see how schaub's poor play affects the offenses inability to convert a 3rd and 2 on a simple power run play...how schaub's poor play affects the offenses' inability to convert a 2nd and goal last week...
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Fair to a point, but I'd also say that it points to other issues (i.e. coaching). The offense can't convert a 3rd and 2 in large part because their play calling is so predictable. ANY defense in the NFL can stop a play more often than not if they have a pretty good idea what is coming.
 
Mr teX said:
Its just easier to blame schaub b/ c his play is most easily quantifiable from play to play....people don't really want to address putting players in the best possible situation to make plays b/c its so much easier to just "upgrade" in our trouble areas..or at least people think it is easy anyway.

The whole offense is stinking it up....and i fail to see how schaub's poor play affects the offenses inability to convert a 3rd and 2 on a simple power run play...how schaub's poor play affects the offenses' inability to convert a 2nd and goal power run play last week...
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Well for once you and I have been on the same side of this argument. We're losing track in our efforts though Mr. Tex, because this is like Schaub's 4th bad game in a row. I'll still look at the entire season as a whole to judge him by, but fading like this down the stretch speaks a lot.

Overall I just haven't ever seen an offense fall apart like this on all levels. I do blame Kubiak for beating Foster to death all season when Forsett could have played and when Tate was healthy he could have been in more. There was no reason to play Foster that much. The Oline has been getting tossed the last few weeks as well. I realize that Schaub can't be effective when all these other things aren't going right though. He has never been a good enough QB to withstand all of that. It's like people thought he was elite or something so they're expecting these elite results that Schaub can't produce consistently. I just think that we need a better leader for our team in general.

I know Kubes is going nowhere though and neither is Schaub. At best I could hope that we get a lucky pick in the draft and he is good enough to supplant Schaub, but I highly doubt that is possible with a rookie.
 
ziggy29 said:
Fair to a point, but I'd also say that it points to other issues (i.e. coaching). The offense can't convert a 3rd and 2 in large part because their play calling is so predictable. ANY defense in the NFL can stop a play more often than not if they have a pretty good idea what is coming.
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Oh no i agree with you but my point was to show that this is a systemic problemm...its not localized to 1 area, like some here have been saying....its true that we'd likely be a much more capable offense with a more capable qb....but how would that really help with our other offensive woes in the run game......whats more is how/or could that be enough to overcome kubiak's obvious short comings.

Matt ryan/ and mike smith in atl were getting flack for not being able to get over their conservative issues a few years back...they drafted julio jones and have since quieted their critics for the moment...
 
Texecutioner said:
Finally someone who gets the nuts and bolts of what I'm illustrating.


Again, people don't seem to acknowledge that all season long we've been one of the highest scoring offenses all season. These last 4 weeks have been such a rapid decline all across the board. Just a total explosion of problems. People seem to be rather blind to put it all on Schaub if you ask me. Schaub has had his problems, but how do you explain an entire offense falling flat like this?? That goes on the OC which is Kubiak when you consider everything. And we've seen this happen before.
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This is so false and you know it. The offense was scoring because the defense was getting turnovers and giving the offense the ball in great field position. Go and read the earlier threads about the offense struggling. This offense is an offfense that has to stay on schedule with all the componets working. Show me a game when schaub carried the offense. You cant even if you pull the jacksonville and detroit game out of your ass. even then the running game was still in play. Every poor offensive game the texans have had, its because smart teams put the game in matt schaubs hands and he fails. A couple of weeks ago the defense bailed them out vs this same colts team. Look at week 1 vs the pathetic dolphins and a rookie qb. You can try to defer the blame, but schaub was a 3rd pine rider who Kubes and crew thought he would fit because he ran the same offense since college. You know what, they were right because he was an upgrade to Carr. The problem and the blinders are he's a physically limited guy with slow feet. Unless you get another prime andre johnson,a top 5 defense,top 5 ol,and a gates in his prime at te, youre not winning anything with matt schaub.
 
GP said:
There is no Kubiak without Schaub.

There is no Schaub without Kubiak.

They are the same person.

If you cannot see this, then so be it. Both of them, together, are to blame. They have merged into the same person...as if Schaub is actually Kubiak out there on the field.

I don't think Kubiak will ever have a successful QB. Nobody could ever manage to escape Kubiak's death grip on this offense. Guys like Schaub exist to prove that boring QBs can win, too.

Isn't it funny that Kubiak was Elway's backup...and now Elway is in charge of the Broncos and he goes and gets Manning....and which team looks better? Huh?

Tebow wasn't Elway's guy. He trades him. He got VALUE for a worthless QB! Kubiak couldn't get a trade, not even a 7th round pick for an equally bad QB in Carr. Score? Elway 1, Kubiak 0.

Elway gambles on Manning, Kubiak sticks with Schaub. Elway 2, Kubiak 0.

His whole adult life, Kubiak has been looking up at John Elway.

Some guys have "it" in terms of playing QB in the NFL. And apparently some guys have "it" in terms of managing a team in the NFL. Elway holds the distinction of doing both. Kubiak does, as well, but with inverted results.

Such is life.
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This is truth. Kubiak is exactly what he is and more than that he's what I was terrified he'd become. In terms of wins and losses get ready for the second coming of Marvin Lewis. In 10 years of coaching that team they're 78-80 and he's no closer to reaching the summit than he was when he got there. Gary's going to be that same kind of coach. Never great, never terrible, always finding a way to come up short in the end. To make it worse we've got the most patient owner in football and he'll never fire his coach as long as things don't get too bad, as long as Gary doesn't lose the players.

So here we are. No greatness in the mix, just a healthy amount of "good enough" for probably the next decade. Talk about a miserable fan experience. Cincinnati South wasn't what I had in mind when first learned that Houston was going to be back in the NFL game back in 2001/2002.
 
Hervoyel said:
This is truth. Kubiak is exactly what he is and more than that he's what I was terrified he'd become. In terms of wins and losses get ready for the second coming of Marvin Lewis. In 10 years of coaching that team they're 78-80 and he's no closer to reaching the summit than he was when he got there. Gary's going to be that same kind of coach. Never great, never terrible, always finding a way to come up short in the end. To make it worse we've got the most patient owner in football and he'll never fire his coach as long as things don't get too bad, as long as Gary doesn't lose the players.

So here we are. No greatness in the mix, just a healthy amount of "good enough" for probably the next decade. Talk about a miserable fan experience. Cincinnati South wasn't what I had in mind when first learned that Houston was going to be back in the NFL game back in 2001/2002.
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Hey! I've been saying this exact thing for several years now. It's beginning to look more and more like the truth
 
Texecutioner said:
Well for once you and I have been on the same side of this argument. We're losing track in our efforts though Mr. Tex, because this is like Schaub's 4th bad game in a row. I'll still look at the entire season as a whole to judge him by, but fading like this down the stretch speaks a lot.

Overall I just haven't ever seen an offense fall apart like this on all levels. I do blame Kubiak for beating Foster to death all season when Forsett could have played and when Tate was healthy he could have been in more. There was no reason to play Foster that much. The Oline has been getting tossed the last few weeks as well. I realize that Schaub can't be effective when all these other things aren't going right though. He has never been a good enough QB to withstand all of that. It's like people thought he was elite or something so they're expecting these elite results that Schaub can't produce consistently. I just think that we need a better leader for our team in general.

I know Kubes is going nowhere though and neither is Schaub. At best I could hope that we get a lucky pick in the draft and he is good enough to supplant Schaub, but I highly doubt that is possible with a rookie.
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The sad thing is I don't think they (fo/gk) think they need a new QB.
 
Has Kubiak ever "failed to fail" when leading the Texans to the next milestone? Whenever they are on the verge of something new they fall short. It took him a couple of tries to lockup the first "non-losing" record, the first winning record, the first playoff appearance, etc. Is it any surprise that this team couldn't secure home field advantage with a win in either of the final two games of the season?

These are the same Kubiak Texans. Baby steps, incremental improvement, and lack of urgency.
 
Runner said:
Has Kubiak ever "failed to fail" when leading the Texans to the next milestone? Whenever they are on the verge of something new they fall short. It took him a couple of tries to lockup the first "non-losing" record, the first winning record, the first playoff appearance, etc. Is it any surprise that this team couldn't secure home field advantage with a win in either of the final two games of the season?

These are the same Kubiak Texans. Baby steps, incremental improvement, and lack of urgency.
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Here's what I know about Kubiak, knowing that we can't run the football on the right side of the line, he finds it a good idea to relentlessly run the football to the right, especially when we get close to the end zone. It was also a great idea to call a Schaub QB keeper on 3rd and 2 inside your own 20. And then Kubiak calls for a challenge for 12 men on the field.
 
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